um, don't leave us hanging, what did you do about the shampoo!?!?!?!?
Funny you should ask. After much searching there appeared to be a Classic Head & Shoulders. Problem solved, no? No. There is a Classic Clean Collection, with three different kinds!
So I basically did the shampoo equivalent of rage quitting, went home empty handed, and asked my wife to please get something next week. I'm using whatever she picked. Can't even bear to read the label.
Lat time I was in your predicament I happened to see a cheap jumbo bottle of horse shampoo (one of the perks of living in a semi-rural suburb) and went with it. It seems to work well on us humans too... take that overly specific shampoo coorp.
I was going to tell him to read the ingredients because they're all the same, much like MMOs. Just pick one you think smells nice and pretend it's better than the rest, much like MMOs.
Yeah. The horsey stuff works just fine. Although I have to say I have been eating more carrots and apples than normal lately.
Had a girlfriend once who told me horse shampoo helped strengthen hair fibers... Yet she always had fly-aways.
Y'know what the best thing is for your hair fibers? Not inundating them with chemicals every day.
um, don't leave us hanging, what did you do about the shampoo!?!?!?!?
Funny you should ask. After much searching there appeared to be a Classic Head & Shoulders. Problem solved, no? No. There is a Classic Clean Collection, with three different kinds!
So I basically did the shampoo equivalent of rage quitting, went home empty handed, and asked my wife to please get something next week. I'm using whatever she picked. Can't even bear to read the label.
Lat time I was in your predicament I happened to see a cheap jumbo bottle of horse shampoo (one of the perks of living in a semi-rural suburb) and went with it. It seems to work well on us humans too... take that overly specific shampoo coorp.
I was going to tell him to read the ingredients because they're all the same, much like MMOs. Just pick one you think smells nice and pretend it's better than the rest, much like MMOs.
Yeah. The horsey stuff works just fine. Although I have to say I have been eating more carrots and apples than normal lately.
Had a girlfriend once who told me horse shampoo helped strengthen hair fibers... Yet she always had fly-aways.
Y'know what the best thing is for your hair fibers? Not inundating them with chemicals every day.
Saves money on shampoo, too.
She sounds like the chiropractor who once told me that depression and a lot of other mental illnesses are caused by misaligned spines... true story.
There are many industries built around getting people to buy into all kinds of pseudo-scientific nonsense. We're not collectively that much smarter than the old days when Theodoric the barber used phrenology for diagnosis and leeches for a cure.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
um, don't leave us hanging, what did you do about the shampoo!?!?!?!?
Funny you should ask. After much searching there appeared to be a Classic Head & Shoulders. Problem solved, no? No. There is a Classic Clean Collection, with three different kinds!
So I basically did the shampoo equivalent of rage quitting, went home empty handed, and asked my wife to please get something next week. I'm using whatever she picked. Can't even bear to read the label.
Lat time I was in your predicament I happened to see a cheap jumbo bottle of horse shampoo (one of the perks of living in a semi-rural suburb) and went with it. It seems to work well on us humans too... take that overly specific shampoo coorp.
I was going to tell him to read the ingredients because they're all the same, much like MMOs. Just pick one you think smells nice and pretend it's better than the rest, much like MMOs.
Yeah. The horsey stuff works just fine. Although I have to say I have been eating more carrots and apples than normal lately.
Had a girlfriend once who told me horse shampoo helped strengthen hair fibers... Yet she always had fly-aways.
Y'know what the best thing is for your hair fibers? Not inundating them with chemicals every day.
Saves money on shampoo, too.
She sounds like the chiropractor who once told me that depression and a lot of other mental illnesses are caused by misaligned spines... true story.
There are many industries built around getting people to buy into all kinds of pseudo-scientific nonsense. We're not collectively that much smarter than the old days when Theodoric the barber used phrenology for diagnosis and leeches for a cure.
Agreed. It's very interesting how marketing and retail straight up created "necessities" of modern life. Deodorant, shampoo, Father's/Mother's and Valentine's day, the list goes on and on and on. All to pry a few more bucks from our wallets.
um, don't leave us hanging, what did you do about the shampoo!?!?!?!?
