That works in video games, but it is still a form of communication. Someone bashes you and makes you feel like crap and you log off, it's not like the feeling goes away. Also a lot of bullying is done on sites where people post all sides of the conversation and that stuff lingers.
It is easy to get depressed just looking at facebook and seeing people bullying you and making you feel bad is not fixed by logging off.
I've seen 13 yo boys cry when I bring up being bullied, it is bad in all forms. Even though logging off is helpful on the internet, it doesn't solve all things.
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I work as an educator in school district. Cyberbullying has become a very big issue on social media. The shaming of females is close to out of control. I can assure you the 59% number on there is most likely a low estimate. I would say at least 80% of the female students in junior high go through some sort of cyberbullying. I've seen it on a regular basis. Perhaps one of the worst situations is by the time we/I find out, its too late because once its posted, the damage has already been done. Its copied and passed along by others. Its often saved and used again at some point. The sad truth is the situation is already way out of control and I truly believe most parents and community members are unaware of how big an issue this truly is.
It can be tough being a kid without a good support system. It doubles when the household has problems. No easy answers. I once worked with an agency that worked with DCFS, it's terrible what some kids have to go through.
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Anyone who lets what some rando on the internet says bother them has more problems than bullies. And dont give me the 'theyre just kids' bullshit. Humans have been around how long? Bullying has existed since more than one human existed.
Heres my one step solution for cyber bullying, turn off your electronic devices.
Agreed. As far as I'm concerned, until kids are in high school they shouldn't even be involved with social media. The hell does an 11 year old need a Facebook or Twitter account for anyway?
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Heres my one step solution for cyber bullying, turn off your electronic devices.
Agreed. As far as I'm concerned, until kids are in high school they shouldn't even be involved with social media. The hell does an 11 year old need a Facebook or Twitter account for anyway?
Nothing, those sites are for "old people." They are far more likely to be on Snapchat or Instagram.
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I will start by quoting Pew Research from their site:
"Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan fact tank that informs the public about the issues, attitudes and trends shaping the world. We conduct public opinion polling, demographic research, content analysis and other data-driven social science research. We do not take policy positions."
They define themselves as a "non-partisan fact-tank" that focuses on arguments based on their idiotic method of polling. Seriously, 59% of American Teens have been "Cyberbullied"? Under what criteria, level of severity, and geographic sample used to attain that data?
We live in a society where any action can be construed as harassment between the same gender, and sexual harassment between opposite gender. How much of this opinion is based on actual legal precedence? How does one take anyone or anything at face value since research groups aren't going to read the billions of exchanges that take place over the course of a week from American Teenagers across Social Media, Texting, Forum-Posting, etc.
While on the topic of that 59%, how many people are bullied each day? That's right....not Cyberbullying, but true bullying? You know, the one defined by the American Justice System and Legal System in which bullying has to have a physical or mental component along with proven intent. Oh, wait a minute. Where is Bullying on the ICD-10/11 or DSM-V?
Seems bullying turns people into victim,
Shall it be classified as a mental attack? or a Physical Attack?
How many of these Teenagers are actually hanging out in areas online, including gaming with respect to their age? Sorry, but if you are 9 years old playing Call of Duty multiplayer, don't start crying if you can't handle the language and get bullied. Truth be told, you have no right to be playing that game.
I do agree,
there is bullying going on online.....
It comes from all the damned game developers that keep releasing half-assed, incomplete games, and turning gaming news into a media circus, and forcing the public into buying the game in installments and shelling out anywhere from $80 - $200 for a completed game, just to overload a game with loot boxes.
That to me is more legitimate for true bullying.
Oh What??? I have to respect anyone whoever they may be even if they aren't old enough to be online? What about all the adults imposed language restrictions or banned from 18+ forums because administrators won't ban the 13 year old who registered and now everyone has to conform all their content and language to that one person.
Sorry, but I can make a whole case for Reverse-Cyberbullying and Reverse-Bullying.
Considering that these statistics can not take into account how bullying began, or the locations or cases in how these issues began, its more far-leftist ideology into punishing anyone who has a difference of thought or opinion by issuing so much fear and intimidation over the coming punishment for being different that the best recourse is to keep your mouth shut and keep it in your mind, while the majority sharing the same opinion can stomp out in tandem and keep talking about how great a world without opposition is, and call it diversity. ^^
I'm honestly surprised at how many people shrug this off. Bullying is one thing, cyberbullying is another. What's going on is a little more complicated than what was dealt with back in the 90s when someone got pushed around, beat up a bit and then you move on. The cyberbullying now is straight stalkerish and insane.
The problem with this is the school systems as well. Usually its the one that gets bullied that receives more consequences than the other. Think about it, most people that experience bullying are the ones that want to be there in school, don't quite fit in with the "in" crowd wherever that is whether its school or online. However if the person getting picked on retaliates in any way they usual get the punishment. So they lose out on where they wanted to be AND had to deal with bullying that will probably continue on. I had more thoughts but work made me forget. Oh well.
