No more Good vs Evil pvp

leipuri · May 2006

So many mmropg are picking the good vs evil, factions type pvp where you attack someone just because they happen to be in enemy faction. Players should decide who is their or their clan enemy insteace dev team coding it to game.

Like in wow you attack horde if you are in alliance, not because he did something to you, not because your clan declared war on them for something they did, but because it was just coded into game that these 2 are enemies.

Pride7 · May 2006

Asheron's Call was sort of like what you are describing. On Darktide you would attack people depending on what Monarch they belonged to. Ah those were the days!

katriell · May 2006

Ryzom has faction PvP, but it's not as simple as Good vs. Evil. The factions have differing idealogies, but nothing tells you which one is "right" or "wrong" other than your character's own conscience. Your race doesn't determine your faction either, and with a certain amount of work, you can switch at any time after choosing a faction.

It has a deep story...but that story is also dynamic. Player actions, alliances, etc. affect the political balance between the factions. So you can "have it both ways."

Xpheyel · May 2006

That just seems like a style thing to me. Make-of-it-what-you-will is probably great if you're in a good clan. Factions make life easier to organize on the fly.

leipuri · May 2006

Originally posted by rentantilus
Funny, guys like this are always the ones you hear whining that MMORPGs don't have enough story to them, too. Make up your mind, people. Do you want a game packed with a pre-established storyline full of static plots (such as good vs. evil, where you can only attack one other group because that's how the world was written) or do you want an open-ended game where you make your own alliances, enemies, and plots? Sorry, but if you want a game with tons of story, you have to put up with adhering to that storyline, i.e. WoW, Planetside, Dark Age of Camelot, etc. If you're willing to put in the extra effort to make your own storylines, maybe you're thinking of a different kind of game, such as Eve Online or Ultima Online.

Never whined about not enough story and when I play mmorpgs I couldn't care less about story. For me it's players who make the story, events and history of mmorpg. I am playing Eve, but there isnt really good fantasy mmorpg with that freedom, Uo used to have and maybe still have in Siege, but it's different game now.

Actually I am bit worried for Eve as they are planning to add faction wars in Kali. It could make player conflicts less about players starting the conflicts and more about "we shoot you, because you are in enemy faction" and resulting very black and white player politics in game.

SilverGR · May 2006

Originally posted by leipuri
So many mmropg are picking the good vs evil, factions type pvp where you attack someone just because they happen to be in enemy faction. Players should decide who is their or their clan enemy insteace dev team coding it to game.
Like in wow you attack horde if you are in alliance, not because he did something to you, not because your clan declared war on them for something they did, but because it was just coded into game that these 2 are enemies.

Actually it's not really good vs. evil in Warcraft, simply because the Horde is not really evil. The only truly evil race (Forsaken) was accepted by the Horde because Thrall believes they can be redeemed. So it's not exactly black and white. And in the server where I play Hordies frequently visit peacefully our side wearing simple clothes. Some bash them on sight, others try to protect them. A faction war element is good because it gives some more meaning to a conflict beyond "his char ganked mine two months ago" or "this group stole our boss kill". That being said a fantasy MMORPG with an open-ended story is missing. Perhaps because it's simpler for players to appreciate politics on a more familiar setting (i.e. one based on modern political systems and concepts) than a fictional feudal world or monarchy.

jhall229 · May 2006

Originally posted by leipuri

So many mmropg are picking the good vs evil, factions type pvp where you attack someone just because they happen to be in enemy faction. Players should decide who is their or their clan enemy insteace dev team coding it to game.
Like in wow you attack horde if you are in alliance, not because he did something to you, not because your clan declared war on them for something they did, but because it was just coded into game that these 2 are enemies.

It is called Lineage 2 my friend.

DuraheLL · May 2006

Want another stereotype? Monsters = Evil/Dumb. Humanoids = Good/Smart :P

pkan522 · May 2006

LoL, noob RvR is the best pvp type... in most games you can duel who ever you want anyways

WARCRYtm · May 2006

Lineage2 is your game

fizzle322 · May 2006

If you are into hardcore pvp you should try Eve. Don't have time to describe it fully, but theres a free trial, you will either love it or hate it.

MadAce · May 2006

EVE is a bit too soft for my liking.

Try Starport: Galactic Empires .

Hotcell · May 2006

Roma Victor is like the game you are describing. You start off as a Roman or Barbarian., where the two factions are obviously at war with each other. But as a Roman, you can kill another Romans if you are willing to suffer the penalty (if you are caught..).

I think games should be like that. I mean betryals do happen. I wish I could kill some fellow Alliance memebers...

Taron · May 2006

Well if your wanting somthing along the lines of the game not just being good or evil when it comes to factions the game im working on ,Navareaonline, might be what your looking for. It splits the 16 races in the game into 4 factions which fight eachother so if your looking for somthing that just isnt attack one faction it might be it.

paulscott · May 2006

have 2 sided pvp is there to drive the community..... though the designers aren't useing this drive at all most the time.

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