Funny you should ask. After much searching there appeared to be a Classic Head & Shoulders. Problem solved, no? No. There is a Classic Clean Collection, with three different kinds!
So I basically did the shampoo equivalent of rage quitting, went home empty handed, and asked my wife to please get something next week. I'm using whatever she picked. Can't even bear to read the label.
Lat time I was in your predicament I happened to see a cheap jumbo bottle of horse shampoo (one of the perks of living in a semi-rural suburb) and went with it. It seems to work well on us humans too... take that overly specific shampoo coorp.
I was going to tell him to read the ingredients because they're all the same, much like MMOs. Just pick one you think smells nice and pretend it's better than the rest, much like MMOs.
Yeah. The horsey stuff works just fine. Although I have to say I have been eating more carrots and apples than normal lately.
Had a girlfriend once who told me horse shampoo helped strengthen hair fibers... Yet she always had fly-aways.
Y'know what the best thing is for your hair fibers? Not inundating them with chemicals every day.
Saves money on shampoo, too.
She sounds like the chiropractor who once told me that depression and a lot of other mental illnesses are caused by misaligned spines... true story.
There are many industries built around getting people to buy into all kinds of pseudo-scientific nonsense. We're not collectively that much smarter than the old days when Theodoric the barber used phrenology for diagnosis and leeches for a cure.
Agreed. It's very interesting how marketing and retail straight up created "necessities" of modern life. Deodorant, shampoo, Father's/Mother's and Valentine's day, the list goes on and on and on. All to pry a few more bucks from our wallets.
Don't forget my favorite latest "fad", Men's skin care! Let's milk the men like we do the women now!
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
DAOC was a good game up to 6 months after its release, then they nerfed the crap out of rangers. Quit playing. SWG was a great game until they borked it all to hell with NGE. Quit playing and never looked back. CCP decides to renege on it's promise to have walking in stations. Quit playing and never looked back. Some of these games I might still be playing if the developers hadn't screwed the game up.
If you were raised on Spam I can see you thinking that but holy shit your taste in burgers sucks. Anyone in NA with a backyard grill can beat McDonald's hamburgers... and then there are the thousands of restaurants that have real burgers and not the generic McShit.
...and yet, very same people prefer to grab a burger at McDonalds for lunch rather than driving home to their backyard grill to make burgers that supposedly beat MC burgers.
Apparently, they don't beat them.
Off topic from original post but: For some reason people look at McDonalds burgers as lite candy food... It's the best way I can describe it. It's more than not having to cook and clean up the mess. It's the same with McNuggets. Kids like them better than anything made at home... Again considered candy food !
For some reason people feel better with take out food, it some how gives them a good feeling, this even includes me
I think it's an even simpler answer than many will think...
Technology has outpaced the game.
Hear me out. Back in the day, you needed to beef up your rig to play a lot of those games. Had to invest in better internet access... the whole nine yards. You could buy an edge for yourself by upgrading your setup.
That same game today can't be improved with better internet or computer because today's standards are vastly beyond the ceiling of those games. In a nutshell, everyone who plays them isn't hampered by hardware or internet anymore.
Modern games give you a reason to upgrade all the time. You can always eek out an edge over your fellow players because the game is forever pushing the edge of technology. Even WoW has done this over the years.
Funny thing is their classic version is built to run on their new architecture, meaning, you can't use the old rig to play the game, you have to have a more modern setup... and as such, you have a reason to upgrade... to gain an edge.
Pretty graphics were just a reason to spend money on something you otherwise didn't need to spend money on.
There you have it. You left your old games because you wanted a reason to buy a new toy.
If you were raised on Spam I can see you thinking that but holy shit your taste in burgers sucks. Anyone in NA with a backyard grill can beat McDonald's hamburgers... and then there are the thousands of restaurants that have real burgers and not the generic McShit.
...and yet, very same people prefer to grab a burger at McDonalds for lunch rather than driving home to their backyard grill to make burgers that supposedly beat MC burgers.
Apparently, they don't beat them.
In the UK there are far more chip shops than McDonalds, there is a reason for this, its because fish & chips are better than MackyD's rubbish, this is despite the constant adverts promoting them and the zero adverts for fish and chips.
