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This may not matter to MMORPG.com users, but do MMOs do better with hot/cute/s**y characters

BaalzharonBaalzharon Member RarePosts: 514
Partly this topic idea derives from the BDO thread made by AAAMEOW. But also not forgetting that TERA (not sure how it is now) for a long a while, if not still, also seemed to be the case to this...

But it seems games with hot/skimpy/cute/s**y characters make quite a lot of money on people buying stuff for those characters. 

Would BDO even have the same success if they didn't have "hot" characters (keeping in mind looks are in eye of the beholder, but many DO agree BDO has good looking characters)? Would TERA not have the success if they didn't have that creepy Elin race (which seemed to be the most popular race in TERA for buying cosmetic items on)?

Or are those two MMOs just a coincidence and the characters had nothing to do with it? That one I'm not so sure on, cause to me I think many people play BDO (not sure about TERA these days) mostly for how good the characters look.

In a different setting, WoW characters look decent and a lot of people play the "good" looking characters (like blood elves being a prime example). Of course WoW relies far more than just character looks...but what if in WoW the character models looked like junk and super ugly? Not just in character physical appearance, but what if transmogs were also super ugly? I'm sure some would still play it, probably most would, but many people do seem to make their characters look as good as possible in WoW

Which goes back to BDO and (again not sure how it is now) TERA. TERA must have seen massive success just because of the characters...especially if you guys/gals remember the skimpy ads for TERA. TERA had borderline softcore porn ads. As for BDO. Are the characters and outfits what really makes them the big bucks because how many perceive them to be "good" looking?

Keep in mind, for BDO/TERA I'm not exactly talking about population. But BDO reached 1 billion in gross sales...would it see the same success or even CLOSE to that success if the characters and outfits looked ugly? I don't think that matters to many MMORPG.com users, but it seems enough gamers think it matters to buy a total of 1 billion+ in sales
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  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,583
    Sex appeal sells. Always has. Always will.

    Same goes for aesthetics.

    Why ask what is common knowledge?
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  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,517
    edited April 2019
    I don't think BDO makes what it makes because of slutty characters. I think they just have a decent game, with solid gameplay, which entices enough people to want to spend money on it. I'd be curious to see the disparity between how many costumes sell for the sexually appealing characters vs the big ugly Orc/whatever characters though.

    Tera clearly didn't do well with.. whatever it was going for.

    WoW you may have a point, but maybe I'm biased, I played a Moonkin for 8 years and hardly ever seen my character.

    To answer your question, I think pretty much anything does "better" with scantily clad people around. How much better does something like that affect an MMO? I think very little in the long term, I know for myself, personally, if the game isn't good, I won't be playing it very long, regardless if I can play completely naked (Mortal Online is a good example). 

    Short term, probably a lot more. I remember the Evony ads that were all over the place, who knows how many people went on to play that game because of those..
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Clothes are a form of self expression. Wherever you have people interacting with one another, there is going to be self expression.
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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    Players are shallow enough to try but not stay if the game is not good. I like cute characters because I love anime and I enjoy that art but if the game stinks I'm out.
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  • DibdabsDibdabs Member RarePosts: 3,239
    It's not something that interests me in games.  Anime characters are particularly crap.
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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    ikcin said:
    Amazing, but sex sells. And perversions and fetishes sells even more. So if you could play with a small girl with animal parts dressed in lingerie, well many players will do it. Personally I do not like it, as it clearly breaks the immersion. There are porno games, for those kind of players. In fact the Internet is infested with pornography. But honestly the hetai characters are not the biggest problem of the MMORPGs.
    You mean hentai right ?
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  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    The cash shop main attraction is customization options for the character appearance. That should be a strong indication of how important looks are.
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  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,583
    edited April 2019
    Sex appeal sells. Always has. Always will.

    Same goes for aesthetics.

    Why ask what is common knowledge?
    Well, many MMOs don't rely on it and see success. Though they don't seem to see the same success BDO has. LOTRO didn't rely on it, and while never earned 1 billion in a year, it saw success for quite a while (its fallen into hard times though past year or so). EVE doesn't really rely on it. Though I guess CAN make skimpy characters, but its really 99.9% spaceships and it sees great success. Which in both examples both games relied/rely on quality gameplay to get ahead

    Then BDO. Honestly I think it has good ideas, though many of the mechanics seem more singleplayer-ish than MMO. But if se* appeal gives a game THAT much revenue...then honestly...why don't other MMOs go down that path? Every company would want that kind of income. Though I suppose they'd have to invest in both good graphics AND a good character design, both not very cheap.
    Do they? Maybe a handful.

    Perhaps LotRO and EVE, but I'm going to guess that any art depicting characters whether in game or advertising doesn't show a lot of unattractive characters wearing their ugliest clothes. Appeal isn't limited to skimpy attire either. I'm sure there are many beautiful garments in LotRO that aren't revealing in any way. Such would probably sell better there anyway, given the setting and community.

