Hecklers interupt rumsfeld speach

angerr · May 2006

i would like to know the answer to this reporters question myself, i am not huge on politics but it is pretty funny how a simple question can stump rumsfeld....it makes you wonder.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/04/rumsfeld.ap/index.html

reavo · May 2006

Don't hold you breath expecting an honest answer.

I heard a guy on the radio today play back the speech from the confrontation. Rumsfeld said to the crowd that he never told anyone they knew where weapons were. But then the guy on the radio played back a recording from before the war where Rumsfeld clearly stated that they knew exactly where they were. So, did he forget? Or did he lie? It didn't seem to matter to the nitwits in the crowd that cheered for him when he said it. I guess they like being lied to and misled.

Sucks for him that we live in a world with recording devices.

Razorback · May 2006

Well he also introduced us to the concepts of :

unknown knowns
known unknowns
known knowns
and of course who could forget unknown unknowns

In the light of that fabulous logic, bull$hit takes on a meaning all of its own Id say. I doubt he can even decide for himself when hes telling the truth and when he spinning for his life.

Rufius · May 2006

That question the man asked was a very difficult one for Rumsfield. It does make me wonder at why he had to use an example to explain it.

We all know now that that there wasn't anything there but, I honestly think it was a bait and switch tactic played on the U.S. government.

honzolo · May 2006

LOL, I thought it was funny. As usual, Rummy handled it all well. I enjoy his banter with the media. He handles them like they should be handled... like gnats.

H.

reavo · May 2006

Originally posted by honzolo

LOL, I thought it was funny. As usual, Rummy handled it all well. I enjoy his banter with the media. He handles them like they should be handled... like gnats.

H.

How did he handle it well? He lied. Read my post above.

He told the guy that he never said they knew where the weapons were, but on a talk show on the radio today they played a speech of his before the war where he said they know exactly where the weapons are. Today he said he never said that. He contradicted himself. Plain and simple.

How is that handling a situation well? I put merit in honesty and respect for the people. After all he works for us. We're not to be pushed around by them. They're our government. And lying to us is like flipping us off for thinking we have a right to be told the truth.

And the media asking tough questions is their job. They're not to be swatted like gnats. They are an important part of the whole system. They keep us informed. Are they supposed to just be polite and not ask the questions that most American's want to have asked right now. American's want to know what the hell is going on. Have you seen the distrust that is evident in the polls?

Azathoth · May 2006

Originally posted by honzolo

LOL, I thought it was funny. As usual, Rummy handled it all well. I enjoy his banter with the media. He handles them like they should be handled... like gnats.

H.

Thank God for people like you. You're the kind that would walk into the Red Sea (the Reed Sea depending on what you believe) after it was parted, only to be drowned by the hand of God.

Keep walking, bro.

honzolo · May 2006

<<w did he handle it well? He lied. Read my post above.

He told the guy that he never said they knew where the weapons were, but on a talk show on the radio today they played a speech of his before the war where he said they know exactly where the weapons are. Today he said he never said that. He contradicted himself. Plain and simple.

How is that handling a situation well? I put merit in honesty and respect for the people. After all he works for us. We're not to be pushed around by them. They're our government. And lying to us is like flipping us off for thinking we have a right to be told the truth.
>>

He said that he knew where the suspected sites were. I don't believe he was lying. You do believe he was lying... you're entitled to your viewpoint.

<<And the media asking tough questions is their job. They're not to be swatted like gnats. They are an important part of the whole system. They keep us informed. Are they supposed to just be polite and not ask the questions that most American's want to have asked right now. American's want to know what the hell is going on. Have you seen the distrust that is evident in the polls?>>

LOL, have you seen the distrust of the media in the polls? It's quite high, my friend. The news media today is not in the business of telling us the truth... they're in the business of selling us stories based on what we want to hear. From the right and the left.

I didn't say the media is not supposed to ask tough questions... not sure where you got that, but I enjoy the interaction Rummy has with the media. I have a disdain for the modern 'journalist'... They shape the news to fit their agendas... from calling black folk during the Katrina situation 'looters' and white folk 'trying to survive' to referring to an 'already low 4.8 percent unemployement rate- during the Clinton admin, versus referring to the same unemployment rate during the Bush admin as high. They do this stuff all the time, and I despise and resent them for it... so sue me. I guess I just expect them to have higher standards.

