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This poll deserves to be stickied on the front page.
Actually, Sigil just backed away from Microsoft and their mucho funding to satisfy the gamers and to keep true to their vision instead of turning it into something that they, nor the gamers who followed the game, wanted.
Oh well, it leaves the servers freer of the whiners and the doom and gloom bringers. More fun for the real Vanguard fans that are determined to continue to give the game a chance.
I now see why SOE make the rule that you have to play the game to post on the game forums. Otherwise they would have every Tom, Dick and Harry complaining about the game; even if they don't play the darn thing.
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Actually, Sigil just backed away from Microsoft and their mucho funding to satisfy the gamers and to keep true to their vision instead of turning it into something that they, nor the gamers who followed the game, wanted.
Exactly, people can't seem to grasp the concept that Microsoft is too controling and Sigil needs a publisher that will let them work freely. Of course it's going to be SOE because Brad obviously worked with SOE before and EverQuest was a hit when it was released in 1999.
God how simple does this have to be put to make people like you understand? SOE can almost do jack shit to alter Vanguard. Sigil made the deal because they understood how much control it gave them over Vanguard. Any ideas that SOE have they have to go through Sigil with. Brad will not justify damage to his game. He has also stated, over and over, that he has no need or desire to sell the rights to Vanguard in the near or far future.
Maybe I am a Fanboi. My SOE blinders have been developed with clear, logical thought, not fanaticism. You are so determined in you hate of SOE that you will dismiss a game that you previously looked upon as full of promise. (Not necessarily Kazara because I didn not know his thoughts before the deal..just any of the doubters).
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People still trying to JUSTIFY that they did'nt make a mistake on picking this future mmo and how SOE involvement was a good one. LOL! You folks are doing a good job on convincing yourself of rainbows, unicorns and nice cute teddy bears.
I truley was looking for this game to come out, till SOE stamps there Logo somewhere on the game. This will just end up like another SOE game on station pass and a mmo that will have a small subscriber bas and this game WONT be the BIG ONE everyones been waiting for. I say it wont break the 1 million subscriber mark now due to Sonys involvement in anyway shape or form.
I was there in the Golden days of EQ and still see this company running back to its Daddy. The more things change, the more things stay the same. Oh and dont worry, since it SOE, you may enjoy your new game for 1 year, but after that, you will be jumping ship or playing EQ or EQ2 since you got the station pass.
People intend to forget what makes MMO's fun. Its the game itself (for sure) and most important, the PEOPLE that MAKE the game fun to play online, without people playing, its just another low base mmo game with empty promises on how they will make the game better to draw more people to it. With SOE reputation, unless your into low based mmo's, this game is all you.
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I despise SOE and Sony to. I agree with them, so it has nothing to do with blinders. SOE makes bad games, every one of them. But SOE isn't making Vanguard, they're just putting boxes on shelves and making sure the servers run, which SOE has done well.
Only an SOE hater with blinders on would bash SOE's history with MMOs while ignoring MS's history. MS has had one moderately successful MMO release, and is the largest and one of the very few companies to have a released MMO canceled, and a second generation MMO at that.
So they brought it to the one place that will destroy that vision... GREAT JOB!!
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Only an SOE hater with blinders on would bash SOE's history with MMOs while ignoring MS's history. MS has had one moderately successful MMO release, and is the largest and one of the very few companies to have a released MMO canceled, and a second generation MMO at that.
I'm not saying either publisher is brilliant, but I've only had real, first-hand experience with SOE. What they did to Galaxies was a travesty. There was neither intelligence nor vision behind what they did. They were driven by greed (which I do not necessarily think a bad thing) to try and grab a piece of the World of Warcraft pie. It is not the motivation that I condemn as stupid or evil, but rather the approach. They butchered a thriving (yes, it was thriving compared to its current state) MMO in order to try and grab that piece, instead of coming up with a new game (even if it was based upon the old one). The result has not only been a large ex-customer base that channels constant hatred for them, but vastly diminished subs on the new game.
