Guys, I do this all the time. On Valentine's day, I hang out with her and don't do nuthin'. By the time I drop her off, she'll be like "I justed wanted a card, asshole!" Then she walks into her house and there's a spread in the living room. Later, I get the special.
Set their expectations low, and totally overachieve. It gets them every time. Just don't let it happen to you.
Its painful to see how little you know of the actual game or what has been added.
It's painful to see that people like you and SBFord are from the group that is responsible for letting developers releasing unfinished products. And now you saying that we should kiss their asses for delivering promised product after this time?
This industry is in this pathethic state because of you.
WTF is worng with you people.
You are looking at this situation from the wrong angle. I would agree with you if the game in question was Destiny 2 or Fallout 76, etc. where the company releases a half assed game and make you pay for "new" content that fixes the game. After all this time since it launched, Hello Games fixed NMS and added even more without making you pay for anything extra.
1. You didn't like fallout 76? well wah, several hundred thousand other people did.
2. Never forget what? That you have a different opinion? Great snowflake, we all do.
1. I'm gonna say this clear: this several hundred thousand other people liked completely unfinished and horrendously bugged product. Let that sink in.
2. Never forget, that this site gave 7/10 to product described above. "Different opinion" and "snowflake", nice try.
Yeah, it is all just your opinion, many others disagree. I do not need to let anything sink in. So I am not sure why you think 7/10 is significant, people like and play FO76 right now, you don't like it, well sorry snowflake then move along, that discussion is in a different forum. This discussion is about No Mans Sky, a game you obviously know nothing about.
Unless you want to discuss NMS, then move along, there is nothing for you here.
I have entered a surreal world...I look forward to punters putting up a billboard for Bless, Fallout 76 and Anthem in the coming year, thanking the developers for their tireless efforts.
Alternatively I can think of a few things in the real world players might want to put on billboards outside their offices right now.
If they actually finish those games and add content far beyond what was talked about prior to game release for free, then yeah they would deserve accolades.
I don't understand how people here are so thick they can't get the concept through their heads.
Hello Games failed to deliver a complete product at launch. Much like many other games.
Instead of taking the money and running, they stuck to it and not only, eventually, delivered what they said they would, but they also delivered far more. FOR FREE.
No one has done that.
What the supporters are saying is: Thank you, most (as history proves) would have shuttered the studio and walked, HG didn't. It's an amazingly simple concept that you just can't seem to get your head around.
Encouraging and supporting studios that actually see a game through to the end is a good thing. No one is saying they didn't make a mistake, what they are saying is they went beyond just atoning for their mistake. We all wish they would have released a game with all the features they advertised.
It's people like you that will make releasing shit an acceptable norm, if you put people in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, they will just take the money and run. It is important to support a studio that is willing to finish a game.
They could have gave up took the L and disappeared. Instead they turned the game around and made it into everything the people expected and then some. It IS commendable.
I wonder if the weirdos going extra hard at Hello Games are this rigid with the imbecile they vot... never mind. I already know the answer. *Falls back*
the lowest unemployment rate in years...recovering economy...LMAO
Looks at 401k, asset manager, tax returns, whinging farmers and truckers, increased overseas telecom fraud, the flourishing opioid manufacturers, and the 448 page pdf... LMAO indeed.
Alas, lets get back to how the evil incarnate Hello Games lied to us and ripped our lives apart and can never be forgiven no matter what they do.
Yeah, I can do the same thing, sorry you are in a shit industry. Truckers are only whining because there are not enough of them, I know this, I worked in that industry long enough to understand that issue. Your 401K is tanked, lol again, sorry you don't know how to invest. Blame whomever you want, that is all you. 448 page pdf of what? No criminal charges? yup good point there.
LMAO, agreed.
"Sorry you are in a shit industry" "Sorry you do don't know how to invest"
I'm supposed to believe you know what you're talking about, when you state mentally regressed garbage like this?
Look at you, out the gate you can't even formulate a response that makes one iota of sense. Unsubstantiated uneducated buffoonery. No wonder.
This was your big opportunity and you blew it. Go find a rally and do your cro-magnon yaaah'ing there.
Let's stop derailing the thread, your responses sure as hell ain't worth the fallout .
So, what I read here was: Hatefull nailed it on the head and I regret my life decisions. Sorry about your luck. You were the one crying about your401K, not I, you are the crying about the U.S. President, not I. I extrapolated what I could from your sweet sweet tears, and came up with this, you are in business yet you don't understand it.
