They don't want to play with people who have a history of shitty, community destroying behavior and a string of dead servers in their wake. If that makes them Fascists then the word means nothing.
I read this quite often now. Can someone please elaborate where this specifically happend?
-What games and servers have this happen to? + sources.
-What streamers where involved? + sources.
-AND in what way have streamers presence on certain servers or games ruining complete communities, literally killing whole servers and/or games? Elaborate and have sources to strenghten these claims.
Thanks.
I've been playing MMORPGs and multi- and singleplayer RPGs since before I made this account and I can't recall anywhere in any game I've played that this ever happend. So please enlighten me, I'm always open minded to facts.
I'm looking forward to some extensive reading.
Its cause it doesn't happen. People who claim streamers ruin games are often those with agendas against particular streamers who are discriminating against all of them or are just jealous that they aren't the ones getting paid to play video games. (Mostly the latter) WoW classic is a PERFECT example of this. All the people who wanted to avoid streamers went to Herod server specifically to avoid them, creating a bigger problem then the streamers ever could. (Now Herod is going to have 10K+ ques according to Blizzard, unless they get more servers and manage to pry some players off it.)
Oh yeah, you MUST be right, I mean that many people all wanting to avoid a relatively few streamers, obviously the non-streaming gamers are the issue. I mean, obviously. Just petty jealousy.
Or, and here is a stretch, maybe people have seen the crap streamers bring to games and want to avoid that. Weird. Probably not though, they are obviously just jealous, yeah that makes perfect sense.
I don't care how big the vocal minority is, there is still no proof that streamers have ruined anything anywhere and in this particular situation there is proof that people who are attempting to avoid streamers created a bigger problem themselves. (Herod 10k+ ques) Once again, it is mostly people who want a normal classic experience but fail to realize that cannot be reproduced getting mixed into the usual bunch of people who just hate on streamers out of jealousy. None of this will even matter a few weeks after classic and people will go back to normal. The streamers will continue to not ruin servers as they do not on the modern game. The same people who are hating on them will also continue to watch them. ;P
This current anti-streamer movement really got traction based on some of the things that particular streamers (or groups of streamers) have promised to do in Classic, one of which is to gank anyone trying to mine Thorium, 24/7. All Thorium will belong to them.
It's drawing a lot more hate than even the Devilsaur mafia will.
If you're just some average person streaming your average experience, without dedicating it to ruining anyone else's experience, you won't be added to any blacklist.
It's nothing but persecution of streamers and associated. Using this addon should be a bannable offence.
What they are saying is that they don't want streamers to come to a particular server and disrupt things, personaly i don't have a problem with that, and honestly if they go ahead and stream from those particular servers in the knowledge of what the consequences are, then its because they want the attention this will likely bring them. Honestly i'd be tempted to join them, sounds fun
PvPers asking other players not to disrupt their fun is the biggest joke I've heard in a long time. Unfortunately not the Ha ha kind.
this drama began when they gave a beta to pokimane who never played wow and people who played for years did not have the opportunity to try the beta.
apart from the raid for the streaming that in some cases give the items to him but that is what they decided on the same raid, if you join a streaming raid the safest thing that the loot for streaming have reserved.
if you have problems with streaming, just don't join a guild that has one
That's just public relations doing what they do, it doesn't seem right, but almost all publishers for a upcoming game looking for free publicity tend to look for influences or streamers, and often they rather have someone who doesn't play or know the product.
There is a strategy to this, it's not proven to work, but money-people are looking for new costumers, not old or current one's
So giving beta invites to current or long-term costumers is often seen as not very profitable.
It's a business, it's rotten, but it's still a business.
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And there we have it... The true face of classic... The upper crust and their overblown sense of entitlement that i remember. The real class system of the game with one or a few guilds dictating how everyone else on the server should live.. If one does not fall in line... well... there was blacklists back then too. Not to mention blockades and manhunts and many other darling behaviors.
This is the true classic... This is why the new age was such a hard blow... After all it is hard to be a server dictator when you can not control the ebb and flow of the server. This is the true reason LFG is disliked... You can not blockade it...
