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Droigan · May 2006

http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304

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Then... well do whatever.

This has been the most ingenious marketing decision ever, because never before have I seen such an exodous of kiddies. Leaving with no knowledge of what happened, no knowledge of what will happen.

Saying no because something "bad" can happen in the future.... that's just about the dumbest thing anyone can do.

Hey. I'll go ask her out. Naaaah, better not, might say no.

Hey, I should apply for my dream job. Naaah, better not, might get fired down the line.

Hey, I should never do anything at the risk that it might turn bad down the end! YEAH, thats a good idea!.........

anarchyart · May 2006

I agree and I think Brad will get a lot of flack in the short term, but in the long term many immature and ignorant players will not want anything to do with VSOH. WTG Brad!!

Neurox1 · May 2006

geez a lot of you people have no concept of "spin" and damage control ...

think about all the gamers who dont READ forums .. and just go by the recommendations of friends and store clerks ...

they have ALL BEEN TOLD .. to stay away from SOE products ... just soe's name on the box spells doom for vanguard ...even if the BS about SOE having " no control" is true

angerr · May 2006

well some people feel morally obligated to not giving soe any of their money, witch is understandable....however i am not one of those people lol, even though i don't think this was a wise decision overall.....but i don't know all the details internally so w/e will just have to wait and see.

angerr · May 2006

Originally posted by Neurox1
geez a lot of you people have no concept of "spin" and damage control ...
think about all the gamers who dont READ forums .. and just go by the recommendations of friends and store clerks ...
they have ALL BEEN TOLD .. to stay away from SOE products ... just soe's name on the box spells doom for vanguard ...even if the BS about SOE having " no control" is true

i don't agree with that theory, in fact i think it is just the opposite.....unless they are active on the forums or have experienced first hand soe games they prolly don't care that soe is on the box.

true if their friends tell them not to buy it, they probably wont......but not all people feel as strongly as the hardcore soe haters do....some people buy games because they think it looks interesting not because of who is publishing it.

yeah i think that soe being involved is a negative, but there are also positives.....ill let you know when i can think of some haha ::::18::

Droigan · May 2006

Server infrastucture and patch system best in the business (and new patch system being revealed at E3)

More knowledge on how to do that than anyone in the business

Previous knowledge of the Sigil team, will work well together (Smed is one of Brads best friends)

Have previously FUBARED games by changing them after release, will be very unlikely to do that again with the fiasco of SWG lingering in the back of their heads

And to be quite honest, I'd MUCH rather SOE got control, if that ever happens, of Vanguard than Vivendi/Blizzard.

But as previously stated. The people who leave now, without having tried it, without... anything really other than seeing the three letters SOE on it.... Well, I don't think the games in game community will be devestated from their loss.

bennylong · May 2006

The reason this game was the most hyped was because it was supposed to be the SOE Killer.

Now that they are part of SOE, most of us won't touch it. We do not support our enemy

angerr · May 2006

Originally posted by bennylong
The reason this game was the most hyped was because it was supposed to be the SOE Killer. Now that they are part of SOE, most of us won't touch it. We do not support our enemy

true, alot of people that frequent this site wont play vanguard now because of soe's involvement. however the people on this site don't speak for the mmo community as a whole, we will just have to wait and see how this turns out.

Distiler · May 2006

It's very simple. A lot of people don't want to get involved nor financially support SOE anymore.

Droigan · May 2006

Originally posted by bennylong
The reason this game was the most hyped was because it was supposed to be the SOE Killer.

Now that they are part of SOE, most of us won't touch it. We do not support our enemy

Your enemy..... lol

Also, the vast majority of the money goes to Sigil, not SOE.

As Brad stated. Would you rather have the game you want to play, and have a few pennies go to SOE, or have the game changed into something that is not in line with their original vision?

PeZzy · May 2006

Vanguard will be a part of the All-Access subscription which will drastically limit the amount of money Sigil sees. It's in Sigil's best interest to get people to subscribe to Vanguard alone.

Shayde · May 2006

No.. it's like not asking her out because you find out she has herpes.

anarchyart · May 2006

Originally posted by Shayde

No.. it's like not asking her out because you find out she has herpes.

No, it's like not wanting to work with someone who has HIV. You might be looking out for yourself, but you are being totally ignorant to think you will catch HIV just from working at the same office as someone. You're just ignorant. Shame on you.

anarchyart · May 2006

double post so I'll say that I'm glad morons will run from SOE. I dont wanna play with morons.

anarchyart · May 2006

Ahh the fabled triple post! Sigil won't let SOE touch their game so get a clue kids.

Tuvas · May 2006

Originally posted by PeZzy

Vanguard will be a part of the All-Access subscription which will drastically limit the amount of money Sigil sees. It's in Sigil's best interest to get people to subscribe to Vanguard alone.

If you read what Brad had sated you wouldn't say that really. The way he explained it is based on the amount of time you play each game on the access pass. So if you have a pass and split your time between VSoH and EQ2 it's a 50/50 split of that money with a small amount going to SoE via the agreement worked out in the deal Sigil made. So if you have a pass and played VSoH only all would go to Sigil minus the agreed upon cut.

Anofalye · May 2006

Aradune...

Tell me, without laughing, that this wasn't planned at the very moment you left EQ or in the next 3 months? Somehow, I will start believing there is some strong bond between you and Johny, not that it is bad, SoE really improve old EQ anyway. Now if SoE could listen to the masterminds behind LDoN rather than do the same crap again and again...

Seem to me like a long term plan coming to fruition. Rather than loaning at the bank, you loan at Microsoft, which is a lesser evil (compare to banks)...back then starting to work on EQ3 while EQ2 was not even released and leaving EQ would have been hard...unless Aradune left the team...all this was planned.