But you are correct on one aspect, let's stop derailing this thread, feel free to PM me if you want some sound financial advice.
LMAO
Why would I ask advice from an assumption making ruhtard? Please provide your findings:
What industry do I work in?
How does my 401k work?
You're claiming I'M "crying" when you didn't even have the wherewithal to leave a subliminal conversation subliminal. Who couldn't stomach quietly veiled attacks at dein anführer and had the outburst?
Next time take it like man, and I hope you signed that birthday card.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
This is the sad state of the game development industry and of game development journalism. Raising funds for a billboard to celebrate them doing their job? Them finishing the game years after launch while charging full price? That deserves praise? Not to mention all free marketing and publicity for this stunt. Oh, they donated the remaining funds? Great. Maybe should have donated all the funds instead of spending money on this publicity stunt.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves, especially about the last line of the article, sounds like Sean Murray wrote it.
Man, did you all forget that story when their studios "flooded" and they had no "backups?"
you do realise that actually happened right? Suggesting that facts that do not reinforce your views are lies is the only thing to be ashamed of, and that doesn’t fall on Sean but on you.
And they aren’t affiliated with the stunt so you can scratch that “argument” too.
And thirdly, just to completely nulify your post, it isn’t about them finishing the game, it has only been said about a hundred times in this thread alone. Its about them going the extra mile, and another one, and another one. All free of charge, no complaining, no fingerpointing. That is what it is about. So, that part of your post also holds no merit.
With all that being said, I think the fundraising is silly, but why not? Money is spent on more idiotic stuff without one cent going to charity.
I am really surprised by the broken records in this thread that just keep repeating the same stuff without any consideration of facts or which party is responsible for what or what has been going on since launch. I mean, opinions are fine and I get the initial reaction but man, opinions based on things that just aren’t true aren’t really valid opinions at all.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Offices flooding happen, but how do you not have backups of your work?
"Free of charge?" I'm sorry, but did people not buy the game? There is a horrible trend happening in the game development industry. Praising for "free patches," I mean, are people serious when they type these things out? Post-launch support for software should be standard.
Maybe sell a completed game first before you give them credit for going the "extra mile."
This is the sad state of the game development industry and of game development journalism. Raising funds for a billboard to celebrate them doing their job? Them finishing the game years after launch while charging full price? That deserves praise? Not to mention all free marketing and publicity for this stunt. Oh, they donated the remaining funds? Great. Maybe should have donated all the funds instead of spending money on this publicity stunt.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves, especially about the last line of the article, sounds like Sean Murray wrote it.
Man, did you all forget that story when their studios "flooded" and they had no "backups?"
you do realise that actually happened right? Suggesting that facts that do not reinforce your views are lies is the only thing to be ashamed of, and that doesn’t fall on Sean but on you.
And they aren’t affiliated with the stunt so you can scratch that “argument” too.
And thirdly, just to completely nulify your post, it isn’t about them finishing the game, it has only been said about a hundred times in this thread alone. Its about them going the extra mile, and another one, and another one. All free of charge, no complaining, no fingerpointing. That is what it is about. So, that part of your post also holds no merit.
With all that being said, I think the fundraising is silly, but why not? Money is spent on more idiotic stuff without one cent going to charity.
I am really surprised by the broken records in this thread that just keep repeating the same stuff without any consideration of facts or which party is responsible for what or what has been going on since launch. I mean, opinions are fine and I get the initial reaction but man, opinions based on things that just aren’t true aren’t really valid opinions at all.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Offices flooding happen, but how do you not have backups of your work?
"Free of charge?" I'm sorry, but did people not buy the game? There is a horrible trend happening in the game development industry. Praising for "free patches," I mean, are people serious when they type these things out? Post-launch support for software should be standard.
Maybe sell a completed game first before you give them credit for going the "extra mile."
I am surprised about the flooding part of the story, they had no off site back up? To me regardless of what happened they have to take some of the blame. Yes, they have recognised what they released was not good enough and unlike so many others kept at it until a decent game was there.
A nod to them for doing that, but is a billboard praising them not going too far? For that they would have had to given players the game they were expecting and then added stuff on for free.
I may get NMS but the earliest now would be end of the year, and anything new from them, well wait for the reviews, that's what you always should do no matter the studio.
Like I said previously, I think Hello Games absolutely exaggerated their launch offerings, but even more so I think the expectations went nuclear once game and brand marketing hit mainstream outlets.