Ok slight exaggeration but there are some truth to it.
Much of the nashing of teeth back in the days was because of the perceived loss of power. Blizzard stripped guilds like these of pretty much all of their power...
Anyway this is petty bullcrap at best and downright disturbed behavior at worst (borderline obsessive to be honest) and is getting very close to garden variety fascism.
Fascists are pushing their ideals and agenda into every aspect of our societies and cultures. Their favorite ploy is playing the victim card like "the other group" is causing the problems with their entitlement. It's classic gaslighting.
Remember not so long ago how everyone hated WoW players because they were such asshats. "Go back to WoW" became a thing for a reason. It's unfortunate for the nice WoW players to be overshadowed by the drooling masses of Hodor.
And you absolute clowns don't understand why no one takes you seriously when you call people racist, Nazi, and Fascist.
They don't want to play with people who have a history of shitty, community destroying behavior and a string of dead servers in their wake. If that makes them Fascists then the word means nothing.
I don't have to call people names. Their words and behavior make it self evident. I'm just identifying the behavior. The rest of the band isn't out of step.
You're a sick person. Seek professional help.
That's twice you've lashed out and called me a derogatory name. You originally ranted indignantly when you falsely accused me of the same thing. I bet you don't even see the irony in that or your hatred. I feel sad for you and hope you find freedom from that.
You're comparing people who don't want to play games with you to a regime of mass murderers. You deserve much stronger condemnation and mockery than I've given you.
And there we have it... The true face of classic... The upper crust and their overblown sense of entitlement that i remember. The real class system of the game with one or a few guilds dictating how everyone else on the server should live.. If one does not fall in line... well... there was blacklists back then too. Not to mention blockades and manhunts and many other darling behaviors.
This is the true classic... This is why the new age was such a hard blow... After all it is hard to be a server dictator when you can not control the ebb and flow of the server. This is the true reason LFG is disliked... You can not blockade it...
Ok slight exaggeration but there are some truth to it.
Much of the nashing of teeth back in the days was because of the perceived loss of power. Blizzard stripped guilds like these of pretty much all of their power...
Anyway this is petty bullcrap at best and downright disturbed behavior at worst (borderline obsessive to be honest) and is getting very close to garden variety fascism.
Fascists are pushing their ideals and agenda into every aspect of our societies and cultures. Their favorite ploy is playing the victim card like "the other group" is causing the problems with their entitlement. It's classic gaslighting.
Remember not so long ago how everyone hated WoW players because they were such asshats. "Go back to WoW" became a thing for a reason. It's unfortunate for the nice WoW players to be overshadowed by the drooling masses of Hodor.
And you absolute clowns don't understand why no one takes you seriously when you call people racist, Nazi, and Fascist.
They don't want to play with people who have a history of shitty, community destroying behavior and a string of dead servers in their wake. If that makes them Fascists then the word means nothing.
I don't have to call people names. Their words and behavior make it self evident. I'm just identifying the behavior. The rest of the band isn't out of step.
You're a sick person. Seek professional help.
That's twice you've lashed out and called me a derogatory name. You originally ranted indignantly when you falsely accused me of the same thing. I bet you don't even see the irony in that or your hatred. I feel sad for you and hope you find freedom from that.
You're comparing people who don't want to play games with you to a regime of mass murderers. You deserve much stronger condemnation and mockery than I've given you.
Most intelligent people know that colloquially fascist is synonymous with bully. Do you not know that or are you deliberately ignoring it in order to satisfy your need to attack someone?
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
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And there we have it... The true face of classic... The upper crust and their overblown sense of entitlement that i remember. The real class system of the game with one or a few guilds dictating how everyone else on the server should live.. If one does not fall in line... well... there was blacklists back then too. Not to mention blockades and manhunts and many other darling behaviors.
This is the true classic... This is why the new age was such a hard blow... After all it is hard to be a server dictator when you can not control the ebb and flow of the server. This is the true reason LFG is disliked... You can not blockade it...
