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So far I haven't found Epic's business practices to be trustworthy. Granted Value is worse in some ways but I already have that on my computer. Epic will have to earn my trust before I consider them.
Considering what the social media sites, amazon, and basically everyone else on the internet does with our information, I am surprised this even bothers people anymore.
Privacy is no longer a thing and the expectation of is a dream in the digital age.
Note: I do not agree with it but is the world in which we live.
You can do much to get your privacy back...just accepting things and saying privacy is a thing of the past is rather unintelligent. to put it mildly.
This is so disappointing, i was really looking forward to getting this game, but if the only options are Epic game store or the Windows 10 game store, then i will never buy it, i won't buy from the Epic store because i don't trust it and with good reason after recent events brought to light some disturbing factors of the game store, and Windows 10 gamestore because i do not have Windows 10 so its inaccessible. If they release it on GOG at least then that would be something, though i would prefer it if it was released on Steam.
Pirate bay *cough cough* I ain't giving a penny to epic or downloading epic store launcher.
So you're going to rip off the developers instead? Because you could just get the game from Microsoft store or on the consoles instead. Epic is literally only taking 12% of the sales of the game. Of a $60 game, that is only $7.20. The developers are keeping the $52.80.
And promoting Pirate Bay is ...stupid. Very stupid. You're not doing anything but being a childish thief. Don't buy the game if you don't want to get it from somewhere, but do not steal it outright either. Just do without. You. Are. NOT. Entitled. To. The. Game. Period. Okay? Do you understand?
The thing is, if the game is released only on the Epic Store or the Windows store, then if you really want the game and those choices are not acceptable or available, then sometimes the less than legal option is the least unacceptable option. The Epic Store has some serious issues and honestly i would not trust them with my CC information, there are also reasons why the Windows store cannot be used, so if the only option left is Pirate Bay, well as much as i don't agree with pirated games, sometimes thats the only option if you want to play the game, if it comes to that the only ones really at fault are the developers for putting people in that position in the first place.
Bethesda going it alone, the rise of Epic and MS's resurgence along with Amazon and Google pushing hard into the sector are all good signs for the gaming industry.
The monopoly Steam enjoyed for so long is slowly falling apart. Only a cave dweller couldnt see this coming. Exciting times ahead for all in the industry and thats great.
It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
As a "Journalist" you have a obligation to present the FACTS to your readers and not biased opinion based on emotion or loyalty's. Not once i have I seen MMORPG cover the many short comings, security flaws and intrusive spyware the Epic store brings. I keep hearing you tout competition is good but why don't you make a article explaining how that benefits me, THE CONSUMER, YOUR READER, not the devs or the billionaire dollar corporations. I don't see any price breaks, All i see is the Origin store trying to nickle and dime me with Origin Access . "Hey buddy want to play Anthem with everyone else early...errr On Release with everyone else pay us 15 bucks on top of the 60 . Yeah Competition is great in the video game world...... Speaking of which lets actually define competition
the effort of two or more parties acting independently to secure the business of a third party by offering the most favorable terms
Correct me if I'm wrong but how can Steam and Epic be competing if one has exclusive rights to a game, How is that competition ?! In order to compete two or more MERCHANTS need to offer the SAME PRODUCT and then decide the terms , THAT IS COMPETITION
O wow Epic gives me 2 free games noone wants to play totally worth the intrusive spyware and lack of customer support should my credit card be charged with hundreds of dollars worth of charges i didn't make. Yeah that's happened quite often, google it. Or better yet do your readers a solid and write a article on it.
It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
I agree. Personally, I welcome this.
Valve's high profit take and complete lack of any kind of vetting standards have led to a platform where developers make less money per sale and have to share release window visibility with asset flips and disingenuously edgy hate speech games. We're seeing the natural market result of that.
Okay, so let's say the dream of you gamer progressives in this thread plays out and Epic dethrones Steam. What happens to the customer base and service that has taken Steam 15 years to build up WITHOUT any exclusives besides their in-house developed games? If their 70% of the PC gaming market audience dwindles SO DOES the potential revenue of all the legit games and the income it provides to those legit developers that Steam gave a chance to make money doing what they love. Not saying there isn't some garbage on there but you know what not every developer is a genius programmer/artist. Many of those games did not cost millions to make so that take home 70% is fine for them. For people who claim to care about developers many of you in this thread are quick to immediately cheer for the unsure "disingenuous" alternative that could possibly deprive many people of their livelihood.
Do you guys also really think for a second that if Epic fully destroys Steam they won't think twice about raising their fee to use their vastly inferior product?