Hehe.

Rufius · May 2006

Originally posted by honzolo
LOL, I thought it was funny. As usual, Rummy handled it all well. I enjoy his banter with the media. He handles them like they should be handled... like gnats. H.

For future thread readers reference. This is what is called "flame bait" don't get sucked in.

Azathoth · May 2006

Originally posted by Rufius

Originally posted by honzolo
LOL, I thought it was funny. As usual, Rummy handled it all well. I enjoy his banter with the media. He handles them like they should be handled... like gnats.

H.

For future thread readers reference. This is what is called "flame bait" don't get sucked in.

No worries. I post flamebait too. All in a good day's waste of time.

honzolo · May 2006

<<No worries. I post flamebait too. All in a good day's waste of time.>>

Indeed.

H.

reavo · May 2006

Originally posted by honzolo

<<w did he handle it well? He lied. Read my post above.

He told the guy that he never said they knew where the weapons were, but on a talk show on the radio today they played a speech of his before the war where he said they know exactly where the weapons are. Today he said he never said that. He contradicted himself. Plain and simple.

How is that handling a situation well? I put merit in honesty and respect for the people. After all he works for us. We're not to be pushed around by them. They're our government. And lying to us is like flipping us off for thinking we have a right to be told the truth.
>>
He said that he knew where the suspected sites were. I don't believe he was lying. You do believe he was lying... you're entitled to your viewpoint.
<<And the media asking tough questions is their job. They're not to be swatted like gnats. They are an important part of the whole system. They keep us informed. Are they supposed to just be polite and not ask the questions that most American's want to have asked right now. American's want to know what the hell is going on. Have you seen the distrust that is evident in the polls?>>
LOL, have you seen the distrust of the media in the polls? It's quite high, my friend. The news media today is not in the business of telling us the truth... they're in the business of selling us stories based on what we want to hear. From the right and the left.
I didn't say the media is not supposed to ask tough questions... not sure where you got that, but I enjoy the interaction Rummy has with the media. I have a disdain for the modern 'journalist'... They shape the news to fit their agendas... from calling black folk during the Katrina situation 'looters' and white folk 'trying to survive' to referring to an 'already low 4.8 percent unemployement rate- during the Clinton admin, versus referring to the same unemployment rate during the Bush admin as high. They do this stuff all the time, and I despise and resent them for it... so sue me. I guess I just expect them to have higher standards.
Hehe.

I suspect someone is looking at this whole thing through very tinted glasses.

I heard the interview played over and over last night on talk radio. Every last one of them were commenting on how he said exactly what the guy in the audience told him he said and then he denied it. And what was even funnier was hearing the Bush supporters cheer Rumsfeld like the guy in the audience didn't know what he was talking about. Like the CIA Analyst didn't know what he was talking about!!!

Look, if I were so inclined to give Rumsfeld the benefit of the doubt. Let's say he forgot what he said. Then that alone shows their competency. That statement isn't one that just rolls off someones tongue to be forgotten about a few years later. That is key strategic planning data. So if his memory is that bad then what the hell is he doing in his position?

And if you don't like the way the media is running things, then believe that truth will win out. But when you've got someone saying Rumsfeld said something, the sec of defense denying he said it, and then tapes being played back from a Stephanopolous (sp) interview of him saying those exacts words, it's kind of hard to blame the media.

This administration has ruined this country. I admit the economy is good. But that's us doing that. The American people. The same American people that are getting ready to can these goobs and their philosophies of big government, wreckless spending, and meddling in social issues.

We need a President, administration, and a Congress that are willing to strip the governments power, get rid of the "Federal" (private) Reserve, and put the power back to the people. Damn the Republicans and Democrats. They've had long enough to screw things up with their lies and manipulation.

And I"m sorry you look to them for answers and leadership.

Puoltry · May 2006

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I beleive the current govt sux and i dont just mean the republicans either.There is no more distinct political party anymore.Just talking heads who think they know more than we do.

