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EVE Online Devs Dish About 'Skills on Demand' & Changes Coming to the Entire System - MMORPG.com

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited February 2019 in News & Features Discussion

imageEVE Online Devs Dish About 'Skills on Demand' & Changes Coming to the Entire System - MMORPG.com

The EVE Online site has been updated with a new dev blog that lays out some big changes coming to the Skill System, particularly with regard to the skill training system to make it simpler and more convenient. Players will still obtain skillpoints through gameplay that are "fed into a specific skill to improve the specialization", but the way core training skills will be obtained will be through "Skills on Demand".

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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    "... to make it simpler and more convenient."

    Et tu, Brute?
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,445

    Amathe said:

    "... to make it simpler and more convenient."



    Et tu, Brute?




    There are three ways you can take a game after it has launched, easy mode, dumbed down or "streamlined".
    Gdemami
  • EinstichEinstich Member UncommonPosts: 4
    In a 16 years old environment you need a mechanic to bring new players up to speed or there wont be any new blood at all. But as always with established systems you have to keep an eye on the existing structures - that's especially true with EVE Online.
    Ozmodan
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited February 2019
    Amathe said:
    "... to make it simpler and more convenient."

    Et tu, Brute?
    ...did you even read the devblog?

    The change is fairly insignificant and I would even argue it won't make skill system any simpler since you will have two sets of skill books that are each obtained in different way.
     
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  • genova2809genova2809 Member UncommonPosts: 47
    Greatest idea ever ! its will change nothing for old & hardcore player & new player wont surrend after 1 month of tryhard to get a mid / great ship for rly enjoy eve :)
    GdemamiOzmodanEponyxDamor
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited February 2019
    Greatest idea ever ! its will change nothing for old & hardcore player & new player wont surrend after 1 month of tryhard to get a mid / great ship for rly enjoy eve :)
    ...read the devblog, please.
    UngoodEponyxDamor
  • mercstermercster Member UncommonPosts: 71

    Gdemami said:



    Greatest idea ever ! its will change nothing for old & hardcore player & new player wont surrend after 1 month of tryhard to get a mid / great ship for rly enjoy eve :)



    ...read the devblog, please.



    I think he's saying it sounds like a good idea, in broken English. In your rush to quash any dissent, you've committed friendly fire!
    GdemamiUngoodOctagon7711
  • KroxMalonKroxMalon Member UncommonPosts: 608

    mercster said:



    Gdemami said:






    Greatest idea ever ! its will change nothing for old & hardcore player & new player wont surrend after 1 month of tryhard to get a mid / great ship for rly enjoy eve :)






    ...read the devblog, please.






    I think he's saying it sounds like a good idea, in broken English. In your rush to quash any dissent, you've committed friendly fire!



    Well said.
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    So theyre messing with (according to many) the best open world 'survival' game ever made.

    PLEX sales must be bottoming out so they needed a new monetization system to get people to buy more apparently.

    But you can tell the times have changed since I havent seen a single 'pay to win' comment here. Either that or no one but the few hundred people (with multiple accounts each) left playing it care about this dinosaur anymore.

    Which is also probably true since by doing this theyre trying to get some 'new blood' into the game.
    GdemamiOzmodan
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,445
    Gdemami said:
    Amathe said:
    "... to make it simpler and more convenient."

    Et tu, Brute?
    ...did you even read the devblog?

    The change is fairly insignificant and I would even argue it won't make skill system any simpler since you will have two sets of skill books that are each obtained in different way.
     
    So they say it will be simply and more convenient, which is easy mode, but you know better? Yes, it might be only a minor change but the change only ever goes in one direction. If you don't agree give us some examples of MMOs announcing changes which make their game harder.
    GdemamiOzmodan
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    rodarin said:
    So theyre messing with (according to many) the best open world 'survival' game ever made.

    PLEX sales must be bottoming out so they needed a new monetization system to get people to buy more apparently.

    But you can tell the times have changed since I havent seen a single 'pay to win' comment here. Either that or no one but the few hundred people (with multiple accounts each) left playing it care about this dinosaur anymore.

    Which is also probably true since by doing this theyre trying to get some 'new blood' into the game.
    ...another one who cannot read.
    Ozmodan
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,445
    Scot said:
    Gdemami said:
    Amathe said:
    "... to make it simpler and more convenient."

    Et tu, Brute?
    ...did you even read the devblog?