If you were raised on Spam I can see you thinking that but holy shit your taste in burgers sucks. Anyone in NA with a backyard grill can beat McDonald's hamburgers... and then there are the thousands of restaurants that have real burgers and not the generic McShit.
...and yet, very same people prefer to grab a burger at McDonalds for lunch rather than driving home to their backyard grill to make burgers that supposedly beat MC burgers.
Apparently, they don't beat them.
In the UK there are far more chip shops than McDonalds, there is a reason for this, its because fish & chips are better than MackyD's rubbish, this is despite the constant adverts promoting them and the zero adverts for fish and chips.
Oddly enough McDonalds here in Canada has for the past month or so been advertising their current promotional new food... fish and chips lol.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
In the UK there are far more chip shops than McDonalds, there is a reason for this, its because fish & chips are better than MackyD's rubbish, this is despite the constant adverts promoting them and the zero adverts for fish and chips.
...nice.
As soon as we start comparing apples and oranges, your point will be relevant.
I always enjoyed playing and chatting with other people.....99% of the games today don't really have that....You solo through everything and I can only do that for so long without getting bored.
I think I missed the old school bandwagon, WoTLK/LOTRO being when I started. I'm done with WoW until WoTLK classic servers, and still playing LOTRO until I'm bored and will sink my teeth into ESO.
There's so much to play right now in other genres, that I'll keep to LOTRO/ESO until something new comes along.
Gut Out!
This guy is a damned lier! Don't listen to him! He DL'd like three other games last night and he's jumping around like a maniac and has no idea why!
I think I missed the old school bandwagon, WoTLK/LOTRO being when I started. I'm done with WoW until WoTLK classic servers, and still playing LOTRO until I'm bored and will sink my teeth into ESO.
There's so much to play right now in other genres, that I'll keep to LOTRO/ESO until something new comes along.
Gut Out!
This guy is a damned lier! Don't listen to him! He DL'd like three other games last night and he's jumping around like a maniac and has no idea why!
Gut Out!
Bruce, take it easy now. Or is this the big guy?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Correctly: If old school games were more popular, they could be considered better games.
They were not better.
First of all, that is just your opinion. Second of all, you are the one presenting the fallacy here. You cannot compare what was better back in the early days of PC gaming based on popularity because accessibility of the platform was nowhere near what it is today, and the genre was niche at the time. There were only a handful of MMORPG's back then because of these two things.
Now you can argue the games themselves were not better than the modern MMO if you like, but basing your argument on popularity of the games is absurd.
By that "logic" (quotes intended), McDonalds makes the best damn burgers in the world!
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By the way, did you know old school MMORPGs were popular in their day? Hundreds of thousands of players played them.
And indeed they do.
Do you know where those hundreds of thousands of players go? They were popular until something better came out, thus point in case they were not better.
If they were, MMO design would take vastly different path.
Yea, just ignore the obvious troll. I'm disappointed I took time to reply to the last post.
Keep trying to derail this thread and I will flag the hell of you.
You just proposed several more falacies but something tells me there is no point in refuting them again...
There were no logical fallacies in my post.
Instead of trying to point out why people are wrong, try discussion. If you are not going to contribute to a healthy discussion based on the actual topic and people's thoughts just go. I made rational points to you, if this is all you respond with you are just trolling and baiting me, I'm done with you.
The game I loved was killed by the desperate push towards open worlds and "true" MMOs. Everything that made it deep, convenient, and good was only possible in a fully instanced game, and now it is survived by a successor with less depth and less reason to bother.
Fuck open worlds. Unless the developer knows how to do one correctly (most fucking don't), they only ever stretch and dilute the experience.
My favorite time in any MMO is during the first 6 months. Everything is still new, lots of noobs running around, lots of questions and exploration to be done.
Once the population is rendered down to nothing but the "know-all" players, I get bored.
I just want a western-developed ArcheAge-type game. The eastern developers are doing great with the combat, open world, and gameplay, but I can't deal with the horrid art style.