So good luck and lets hear what your REAL political affiliation is!!

noname12345 · May 2006

Originally posted by reavo
I suspect someone is looking at this whole thing through very tinted glasses.

I heard the interview played over and over last night on talk radio. Every last one of them were commenting on how he said exactly what the guy in the audience told him he said and then he denied it. And what was even funnier was hearing the Bush supporters cheer Rumsfeld like the guy in the audience didn't know what he was talking about. Like the CIA Analyst didn't know what he was talking about!!!

Look, if I were so inclined to give Rumsfeld the benefit of the doubt. Let's say he forgot what he said. Then that alone shows their competency. That statement isn't one that just rolls off someones tongue to be forgotten about a few years later. That is key strategic planning data. So if his memory is that bad then what the hell is he doing in his position?

And if you don't like the way the media is running things, then believe that truth will win out. But when you've got someone saying Rumsfeld said something, the sec of defense denying he said it, and then tapes being played back from a Stephanopolous (sp) interview of him saying those exacts words, it's kind of hard to blame the media.

This administration has ruined this country. I admit the economy is good. But that's us doing that. The American people. The same American people that are getting ready to can these goobs and their philosophies of big government, wreckless spending, and meddling in social issues.

We need a President, administration, and a Congress that are willing to strip the governments power, get rid of the "Federal" (private) Reserve, and put the power back to the people. Damn the Republicans and Democrats. They've had long enough to screw things up with their lies and manipulation.

And I"m sorry you look to them for answers and leadership.

Amen

. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Edit: Poultry I did the test but I already knew. I'm a Libertarian too.

Vercades · May 2006

When I read Mcgovern's comments in the article about his talking to CNN, in it he said that what motivated him was when the "first lady" was removed. At first I was like the first lady!? But, later thought about it more and, realized he meant the first lady as protesting the speech. Hmm.. that was very strange to me when I read that, this guy is smart. Very smart.. maybe too smart.

Quote
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MCGOVERN: I had no predetermined objectives. I just wanted to
see what he had to say. But I did get very motivated when the first
lady was ejected ... from the crowd.
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Mcovern's comments

honzolo · May 2006

<<I suspect someone is looking at this whole thing through very tinted glasses.

I heard the interview played over and over last night on talk radio. Every last one of them were commenting on how he said exactly what the guy in the audience told him he said and then he denied it. And what was even funnier was hearing the Bush supporters cheer Rumsfeld like the guy in the audience didn't know what he was talking about. Like the CIA Analyst didn't know what he was talking about!!!
>>

We all have a tint to our glasses. The CIA analyst was a known rabid left winger... they do exist... even in the CIA. There are plenty of bitter former and current CIA employees who are trying to cover their own butts, since they were the ones who provided the same information to the Clinton Admin s well as the Bush admin that Hussein had a WMD program. So, the freakshow gathers together to protest Rummy, and they are instantly heroes and beyond reproach... totally honest and without agenda. Please. Like I said, I like Rummy, and I like how he handles people like this.

<<Look, if I were so inclined to give Rumsfeld the benefit of the doubt. Let's say he forgot what he said. Then that alone shows their competency. That statement isn't one that just rolls off someones tongue to be forgotten about a few years later. That is key strategic planning data. So if his memory is that bad then what the hell is he doing in his position?
>>

LOL, it seems he is not the only one who has a poor memory. All of a sudden everyone seems to have forgotten what they said about Hussein and his WMD's... Look into what John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Madelaine Albright, Sandy berger, William Cohen and many others have said on record about Hussein and his WMD program and you will see the same things said as the current administration. Where did they all get their information? The CIA. But we don't hold them accountable do we? No... that wouldn't accomplish what he left hopes to accomplish. Getting Bush is all that matters, and the truth be damned.

<<This administration has ruined this country. I admit the economy is good. But that's us doing that. The American people. The same American people that are getting ready to can these goobs and their philosophies of big government, wreckless spending, and meddling in social issues.