Anyway, for all the distress peoples:

http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/press_releases/2006_03_15_Austin/

THAT is the future! Everything else is pale and pointless beside! A real RPG company at last in the MMORPG field! That is promising, if anyone think WoW change the MMORPG, just wait to see...a new era is befalling on us! Behold the power of true devs!

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Benz00 · May 2006

Its all a lie ANYTHING SOE TOUCHES TURNS TO POOP

OldManFunk · May 2006

Originally posted by Droigan

Server infrastucture and patch system best in the business (and new patch system being revealed at E3)

Never play Guild Wars? Now Guild Wars has a nice patch system and stable servers.Last time I played a SOE game the servers were going down much more often than.. well, they went down so often that I felt like sharing.

Originally posted by Droigan
Have previously FUBARED games by changing them after release, will be very unlikely to do that again with the fiasco of SWG lingering in the back of their heads

Just like that Taco Bell that gave you food poisoning is much less likely to mess up your next taco.

Narc1 · May 2006

Let's just look at it how it is in simple terms, SOE has a tarnished reputation among gamers. Particularly those who played SWG, worked hard for a unique class only to have it stripped in an instant by allowing the masses to do the same in 2 min instead of 8 months. With that scenario in the back of many gamers minds, you can't possibly not be cautious about any future involvement of the company that made many blunders with their own game. I was planning on at least trying this game but now I probably won't unless the community reaction to the game is favorable and even then Ill wait a month so that I don't get fanboy BS.

Droigan · May 2006

Originally posted by Narc1

Let's just look at it how it is in simple terms, SOE has a tarnished reputation among gamers. Particularly those who played SWG, worked hard for a unique class only to have it stripped in an instant by allowing the masses to do the same in 2 min instead of 8 months. With that scenario in the back of many gamers minds, you can't possibly not be cautious about any future involvement of the company that made many blunders with their own game. I was planning on at least trying this game but now I probably won't unless the community reaction to the game is favorable and even then Ill wait a month so that I don't get fanboy BS.

This is where the idiocy comes in. Because as of now (and possibly forever) SOE has NO impact on the design of Vanguard. None. What. So. Ever.

What people are bitching about is what "might" happen in the "future". Not now. Not even remotely close to now in the span of a mmorpg.

Sigil bought the game to keep it from being changed in ways they did not want it to. And now people are not buying it because SOEs name will be on the box with no influence on the game?

Idiocy.

Why the hell anyone would deny themselves a game they have previously wanted to play on the basis of whos server they play on is beyond me.

I followed Horizons closely. Turbine fubared that. DDO is not something I like either. I'll still get and try LOTR Online even tho I don't like or have much faith in the company as a whole.

If I am entertained, I could care less on who is behind the entertainment. Denying yourself entertainment, and that is what the games are, on the basis of grudges..... Well, if people wish to be that idiotic then so be it.

WHHAAAA New Line Cinema butchered what could have been a glorious movie about Mortal Combat. Now I refuse to see Lord of the rings! Because they are the enemy! Evil publishers!!!! They will ruin the movie!

HatsAndCats · May 2006

Originally posted by Droigan

I followed Horizons closely. Turbine fubared that.

Horizons was Fubared before it even came out.

Anywho, Sigil has more control now. And apparently this is a good example.
MS had some form of control when patches were to be released and whatnot.

http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1045065#post1045065

by Aradune Mithara On Yesterday, 05:40 PM
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xabora

Question:

How is the Beta System going to be handled from here on out?

We will transition over to SOE hardware, front end, etc. It shouldn't take too much time. And the result will be we will be able to patch when we want to and conduct the beta in much more the way we want and need to than under the contraints we were.

sartorius · May 2006

Originally posted by Droigan

Have previously FUBARED games by changing them after release, will be very unlikely to do that again with the fiasco of SWG lingering in the back of their heads

Incorrect, it didn't stop them from destroying the combat system of Matrix Online.

n2sooners · May 2006

People really hate SOE for one reason or another, but that is because they loved the games so much before they took a turn in design that the players didn't like. Yet all those games are still alive and kicking. If you compare the SOE MMO track record to that of MS then I don't see how people think this is a step in the wrong direction. SOE has multiple MMOs with hundreds of thousands of paying subscribers. I believe that MS currently has zero. Of the ones they have had, one was a moderate success. Never as popular as UO or EQ, but AC was still a fairly popular game. AC2 on the other hand was a flop and is on the very short list of MMOs that have been canceled. And the rest of MS's experience is with MMOs that never made it to release before they were canceled.

I don't know about anyone else, but I would rather see Vanguard co-published by SOE with Brad having total control of content than see it published by MS with their hand in the pot. If SOE is herpes, then MS is aids to the MMO world.

dragonsmack · May 2006

SoE's biggest problem isn't that they keep changing the basic core principles of these games, that is just the result of their biggest problem. Their biggest problem is that they are consistently develping games that have flawd systems to begin with, and when the flaws become so blatently apperent and threaten the stability of the entire game they have no choice but to do a complete revamp. It's their rush through develpment and lack of testing that is their largest downfall.

I don't percieve this being a factor with Vanguard, the game is already will into development and testing. SoE is not the driving force behind the games development and therefore willnot be able to rush it into its final stages without a full round of testing. As long as Sigil maintains control of the development of the initial founding principles of the game then SoE will have no reason to revamp anything.

My largest concern is that SoE will be placed in charge of the Customer Service portion of the game. SoE CS is a nightmare, and their CS reps treat the bulk of their customer base deplorably. They aren't concerned about keeping their customers happy, all they care about is keeping their customers paying.

In the end though I'll just have to wait and see if the game is good enough for me to want to deal with SoE in order to play it.

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