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Dungeons & Dragons Online Expands with Masterminds of Sharn - MMORPG.com

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The Masterminds of Sharn expansion has now arrived in Dungeons & Dragons Online after today's update. Players will be exploring one of the most iconic cities in D&D lore, Sharn. The expansion brings players sixteen dungeons, a new raid and a public area as well as the underground wilderness location called The Cogs. Guest dungeon masters participated in creating the content including Keith Baker, Ruty Rutenberg and Kyle Vogt.

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  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member RarePosts: 1,130
    I got this but I'm not as excited for it as I should be. I still have a bunch of necessary reincarnations to do for the racial reincarnations, which are extremely powerful, and now there is a new rcae, iconic class, etc.

    That's kind of where I have been with a lot of mmorpgs lately. At some point this horrible grind was included as a way to progress your character's power. An overwhelming grind. Guild War 2, DCUO, ESO, etc, I'll try and give them a try and its just overwhelming knowing I have to clear every piece of content and do annoying loot hunts to progress my character's power. I log in and instead of being excited to play I just look at all the huge maps I have left to grind and log out.

    Out of all these, DDO has theybest chance to fix this by just consolidating and putting reasonable caps on the amount of reincarnation grind. Kind of like how the epic levels work. You can grind them all for the active buff selection, but the main benefit is gained by slecting and grinding out the main ones you want and is far more reasonable than the racial reincarnations which require each race three times for significant power gain.

    Of course, I could just be less OCD and just play to enjoy it like most people do, but that's not how it works out for me and it wouldn't be OCD then. I liked the old way mmorpgs used to be when you hit cap you stopped character development and just worked on gear.

    But this is a side rant, as this is a good expansion especially content wise. Daybreak has really stepped up their game with regards to DDO.
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    strange for the reincarnation rush you normally rush the same quests over and over on epic for the xp the 20 first lvls are pretty easy to do, if you have the premium, and these quests are pretty damn soloable, helpfull if you have friends and not sell some equips during your lvling so you can use asap, after the 20 then yes is a chore,

    unless of course you are saying the reicarnation item grind, then yes its annoying.

    plus if you can play the same class over and over from lvl 1 to 20 just do a lesser reincarnation before the true reincarnation, doing so will help in lvling that class you don't like or just want to play one class anyway


    now saying its a good expansion, we need to see it first before anything, and see what else did change
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    blamo2000 said:
    I got this but I'm not as excited for it as I should be. I still have a bunch of necessary reincarnations to do for the racial reincarnations, which are extremely powerful, and now there is a new rcae, iconic class, etc.

    That's kind of where I have been with a lot of mmorpgs lately. At some point this horrible grind was included as a way to progress your character's power. An overwhelming grind. Guild War 2, DCUO, ESO, etc, I'll try and give them a try and its just overwhelming knowing I have to clear every piece of content and do annoying loot hunts to progress my character's power. I log in and instead of being excited to play I just look at all the huge maps I have left to grind and log out.

    Out of all these, DDO has theybest chance to fix this by just consolidating and putting reasonable caps on the amount of reincarnation grind. Kind of like how the epic levels work. You can grind them all for the active buff selection, but the main benefit is gained by slecting and grinding out the main ones you want and is far more reasonable than the racial reincarnations which require each race three times for significant power gain.

    Of course, I could just be less OCD and just play to enjoy it like most people do, but that's not how it works out for me and it wouldn't be OCD then. I liked the old way mmorpgs used to be when you hit cap you stopped character development and just worked on gear.

    But this is a side rant, as this is a good expansion especially content wise. Daybreak has really stepped up their game with regards to DDO.
    Not gonna defend DDO on this, as that reincarnation grind is insane, but, to be fair, they have been doing that whole reincarnation grind since 2009, it's not a new thing, they just keep adding to it.
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  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member RarePosts: 1,130
    Ungood said:

    Not gonna defend DDO on this, as that reincarnation grind is insane, but, to be fair, they have been doing that whole reincarnation grind since 2009, it's not a new thing, they just keep adding to it.
    When I got back into DDO the amount of power you got from doing the class completionist didn't feel necessary or a huge draw to me.

    I did some of it for certain skills, and added more as needed (like ranger for the +6 damage for ranged when I wanted to switch to range, etc).  All the other types of reincarnation were limited and had decent benefits for doing it, but nothing that felt necessary beyond getting three for the iconics for stances that I planned on having on, getting more twists, etc.  Some where added that had good shit you could immediately benefit from for all the possible builds I'd be interested in like I think the gnome iconic gave 3 MRR with each reincarnation, PDK gave something like 3 PRR, etc.  The shadar-ki at least used to have one that just didn't appeal to me, etc.

    Racial reincarnation gives you +1 stat, and +1 racial skill tree point.  Off hand I don't remember all the races, but I am almost positive there is more than 10.  You have to do each three times for the skill tree point.  I currently have like three races down and am on the second for the fourth.

    I think there are at least 7 more races, maybe 8 now.  So that's 22 or 25 more reincarnations.  That's just a huge hassle.  Nevermind the new iconic has good shit so that brings it up by 3 more.

    And, with me specifically and I'm not talking about other people that don't have my brand of OCD, that's what I need before I consider myself to be ready to do end-game content and focus on that aspect of the game.

