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Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2 Team Introduces the Thinbloods Clan - MMORPG.com News

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edited April 2019 in News & Features Discussion

imageVampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2 Team Introduces the Thinbloods Clan - MMORPG.com News

One of the primary features in Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2 is the clans and political factions players will discover. In a brief new video, Paradox Interactive introduces the Thinbloods, the clan that players are part of on joining the game. Thinbloods struggles to survive in a city divided by more well-established, stronger political factions and clans. As a result, Thinbloods have an abysmal survival rate.

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,427
    edited April 2019
    I am not sure you can call them a "clan" that would imply their own bloodline and vampiric progenitor. But it is cannon that the 'blood is getting thinner' and their status is spot on. Good to see its doing great so far.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Is this a single player game?

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Scot said:
    I am not sure you can call them a "clan" that would imply their own bloodline and vampiric progenitor. But it is cannon that the 'blood is getting thinner' and their status is spot on. Good to see its doing great so far.
    My thought too: the whole point of their being Thinbloods is that they are not accepted into any clan, but that never implied anywhere I've read that anyone considered Thinbloods, as a group, to be a clan.


    Puzzling.

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  • RoinRoin Member RarePosts: 3,444

    MadFrenchie said:


    Scot said:

    I am not sure you can call them a "clan" that would imply their own bloodline and vampiric progenitor. But it is cannon that the 'blood is getting thinner' and their status is spot on. Good to see its doing great so far.


    My thought too: the whole point of their being Thinbloods is that they are not accepted into any clan, but that never implied anywhere I've read that anyone considered Thinbloods, as a group, to be a clan.


    Puzzling.



    Could it be that since they are all outcast. They banded together to form their own clan?
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  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,571

    Amathe said:

    Is this a single player game?



    Yeah, single player.
    Amathe
  • EMoneyEMoney Member UncommonPosts: 52

    Roin said:



    MadFrenchie said:




    Scot said:


    I am not sure you can call them a "clan" that would imply their own bloodline and vampiric progenitor. But it is cannon that the 'blood is getting thinner' and their status is spot on. Good to see its doing great so far.




    My thought too: the whole point of their being Thinbloods is that they are not accepted into any clan, but that never implied anywhere I've read that anyone considered Thinbloods, as a group, to be a clan.


    Puzzling.






    Could it be that since they are all outcast. They banded together to form their own clan?



    Typically in VtM canon, there are so few thin bloods and in many cities they're culled with impunity. They're a sign of apocalypse, so not really a big deal group. But in one of the world ending stories, a thin blood rose up and did some stuff, so they have had some impact.

    The new timeline have been established with 5th edition, cause they ended the timeline in the old universe. But this game is apparently in the old timeline?
    MadFrenchieHidekiNomura
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited April 2019
    Roin said:



    Scot said:

    I am not sure you can call them a "clan" that would imply their own bloodline and vampiric progenitor. But it is cannon that the 'blood is getting thinner' and their status is spot on. Good to see its doing great so far.


    My thought too: the whole point of their being Thinbloods is that they are not accepted into any clan, but that never implied anywhere I've read that anyone considered Thinbloods, as a group, to be a clan.


    Puzzling.



    Could it be that since they are all outcast. They banded together to form their own clan?
    It's certainly plausible, in a "necessary to create the experience we wanna create" kinda way.

    It most certainly wouldn't be recognized by the Camarilla, nor Sabbat, nor most vampire organizations.  Maybe the Anarchs would recognize them, but that's likely more out of rebellion against the position of the Camarilla than a genuine love for the idea that Thinbloods are clan vampires.  And the Anarch movement isn't, itself, a clan, and commonly includes Caitiff (full-blooded vampires that do not belong to a clan for any particular reason).

