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Shoal · May 2006

Part of the Atari/Turbine announcement :

"Keith Baker is the creative genius behind Eberron..."

Creative genius, I don't think so. Now, if they had based this game on Greyhawk / Forgotten Realms, then I just might bow to the creators as geniuses.

But for this Eberron drivel? Suckage. Major Suckage.

Elnator · May 2006

Have to agree... I haven't really been impressed by any of the AD&D "worlds" beyond Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms. They were both very well done. Ebberon is merely 'ok'. And DDO isn't "Ebberon" it's "Stormreach"... and not even much of that.

Scaris · May 2006

Ravenloft was done well and Undermountain tied all the realms together very nicely. I have not been impressed with Ebberon one bit, Hasbro seems to want to make the game have more mass appeal. I will stick to playing version 1 and 2 for tabletop and probably not buy products that use the Ebberon setting in the future.

Elnator · May 2006

Never liked Ravenloft personally... Undermountain wasn't toooo bad.... but FR and Greyhawk were and are the kings, imo.

Scaris · May 2006

Originally posted by Elnator
Never liked Ravenloft personally... Undermountain wasn't toooo bad.... but FR and Greyhawk were and are the kings, imo.

Well you had to be of a certain breed to GM Undermountain well in my opinion.

Shurijo · May 2006

Originally posted by Shoal

Part of the Atari/Turbine announcement :
"Keith Baker is the creative genius behind Eberron..."
Creative genius, I don't think so. Now, if they had based this game on Greyhawk / Forgotten Realms, then I just might bow to the creators as geniuses.
But for this Eberron drivel? Suckage. Major Suckage.

Keith Baker had nothing to do with DDO. He was the game designer for WotC's Eberron Campaign Setting. There's very little of Eberron in DDO anyways. You could do a search and replace on the quest text and change the game to Grayhawk or Forgotten Realms. The only thing from Eberron is the Warforged - which aren't even implemented the same was as D&D Warforged.

I've been around D&D for a long time - played Grayhawk and FR and I'm currently playing a couple Eberron PnP games - and I really like Eberron setting (not DDO). However, (just like when FR came out) there's a lot of people that misunderstand or just don't care to understand or take the time to actually read about the new setting. The setting is solid and just like every new edition of the core books, introduces new things and tries to fix old things.

DDO is a disaster in itself and, unfortunately, they are giving Eberron the blackeye, which is probably why they are hiring an Eberron author and game designer to help create content for the game. I honestly have no idea why they didn't hire Baker when the project first started.

Yeebo · May 2006

I generally prefer more traditional settings such as FR and the one that they detailed for D&D basic (Mystaria I think it was called....). I also liked Dark Sun a lot. Loved the PC games, the fiction, and had a fun PnP campaign there. Never cared much for the Planescape source materials, but PS Torment was an utterly fantastic PC game so it obviously had some potential I didn't see.

Elnator · May 2006

Originally posted by Shurijo

Originally posted by Shoal

Part of the Atari/Turbine announcement :
"Keith Baker is the creative genius behind Eberron..."
Creative genius, I don't think so. Now, if they had based this game on Greyhawk / Forgotten Realms, then I just might bow to the creators as geniuses.
But for this Eberron drivel? Suckage. Major Suckage.

Keith Baker had nothing to do with DDO. He was the game designer for WotC's Eberron Campaign Setting. There's very little of Eberron in DDO anyways. You could do a search and replace on the quest text and change the game to Grayhawk or Forgotten Realms. The only thing from Eberron is the Warforged - which aren't even implemented the same was as D&D Warforged.

I've been around D&D for a long time - played Grayhawk and FR and I'm currently playing a couple Eberron PnP games - and I really like Eberron setting (not DDO). However, (just like when FR came out) there's a lot of people that misunderstand or just don't care to understand or take the time to actually read about the new setting. The setting is solid and just like every new edition of the core books, introduces new things and tries to fix old things.

DDO is a disaster in itself and, unfortunately, they are giving Eberron the blackeye, which is probably why they are hiring an Eberron author and game designer to help create content for the game. I honestly have no idea why they didn't hire Baker when the project first started.

All good points but, as I said, I've been playing D&D since it was Pamphlets back in the 70's I have played every ruleset and every expansion to the game. I think Ebberon is a 'solid' world, as you said. But I think, other than Ravenloft, it's the weakest of them. That's just my personal opinion though.

And yeah, DDO didn't do a very good job implementing the WarForged... then again DDO didn't do a very good job implementing Dungeons & Dragons either.

Scaris · May 2006

Originally posted by Elnator
All good points but, as I said, I've been playing D&D since it was Pamphlets back in the 70's I have played every ruleset and every expansion to the game. I think Ebberon is a 'solid' world, as you said. But I think, other than Ravenloft, it's the weakest of them. That's just my personal opinion though.
And yeah, DDO didn't do a very good job implementing the WarForged... then again DDO didn't do a very good job implementing Dungeons & Dragons either.