We need a President, administration, and a Congress that are willing to strip the governments power, get rid of the "Federal" (private) Reserve, and put the power back to the people. Damn the Republicans and Democrats. They've had long enough to screw things up with their lies and manipulation. >>

LOL, good luck with all of that. I wish it could happen like that. I guess we've found something we agree on. As far as the economy, the people were given a chance to create the booming economy we've had thanks to tax cuts and government getting out of the way of small business. If we could get the government to quit spending into oblivion, we'd be in great shape. Doesn't seem that either party is for reducing spending though.

But none of this changes my original point... I like Rummy... I like how he handles the media. It's always entertaining.

Laserwolf · May 2006

Originally posted by honzolo
LOL, it seems he is not the only one who has a poor memory. All of a sudden everyone seems to have forgotten what they said about Hussein and his WMD's... Look into what John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Madelaine Albright, Sandy berger, William Cohen and many others have said on record about Hussein and his WMD program and you will see the same things said as the current administration. Where did they all get their information? The CIA. But we don't hold them accountable do we? No... that wouldn't accomplish what he left hopes to accomplish. Getting Bush is all that matters, and the truth be damned.

Yeah....... Rumsfeld and Bush took us to war over it after the UN Inspectors failed to find WMDs. Rumsfeld and Bush took us to war over it, the others didn't buddy.

honzolo · May 2006

<<Yeah....... Rumsfeld and Bush took us to war over it after the UN Inspectors failed to find WMDs. Rumsfeld and Bush took us to war over it, the others didn't buddy. >>

LOL, have we forgotten 1998?

H.

noname12345 · May 2006

It's so stupid how politicians go out to take questions like Rumsfeld did...except one problem they screen the audience to make sure they're supporters. Sure once in awhile someone opposing the speaker gets in as we have seen in the past.

It's just the politicians wanting a pat on the back and easy questions that really mean nothing. Same with the media they ask shallow questions aswell, except Meet The Press can be quite good....the host can ask some hard questions.

Also for the CIA man who simply asked a legit question, what do they do? Try and throw him out. That's America folks...Whatever happened to free speech? Oh I guess just not in front of our Politicians??

This is a good read http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/050506askingquestion.htm. Alex in 1998 asks Bush a question and He gets kicked out and arrested ALL on video.

reavo · May 2006

Originally posted by honzolo

LOL, have you seen the distrust of the media in the polls? It's quite high, my friend. The news media today is not in the business of telling us the truth... they're in the business of selling us stories based on what we want to hear. From the right and the left.
Those polls are from left and right wing venues. They all tell the same. This administrations poll numbers are abysmal. They're some of the lowest in history. That show's something whether you want to believe it or not. It's got nothing to do with left leaning or right leaning, it's got to do with the American people and what they are thinking right now. Just ask around. But be sure to step outside your group of like minded friends first. Then you'll be surprised what you hear. People are fed up with what's going on. Republicans and Democrats alike.

I didn't say the media is not supposed to ask tough questions... not sure where you got that, but I enjoy the interaction Rummy has with the media. I have a disdain for the modern 'journalist'... They shape the news to fit their agendas... from calling black folk during the Katrina situation 'looters' and white folk 'trying to survive' to referring to an 'already low 4.8 percent unemployement rate- during the Clinton admin, versus referring to the same unemployment rate during the Bush admin as high. They do this stuff all the time, and I despise and resent them for it... so sue me. I guess I just expect them to have higher standards.
I remember a few Fox News journalists down there screaming and yelling that nothing was being done during Katrina too. Namely Shepard Smith. And he still stands by what he said back then to this day. He's no where near a left leaning guy. And what if we took all the money we're spending to rebuild Iraq and put that into rebuilding our own nation? And as far as the economy goes, that's us man. We're the economy. Not the government. We're working harder and we're creating more jobs. And if you believe the government has the power to manipulate all that then I ask you why you vote for people that adhere to keeping that power. Why do you elect people that let things like the Federal Reserve exist instead of making money something for the people's use. Neither the Republican's nor the Democrats are small government proponents anymore. This administration, even with the war aside, is the biggest spending administration in history. I don't want either of the two major parties in control anymore. They've screwed us up over and over again and done it with a smile on their face to try to lull us into submission. It's time it stops and we get back to our principles. The Republicans want to be in everyones personal lives trying to tell us how we're supposed to live. By their right and wrong standards. And the Democrats want to turn us all into government sponsored workers (not that the Republicans aren't in that camp more and more lately). I want them both to leave me alone. Stay out of my personal life and let me do what I want with my money. And quit acting like we're supposed to run all around the world trying to throw our weight to fix other people's problems. Iraq is going to end up hating us in the end. Everyone knows that. And it's never going to be a democracy liked they tried to tell us it would be.