You're never going to "eradicate bullying" of any type. Seriously, Ogg likely hit Grogg with a stick over his rock a hundred thousand years ago. The real issue now is this insular cocoon parents are attempting to wall their children off with. This is not to say just let it happen, but blocking all types of negative interactions from your children WILL set them up to fail as adults. The world does not care about your feelings, and you can bet there are adult bullies in the world as well. Having made them woefully unprepared to endure the abuse they might find, they will lose jobs, lose perspective mates, lose out on opportunities. Because their first reaction will be to flee. Some of your children may even end up swallowing the business end of a pistol because of it. Steel is hardened by exposure to fire and being pounded over and over again. Think of your kids like you would a piece of steel you are forging. If you leave the steel unattended in the flame for too long, it will lose structural fidelity and become a useless, broken piece of metal. If you pound and work the steel too much, you can make it brittle and ready to break the first time it's put under pressure. Same thing with your kids. Limit the abuse they take. Talk to them about the dbags EVERYWHERE in the world, not just on the internet. Allow them to attempt to problem solve the issue themselves with you there as backup if needed, but ONLY if needed.
You are not protecting them if you are sheltering them from the cruelty of the real world. You are just setting them up to fail, and that is the BEST case scenario.
You're never going to "eradicate bullying" of any type. Seriously, Ogg likely hit Grogg with a stick over his rock a hundred thousand years ago. The real issue now is this insular cocoon parents are attempting to wall their children off with. This is not to say just let it happen, but blocking all types of negative interactions from your children WILL set them up to fail as adults. The world does not care about your feelings, and you can bet there are adult bullies in the world as well. Having made them woefully unprepared to endure the abuse they might find, they will lose jobs, lose perspective mates, lose out on opportunities. Because their first reaction will be to flee. Some of your children may even end up swallowing the business end of a pistol because of it. Steel is hardened by exposure to fire and being pounded over and over again. Think of your kids like you would a piece of steel you are forging. If you leave the steel unattended in the flame for too long, it will lose structural fidelity and become a useless, broken piece of metal. If you pound and work the steel too much, you can make it brittle and ready to break the first time it's put under pressure. Same thing with your kids. Limit the abuse they take. Talk to them about the dbags EVERYWHERE in the world, not just on the internet. Allow them to attempt to problem solve the issue themselves with you there as backup if needed, but ONLY if needed.
You are not protecting them if you are sheltering them from the cruelty of the real world. You are just setting them up to fail, and that is the BEST case scenario.
The first trick to hardening steel is carbon, no carbon no harden.
The first trick to setting your kids up not to fail is to teach them that you don't get something for nothing.
As someone who put up with this shit for a long time I can speak from experience here. No we dont need a SAFE internet from Bullying. People need to grow thicker skin and tell people to fuck off. You know what? When I started standing up for myself my sophomore year of high school from being picked on my entire life, things got easier because when the guys who were picking on me ended up with a broken nose they backed off. Yes I got my head kicked in more times than I remembered. However even though I lost, the person pushing me around ended up gaining respect from me for standing up for myself.
People need to stop letting other people get to them. We are not 5 years old here. If there is Target harassment get the police involved. If you get upset because some teenagers are running around a video game online saying they are going to PWN fags like they did in that one video you dont belong on the internet. The Internet nor is life a SAFE place. You need to deal with people and stop becoming offended about shit.
You cannot box your way out of a situation where they have pictures of you from the toilet and these are girls from your own school who take these pictures of other girls, then they threaten to expose those photos. This can go on for months while they extort you. You have no idea the magnitude of this problem and how vicious the blackmailers are. Out of shame some girls commit suicide.
Girls now take bullying to a whole new level. They are vicious. They surpassed boys with the advent of the iphone.
I feel bad for my daughter if I was being honest once she hits high school. I shudder to think of some of the conversations I would have never dreamed of having.
Nelson from the simpsons would cower in fear.
I dunno; from my hometown not too long ago, a group of boys held another down and shoved a broomstick up his ass. That's not a joke or exaggeration.
I doubt he could've boxed his way outta that one, either, considering they outnumbered him 5 to 1.
I do agree,
there is bullying going on online.....
It comes from all the damned game developers that keep releasing half-assed, incomplete games, and turning gaming news into a media circus, and forcing the public into buying the game in installments and shelling out anywhere from $80 - $200 for a completed game, just to overload a game with loot boxes.
That to me is more legitimate for true bullying.
Oh What??? I have to respect anyone whoever they may be even if they aren't old enough to be online? What about all the adults imposed language restrictions or banned from 18+ forums because administrators won't ban the 13 year old who registered and now everyone has to conform all their content and language to that one person.
Sorry, but I can make a whole case for Reverse-Cyberbullying and Reverse-Bullying.