Well they tried real hard to implement basements and kobolds!

Elnator · May 2006

Originally posted by Fadeus

Originally posted by Elnator
All good points but, as I said, I've been playing D&D since it was Pamphlets back in the 70's I have played every ruleset and every expansion to the game. I think Ebberon is a 'solid' world, as you said. But I think, other than Ravenloft, it's the weakest of them. That's just my personal opinion though.
And yeah, DDO didn't do a very good job implementing the WarForged... then again DDO didn't do a very good job implementing Dungeons & Dragons either.

Well they tried real hard to implement basements and kobolds!

LOL!!!!!

Scaris · May 2006

Originally posted by Elnator

Originally posted by Fadeus Originally posted by ElnatorAll good points but, as I said, I've been playing D&D since it was Pamphlets back in the 70's I have played every ruleset and every expansion to the game. I think Ebberon is a 'solid' world, as you said. But I think, other than Ravenloft, it's the weakest of them. That's just my personal opinion though.And yeah, DDO didn't do a very good job implementing the WarForged... then again DDO didn't do a very good job implementing Dungeons & Dragons either.
Well they tried real hard to implement basements and kobolds!LOL!!!!!

Sounds so... GURPS.

Rudnoc · May 2006

Shees, no one even mentioned DragonLance.

Of course like one mentioned here Forgotten Realms is King. Hear Hear!!!

But outside of that and good ol' GreyHawk Adventures, DragonLance is another that was very intriguing and full of adventure. Let alone the death system in DragonLance is extrodinary.

As for Ebberron, I looked into it as for the adventure sheets and stuff. But I am somewhat boggled about Baker being the mastermind behind this. I swore I read somewhere that Gary Gygax stopped his work on Lejendary Adventures to specifically assist with the 3.5 rules and that Ebberron was his own work as his final project before he retires completely?

Anyway, Ebberron seems nicely done and has a different perspective to the D&D franchise than that of GreyHawk, Ravenloft, ForgottenRealms and DragonLance. But I think I am sort of happy that Turbine used Ebberron rather than the more traditional realms. I think it would have tarnished the general name of D&D more if Turbine was able to use them.

Hopefully the MMO title that Bioware is starting on will be a ForgottenRealms one. If so, I can see it already, the sheer thrill from all of the D&D fans to see Neverwinter Nights Online make a comeback.

Yes, I speak correct. Now I am not talking about the recent NwN that Bioware did, but the original NwN Online back in the early 90's over at AOL. Which TSR and SSI put together and had AOL host it at Nasher's Lounge. It was a MMO and infact the very first graphical MMO to ever come out. So, yes, the grandfather of RPG is also the grandfather of MMO's. If you don't believe me go here and read up. http://www.bladekeep.com/nwn/

Also yes, Bioware is going to be working on a MMORPG. No one still yet knows what it is going to be, but I am crossing my fingers. http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/press_releases/2006_03_15_Austin/

Elnator · May 2006

Originally posted by Rudnoc

Shees, no one even mentioned DragonLance.
Of course like one mentioned here Forgotten Realms is King. Hear Hear!!!
But outside of that and good ol' GreyHawk Adventures, DragonLance is another that was very intriguing and full of adventure. Let alone the death system in DragonLance is extrodinary.
As for Ebberron, I looked into it as for the adventure sheets and stuff. But I am somewhat boggled about Baker being the mastermind behind this. I swore I read somewhere that Gary Gygax stopped his work on Lejendary Adventures to specifically assist with the 3.5 rules and that Ebberron was his own work as his final project before he retires completely?
Anyway, Ebberron seems nicely done and has a different perspective to the D&D franchise than that of GreyHawk, Ravenloft, ForgottenRealms and DragonLance. But I think I am sort of happy that Turbine used Ebberron rather than the more traditional realms. I think it would have tarnished the general name of D&D more if Turbine was able to use them.
Hopefully the MMO title that Bioware is starting on will be a ForgottenRealms one. If so, I can see it already, the sheer thrill from all of the D&D fans to see Neverwinter Nights Online make a comeback.
Yes, I speak correct. Now I am not talking about the recent NwN that Bioware did, but the original NwN Online back in the early 90's over at AOL. Which TSR and SSI put together and had AOL host it at Nasher's Lounge. It was a MMO and infact the very first graphical MMO to ever come out. So, yes, the grandfather of RPG is also the grandfather of MMO's. If you don't believe me go here and read up. http://www.bladekeep.com/nwn/
Also yes, Bioware is going to be working on a MMORPG. No one still yet knows what it is going to be, but I am crossing my fingers. http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/press_releases/2006_03_15_Austin/

Yup, I played in Dasher's lounge

It wasn't the only 'first' though. BattleTech Online came out on GEnie at the same time. And I think CompuServe had something similar as well.

