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rogue vs lock
destro3979
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wich is a better pvper
wich is a faster lvler
wich is good in raids
i like them both but cant decide...
ask questions if you want
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Not quite anymore. I have 7/8 Nightslayer pieces, Perdition's Blade Mainhand, and Core Hound Tooth offhand, and I just can't beat warlocks. They're the single best soloing class in the game.
Ever been DoT'ed to death from a warlock running away because all your abilities are on cooldown? It's embarassing. Rogues, even now, only win most fights by using all of their cooldown abilities. It's just not practical.
Now I'm not saying rogues are gimped, because they still easily top DPS charts in PvE, but they just aren't as dominant in PvP as they used to be. Infact, I'd go as far as to say they're the current worst PvP class in the game.
I have both a warlock, and a rogue. I'd say go with the warlock. It's a lot more fun. Rogue is a blast as well, but only until you hit level 60.
Ever been DoT'ed to death from a warlock running away because all your abilities are on cooldown? It's embarassing. Rogues, even now, only win most fights by using all of their cooldown abilities. It's just not practical.
Now I'm not saying rogues are gimped, because they still easily top DPS charts in PvE, but they just aren't as dominant in PvP as they used to be. Infact, I'd go as far as to say they're the current worst PvP class in the game.
I have both a warlock, and a rogue. I'd say go with the warlock. It's a lot more fun. Rogue is a blast as well, but only until you hit level 60.
Oh, but ofcourse, by PVP I mean player vs player, and rogue with cooldowns can't be beaten. But rogue is a ninja and ninja that goes in combat without his abbilitys is a stupid ninja that deserves to get pawned.
Rogue rules duels, and even more when he uses his best ability, the element of surprise, so world PVP FTW, but expecting from him somehting more that beeing an assasin and thief is just silly, he is what he is, with litle tactic his the best killer, period.
tbh locks are they way to go there aint that many of them ( i have both class's at 60) in a raid uber uber dps is'nt really the key, it's the skill of the players (mind you dps helps).
in the end you have to decide what you want, but I would suggest a lock
World pvp with the element of surprise, I go with the rogue. As far as BG's , rogue isnt that great. Nor is it very fun in BG's. Im not going to sit here and whine....I got my share of kills.
Here is what you get to look forward to, if you use a rogue:
1) Buying poison regs , Buying blind regs and buying thistle tea ( using these in pvp will cost you a good deal of money depending on how much you pvp)( not using these in pvp will make you not as effective and your survivablity will be hampered)
2) You get to enjoy getting stealth nerfed almost every patch. And by stealth , I do not mean the skill. I mean being nerfed with no note of it in the patch....similar to the sap nerf a couple patches ago. Also certain skills still broken.
3) Have fun avoiding aoe in BG's as even someone breathing on you , could knock you out of stealth. Also enjoy a hunter marking you every BG which is a real pain in the ass. I also found myself spending too much time stelathed trying to attain my target rather than actually fighting. God help you , when your vanish and evasion are on cooldowns. Simply...you are fodder for almost any class that wants to fck you up.Not to mention half of your vanishes will be negated due to having been dot's by your opponent.
4) If you arent decked in epics.....you are simply fcked. Enjoy going up agaisnt a warlock or other clothy decked in full epics with better than normal hp's. You will work them about 75%......then they will pwn you like a noob.
Rogue is still pretty damn good, I prefer him more in pve. I stick to pvp with my paladin and warlock though.
You can't actualy say that rogue sux for something he isn't supposed to be good in. I had some of the best times cruising around and spoting a warrior or mage or a hunter without a trap to stand on, passing by, after making sure he doesent know I'm following him, geting near, stealth and FATALITY, because that's what rogue is, a backstabber and a coward, but no other character can beat him in that game.
Stop looking something that isn't there, decide how you wanna play and make up your mind, I'm not looking for a character that is the strongest, but one that makes me enjoy making him one.