Based on many factors, this is a situation that SOE made for itself. Perhaps Microsoft was also as bad as SOE at this whole MMO business, but, really, are you advocating the lesser of two evils? I guess given that the only choices were between these two entities, SOE might actually be the lesser of the two evils (although I don't know that personally), but it doesn't change the fact that there is a very large contingent in the MMO world who refuse to be customers of SOE. If what you say is correct, there's likely a large contingent that refuses to be Microsoft customers as well. If you were one of these Microsoft haters, knowing what you do regarding how they handle their titles, refusing to play some new game that Microsoft just signed on to publish because of this knowledge, how would you react to somebody telling you that you're full of it?
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As ye SOE, so shall ye weep.
Another version is that Vanguard has been dumped by Microsoft, and Sigil had to find another publisher in a hurry.
If the latter is true, Sigil had to give up more benefits to Soe that you might think
Another version is that Vanguard has been dumped by Microsoft, and Sigil had to find another publisher in a hurry.
If the latter is true, Sigil had to give up more benefits to Soe that you might think
Another version yes. But far from correct, just made up to satisfy an argument for those calling for no Vanguard involvement from SOE.
Just accept that the deal is brokered and no harm can seemingly come from it. If you don't like the fact that Sigil made a deal with SOE and won't now play Vanguard then don't. Just do us all a favour and stop whining about it and making up countless unthought of reasons why it will go sour.
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I thought SOE wasn't going to be involved in the development or manipulation of the game.
I'm just excited I can add it to my Station Pass. Woohoo!!!!
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Here is a quote from Sigil's page on what SOE will be doing as CO-publisher. (Sigil itself will now be part publisher).
"SOE will provide distribution, marketing, hosting and back-end support
-- including billing and technical support -- for the game.
Additionally, SOE is tentatively planning on adding Vanguard, upon its release,to SOE’s Station Access™ subscription plan."
That's a quote from the press-release here: http://www.sigilgames.com/sonypressrelease.html
Nowhere in that statement does it say anything about Development, which is still squarely in Sigil's camp. So, despite what we may all think about SOE or Microsoft; this deal gives Sigil a LOT more control over their own game.
Another version is that Vanguard has been dumped by Microsoft, and Sigil had to find another publisher in a hurry.
If the latter is true, Sigil had to give up more benefits to Soe that you might think
My bet is that Microsoft was pressuring Sigil to release the game before it was ready. I'm betting that Microsoft said something along the line of: "The game is good enough. We're releasing it June 1st!"
To which Sigil responded: "No! It's not ready yet. If you want we will buy back your publishing rights and find another publisher who is willing to wait until we say it's done."
That's my guess anyway. Probably didn't hurt that SOE probably offered Sigil a boatload of cash to be able to add VanGuard to it's StationPass.
God how simple does this have to be put to make people like you understand? SOE can almost do jack shit to alter Vanguard. Sigil made the deal because they understood how much control it gave them over Vanguard. Any ideas that SOE have they have to go through Sigil with. Brad will not justify damage to his game. He has also stated, over and over, that he has no need or desire to sell the rights to Vanguard in the near or far future.
Maybe I am a Fanboi. My SOE blinders have been developed with clear, logical thought, not fanaticism. You are so determined in you hate of SOE that you will dismiss a game that you previously looked upon as full of promise. (Not necessarily Kazara because I didn not know his thoughts before the deal..just any of the doubters).
Holifeet would accept anything to see this game launched, no matter how utterly crappy it is. I predict a subscriber base HALF of what it would be without SOE. Brad sold out already, told you he would. SOE will hose this game 200 ways to Sunday, it's what they do! They have a big ZERO success rate, all they do is take successful titles and wreck them. Hahahaha, this was posted as me as sure to happen and it did! I hate Brad for this exact reason, he is a backstabber for his fans, "screw me once shame on you, screw me twice shame on me". He screwed me good in EQ by selling out, and I knew he would again!
It's an entirely different situation. Smedley was the one who hired Brad originally, it was more a consolidation than a takeover in EQ.
Sigil is a privately owned company. Owned by Brad and Jeff. They also have contracts with SoE stating what SoE is going to provide for the game.
Your "spider sense" and "vast knowledge" of the situation does not supercede business contracts.
People need to stop using the EQ as an example of what will happen.
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an entirely different situation. Smedley was the one who hired Brad
originally, it was more a consolidation than a takeover in EQ.
Sigil
is a privately owned company. Owned by Brad and Jeff. They also have
contracts with SoE stating what SoE is going to provide for the game.
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