You can tell once the hot lamps were on Sean Murray he let it fly and couldn't take it back.The utter butchering (yet expected) Hello Games went through afterwards, has caused other studio leads from bigger companies to bow out or go full orange alert on social platforms.
They quietly stuck it out, and made the game into every thing it was meant to be and then some. The game spoke for itself. There should be no debate on that. So when the fans make a gesture to say "hey guys, thank you"; I don't understand why even attempt to re-shred Hello Games.
The point was, anybody that rigid and unforgiving I hope you're holding that same energy where it matters most.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
Like I said previously, I think Hello Games absolutely exaggerated their launch offerings, but even more so I think the expectations went nuclear once game and brand marketing hit mainstream outlets.
You can tell once the hot lamps were on Sean Murray he let it fly and couldn't take it back.The utter butchering (yet expected) Hello Games went through afterwards, has caused other studio leads from bigger companies to bow out or go full orange alert on social platforms.
They quietly stuck it out, and made the game into every thing it was meant to be and then some. The game spoke for itself. There should be no debate on that. So when the fans make a gesture to say "hey guys, thank you"; I don't understand why even attempt to re-shred Hello Games.
The point was, anybody that rigid and unforgiving I hope you're holding that same energy where it matters most.
I was aware of and watching NMS for a long time before launch so I saw the evolution of the "you can see other players" message from beginning to end. It was ALWAYS a question asked of Sean by the interviewer and in the early responses he downplayed its importance in the NMS grand scheme of things by emphasizing how unlikely it would be for it to even happen given the humongousness of the game universe and randomized starting positions. I always got the impression that multiplayer was not something that interested HG much at that stage. It certainly wasn't what he wanted to talk about.
But the games media doing the interviews was relentless in their pursuit of NMS' multiplayer - sign of the times I guess where every fucking game MUST BE multiplayer. Sean came to expect that question and somewhere along the line I got the impression that they had come to accept the multiplayer expectation and promoted it up a couple of notches in their features to-do list. It was clear though that it was other parts of the game he really wanted to showcase.
Towards the end of the pre-launch period around crunch time. He did indeed begin to clearly state that yes, you could see others. That message had become so clear that when they launched without that they should have gone way out of their way to let everyone know that it would be coming later but was not in now... especially considering how obsessed everyone had become with NMS MP. They did do that a tiny bit but not nearly soon or loudly enough.
That was how I saw the whole "He lied!" thing and frankly I didn't give a shit since like Sean and HG. I really did not give a crap about the MP aspect because unlike the socially hyperconnected masses I do want to play single player games just as much as I always have - I don't NEED every game to be MP and especially not games that are not designed around MP.
IMO NMS was a good game then and a better one now without any DLC milking to get you from game state A to game state B. This is a good thing.
But... and a BIG BUT to me, it's also not a never before seen good thing. In fact before megacorps acquired control of most game development and turned most of them into golden egg laying geese (or wannabe geese anyway) with paid DLCs up the wazoo that good thing was the normal and expected thing. Not only were games patched for free, many extras were routinely added with those free patches.
That people feel that when a game developer does that these days they deserve a 10 foot billboard singing their praises is just a sign of how incredibly goofy the company/consumer relationship has become in gaming today.
All my life merchants have been thanking me for buying from them. At lkeast in gaming it seems to me that those expectations have been turned around. "Thank you for allowing me to give you $180 for your game and its patches for the next year... thanks again!"... goofy shit.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Guys, I do this all the time. On Valentine's day, I hang out with her and don't do nuthin'. By the time I drop her off, she'll be like "I justed wanted a card, asshole!" Then she walks into her house and there's a spread in the living room. Later, I get the special.
Set their expectations low, and totally overachieve. It gets them every time. Just don't let it happen to you.
Thanks for that advice dude, at MMORPG.com, first for all your relationship needs.
It's a great gesture because so many companies promise a game that never comes to fruition, or doesn't even make it to development, and we, the gamers, get screwed.
One company out of hundreds or thousands, finally didn't just take their customer's money after delivering a turd. They actually polished that turd up nice and shiny, and gave most what they promised.
It's a miracle! HALLELUJAH!!! Some gamers feel they hit the lottery!
So quickly we forget the warnings of early access and kickstarting. We all know better. If you put money in before a product is finished, you should realize you may not get what you imagine. I always view it as a gamble or almost akin to a donation toward a cool idea. These are no longer new concepts. We need to stop the belly-aching.
Maybe EA and funding should adopt a half now (Alpha stages); /half after beta/release approach (optional). Would that stop the endless whining? Sadly, no.