    The change is fairly insignificant and I would even argue it won't make skill system any simpler since you will have two sets of skill books that are each obtained in different way.
     
    So they say it will be simply and more convenient, which is easy mode, but you know better? Yes, it might be only a minor change but the change only ever goes in one direction. If you don't agree give us some examples of MMOs announcing changes which make their game harder.
    So you can't then? You do seem to have a record of just making statements which you cannot support and relying on a LoL as an answer. Apart from that your posts seem to consist of telling people they can't read (there seems to be an awful lot of those on here according to you) or some other sort of deflection from actually answering.

    Stick to the Lol's, amazingly you made more sense when you did.
    GdemamiOzmodan
  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Member RarePosts: 3,476
    Ban Haulkagedion and Goonswarm high security ganking and I might come back ? or an PVE server only.
    OzmodanOctagon7711
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  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    Gdemami said:
    rodarin said:
    So theyre messing with (according to many) the best open world 'survival' game ever made.

    PLEX sales must be bottoming out so they needed a new monetization system to get people to buy more apparently.

    But you can tell the times have changed since I havent seen a single 'pay to win' comment here. Either that or no one but the few hundred people (with multiple accounts each) left playing it care about this dinosaur anymore.

    Which is also probably true since by doing this theyre trying to get some 'new blood' into the game.
    ...another one who cannot read.
    I can read just fine. Theyre allowing people to buy certain skills that some of us (when we played) could takes weeks or months to learn depending on the order we learned them and any implants. So people can now have 2 or 3 years worth of 'training' as quickly as they can buy the ISK to buy the skills. Some skills famously or infamously take months in EVE to 'learn'. I think fleet command (which I think would be available as 'on demand') took 90 days with no implants. 55 or 60 if you were fully implanted.
    Gdemami
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    I don't mind letting the younger players having a chance to get up to speed.
    Gdemami
  • H0urg1assH0urg1ass Member EpicPosts: 2,380
    When I first saw the title of this Dev Blog yesterday, I got out my pitchfork, lit my torch and prepared to rant.  After I read the Dev Blog I was like "Ehhh, ok, whatever."  Not really all that consequential of a change for anyone whose been playing more than a year.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    rodarin said:
    I can read just fine.
    ...no, you can't. Read the devblog, ffs.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,065
    edited February 2019
    rodarin said:
    Gdemami said:
    rodarin said:
    So theyre messing with (according to many) the best open world 'survival' game ever made.

    PLEX sales must be bottoming out so they needed a new monetization system to get people to buy more apparently.

    But you can tell the times have changed since I havent seen a single 'pay to win' comment here. Either that or no one but the few hundred people (with multiple accounts each) left playing it care about this dinosaur anymore.

    Which is also probably true since by doing this theyre trying to get some 'new blood' into the game.
    ...another one who cannot read.
    I can read just fine. Theyre allowing people to buy certain skills that some of us (when we played) could takes weeks or months to learn depending on the order we learned them and any implants. So people can now have 2 or 3 years worth of 'training' as quickly as they can buy the ISK to buy the skills. Some skills famously or infamously take months in EVE to 'learn'. I think fleet command (which I think would be available as 'on demand') took 90 days with no implants. 55 or 60 if you were fully implanted.
    Let's see if I can help.

    They are not selling skill points, only the skill books themselves which still have to be trained over time.

    Previously CCP seeded core skill books for a set price at specific NPC stations in all regions of space as far as I recall.

    Now instead of having to fly to one of these seeded stations players will be able to purchase them directly for ISK (same as in a station) but there will be a premium tacked on.

    So a 10M ISK skill book purchased in station may cost 11M if bought through the new interface. (They haven't confirmed the premium rate yet)

    The only people this actually impacts are players who have actually made a living at buying skill books at the seed stations who transport them to other regions and sell for a higher price.

    That same 10M ISK skill book could be resold for a hefty premium in the right location and some players have quite a bit invested in this trade.

    I recall finding one region of space where I thought I saw an opportunity and tried undercutting the going price on several books.  One player reacted quickly, dropping his price to the cellar,  effectively making it not worth my trouble.

    I did a quick search and looking at how many skill books he had seeded around the area I estimated he had near $50B in ISK invested.

    So this move could seriously impact that person as his premiums were pretty hefty and at the very least this move by CCP will impact his high margins.
    GdemamiOctagon7711

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