Ok slight exaggeration but there are some truth to it.
Much of the nashing of teeth back in the days was because of the perceived loss of power. Blizzard stripped guilds like these of pretty much all of their power...
Anyway this is petty bullcrap at best and downright disturbed behavior at worst (borderline obsessive to be honest) and is getting very close to garden variety fascism.
Fascists are pushing their ideals and agenda into every aspect of our societies and cultures. Their favorite ploy is playing the victim card like "the other group" is causing the problems with their entitlement. It's classic gaslighting.
Remember not so long ago how everyone hated WoW players because they were such asshats. "Go back to WoW" became a thing for a reason. It's unfortunate for the nice WoW players to be overshadowed by the drooling masses of Hodor.
And you absolute clowns don't understand why no one takes you seriously when you call people racist, Nazi, and Fascist.
They don't want to play with people who have a history of shitty, community destroying behavior and a string of dead servers in their wake. If that makes them Fascists then the word means nothing.
I don't have to call people names. Their words and behavior make it self evident. I'm just identifying the behavior. The rest of the band isn't out of step.
You're a sick person. Seek professional help.
That's twice you've lashed out and called me a derogatory name. You originally ranted indignantly when you falsely accused me of the same thing. I bet you don't even see the irony in that or your hatred. I feel sad for you and hope you find freedom from that.
You're comparing people who don't want to play games with you to a regime of mass murderers. You deserve much stronger condemnation and mockery than I've given you.
Most intelligent people know that colloquially fascist is synonymous with bully. Do you not know that or are you deliberately ignoring it in order to satisfy your need to attack someone?
And there we have it... The true face of classic... The upper crust and their overblown sense of entitlement that i remember. The real class system of the game with one or a few guilds dictating how everyone else on the server should live.. If one does not fall in line... well... there was blacklists back then too. Not to mention blockades and manhunts and many other darling behaviors.
This is the true classic... This is why the new age was such a hard blow... After all it is hard to be a server dictator when you can not control the ebb and flow of the server. This is the true reason LFG is disliked... You can not blockade it...
Ok slight exaggeration but there are some truth to it.
Much of the nashing of teeth back in the days was because of the perceived loss of power. Blizzard stripped guilds like these of pretty much all of their power...
Anyway this is petty bullcrap at best and downright disturbed behavior at worst (borderline obsessive to be honest) and is getting very close to garden variety fascism.
Fascists are pushing their ideals and agenda into every aspect of our societies and cultures. Their favorite ploy is playing the victim card like "the other group" is causing the problems with their entitlement. It's classic gaslighting.
Remember not so long ago how everyone hated WoW players because they were such asshats. "Go back to WoW" became a thing for a reason. It's unfortunate for the nice WoW players to be overshadowed by the drooling masses of Hodor.
And you absolute clowns don't understand why no one takes you seriously when you call people racist, Nazi, and Fascist.
They don't want to play with people who have a history of shitty, community destroying behavior and a string of dead servers in their wake. If that makes them Fascists then the word means nothing.
I don't have to call people names. Their words and behavior make it self evident. I'm just identifying the behavior. The rest of the band isn't out of step.
You're a sick person. Seek professional help.
That's twice you've lashed out and called me a derogatory name. You originally ranted indignantly when you falsely accused me of the same thing. I bet you don't even see the irony in that or your hatred. I feel sad for you and hope you find freedom from that.
You're comparing people who don't want to play games with you to a regime of mass murderers. You deserve much stronger condemnation and mockery than I've given you.
Most intelligent people know that colloquially fascist is synonymous with bully. Do you not know that or are you deliberately ignoring it in order to satisfy your need to attack someone?