It's hard to respect your argument when you deal with such blatant extremes.
First, not supporting a "fuck it, anything goes" policy isn't tantamount to censorship or extreme progressivism. I'm not advocating for Grand Theft Auto to be pulled from the platform. However, a system that can allow video games to be associated with school shooting simulators, interactive rape, and the wholesale pointless murder of gay people (only being removed retroactively if it gets enough attention) isn't conducive to a healthy reputation for games or gamers. I know I am certainly tired of the "gamer" identification I proudly wear being associated with angry, childish, hateful fuckwits. It certainly isn't good for a market that doesn't want actual government censorship of art.
Second, no one is saying that Epic will destroy Steam or that it even should be destroyed. The intelligent among us are saying "hello, maybe some actual strong competition might be good for the entire PC games marketplace." It's good for the developer, it's good for the Steam customer, and it's good for gaming.
Gonna skip that first paragraph of what you wrote cause that's about your personal opinion and I don't want to go there.
What I will comment on is in the second part of what you wrote
"hello, maybe some actual strong competition might be good for the entire PC games marketplace."
If this was actually competition I would instantly agree with you but like someone else just said it isn't competition if two distributors cannot "compete" over the same product.
If they said "Our game will be releasing on both Steam & Epic on launch day" that is competition, this is not.
Star Trek online when it launched gave different in-game bonuses depending on where you bought the game Target, Amazon, Gamestop, Wal-Mart. If Steam and Epic did that it would be competition rather than this "you can wait one year to play it unless you buy it from us".
It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
As a "Journalist" you have a obligation to present the FACTS to your readers and not biased opinion based on emotion or loyalty's. Not once i have I seen MMORPG cover the many short comings, security flaws and intrusive spyware the Epic store brings. I keep hearing you tout competition is good but why don't you make a article explaining how that benefits me, THE CONSUMER, YOUR READER, not the devs or the billionaire dollar corporations. I don't see any price breaks, All i see is the Origin store trying to nickle and dime me with Origin Access . "Hey buddy want to play Anthem with everyone else early...errr On Release with everyone else pay us 15 bucks on top of the 60 . Yeah Competition is great in the video game world...... Speaking of which lets actually define competition
the effort of two or more parties acting independently to secure the business of a third party by offering the most favorable terms
Correct me if I'm wrong but how can Steam and Epic be competing if one has exclusive rights to a game, How is that competition ?! In order to compete two or more MERCHANTS need to offer the SAME PRODUCT and then decide the terms , THAT IS COMPETITION
O wow Epic gives me 2 free games noone wants to play totally worth the intrusive spyware and lack of customer support should my credit card be charged with hundreds of dollars worth of charges i didn't make. Yeah that's happened quite often, google it. Or better yet do your readers a solid and write a article on it.
There are a lot of reports out now about the dodgy practices at Epic with their game store, i certainly would not recommend using it to anyone who i was at least marginally friendly with. At the moment, the only advice i would give absolutely everyone, is to avoid using the Epic Store, at least until after they have been proven to have cleaned up their act.
If you look at the original story, it's not about the platform, but about the games carried on it. The opinions I express in the conversation after the article are purely my own, hence why they were not included in the article. *shrugs*
My problem is i dont want too have multiples platforms with games Steam and GOG is plenty for me , I dont like also the way Epic is trying to grab customers into their platform
Epic store has no user reviews, and since some games are exclusives it's going to be harder to steer clear of broken, buggy or lame piles of crap.
I get that sometimes Steam forums and reviews can be cancer, and toxic. At the same time it's nice to get a general idea of what a game is all about and whether it's worth buying; as well as discuss a game with other folks who own it all right within the storefront.
It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
As a "Journalist" you have a obligation to present the FACTS to your readers and not biased opinion based on emotion or loyalty's. Not once i have I seen MMORPG cover the many short comings, security flaws and intrusive spyware the Epic store brings. I keep hearing you tout competition is good but why don't you make a article explaining how that benefits me, THE CONSUMER, YOUR READER, not the devs or the billionaire dollar corporations. I don't see any price breaks, All i see is the Origin store trying to nickle and dime me with Origin Access . "Hey buddy want to play Anthem with everyone else early...errr On Release with everyone else pay us 15 bucks on top of the 60 . Yeah Competition is great in the video game world...... Speaking of which lets actually define competition
the effort of two or more parties acting independently to secure the business of a third party by offering the most favorable terms
Correct me if I'm wrong but how can Steam and Epic be competing if one has exclusive rights to a game, How is that competition ?! In order to compete two or more MERCHANTS need to offer the SAME PRODUCT and then decide the terms , THAT IS COMPETITION
O wow Epic gives me 2 free games noone wants to play totally worth the intrusive spyware and lack of customer support should my credit card be charged with hundreds of dollars worth of charges i didn't make. Yeah that's happened quite often, google it. Or better yet do your readers a solid and write a article on it.