    For vampires, clan has as much to do with the hereditary line you were embraced into as a coalesced ideology, and the manifestation of the expected powers associated with the bloodline is important to be considered a legitimate part of the hereditary line.  Even if Anarchs labeled themselves a clan, or recognized Thinbloods as part of the clans of the vampires who embraced them, it would not be the same kind of accepted clan or clan member as, say, a full-fledged Brujah, who exhibits the same general powers and disadvantages that go along with being a blooded Brujah.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,427
    MadFrenchie said:
    Roin said:



    Scot said:

    I am not sure you can call them a "clan" that would imply their own bloodline and vampiric progenitor. But it is cannon that the 'blood is getting thinner' and their status is spot on. Good to see its doing great so far.


    My thought too: the whole point of their being Thinbloods is that they are not accepted into any clan, but that never implied anywhere I've read that anyone considered Thinbloods, as a group, to be a clan.


    Puzzling.



    Could it be that since they are all outcast. They banded together to form their own clan?
    It's certainly plausible, in a "necessary to create the experience we wanna create" kinda way.

    It most certainly wouldn't be recognized by the Camarilla, nor Sabbat, nor most vampire organizations.  Maybe the Anarchs would recognize them, but that's likely more out of rebellion against the position of the Camarilla than a genuine love for the idea that Thinbloods are clan vampires.  And the Anarch movement isn't, itself, a clan, and commonly includes Caitiff (full-blooded vampires that do not belong to a clan for any particular reason).

    For vampires, clan has as much to do with the hereditary line you were embraced into as a coalesced ideology, and the manifestation of the expected powers associated with the bloodline is important to be considered a legitimate part of the hereditary line.  Even if Anarchs labeled themselves a clan, or recognized Thinbloods as part of the clans of the vampires who embraced them, it would not be the same kind of accepted clan or clan member as, say, a full-fledged Brujah, who exhibits the same general powers and disadvantages that go along with being a blooded Brujah.
    The only issue I have here and it may just be something the designers have not thought of, if you are going to create your own clan name as a group or a leader decides for you; are you going to call your new clan "Thinbloods". That just seems to be asking for a kicking to me. :)

    But it may be one of those gaming things where the dev team did think about it and decided to use something that players would instantly recognise as a concept. There are a lot of "new names" in VtM, like the Caitiff, what does that mean a new player would think?

    Unfortunately we have this design direction where you must be able to understand instantly, no need for training, tutorials or reading about the game.

    The way I would have played this is to say that Thinbloods was forced on them, they may have another name for themselves but this is a dismissive term for vampires the true clans would prefer died out.
    MadFrenchie
  • ThaneThane Member EpicPosts: 3,534

    Amathe said:

    Is this a single player game?



    some devs are lazy af, and wait for modders to do their work ;)

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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060
    Thane said:

    Amathe said:

    Is this a single player game?



    some devs are lazy af, and wait for modders to do their work ;)
    I don't see the connection between these two statements.
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  • BladeburaibaBladeburaiba Member UncommonPosts: 134

    Scot said:


    MadFrenchie said:


    Roin said:







    Scot said:


    I am not sure you can call them a "clan" that would imply their own bloodline and vampiric progenitor. But it is cannon that the 'blood is getting thinner' and their status is spot on. Good to see its doing great so far.




    My thought too: the whole point of their being Thinbloods is that they are not accepted into any clan, but that never implied anywhere I've read that anyone considered Thinbloods, as a group, to be a clan.


    Puzzling.






    Could it be that since they are all outcast. They banded together to form their own clan?


    It's certainly plausible, in a "necessary to create the experience we wanna create" kinda way.

    It most certainly wouldn't be recognized by the Camarilla, nor Sabbat, nor most vampire organizations.  Maybe the Anarchs would recognize them, but that's likely more out of rebellion against the position of the Camarilla than a genuine love for the idea that Thinbloods are clan vampires.  And the Anarch movement isn't, itself, a clan, and commonly includes Caitiff (full-blooded vampires that do not belong to a clan for any particular reason).