I'll take that WTF as you not having a fucking clue... just as I thought.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
You know what really ruins these PVP servers? Whiners. I want an addon that instantly reports people when they use words like “unfair,” that goes for any channel they use it on including guild chat. We should take a stand against whiners, bans might be the only tool at our disposal but molotov cocktails would be better,
PVP isn’t about things being fair and never has been, power players that feel threatened by larger and more well organised groups should step up their game, unless they want to go from hunter to prey. That is how they became hunter in the first place. But the whining, my god, the whining.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
hmm so the streamer mentality of "im better then my viewers and deserve more" is coming to bite them in the ass? not likely...nothing will change, nothing will affect them. they are too popular and if you don't like them..they don't care, they have thousands of people following them and willing to die for them...(for no reason) streamers are the top tier pan handlers of today
goes both ways imo,streamers have no right to spoil the fun of everyone else on server,granted its mostly the rabid streamer fans that cause the problems but streamers have a responsibility to control them.im sure with some common sense everything will be fine.
Not sure how streamers are responsible for controlling another human beings actions...
"I hate streamers" is a very cringe thing to say... No one is forcing anyone to watch a person stream. And their supposed negative impact on games are mildly put exaggerated.
If it's true I hope that the people that done the addond and people using it will get permanently banned. As bullying should never be allowed anywhere.
People seriously need to drop the redneck "we don't like your kind round here" mentality.
First of all, it is that bad. Second, I hope everyone uses the app to get these annoying streamer asses out of here. Besides sucking up to companies, they do nothing worthwhile.
It's not bullying to not like something, get the fuck over it. I don't like onions, am I bullying them?
The redneck, which is hate speech by the way, except rednecks don't give a shit or get offended by being called that, aren't wrong in this case. Your bullshit "we have to accept everyone" needs to go away.
You do not get a ribbon for showing up People are not always going to like you, get over it Labeling opinions under racist terms does nothing to further your points Some times, you just have to punch someone in the face, get used to it, its called life.
Damn dude, you are clearly angry at the world.
What you are doing is being prejudice, you aren't bullying (That's 1 person), you aren't disliking (That's when you personally avoid something with little or no impact to others). There's a difference and a balance and you tipped the scale. You can say something like "I don't like Ninja, because of X". That's a logical statement. What you are saying is ALL streamers aren't worthwhile, which isn't truth or fact.
You can't bully an inanimate object but it was a cute argument.
Life isn't fair, you got that right, but you aren't making it any better. So what worthwhile part do you play? Since streamers are such a waste of life what do you do that makes you any better? Answer. Nothing. We are all human beings, everyone deserves respect. Not liking someone doesn't give you the right to disrespect, it gives you the right to avoid it.
If you feel it's your god given right to punch people in the face, you got some bigger issues none of us here can tackle.
Damn dude, No, I am not. You must be very sensitive you think that. That is your problem, not mine. Sucks to be you.
Yes, I am prejudice, I don't like streamers nor the shit they bring to games. I would have thought that was pretty obvious. But I guess "hashbrick" isn't just a forum nick huh? Of course, I am better, I am me, and I care about me more than I do anyone else, save my children. I expect everyone else's opinion will be biased towards themselves if not, you have deeper issues than we can tackle here.
Nor can I bully someone across the internet so my example is just as relevant as the example I was speaking too. So yeah, cute argument. If words affect you that much, grow up and get a thicker skin, I do not care about your feelings.
It is if you want to talk shit, in person and I punch you in the face, again, sucks to be you. If you can't defend yourself, then you have options. Shut up, call PD, etc. However, if I feel like you have offered me insult and we are face to face, guess what you win? yeah.
I'll just end with you really are a joy of life and I feel sorry for your children. Also do the world a favor and see a shrink, you got issues bud. I don't know if the world kicked you in the ass so hard that you just fuel hate or you grew up in an abusive alcohol fueled home or what. The world changes with you, YOU who you care about so much is the one YOU are letting down and the people around you. I like how you got personal, it just proves everything you state and value is correct in your mind.
[[ DEAD ]] - Funny - I deleted my account on the site using the cancel account button. Forum user is separate and still exists with no way of deleting it. Delete it admins. Do it, this ends now.
And here I thought retro games would have a retro community but no, it's the same stupids that are in every 2019 online game.
More proof that them good ole days just ain't never coming back.
hmmm depends.