Some fans did a cool thing to support people that made a cool thing. Good for them. At least I’m not reading about someone hurting others at a gaming con or a random shooting.
Its painful to see how little you know of the actual game or what has been added.
It's painful to see that people like you and SBFord are from the group that is responsible for letting developers releasing unfinished products. And now you saying that we should kiss their asses for delivering promised product after this time?
This industry is in this pathethic state because of you.
WTF is worng with you people.
You are looking at this situation from the wrong angle. I would agree with you if the game in question was Destiny 2 or Fallout 76, etc. where the company releases a half assed game and make you pay for "new" content that fixes the game. After all this time since it launched, Hello Games fixed NMS and added even more without making you pay for anything extra.
Just a point of information: I don't recall 76 making anyone pay for the updates they're giving.
Wastelanders will be free as was Wild Appalachia. It will add NPCs later this year, and I don't think the rest of the updates already given have cost anyone anything.
I get FO76 was a travesty too, but let's not misrepresent the post-launch efforts of any of the titles here. That's kind of the point of the ongoing discussion, I think.
It's funny watching all the negative posters here going off without a clue about what they have done with the game since release for free. Check your facts then speak maybe? You can make amends and then still give even more. That is when you get a thank you like this.
I'm just amazed how many people thought something like this was a good way to say thank you. Seems more like . . . how can we be show our appreciation . . . and get on the news at the same time . . .
I would have prefered cash for development or a gift basket. But hey, show your thanks by giving $3k to A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE.
Try donating to a charity under the companies name maybe?
Its painful to see how little you know of the actual game or what has been added.
It's painful to see that people like you and SBFord are from the group that is responsible for letting developers releasing unfinished products. And now you saying that we should kiss their asses for delivering promised product after this time?
This industry is in this pathethic state because of you.
WTF is worng with you people.
You are looking at this situation from the wrong angle. I would agree with you if the game in question was Destiny 2 or Fallout 76, etc. where the company releases a half assed game and make you pay for "new" content that fixes the game. After all this time since it launched, Hello Games fixed NMS and added even more without making you pay for anything extra.
Just a point of information: I don't recall 76 making anyone pay for the updates they're giving.
Wastelanders will be free as was Wild Appalachia. It will add NPCs later this year, and I don't think the rest of the updates already given have cost anyone anything.
I get FO76 was a travesty too, but let's not misrepresent the post-launch efforts of any of the titles here. That's kind of the point of the ongoing discussion, I think.
Don't agree you can compare NMS and Fallout 76 on equal footing. NMS was playable but people complained that it lacked promised content. Murry apologized and then set to improve the game with little fanfare. 76 was a hot buggy mess out the door and the developers shit the bed with many attempts to fix it. All the while acting like recalcitrant assholes up until recently. I'm willing to give Sean Murry a pass but tech dude bro Todd Howard and the rest of his clown circus can go soak their heads in the Bog of Eternal Stench.
Be that as it may, the post launch updates have been completely free.
It's still merely Fallout 4 with NPCs replaced by multiplayer. But it's Fallout 4 with NPCs replaced by multiplayer with free updates.
Still, I see it as a fantastic gesture from the community. You know, it's called people performing a good deed? Doing something for nothing? Expressing gratitude for a job well done?
Hello Games could have ditched NMS completely. Then you might have had a legit complaint. Instead, they stuck it out and have made an incredible game.
PS I think we need both an "eye roll" and a "facepalm" emoji here. LOL!
I can't believe what I'm reading.
People shouldn't "expressing gratitude for a job well done", because in this case it should be more of a "It's about fucking time!" and not kissing their asses for lying customers.
Take off your pink naif glasses.
"I think we need both an "eye roll" and a "facepalm" emoji here. LOL!"
Save that kind of bullshit for pathethic 7/10 for Fallout 76 crap.
What a Matrix...
This attitude actually makes developers not give a shit.
All these are good gesture... but my question is how come no one did the same with Division 2 or even Elite Dangerous?
Division 2 especially was everything as delivered at launch and they've already added stacks of contents for free since...
I guess too much of a good thing ppl just get's spoiled. Lol
I feel it has a lot to do with the cultish fan following for NMS. The same group that got over excited and hyped this game as the next messiah, and then were outraged when the game couldn't live up to their expectations.
Those are two different groups of people and you would know that if you checked the social media sites where the community exists (reddit, discord, twitter).
Do you know what a cult is? It's a community of gamers having fun that you're not a part of.