    There are a lot of reasons a MMORPG would avoid the route of blatant sex appeal.

    A company may feel it doesn't fit their game, such as LotrO mentioned above. A company may feel such is not in keeping with their values, as seemed to be the case when I was playing Villagers and Heroes. Games that have a large percentage of female players may worry it will offend them. The game may be targeted to children, such as Wizard 101, so they want to stay far away from introducing any gear or cosmetics inappropriate for that audience. I'm sure there are many other possible reasons, but that should suffice for example.
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,014
    One of the biggest topics in chat in BDO is anime...Many of the players are just infatuated with it.... To me it is very disturbing t ohave a girl that looks like she is barely teen or pre teen have gigantic boobs and be sexualized.
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  • DvoraDvora Member UncommonPosts: 499
    Sex appeal sells. Always has. Always will.

    Same goes for aesthetics.

    Why ask what is common knowledge?
    Eh there is a line for me and I think quite a few others.  I can appreciate good looking female charcter models but I'd prefer them in half-way realistic gear vs the steel bra and bikini bottoms.  Same reason I don't like asian anime style male toons in flashy pimp suits wearing sunglasses, carrying swords twice their height/width and driving cars in a medieval MMO.
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    edited April 2019
    If it fits the game then i'm OK with it and i'll create one as well. But like DMKano said above, if the rest of the game is good then that's what matters most.




  • H0urg1assH0urg1ass Member EpicPosts: 2,380
    Sex appeal will not hurt the game, but if the gameplay is garbage and isn't fun to begin with, then it won't help it either.

    The game needs to work on a mechanical and enjoyable level first, then it can also be sexy.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,583
    Dvora said:
    Sex appeal sells. Always has. Always will.

    Same goes for aesthetics.

    Why ask what is common knowledge?
    Eh there is a line for me and I think quite a few others.  I can appreciate good looking female charcter models but I'd prefer them in half-way realistic gear vs the steel bra and bikini bottoms.  Same reason I don't like asian anime style male toons in flashy pimp suits wearing sunglasses, carrying swords twice their height/width and driving cars in a medieval MMO.
    There is a line for everyone.

    I think you'll agree that a game that doesn't cross your line will be more enjoyable when it has visuals you find pleasing rather than atrocious. Also, as I said in another post, sex appeal doesn't depend on blatant display, but can be done with more subtle visuals.

    Either way, it boils down to the same approach, just tailored to the expected tastes of your audience. People are more attracted to what they find desirable. Most find alluring and otherwise pleasing aesthetics desirable. Providing both in a way that suits the majority of a game's audience will make the game more profitable.
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,503
    I will never understand Anime, or peoples attraction to cartoons. I don't appreciate "bikini" heavy armor. However, I also believe in; to each their own. So while it's not for me, I get that others do like it so I just avoid those types of things as much as I can. If it's a good game, I may get sucked in by the mechanics.
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  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,571
    I think in the East it's a factor, you only need to look at any Korean MMO to see that. Not so much Western MMO's. I played WoW from day 1 as a Tauren and an Orc, not even remotely good looking in the normal sense.

    I have no objection to good looking character models, metal bikini's or most of the other stuff some people complain about, those things don't affect my decision to play or not.

    I'm more interested in finding a good game, in a good setting with good, solid mechanics, decent graphics and a non-toxic community.
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  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    I like when MMO's offer a goof or joke type cutesy race, Like the rolly polly cat dogs ie POPORI in Tera, Gnomes in WOW, Obese people in SWTOR  & The man baby's in FFARR. I don't do the hookers or the leather pants wearing elfs, not because I'm a prude or don't approve it just doesn't seem as fun as rolling a silly character. 

      I don't know if MMO's do better with such characters but i will tell you this, the first thing i do when a new MMO comes out is check the website to see if they have a silly looking race to play.
      
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Characters in any game can look really well done or really strange.  Of course most characters in trailers and promotional pictures usually look really good.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Wargfoot said:
    I've said it before and I'll say it again: Swords the size of surfboards really bother me.
    The first such sword I remember was in original EQ - The Centi Longsword. We often called it "the surfboard." I was ok with its looks because it was my first decent sword. "Decent" being relative, of course.

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  • 45074507 Member UncommonPosts: 351
    All else being equal, I'll actually opt for a game without oversexualized characters over one with loli and stripper races. That being said, I still expect to be able to look good - if I can count the polygons in my hair then it's too far the other way.

    Although I'm not the target market for today's MMO developers - I've never spent so much as a cent on microtransactions and likely never will. I'm happy to pay for the game, but not if it's being sold piecemeal.
  • Tindale111Tindale111 Member UncommonPosts: 276
    well its a good question but i believe it comes down to the game in the end ,ESO is one of the most popular mmos at the moment and its almost impossible to make a sexy character (cough) not that ive tried 
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