Btw, if you pay to play with strongest char (translation - easy), you suck, period!
hmmm... im thinkin lock now
i am gona be a lock
but what race is best
horde alliance i dont care
...
well i do know everyone usuly freaks out about WoTF
but what does other races got
also i refuse to be a gnome
i eat gnomes i dont play them
As for rogues which I play a level 60. They are not great in PvP but they serve a purpose. However not many raids would dare go with out a rogue infact I just got out of ZG and was kitting 1000+ damage for each backstab and 2000 damage for Evis. So it is clear that we are powerful but if you really want to go PvP go lock and do the owning.
This is the best signature ever. Well, it is really up to you to decide. :x
Ever been DoT'ed to death from a warlock running away because all your abilities are on cooldown? It's embarassing. Rogues, even now, only win most fights by using all of their cooldown abilities. It's just not practical.
Now I'm not saying rogues are gimped, because they still easily top DPS charts in PvE, but they just aren't as dominant in PvP as they used to be. Infact, I'd go as far as to say they're the current worst PvP class in the game.
I have both a warlock, and a rogue. I'd say go with the warlock. It's a lot more fun. Rogue is a blast as well, but only until you hit level 60.
OK... well I am a rogue too. I have full bloodfang, dragonfang blade as mainhand and corehound tooth as offhand. I have all the AQ enchants ..increase stealth, +15 to gloves, and both of my weapons and I got zg enchants too. I am 21, 8, 22 build. Warlock can be a tough fight but the thing is you have to stun lock a warlock in order to win and you'll need all your cooldowns and blinds etc. Use your pvp trinket beacuse the 5 min cooldown to break fears is very important for pvp. People who don't use them are noobs and they just want bigger crits.
To win a duel against a lock with more than 4000hp, first, you sap and unsteath, pet appears - kill pet and resteath. Cheapshot. backstab. gouge. walk away and resteath or vanish and cheapshot again. 5 combo points now so coldblood and eviscerate. Most likely he will deathcoil you at this point because you won't have enough energy to blind. If you do manage to blind him then you can continue to stun lock him. And he is probably at 30-45% of his health. Free stealth from blind - cheaphot. backstab, gouge. preparation. vanish. cheapshot. coldblood and eviscerate. He is pretty much dead now. Let's say you do get deathcoiled. If he is skilled he will cast a fear right after the dealcoil. If he is a noob he will cast shadowbolt or whatever cause he thinks he can 1 hit you with his epic +dmg gear. If he fears you and you don't have WOTF or the pvp trinket you will be dead in a matter of sec. At this point you need to use the PVP trinket and break the fear and sprint to him fast and gouge him. Wait for energy, backstab. Then kidneyshot. Preperation. Blind him. Restealth. Cheapshot. Backstab. gouge. Vanish. Cheapshot. Coldblood and eviscerate. He is dead.
If you do get attacked by a warlock first you need to sprint fast to him and then stunlock him also you need to use kick.
It is true warlock is very good and overpowered imo. The chain fearing is almost unbreakable sometimes. It's like a range stunlock if you know what I mean. Go download some wow movies and you will see some warlocks can take on 3-4 guys by himself. But that is he strikes first of course. There's a warlock called drakedog go watch his movies..he's pretty crazy.
undead for WOTF so you can break fears.
orc for increase pet damage.
human for perception
gnome for intellect and escape immobilizing effect.
I would go undead because you can break fears twice. Also they look cool.
Will of the forsaken - cancel various status effects, including fear
Cannibalism - seriously reduces downtime when grinding humanoid mobs
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Ever been DoT'ed to death from a warlock running away because all your abilities are on cooldown? It's embarassing. Rogues, even now, only win most fights by using all of their cooldown abilities. It's just not practical.
Now I'm not saying rogues are gimped, because they still easily top DPS charts in PvE, but they just aren't as dominant in PvP as they used to be. Infact, I'd go as far as to say they're the current worst PvP class in the game.
I have both a warlock, and a rogue. I'd say go with the warlock. It's a lot more fun. Rogue is a blast as well, but only until you hit level 60.