They coulda just charged for dlc that fixed the game like every other triple A company I think this is where a lot of the appreciation comes from they didn't shaft people with these fixes.
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- What industry do I work in?
- How does my 401k work?
You're claiming I'M "crying" when you didn't even have the wherewithal to leave a subliminal conversation subliminal. Who couldn't stomach quietly veiled attacks at dein anführer and had the outburst?Next time take it like man, and I hope you signed that birthday card.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Offices flooding happen, but how do you not have backups of your work?
"Free of charge?" I'm sorry, but did people not buy the game? There is a horrible trend happening in the game development industry. Praising for "free patches," I mean, are people serious when they type these things out? Post-launch support for software should be standard.
Maybe sell a completed game first before you give them credit for going the "extra mile."
A nod to them for doing that, but is a billboard praising them not going too far? For that they would have had to given players the game they were expecting and then added stuff on for free.
I may get NMS but the earliest now would be end of the year, and anything new from them, well wait for the reviews, that's what you always should do no matter the studio.
You can tell once the hot lamps were on Sean Murray he let it fly and couldn't take it back.The utter butchering (yet expected) Hello Games went through afterwards, has caused other studio leads from bigger companies to bow out or go full orange alert on social platforms.
They quietly stuck it out, and made the game into every thing it was meant to be and then some. The game spoke for itself. There should be no debate on that. So when the fans make a gesture to say "hey guys, thank you"; I don't understand why even attempt to re-shred Hello Games.
The point was, anybody that rigid and unforgiving I hope you're holding that same energy where it matters most.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But the games media doing the interviews was relentless in their pursuit of NMS' multiplayer - sign of the times I guess where every fucking game MUST BE multiplayer. Sean came to expect that question and somewhere along the line I got the impression that they had come to accept the multiplayer expectation and promoted it up a couple of notches in their features to-do list. It was clear though that it was other parts of the game he really wanted to showcase.
Towards the end of the pre-launch period around crunch time. He did indeed begin to clearly state that yes, you could see others. That message had become so clear that when they launched without that they should have gone way out of their way to let everyone know that it would be coming later but was not in now... especially considering how obsessed everyone had become with NMS MP. They did do that a tiny bit but not nearly soon or loudly enough.
That was how I saw the whole "He lied!" thing and frankly I didn't give a shit since like Sean and HG. I really did not give a crap about the MP aspect because unlike the socially hyperconnected masses I do want to play single player games just as much as I always have - I don't NEED every game to be MP and especially not games that are not designed around MP.
IMO NMS was a good game then and a better one now without any DLC milking to get you from game state A to game state B. This is a good thing.
But... and a BIG BUT to me, it's also not a never before seen good thing. In fact before megacorps acquired control of most game development and turned most of them into golden egg laying geese (or wannabe geese anyway) with paid DLCs up the wazoo that good thing was the normal and expected thing. Not only were games patched for free, many extras were routinely added with those free patches.
That people feel that when a game developer does that these days they deserve a 10 foot billboard singing their praises is just a sign of how incredibly goofy the company/consumer relationship has become in gaming today.
All my life merchants have been thanking me for buying from them. At lkeast in gaming it seems to me that those expectations have been turned around. "Thank you for allowing me to give you $180 for your game and its patches for the next year... thanks again!"... goofy shit.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
One company out of hundreds or thousands, finally didn't just take their customer's money after delivering a turd. They actually polished that turd up nice and shiny, and gave most what they promised.
It's a miracle! HALLELUJAH!!! Some gamers feel they hit the lottery!
Maybe EA and funding should adopt a half now (Alpha stages); /half after beta/release approach (optional). Would that stop the endless whining? Sadly, no.
Some fans did a cool thing to support people that made a cool thing. Good for them. At least I’m not reading about someone hurting others at a gaming con or a random shooting.
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Wastelanders will be free as was Wild Appalachia. It will add NPCs later this year, and I don't think the rest of the updates already given have cost anyone anything.
I get FO76 was a travesty too, but let's not misrepresent the post-launch efforts of any of the titles here. That's kind of the point of the ongoing discussion, I think.
I'm just amazed how many people thought something like this was a good way to say thank you. Seems more like . . . how can we be show our appreciation . . . and get on the news at the same time . . .
I would have prefered cash for development or a gift basket. But hey, show your thanks by giving $3k to A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE.
Try donating to a charity under the companies name maybe?
It's still merely Fallout 4 with NPCs replaced by multiplayer. But it's Fallout 4 with NPCs replaced by multiplayer with free updates.