But yeah, it's definitely one of the oldest.

As to what BioWare is doing? Who knows... I'm not sure how the AD&D license is handled.. Atari has it for DDO, if it's an exclusive license then BioWare can't do NWN Online.... if it's not exclusive then it's possible. Though I suspect, given that they went to Austin and the fact that LEC recently mentioned the fact that they are planning to do an SWG2 that it may be a Star Wars MMORPG....

Either way, whatever BioWare releases will likely be a cut above anything else currently out. They are a phenomenal company and have a strong dedication to product quality.

Scaris · May 2006

Didn't play alot of Dragonlance but I guess it was just never gritty enough for me.

Shurijo · May 2006

Originally posted by Rudnoc

Shees, no one even mentioned DragonLance.
Of course like one mentioned here Forgotten Realms is King. Hear Hear!!!
But outside of that and good ol' GreyHawk Adventures, DragonLance is another that was very intriguing and full of adventure. Let alone the death system in DragonLance is extrodinary.
As for Ebberron, I looked into it as for the adventure sheets and stuff. But I am somewhat boggled about Baker being the mastermind behind this. I swore I read somewhere that Gary Gygax stopped his work on Lejendary Adventures to specifically assist with the 3.5 rules and that Ebberron was his own work as his final project before he retires completely?
Anyway, Ebberron seems nicely done and has a different perspective to the D&D franchise than that of GreyHawk, Ravenloft, ForgottenRealms and DragonLance. But I think I am sort of happy that Turbine used Ebberron rather than the more traditional realms. I think it would have tarnished the general name of D&D more if Turbine was able to use them.
Hopefully the MMO title that Bioware is starting on will be a ForgottenRealms one. If so, I can see it already, the sheer thrill from all of the D&D fans to see Neverwinter Nights Online make a comeback.
Yes, I speak correct. Now I am not talking about the recent NwN that Bioware did, but the original NwN Online back in the early 90's over at AOL. Which TSR and SSI put together and had AOL host it at Nasher's Lounge. It was a MMO and infact the very first graphical MMO to ever come out. So, yes, the grandfather of RPG is also the grandfather of MMO's. If you don't believe me go here and read up. http://www.bladekeep.com/nwn/
Also yes, Bioware is going to be working on a MMORPG. No one still yet knows what it is going to be, but I am crossing my fingers. http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/press_releases/2006_03_15_Austin/

In 2002 (IIRC), WotC held a contest for their new official campaign. The entry submitted by Keith Baker won that contest and along with a couple more final round finishers, they created Eberron. I've heard nothing about Gygax getting involved. But the core manuals and Eberron are different departements. Eberron is just a world setting that adds new races, feats, etc. Gygax might have worked on 3.5, but that is independant of Eberron or any other setting.

Since Eberron is the new official WotC campaign, I doubt any new games (not counting existing series like NWN) will use Forgotten Realms. Just this year, 2 Eberron games (Dragonshards a RTS and DDO) was released - both were new titles.

I also doubt that WotC would license another company to make a competing product. It would be more cost effect to have Turbine do a search and replace on the quest dialogs and for a specific server and name it the FR server, since they have a lot of the other stuff already done.

I think Bioware's news will either be the Marvel (I heard SOE got Marvel deal) or DC or (hopefully, but not likely) a Star Wars (either KOTOR or SWG). Although, they have stated before that they are trying to grow their own IP, so it might just be a Dragon Age related MMO.

Elnator · May 2006

No they won't be doing Marvel. SOE holds the rights to that and they are already developing a Marvel based MMORPG... They haven't named it yet but it's slated to release in 2007 last I heard.

I think it's either going to be a non IP'd title that they have exclusive rights to or BioWare is going to be doing a Star Wars MMORPG.... To me it just seems like too big a coincidence that they opened up a shop in Austin where LEC has a headquarters and where SWG was developed....

random11 · May 2006

Originally posted by Elnator

Originally posted by Fadeus

Originally posted by Elnator
All good points but, as I said, I've been playing D&D since it was Pamphlets back in the 70's I have played every ruleset and every expansion to the game. I think Ebberon is a 'solid' world, as you said. But I think, other than Ravenloft, it's the weakest of them. That's just my personal opinion though.
And yeah, DDO didn't do a very good job implementing the WarForged... then again DDO didn't do a very good job implementing Dungeons & Dragons either.

Well they tried real hard to implement basements and kobolds!

LOL!!!!!

^^

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wjrasmussen · May 2006

I am a big fan of GH and before that the settings from Judges Guild. Not of fan of this setting. After 30+ years of dnd, I guess I have had enough. lol...

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