    "now saying its a good expansion, we need to see it first before anything, and see what else did change" 

    You are correct, but the people that did try it didn't complain about the content or design other than bugs (during the testing) that I've seen.  
  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,485
    edited May 2019
    Why is that video above so amateurish? What did they do to this game? I was gonna check it out after all these years, till I watched this video. Honest review tbh.
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  • GameolioDanGameolioDan Member UncommonPosts: 50
    I'm still fairly young to DDO, but does anyone know what level you need to be to access this content?
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    I'm still fairly young to DDO, but does anyone know what level you need to be to access this content?
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  • WizbuizWizbuiz Member UncommonPosts: 215
    they should have made a sandbox mmorpg with forgotten realm settings.
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  • bartoni33bartoni33 Member RarePosts: 2,044

    Tiller said:

    Why is that video above so amateurish? What did they do to this game? I was gonna check it out after all these years, till I watched this video. Honest review tbh.





    This wins the most ironic post award today. Complaining about one video being "amateurish" while posting a video that is literally sub-amateur garbage is hilarious. Off topic I know but it made me actually LOL.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,936
    edited May 2019
    Tiller said:
    Why is that video above so amateurish? What did they do to this game? I was gonna check it out after all these years, till I watched this video. Honest review tbh. 
    First of all, crappy review. 

    I think the reviewer sums it up nicely "I don't know what any of this sh*t is ... "

    If one doesn't know what one is looking at then one can't really give a good review. There are definitely criticisms but one must keep things in perpsective. It's an old game that presents its content in a different way than most themepark mmorpg's.

    This one seems a bit more grownup.


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  • NeblessNebless Member RarePosts: 1,877
    edited May 2019
    Wizbuiz said:
    they should have made a sandbox mmorpg with forgotten realm settings.
    While not sandbox, DDO has an expansion set in FR and all of Neverwinter is, although that's about all the D&D in NW, it's setting and race names.  Otherwise it's just a normal MMO.

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  • NeblessNebless Member RarePosts: 1,877
    Tiller said:
    Why is that video above so amateurish? What did they do to this game? 
    It's been sped up, but otherwise than that, what was amaterurish about it?  That's how the game looks.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,936
    Nebless said:
    Tiller said:
    Why is that video above so amateurish? What did they do to this game? 
    It's been sped up, but otherwise than that, what was amaterurish about it?  That's how the game looks.
    I think he's referring to the reviewer.
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    me if oyu never even played or at lest is savy with D&D system things will look strange, in DDO I think they give too much power to arcane casters and the possibility of getting mana back on reaper difficult give that too much.

    ddo is almost unplayable if you don't have at least paid for something so it can free up most locks, but having premium is a must to get content, even buying some expansions don't give you much access
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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,485
    edited May 2019
    bartoni33 said:

    Tiller said:

    Why is that video above so amateurish? What did they do to this game? I was gonna check it out after all these years, till I watched this video. Honest review tbh.





    This wins the most ironic post award today. Complaining about one video being "amateurish" while posting a video that is literally sub-amateur garbage is hilarious. Off topic I know but it made me actually LOL.





    I wasn't highlighting his wise cracks by posting the video, I was pointing out the overly excessive use of MT and premium content and how almost everything that looks fun is locked behind a paywall with this game now. I played when it when it first launched and while it wasn't the best MMO ever made, it was OK for a pay to play. I even tried it again when it went F2P, and again not much in the way of premium content lock-down. Now? Honestly it looks almost unplayable as a free game.
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  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member RarePosts: 1,130
    me if oyu never even played or at lest is savy with D&D system things will look strange, in DDO I think they give too much power to arcane casters and the possibility of getting mana back on reaper difficult give that too much.

    ddo is almost unplayable if you don't have at least paid for something so it can free up most locks, but having premium is a must to get content, even buying some expansions don't give you much access
    I have to disagree with this.  I agree for a lot of normal people this is true.  But DDO seems to attract tons of crazy people.

    The person I usually end up playing with pride's himself on never spending a dime on it, and his character is far more advanced than mine.  Most of the people in my guild are F2P players.  Most of them have characters that can clear most content solo on reaper while grinding lives, while I have to switch down around lvl 8 or so.  

    Is it far more of a pain?  Sure.  But this is this only mmorpg I've spent significant sums of money on and see my complaints above.  I once posted in the forum that I'd spend a lot more if any of their experience gems brought me to 20, or from 20 to cap for epic.  Half way is useless.  Its ridiculous sucky p2w that doesn't allow me to exploit myself or my impatience.  I'm not spending money to get part way there.  I was brutally attacked on their forums for daring to want an easier time grinding through lives.  Or not easier - instant time is what I was asking for.  I still don't understand why people wouldn't want this.  

    I think it takes a special kind of person to play DDO in either F2P or subbing.  My friend also gave me the highest level UMD skill book for free because according to him he has a bunch of them.  He also has high thousands of those shard things.  This game really rewards patient people willing to learn, research, and exploit the game.  

    The funny thing is I am drawn to DDO for their character development - he is drawn by their weird F2P model.  One huge drawback he has that I don't is that he can only get content once it goes for TP in the store, so if we were even before an expansion I'd immediately pull ahead and be months ahead in theory.  But, since the new content involves having to grind out lives and iconics, that is where he shines - he milks every life for every TP.   There is some things I have that I think he never will have he told me - I think a one racial skill point tome, and one general skill point tome - its minimal but I guess you only get them when you buy an expansion with cash, and not the versions they have for TP through the store.  I am not 100% sure if I named the right items, so don't hold me to this.   
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