I do play old games still. I was playing Anarchy Online and then City dragged me off . I am a horrible altoholic and cannot manage two games. I just cannot play two games at the same time, the minute I play something else the former will get set aside. No it is really a death knell if I start a new game for the one I'm currently playing.
I do not know why people don't play old games but my guess is the population or the fact that the UI is clunky or the game is difficult for people. Difficulty is definitely a factor. People really seem to want easier games because they will ultimately blame the graphics or the UI but will admit when pressed it was that the game was grindy or hard. They didn't like travelling long distances or waiting ages for the boat. Perhaps losing their corpse is another blow to an already bad day. It takes patience or the knowledge of what the game is like for people to accept it. Newer players may find it daunting that there is no map or that you have to remember what the NPC asked and that there is no quest log.
I think people have a vastly unrealistic expectation of their own limitations as far as games go. They refuse to accept they are graphic snobs or that they cannot accept the slower pace. They devise reasons that ultimately sound more palatable when they ultimately dump the older game.
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Y'know what the best thing is for your hair fibers? Not inundating them with chemicals every day.
Saves money on shampoo, too.
There are many industries built around getting people to buy into all kinds of pseudo-scientific nonsense. We're not collectively that much smarter than the old days when Theodoric the barber used phrenology for diagnosis and leeches for a cure.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
For some reason people look at McDonalds burgers as lite candy food... It's the best way I can describe it. It's more than not having to cook and clean up the mess. It's the same with McNuggets. Kids like them better than anything made at home... Again considered candy food !
For some reason people feel better with take out food, it some how gives them a good feeling, this even includes me
Technology has outpaced the game.
Hear me out. Back in the day, you needed to beef up your rig to play a lot of those games. Had to invest in better internet access... the whole nine yards. You could buy an edge for yourself by upgrading your setup.
That same game today can't be improved with better internet or computer because today's standards are vastly beyond the ceiling of those games. In a nutshell, everyone who plays them isn't hampered by hardware or internet anymore.
Modern games give you a reason to upgrade all the time. You can always eek out an edge over your fellow players because the game is forever pushing the edge of technology. Even WoW has done this over the years.
Funny thing is their classic version is built to run on their new architecture, meaning, you can't use the old rig to play the game, you have to have a more modern setup... and as such, you have a reason to upgrade... to gain an edge.
Pretty graphics were just a reason to spend money on something you otherwise didn't need to spend money on.
There you have it. You left your old games because you wanted a reason to buy a new toy.
It's as simple as that.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
As soon as we start comparing apples and oranges, your point will be relevant.
Gut Out!
What, me worry?
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
First of all, that is just your opinion. Second of all, you are the one presenting the fallacy here. You cannot compare what was better back in the early days of PC gaming based on popularity because accessibility of the platform was nowhere near what it is today, and the genre was niche at the time. There were only a handful of MMORPG's back then because of these two things. Now you can argue the games themselves were not better than the modern MMO if you like, but basing your argument on popularity of the games is absurd.
Keep trying to derail this thread and I will flag the hell of you.
You just proposed several more falacies but something tells me there is no point in refuting them again...
There were no logical fallacies in my post.
Instead of trying to point out why people are wrong, try discussion. If you are not going to contribute to a healthy discussion based on the actual topic and people's thoughts just go. I made rational points to you, if this is all you respond with you are just trolling and baiting me, I'm done with you.
Fuck open worlds. Unless the developer knows how to do one correctly (most fucking don't), they only ever stretch and dilute the experience.
I do not know why people don't play old games but my guess is the population or the fact that the UI is clunky or the game is difficult for people. Difficulty is definitely a factor. People really seem to want easier games because they will ultimately blame the graphics or the UI but will admit when pressed it was that the game was grindy or hard. They didn't like travelling long distances or waiting ages for the boat. Perhaps losing their corpse is another blow to an already bad day. It takes patience or the knowledge of what the game is like for people to accept it. Newer players may find it daunting that there is no map or that you have to remember what the NPC asked and that there is no quest log.
I think people have a vastly unrealistic expectation of their own limitations as far as games go. They refuse to accept they are graphic snobs or that they cannot accept the slower pace. They devise reasons that ultimately sound more palatable when they ultimately dump the older game.