reavo · May 2006

Originally posted by honzolo

We all have a tint to our glasses. The CIA analyst was a known rabid left winger... they do exist... even in the CIA. There are plenty of bitter former and current CIA employees who are trying to cover their own butts, since they were the ones who provided the same information to the Clinton Admin s well as the Bush admin that Hussein had a WMD program. So, the freakshow gathers together to protest Rummy, and they are instantly heroes and beyond reproach... totally honest and without agenda. Please. Like I said, I like Rummy, and I like how he handles people like this.
People questioning government is not a freakshow. It's our civic duty. I don't care where it comes from. I enjoy people challenging the government. They deserve it. They should always be under suspicion.

LOL, it seems he is not the only one who has a poor memory. All of a sudden everyone seems to have forgotten what they said about Hussein and his WMD's... Look into what John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Madelaine Albright, Sandy berger, William Cohen and many others have said on record about Hussein and his WMD program and you will see the same things said as the current administration. Where did they all get their information? The CIA. But we don't hold them accountable do we? No... that wouldn't accomplish what he left hopes to accomplish. Getting Bush is all that matters, and the truth be damned.
So they all screwed up together. Imagine that, the Democrats and Republicans screwing up together. Wow, shock, awe, surprise, gasp. What you're not understanding is that most Americans are standing on the outside of this. They're not politically motivated by Republicans or Democrats right now. They're normal folks who are beginning to realize that these two parties don't stand for them. And they never will. It's time they're both ousted and new ideas are put into play. Actually, it's kind of ironic that the new ideas are what the founding fathers told us to adhere to in the first place. Now those old ideas are the new ones. And the ones that can save us.

Vercades · May 2006

Check out rumsfield's site. Pretty hardcore...
http://www.rumsfield.com/

noname12345 · May 2006

That would be hilarious except His name is Rumsfeld.

modjoe86 · May 2006

I stopped respecting Rumsfeld after he got caught electronically signing death letters to the parents of soldiers. His lying is just a nail in the coffin.

Magnum2 · May 2006

It took 2 years for them to find 30 MiG jet aircraft buried in the desert. How long do you think it would take to find items small enough to fit in an ice box? More likely, all NBC ( thats nuclear, biological and chemical for those of you uneducated ) materials were moved to Syria. Quit listening to the propoganda from either side and think for once. This war liberated people for sure, but the main purpose was for stability in the region for the long haul. No stability means less oil and that means trouble for all western economies. Why do you think we helped Hussein fight off the Iranians in the 80's? We didn't give a damn about him ... we just didn't want fanaticism spreading from Afghanistan to Jordan and Saudi. Now start learning through your own research and quit being led like wimps by the media outlets thoughout the world. For those of you that think we shouldn't drill for oil and gas here ... then start bitching about the Chinese helping the Cubans drill in the Gulf 75 miles south of Florida.

randygoodman · May 2006

OMG!OMG!OMG!

FINALLY! A realist. I agree. I knew there had to be another intellectual individual out there, but i couldn't find him or her. What would people be saying if that region was left to go to hell and the oil didn't flow west? Economies would crumble, unemployment would sky rocket and the ignorant would then be saying " WHY DIDN'T YOU DO ANYTHING? ".

Start you own thread Magnum. I'd like to hear more.

Oh! Wait for peeps to start screaming about stability??? STABILITY???? War is nasty and never clean, but this was the cleanest and most casualty free ever. People forget it took 50 years to calm America down after the Revolution, yet in today's society people have a need for instantaneous everything. Fast food, fast news and i guess that means fast wars and reconstruction.

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