There are a lot of reports out now about the dodgy practices at Epic with their game store, i certainly would not recommend using it to anyone who i was at least marginally friendly with. At the moment, the only advice i would give absolutely everyone, is to avoid using the Epic Store, at least until after they have been proven to have cleaned up their act.
Nevermind that Steam is the one that stored the data in a file unencrypted.
Also, don't Google "Steam data breach". There is a whole lot more verified info on Steam handling info in completely dodgy manners than some random Reddit sleuths finding that Epic was pulling data that Steam left out there unencrypted. Stuff like unencrypted addresses and phone numbers. Configuration errors logging you into someone else's account entirely, so you could see names, emails, addresses, purchase history, partial credit card numbers, paypal account info. Just minor shit. The fact that they were leaving a file unencrypted with anything even remotely identifying, given their repeated history and what they've left out there before, should be way more concerning.
As far as credit cards being wiped out, Steam has plenty of those stories themselves and given the generally younger and relatively naive Fortnite userbase, I would bet most of those are just another generational repeat of the same shit we've seen before.
As far as the definition of competition in the now twice quoted post... There was competition. Epic won and secured the business by offering the most favorable terms. You're corrected.
Signs that you want to kill off your own game. 1. Add to Microsoft Store. 2. Add to Epic store.
Why? They - clearly - believe they will make more money this way.
Whilst the reduction in what they pay Epic vs. what they would have paid Steam is only 18% (12% vs. 30%) this will translate into a much bigger boost to their profit margin. It could easily double it and then some. Meaning they only have to sell half the copies before recouping their costs or whatever. Obviously we will never know but it will be significant.
And it's the first tranche of copies that are the easiest to sell. People who like the idea of game X and don't need to be "sold" on it; people who will buy it on whatever store it is on. To sell the next tranche though needs they need to advertise - and sell more to cover the extra marketing. Obviously being on Steam will help but only so far. To sell the next advertise even more - etc.
They may even get a slug of money from Epic as well. So why wouldn't they consider this.
Now whether its the "right" choice we will never know.
I suspect its the choice with the lowest "risk", the option most likely to make them their money back. And that they might have sold more copies on Steam - and made less money - or possibly sold many more copies on Steam and made more money. Think of it like gambling: bet on the "sure thing" or the outsider. And assuming Epic is paying them something they have opted for the sure thing.
It's like expecting every product on the planet to be sold at every store. It's not how it's done in "the real world" so why should it be done on the virtual one? It's not like the game isn't available on other platforms including the Windows store. If it's that big a deal, wait a year and play it on Steam.
Epic and other game store platforms are providing competition for Steam that people have become so accustomed to using they can't see anything else.
People hate change. This whole thread epitomizes that.
As a "Journalist" you have a obligation to present the FACTS to your readers and not biased opinion based on emotion or loyalty's. Not once i have I seen MMORPG cover the many short comings, security flaws and intrusive spyware the Epic store brings. I keep hearing you tout competition is good but why don't you make a article explaining how that benefits me, THE CONSUMER, YOUR READER, not the devs or the billionaire dollar corporations. I don't see any price breaks, All i see is the Origin store trying to nickle and dime me with Origin Access . "Hey buddy want to play Anthem with everyone else early...errr On Release with everyone else pay us 15 bucks on top of the 60 . Yeah Competition is great in the video game world...... Speaking of which lets actually define competition
the effort of two or more parties acting independently to secure the business of a third party by offering the most favorable terms
Correct me if I'm wrong but how can Steam and Epic be competing if one has exclusive rights to a game, How is that competition ?! In order to compete two or more MERCHANTS need to offer the SAME PRODUCT and then decide the terms , THAT IS COMPETITION
O wow Epic gives me 2 free games noone wants to play totally worth the intrusive spyware and lack of customer support should my credit card be charged with hundreds of dollars worth of charges i didn't make. Yeah that's happened quite often, google it. Or better yet do your readers a solid and write a article on it.
There are a lot of reports out now about the dodgy practices at Epic with their game store, i certainly would not recommend using it to anyone who i was at least marginally friendly with. At the moment, the only advice i would give absolutely everyone, is to avoid using the Epic Store, at least until after they have been proven to have cleaned up their act.
Nevermind that Steam is the one that stored the data in a file unencrypted.