OK... well I am a rogue too. I have full bloodfang, dragonfang blade as mainhand and corehound tooth as offhand. I have all the AQ enchants ..increase stealth, +15 to gloves, and both of my weapons and I got zg enchants too. I am 21, 8, 22 build. Warlock can be a tough fight but the thing is you have to stun lock a warlock in order to win and you'll need all your cooldowns and blinds etc. Use your pvp trinket beacuse the 5 min cooldown to break fears is very important for pvp. People who don't use them are noobs and they just want bigger crits.
To win a duel against a lock with more than 4000hp, first, you sap and unsteath, pet appears - kill pet and resteath. Cheapshot. backstab. gouge. walk away and resteath or vanish and cheapshot again. 5 combo points now so coldblood and eviscerate. Most likely he will deathcoil you at this point because you won't have enough energy to blind. If you do manage to blind him then you can continue to stun lock him. And he is probably at 30-45% of his health. Free stealth from blind - cheaphot. backstab, gouge. preparation. vanish. cheapshot. coldblood and eviscerate. He is pretty much dead now. Let's say you do get deathcoiled. If he is skilled he will cast a fear right after the dealcoil. If he is a noob he will cast shadowbolt or whatever cause he thinks he can 1 hit you with his epic +dmg gear. If he fears you and you don't have WOTF or the pvp trinket you will be dead in a matter of sec. At this point you need to use the PVP trinket and break the fear and sprint to him fast and gouge him. Wait for energy, backstab. Then kidneyshot. Preperation. Blind him. Restealth. Cheapshot. Backstab. gouge. Vanish. Cheapshot. Coldblood and eviscerate. He is dead.
If you do get attacked by a warlock first you need to sprint fast to him and then stunlock him also you need to use kick.
It is true warlock is very good and overpowered imo. The chain fearing is almost unbreakable sometimes. It's like a range stunlock if you know what I mean. Go download some wow movies and you will see some warlocks can take on 3-4 guys by himself. But that is he strikes first of course. There's a warlock called drakedog go watch his movies..he's pretty crazy.
Allright, thanks for the tip. I'm a 31/8/12 myself. I don't stunlock too often because I'm not specced in it. But, that sounds pretty useful. Thanks a lot my friend
Anyway, each class will have their own strong point.
Rogue can stealth, backstab (higher critical chance than Warlock)
Warlock can summon minion which will be very convenient.
I will choose a warlock than rogue...
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I must admit that I tried every single class in wow. I was about to close my account when I tried the last one remaining, warlock. I wasn't expecting it to be any different than a pet class. Boy, was I surprised, the variety of skills and techiniques u can use to kill your targets is unrivalled.
Even in other game forums when I explain what the fear skill does, they seem to have never seen anything like it.
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Here is my rock paper scissor's theory of the "duel" pvp system.
Warrior > Rogue
Warrior < Mage
Warrior = Paladin
Warrior = Warlock
Warrior < Hunter
Warrior < Druid
Warrior < Shaman
Warrior < Priest
Paladin = Shaman
Paladin < Rogue
Paladin < Mage
Paladin > Priest
Paladin = Hunter
Paladin < Warlock
Paladin = Druid
Hunter > Druid
Hunter < Shaman
Hunter = Warlock
Hunter < Paladin
Hunter = Mage
Hunter < Rogue
Hunter > Priest
Shaman > Priest
Shaman < Mage
Shamen = Druid
Shaman < Rogue
Shaman > Warlock
Priest > Mage
Priest > Druid
Priest < Warlock
Priest < Rogue
Warlock < Rogue
Warlock = Mage
Warlock = Druid
Rogue > Mage
Rogue = Druid
Druid = Mage
To answer you last two questions.
No class is a faster leveler all are well calibrated to have equal leveling speeds.
All are good in raids each has their own attributes.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Naah - warlocks eat mages for breakfast.. Just ask on the mage forums :-)
Perhaps -
Warlock < Beastmaster hunter
Warlock = rogue
Warlock >= feral druid
Warlock > everything else
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