    For vampires, clan has as much to do with the hereditary line you were embraced into as a coalesced ideology, and the manifestation of the expected powers associated with the bloodline is important to be considered a legitimate part of the hereditary line.  Even if Anarchs labeled themselves a clan, or recognized Thinbloods as part of the clans of the vampires who embraced them, it would not be the same kind of accepted clan or clan member as, say, a full-fledged Brujah, who exhibits the same general powers and disadvantages that go along with being a blooded Brujah.

    The only issue I have here and it may just be something the designers have not thought of, if you are going to create your own clan name as a group or a leader decides for you; are you going to call your new clan "Thinbloods". That just seems to be asking for a kicking to me. :)

    But it may be one of those gaming things where the dev team did think about it and decided to use something that players would instantly recognise as a concept. There are a lot of "new names" in VtM, like the Caitiff, what does that mean a new player would think?

    Unfortunately we have this design direction where you must be able to understand instantly, no need for training, tutorials or reading about the game.

    The way I would have played this is to say that Thinbloods was forced on them, they may have another name for themselves but this is a dismissive term for vampires the true clans would prefer died out.



    It has happened often enough in history that a group will claim or re-claim a derogatory name as a show of defiance and power.

    # Some people calling each other "nigga"
    # The religious terms like "Quaker" and "Jesuit" were originally insults
    # Queer is the "Q" in the LGBTQ term some people use to describe themselves
    # Pie rat referring to rats that ate people's pies turned into Pirate (ok, I just made this up)
    # Believe it or not I googled it and "Impressionist" was used to ridicule artists for not be serious enough with their paintings

    So, a lot of life is wonderfully the opposite of what you would think. Much like how I dislike vampires but am interested in this game for some reason.
    MadFrenchie
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited May 2019
    Scot said:

    The only issue I have here and it may just be something the designers have not thought of, if you are going to create your own clan name as a group or a leader decides for you; are you going to call your new clan "Thinbloods". That just seems to be asking for a kicking to me. :)

    But it may be one of those gaming things where the dev team did think about it and decided to use something that players would instantly recognise as a concept. There are a lot of "new names" in VtM, like the Caitiff, what does that mean a new player would think?

    Unfortunately we have this design direction where you must be able to understand instantly, no need for training, tutorials or reading about the game.

    The way I would have played this is to say that Thinbloods was forced on them, they may have another name for themselves but this is a dismissive term for vampires the true clans would prefer died out.
    Haha yes, one might think they would shed the name, but maybe @Bladeburaiba is onto something.       

    @Xasapis brought up an interesting point in the Tremere thread: maybe these Thinbloods have found a way to consume vampire vitae and yet still resist or repeatedly break the blood bond.  If that was the case, and they actually started to be feared, they could keep the namesake and change its connotation.
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  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    MadFrenchie said:
    Scot said:

    The only issue I have here and it may just be something the designers have not thought of, if you are going to create your own clan name as a group or a leader decides for you; are you going to call your new clan "Thinbloods". That just seems to be asking for a kicking to me. :)

    But it may be one of those gaming things where the dev team did think about it and decided to use something that players would instantly recognise as a concept. There are a lot of "new names" in VtM, like the Caitiff, what does that mean a new player would think?

    Unfortunately we have this design direction where you must be able to understand instantly, no need for training, tutorials or reading about the game.

    The way I would have played this is to say that Thinbloods was forced on them, they may have another name for themselves but this is a dismissive term for vampires the true clans would prefer died out.
    Haha yes, one might think they would shed the name, but maybe @Bladeburaiba is onto something.       

    @Xasapis brought up an interesting point in the Tremere thread: maybe these Thinbloods have found a way to consume vampire vitae and yet still resist or repeatedly break the blood bond.  If that was the case, and they actually started to be feared, they could keep the namesake and change its connotation.
    Isn't it a single player game? If so, why do you need to be aware that you are getting manipulated or controlled? I'm not very versed into the actual stories written about the VtM, but how invasive does the bond need to be?
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