Also, don't Google "Steam data breach". There is a whole lot more verified info on Steam handling info in completely dodgy manners than some random Reddit sleuths finding that Epic was pulling data that Steam left out there unencrypted. Stuff like unencrypted addresses and phone numbers. Configuration errors logging you into someone else's account entirely, so you could see names, emails, addresses, purchase history, partial credit card numbers, paypal account info. Just minor shit. The fact that they were leaving a file unencrypted with anything even remotely identifying, given their repeated history and what they've left out there before, should be way more concerning.
As far as credit cards being wiped out, Steam has plenty of those stories themselves and given the generally younger and relatively naive Fortnite userbase, I would bet most of those are just another generational repeat of the same shit we've seen before.
As far as the definition of competition in the now twice quoted post... There was competition. Epic won and secured the business by offering the most favorable terms. You're corrected.
Oh, it's absolutely hypocrisy. Steam's security is a complete joke. There have been multiple major data breaches in the past few years alone. I distinctly remember a "funny" incident a couple years ago in which customers were able to randomly access cached copies of eachother's accounts, including credit card information. Much like Bethesda's customer support ticket issue last year.
People claiming that Steam is a more secure/superior platform were either born yesterday, or they are using selective memory to defend their preferred monopoly.
As far as the definition of competition in the now twice quoted post... There was competition. Epic won and secured the business by offering the most favorable terms. You're corrected.
But that's competition that favors the gaming industry NOT THE CONSUMER/GAMER. Are you a dev, a shareholder , Are you CEO of a studio ?..... . That's healthy competition for the people that make the game not the one's buying it.
This is why it baffles me when people go around on these message boards saying competition for Steam is good, HOW ? Explain it to me . Give me a bunch of examples how Epic & Orgin and alllll the other platforms out there are going to make my gaming experience better and put more money for games in MY POCKET.
As far as the definition of competition in the now twice quoted post... There was competition. Epic won and secured the business by offering the most favorable terms. You're corrected.
But that's competition that favors the gaming industry NOT THE CONSUMER/GAMER. Are you a dev, a shareholder , Are you CEO of a studio ?..... . That's healthy competition for the people that make the game not the one's buying it.
This is why it baffles me when people go around on these message boards saying competition for Steam is good, HOW ? Explain it to me . Give me a bunch of examples how Epic & Orgin and alllll the other platforms out there are going to make my gaming experience better and put more money for games in MY POCKET.
well if thats the case no company will do that for you when they are competing be it movies, books, tv shows, or video games. Unless I am misunderstanding your words here there should be no seperete TV channels, movies should all be made by one company, etc...
Clearly, Amazon Prime's upcoming Lord of the Rings show shouldn't be allowed. If it can't be on Netflix, that must be anti-competitive.
Remember when people said the epic store would bring competition? Exclusive titles don't create competition.
Bullshit. Exclusive titles are the backbone of console competition. And many of the best games ever made are made explicitly because console holders are willing to risk a loss on hugely invested first party games to sell their platform.
But you are comparing needing to buy physical machines to run it.
On PC both Steam, Epic and Windows games can all run on the same machine. Now in theory, all 3 stores would ideally be offering the same merchandise. And they would do that because they are the same type of store. Those who offer the better service or lower prices would get the consumer. But if a game is exclusive to a launcher, there is no competition.
Epic is more akin to EA. Where you are required to run on their platform. None of this benefits the consumer. And the fact you compared consoles to this, shows me you don't understand that.
As far as the definition of competition in the now twice quoted post... There was competition. Epic won and secured the business by offering the most favorable terms. You're corrected.
But that's competition that favors the gaming industry NOT THE CONSUMER/GAMER. Are you a dev, a shareholder , Are you CEO of a studio ?..... . That's healthy competition for the people that make the game not the one's buying it.
This is why it baffles me when people go around on these message boards saying competition for Steam is good, HOW ? Explain it to me . Give me a bunch of examples how Epic & Orgin and alllll the other platforms out there are going to make my gaming experience better and put more money for games in MY POCKET.
well if thats the case no company will do that for you when they are competing be it movies, books, tv shows, or video games. Unless I am misunderstanding your words here there should be no seperete TV channels, movies should all be made by one company, etc...
Clearly, Amazon Prime's upcoming Lord of the Rings show shouldn't be allowed. If it can't be on Netflix, that must be anti-competitive.
Why do you and your new friend keep comparing things that are completely unrelated to PC gaming when discussing this subject. Apple's and oranges.
Now in theory, all 3 stores would ideally be offering the same merchandise. And they would do that because they are the same type of store. Those who offer the better service or lower prices would get the consumer. But if a game is exclusive to a launcher, there is no competition.