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Besides that solution being largely unworkable in an online scenario, I'm sure teaching children to resort to physical violence is a good plan.
Besides being the "crime" of battery which can result in being incarcerated or there is no way to control how far the escalation will go.
Had a young man working for me who admitted when was 15 or so he was being chased by bullies after school on a regular basis.
His solution was to start carrying a .38 to school which fortunately dissuaded further bullying when he drew on his tormentors (off school property of course) and explained the consequences of future harrassment.
Had the bullies not taken the hint the outcome could have been tragic for many.
We don't live in "TV Land" folks, this shit is for real.
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That works in video games, but it is still a form of communication. Someone bashes you and makes you feel like crap and you log off, it's not like the feeling goes away. Also a lot of bullying is done on sites where people post all sides of the conversation and that stuff lingers.
It is easy to get depressed just looking at facebook and seeing people bullying you and making you feel bad is not fixed by logging off.
I've seen 13 yo boys cry when I bring up being bullied, it is bad in all forms. Even though logging off is helpful on the internet, it doesn't solve all things.
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Agreed. As far as I'm concerned, until kids are in high school they shouldn't even be involved with social media. The hell does an 11 year old need a Facebook or Twitter account for anyway?
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
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So much wrong with the article itself.
I will start by quoting Pew Research from their site:
"Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan fact tank that informs the public about the issues, attitudes and trends shaping the world. We conduct public opinion polling, demographic research, content analysis and other data-driven social science research. We do not take policy positions."
They define themselves as a "non-partisan fact-tank" that focuses on arguments based on their idiotic method of polling. Seriously, 59% of American Teens have been "Cyberbullied"? Under what criteria, level of severity, and geographic sample used to attain that data?
We live in a society where any action can be construed as harassment between the same gender, and sexual harassment between opposite gender. How much of this opinion is based on actual legal precedence? How does one take anyone or anything at face value since research groups aren't going to read the billions of exchanges that take place over the course of a week from American Teenagers across Social Media, Texting, Forum-Posting, etc.
While on the topic of that 59%, how many people are bullied each day? That's right....not Cyberbullying, but true bullying? You know, the one defined by the American Justice System and Legal System in which bullying has to have a physical or mental component along with proven intent. Oh, wait a minute. Where is Bullying on the ICD-10/11 or DSM-V?
Seems bullying turns people into victim,
Shall it be classified as a mental attack? or a Physical Attack?
How many of these Teenagers are actually hanging out in areas online, including gaming with respect to their age? Sorry, but if you are 9 years old playing Call of Duty multiplayer, don't start crying if you can't handle the language and get bullied. Truth be told, you have no right to be playing that game.
I do agree,
there is bullying going on online.....
It comes from all the damned game developers that keep releasing half-assed, incomplete games, and turning gaming news into a media circus, and forcing the public into buying the game in installments and shelling out anywhere from $80 - $200 for a completed game, just to overload a game with loot boxes.
That to me is more legitimate for true bullying.
Oh What??? I have to respect anyone whoever they may be even if they aren't old enough to be online? What about all the adults imposed language restrictions or banned from 18+ forums because administrators won't ban the 13 year old who registered and now everyone has to conform all their content and language to that one person.
Sorry, but I can make a whole case for Reverse-Cyberbullying and Reverse-Bullying.
Considering that these statistics can not take into account how bullying began, or the locations or cases in how these issues began, its more far-leftist ideology into punishing anyone who has a difference of thought or opinion by issuing so much fear and intimidation over the coming punishment for being different that the best recourse is to keep your mouth shut and keep it in your mind, while the majority sharing the same opinion can stomp out in tandem and keep talking about how great a world without opposition is, and call it diversity. ^^
The problem with this is the school systems as well. Usually its the one that gets bullied that receives more consequences than the other. Think about it, most people that experience bullying are the ones that want to be there in school, don't quite fit in with the "in" crowd wherever that is whether its school or online. However if the person getting picked on retaliates in any way they usual get the punishment. So they lose out on where they wanted to be AND had to deal with bullying that will probably continue on. I had more thoughts but work made me forget. Oh well.
You are not protecting them if you are sheltering them from the cruelty of the real world. You are just setting them up to fail, and that is the BEST case scenario.
The first trick to setting your kids up not to fail is to teach them that you don't get something for nothing.
No pistol whipping required
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I doubt he could've boxed his way outta that one, either, considering they outnumbered him 5 to 1.
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Besides being the "crime" of battery which can result in being incarcerated or there is no way to control how far the escalation will go.
Had a young man working for me who admitted when was 15 or so he was being chased by bullies after school on a regular basis.
His solution was to start carrying a .38 to school which fortunately dissuaded further bullying when he drew on his tormentors (off school property of course) and explained the consequences of future harrassment.
Had the bullies not taken the hint the outcome could have been tragic for many.
We don't live in "TV Land" folks, this shit is for real.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon