One player to rule the game world??

diRkDiGGl3R · May 2006

Have you guys heard about ArchLord? Where one player will 'rise to become the ArchLord' and with gain control over epic mounts, bodyguards and stuff?

Why hasnt this been done before? has this been done before? Im fairly new to MMO's but as far as I'm aware a system liek this has never been implemented?

paade · May 2006

Its havent been implemented in any MMO because it would be incredibly stupid.

anakinsella · May 2006

Originally posted by paade
Its havent been implemented in any MMO because it would be incredibly stupid.

Not to gang up on OP, but i agree with Paade

When i read about that (the twist behind Archlord) i thought it was the dumbest idea. Just more "the person who has the most time to put into the game gets the most out of the game" bullcrap. Time != skill.

Kurtz13 · May 2006

You become ArchLord by accomplishing a quest line. The latter part of the quest line requires the efforts of an entire guild. And I believe the posession of ArchLord is also passed on through guild battles.

As such, the status of ArchLord will be achieved by a sucessfull guild leader/senior guild member rather than by players who play the most (although the two are often one in the same).

I think it's a phenomenal idea. I'm also quite surprised this is the first time it's being done.

Hotcell · May 2006

Yea it's incredibly frustating for the 99.99999% players of the game. And since the aim of every company is to make profit, you are more likely to lose players this way.... if anyone plays it in the first place.

It would be cool. for one person, but suck for the others.

But I guess if a guild controls them... then it's different story. Not the whole game world..... but something like 50%, second place 30%, third place 20% or something..... but the guild size has to be limited or it would be just zerg rush.

k I'm going offtopic... and I'm not even that good at planning mmo lol..

diRkDiGGl3R · May 2006

why this be a stupid idea? essentially we all play games because WE want to be the best at them, this game gives players that chance, and from what I've read about ArchLord both on here and through other sites is that it cycles every month, so there are always opps for other players to challenge for ArchLord supremecy?

I heard someone describe it as WoW with a great hook! maybe that is a bit extreme, but it does look amazing!

One of my mates works for a distributor of games and he has been to Codemasters offices in the last few days and saw ArchLord for the second time, he's big mmo gamer, esp on WoW and said ArchLord was looking good!

diRkDiGGl3R · May 2006

that's exactly what I heard, it's a guild based thing, so you cant become archlord on your own, you need a guild to help you get there, and it's not the guild leader who becomes Archlord, it's whoever the guild nominates, so if youre a good team member you stand a good chance. i heard you can tax villages and cities and spread this wealth amongst your guild, so there are benefits for guild members as well!

Leasa · May 2006

Originally posted by diRkDiGGl3R

why this be a stupid idea? essentially we all play games because WE want to be the best at them,

Not true. I play games to have fun. If you want to be the best then more power to you. However a lot of us play to enjoy ourselves and not be hung up on who is the best.

NeonShadow · May 2006

Originally posted by diRkDiGGl3R

why this be a stupid idea? essentially we all play games because WE want to be the best at them,

We? Who are we? Atleast I know that I play games to enjoy my self. I've got better stuff to do than worry about being the best in some kind of MMORPG.

Meon · May 2006

the same thing will be implemented in Roma-Victor, although it starts out as the Dev being the boss.

it hasnt been implemented yet because:

1. it would give one person too much power
2. that person could abuse it
3. it ruins "some"other player's fun.
4. it hasnt

Thirdly, we all have an ego meaning that we all want to be the best :P

Neanderthal · May 2006

The idea of becoming the Archlord does absolutely nothing to generate interest for me. Because it's not something you can acheive through your own actions, or even through the actions of a small group. It requires a big guild. I know that I will never lead a big guild in one of these games if for no other reason than the fact that I simply don't have the time to mess around with managing a guild.

So as a "hook" it's meaningless to me. It's just another way to put a feather in the caps of uber guild leaders. So yay, I could join a zerg guild and be one of the loyal peasants busting my hump to install my lord and master as the Archlord so that he can soak up the glory and brag about how great he is...wow, what fun.

So it would be a great incentive for...what? Maybe 20 or 30 people per server? The leaders of the guilds that are big enough to have a shot at it.

No, this idea doesn't interest me in the slightest. Why would it? I know that I would never have a shot at it. No matter how long or how well I played I would never have a shot it because I wouldn't have the required pack of loyal minions doing my bidding to install me as Archlord.

So instead of making me want to play the game it has the opposite effect and makes me NOT want to play the game. I'm sick of these games catering to uber guilds. When did fantasy-adventure turn into herd mentality zerg contests?

DKShadow · May 2006

A discussion about this game has already been going on for a few days now... > Here <

Malchi · May 2006

Originally posted by anakinsella

Originally posted by paade
Its havent been implemented in any MMO because it would be incredibly stupid.

Not to gang up on OP, but i agree with Paade

When i read about that (the twist behind Archlord) i thought it was the dumbest idea. Just more "the person who has the most time to put into the game gets the most out of the game" bullcrap. Time != skill.

Actually you require an entire guild to help you become an archlord. This is not something a solo player can do on his own. Do you guys even read up on the games before you comment? Besides this is an mmorpg, what mmorpg's can you think of that do not benefit the person with the most amount of time? Personally I think it's a great idea to make a game center around an event a guild has to do instead of a solo person.

It actually takes away the advantage of a solo player who has too much free time and places it more so within the hands of multiple players to accomplish it.

The game also has content for the soloist as well as guilds. Seriously guys, learn more info about it. I see negative post pounding on it due to partial facts and not reading half of what the game has to offer. Are you guys gamers or just nit pickers?

Malchi · May 2006

Originally posted by Leasa

Originally posted by diRkDiGGl3R

why this be a stupid idea? essentially we all play games because WE want to be the best at them,

Not true. I play games to have fun. If you want to be the best then more power to you. However a lot of us play to enjoy ourselves and not be hung up on who is the best.

I couldn't agree more. I don't play games to be #1 I play for personal enjoyment. I still have an interest in the game as it has a lot of appealing features including soloist content as well as group content.

While you may need a guild to become Archlord it shouldn't matter to gamers who play games mainly for enjoyment.

Umbrood · May 2006

Originally posted by Malchi
Actually you require an entire guild to help you become an archlord. This is not something a solo player can do on his own. Do you guys even read up on the games before you comment? Besides this is an mmorpg, what mmorpg's can you think of that do not benefit the person with the most amount of time? Personally I think it's a great idea to make a game center around an event a guild has to do instead of a solo person.

The OP did not mention anywere in his thread that we were supposed to go and read all info available on archlords, he stated a question and people are answering it.

It actually takes away the advantage of a solo player who has too much free time and places it more so within the hands of multiple players to accomplish it.

The game also has content for the soloist as well as guilds. Seriously guys, learn more info about it. I see negative post pounding on it due to partial facts and not reading half of what the game has to offer. Are you guys gamers or just nit pickers?

We are forum members at MMORPG.COM, replying to a thread about one single feature about a game, we are not archlords oracles, nor are we, or at least I am not at all interested in the game.

I am however interested in this feature and....

I think it is an awful idea...

SirRoflstomp · May 2006

Originally posted by rentantilus
What if someone becomes the arch lord and then sells his account? You know, without a doubt, that sooner or later there'd be an eBay entry: "Archlord title for sale, bidding starts at $1,000US!" That's assuming you can pass the title like a torch... if the game decides who is archlord purely by game mechanics (high score, etc), then the uber guild (below) will just dominate the game to install whoever they want in the position. If they camp the best spots, hoard all the best items, and beat down any upstart competitor guilds, it would be rather easy to do.

Do you really think Codemasters would let someone sell their account while ArchLord? If they knew of this that player would face some hefty penalties I would imagine, and stripped of their position/powers would be one of them. And the game won't decide who is ArchLord by high score or anything of the sorts. It will require players to complete a line of quests, overtake a castle along with their guild, and gather the five Archons. And once all this is done the players will battle amongst themselves to decide who gets to fight the current ArchLord for his/her position. I think there will be a number of guilds on each server that have a strong grasp on the ArchLord system but with time changes will come and go and guilds will rise and collapse.

Originally posted by rentantilus

What if the archlord, who, let's be honest, will probably end up being some 13-year-old kid in Korea, suddenly loses his internet access or gets grounded by his parents? Is there a grace period? Can you only be away from the game for so long before it chooses another archlord?

What if the archlord ends up being some dumbass with a name like Kilbo_Fraggins*69*? There goes the role-playing atmosphere of the game in one fell swoop. "I am Garius Kile, a lieutenant in the royal army of Voskoff... I serve under the great archlord... <sigh>... Kilbo_Fraggins*69*..."

What if the current archlord lets it slip that he's a homosexual in real life and suddenly a few thousand right-wing republican christian jerks threaten to quit the game if he's not ousted? Would the developers choose to keep the 1,000 religious jerks instead of just a single gay player, even if he's the archlord?

After 21 days the position becomes open for competition. So if someone did poof after becoming ArchLord they'd likely lose their position once someone steps up to the plate.

As for innappropriate names, I would hope Codemasters will try and weed out as many of those as possible. And I think that players who become ArchLord will be a little more intelligent than "Kilbo_Fraggins*69*".

As for that last part... I don't think you're going to see that situation as that's a bit far'fetched, and even if you did, if people don't like it because they're ignorant morons then they can quit and go play something else.

Originally posted by rentantilus

What if some current archlord decides to make a mockery of the game, earning and keeping the position legitimately (as far as the code is concerned) but then just sits on his throne and spouts about how much the game sucks, makes fun of all the players, and is a total ass in general? If the developers step in to unseat him, everyone else is going to think "what's the point of working hard to become the archlord if the devs can just push the button and take it all away from you for any reason they like?"

What if someone gives all the blood, sweat, and tears to become the archlord, then he has to defend the title in a duel, competitive quest, or some other important situation, but his internet connection drops or he hits a local lag spike? Suddenly those months (or years) of work go down the tube because he's on a 56k modem?

What's the point of having a single archlord in the game if people 8 or more timezones away will never meet him or even be online at the same time? See the 13-year-old Korean kid example above. Sorry, but if I can become the archlord by battling the current one, I'm going to be pretty pissed off if he's only online at 4am my time.

Again, the situation in the first paragraph is quite unrealistic. I doubt some gamer is going to spend months playing a game he absolutely hates just so he has the very rare chance to whine and cry about the game as ArchLord. That idea lacks any logic to me so I don't see it happening. And if it did, why wouldn't Codemasters take their powers away? You don't think ArchLord players would want the same?

As for the second situation I can't comment because no one knows exactly how things will end up working in that aspect. But that is a good question and hopefully it never ends up becoming an issue.

I don't think we'll see a 13-year old Korean kid because the servers will be a mix of US/EU and the game is already running in Korea.

Alrighty, I'd respond to the rest but I gotta run. I be late. >_>

~44~

Xpheyel · May 2006

Wow. I guess this thread about being able to t3h k1ng a game was too serious for some pointed levity. Which actually maybe makes the point for me.

Namely that, once in such an absurd position, anyone would be free to assert his will (no matter how silly) on the gameplay of others. It doesn't sound like a clan to me, since membership isn't voluntary. My feeling is that power corrupts, but absolute power is actually pretty awesome.

Plus, I don't get what about running a guild that's good at whatever the game devs demand to become king qualifies a person as sovereign. They might be total assholes. Or morons. Or they might enforce Talk Like a Pirate Day.

b0rderline99 · May 2006

they had race leaders in RFO and are going to have kings in DnL

DKShadow · May 2006

The Race Leaders in RFO can race chat, that's it... nothing that really affects the game world. The kings of DnL can what, claim taxes? I stopped reading up on DnL info a while ago even though Im a Pioneer (pre-ordered the game)..

ArchLord has a few unique things that I cannot wait to check out and now with the beta being close, things are getting excicing

Gameloading · May 2006

So who started the illusion Archlord is only about the Archlord quest? Archlord is just like any other mmorpg (aside it being the first korean MMO that will have a western gaming style) with the Archlord just being one extra part of the game. there are the usual quests, raids, castle sieges, guild politics and much more, the Archlord is just one part of the game. please do some proper research first. you guys might want to read the interviews with Codemasters, so you will learn that the game is FAR from being all about the Archlord. its just a small part of the game.

Hotcell · May 2006

I'm not quiete sure how this will work, but the same idea of ArchLord is actually going to be implemented in Roma Victor.

Of course in that game, Ceasar is the equivilant of ArchLord. I read the forum and apparantly you can overthrow him if you are good enough. The first Caesar will be played by a mod and if a player can assasinate him even with the heavy guards, he can be the next Caesar.

Sorry I dont really have much info... wanted to beta the game but the pre-order sold out ;(

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