The problem is that Steam won’t allow that. If I release a game on steam for $60 I also have to sell it on epic for $60. If I were allowed to take advantage of the lower cut and drop the price on the epic store more devs would be willing to do so.
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Is not about % cut that much is all about the money that epic is giving away.
You can do much to get your privacy back...just accepting things and saying privacy is a thing of the past is rather unintelligent. to put it mildly.
The monopoly Steam enjoyed for so long is slowly falling apart. Only a cave dweller couldnt see this coming. Exciting times ahead for all in the industry and thats great.
As a "Journalist" you have a obligation to present the FACTS to your readers and not biased opinion based on emotion or loyalty's. Not once i have I seen MMORPG cover the many short comings, security flaws and intrusive spyware the Epic store brings. I keep hearing you tout competition is good but why don't you make a article explaining how that benefits me, THE CONSUMER, YOUR READER, not the devs or the billionaire dollar corporations. I don't see any price breaks, All i see is the Origin store trying to nickle and dime me with Origin Access . "Hey buddy want to play Anthem with everyone else early...errr On Release with everyone else pay us 15 bucks on top of the 60 . Yeah Competition is great in the video game world...... Speaking of which lets actually define competition
the effort of two or more parties acting independently to secure the business of a third party by offering the most favorable terms
Correct me if I'm wrong but how can Steam and Epic be competing if one has exclusive rights to a game, How is that competition ?! In order to compete two or more MERCHANTS need to offer the SAME PRODUCT and then decide the terms , THAT IS COMPETITION
O wow Epic gives me 2 free games noone wants to play totally worth the intrusive spyware and lack of customer support should my credit card be charged with hundreds of dollars worth of charges i didn't make. Yeah that's happened quite often, google it. Or better yet do your readers a solid and write a article on it.
Aloha Mr Hand !
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They could also sell it, and offer the downloads / servers themselves though that would be pretty costy.
Also, don't Google "Steam data breach". There is a whole lot more verified info on Steam handling info in completely dodgy manners than some random Reddit sleuths finding that Epic was pulling data that Steam left out there unencrypted. Stuff like unencrypted addresses and phone numbers. Configuration errors logging you into someone else's account entirely, so you could see names, emails, addresses, purchase history, partial credit card numbers, paypal account info. Just minor shit. The fact that they were leaving a file unencrypted with anything even remotely identifying, given their repeated history and what they've left out there before, should be way more concerning.
As far as credit cards being wiped out, Steam has plenty of those stories themselves and given the generally younger and relatively naive Fortnite userbase, I would bet most of those are just another generational repeat of the same shit we've seen before.
As far as the definition of competition in the now twice quoted post... There was competition. Epic won and secured the business by offering the most favorable terms. You're corrected.
Whilst the reduction in what they pay Epic vs. what they would have paid Steam is only 18% (12% vs. 30%) this will translate into a much bigger boost to their profit margin. It could easily double it and then some. Meaning they only have to sell half the copies before recouping their costs or whatever. Obviously we will never know but it will be significant.
And it's the first tranche of copies that are the easiest to sell. People who like the idea of game X and don't need to be "sold" on it; people who will buy it on whatever store it is on. To sell the next tranche though needs they need to advertise - and sell more to cover the extra marketing. Obviously being on Steam will help but only so far. To sell the next advertise even more - etc.
They may even get a slug of money from Epic as well. So why wouldn't they consider this.
Now whether its the "right" choice we will never know.
I suspect its the choice with the lowest "risk", the option most likely to make them their money back. And that they might have sold more copies on Steam - and made less money - or possibly sold many more copies on Steam and made more money. Think of it like gambling: bet on the "sure thing" or the outsider. And assuming Epic is paying them something they have opted for the sure thing.
People claiming that Steam is a more secure/superior platform were either born yesterday, or they are using selective memory to defend their preferred monopoly.
This is why it baffles me when people go around on these message boards saying competition for Steam is good, HOW ? Explain it to me . Give me a bunch of examples how Epic & Orgin and alllll the other platforms out there are going to make my gaming experience better and put more money for games in MY POCKET.
Aloha Mr Hand !
On PC both Steam, Epic and Windows games can all run on the same machine. Now in theory, all 3 stores would ideally be offering the same merchandise. And they would do that because they are the same type of store. Those who offer the better service or lower prices would get the consumer. But if a game is exclusive to a launcher, there is no competition.
Epic is more akin to EA. Where you are required to run on their platform. None of this benefits the consumer. And the fact you compared consoles to this, shows me you don't understand that.