I think the thing here is that it's the pvp crowd that's inhabiting the game and they want fresh pvp experiences.
Very competitive and perhaps aggressive.
That totally supports his point from my perspective.
I think a soley pve server might have better luck. I realize there are asshats in pve as well but it seems that there is an agressive pvp contingent who might be more interested in "open world pvp" than "oh look, it's classic World of Warcraft."
So, if Pantheon had open world pvp I am thinking the same issues would ensue but a complete pve experience, especially for a slower type game, might be a bit better.
I agree with what you're saying. I also think this modern pvp community is a lot different from 12 - 15 years ago which is what I hear Iselin saying.
One thing that seems odd to me is that this sort of gating reminds me a lot more of PvE EQ2 servers "back then". Raid guilds controlled who could farm what. It didn't matter that the content was instanced because only a set number of guilds could reliably farm them and they gated who got access and in what order. That mindset heavily contributed to the demise of servers and MMOs in general. It also makes me wonder what these people will do when they find out they can't control a server.
PVP communities frequently change. The community back when WoW first came out was far different than UO and and ultimately there is just a shift that it is becoming more and more toxic to deal with pvpers. You are a carebear if you point out that pkers aren't in fact a pvper most of the time because a good chunk of them kill people that can't fight back or wont fight back and they do it for the luls and to harass and grief. Just because another player is being targeted doesn't mean you are actually in a "versus" situation and frankly I feel letting them get away with it and saying "They are just pvping" is part of the issue that breeds the overall toxicity.
The sad thing is SWG dealt with the whole issue of having everyone on one server ruleset and we have just ignored it hardcore. Those that wish an open world PVP experience could literally walk around flagged all the time like they used to do in SWG and we could make avoidable, but beneficial open pvp zones in games. You can literally have pve and pvp exist together and do it well and sate the crowds on both sides, but then the argument comes up that pvpers need "victims" and that again breeds some level of toxicity.
Folks wanting old school WoW style back aren't going to get it as far as PVP goes.
"I hate streamers" is a very cringe thing to say... No one is forcing anyone to watch a person stream. And their supposed negative impact on games are mildly put exaggerated.
If it's true I hope that the people that done the addond and people using it will get permanently banned. As bullying should never be allowed anywhere.
People seriously need to drop the redneck "we don't like your kind round here" mentality.
First of all, it is that bad. Second, I hope everyone uses the app to get these annoying streamer asses out of here. Besides sucking up to companies, they do nothing worthwhile.
It's not bullying to not like something, get the fuck over it. I don't like onions, am I bullying them?
The redneck, which is hate speech by the way, except rednecks don't give a shit or get offended by being called that, aren't wrong in this case. Your bullshit "we have to accept everyone" needs to go away.
You do not get a ribbon for showing up People are not always going to like you, get over it Labeling opinions under racist terms does nothing to further your points Some times, you just have to punch someone in the face, get used to it, its called life.
Damn dude, you are clearly angry at the world.
What you are doing is being prejudice, you aren't bullying (That's 1 person), you aren't disliking (That's when you personally avoid something with little or no impact to others). There's a difference and a balance and you tipped the scale. You can say something like "I don't like Ninja, because of X". That's a logical statement. What you are saying is ALL streamers aren't worthwhile, which isn't truth or fact.
You can't bully an inanimate object but it was a cute argument.
Life isn't fair, you got that right, but you aren't making it any better. So what worthwhile part do you play? Since streamers are such a waste of life what do you do that makes you any better? Answer. Nothing. We are all human beings, everyone deserves respect. Not liking someone doesn't give you the right to disrespect, it gives you the right to avoid it.
If you feel it's your god given right to punch people in the face, you got some bigger issues none of us here can tackle.
Damn dude, No, I am not. You must be very sensitive you think that. That is your problem, not mine. Sucks to be you.
Yes, I am prejudice, I don't like streamers nor the shit they bring to games. I would have thought that was pretty obvious. But I guess "hashbrick" isn't just a forum nick huh? Of course, I am better, I am me, and I care about me more than I do anyone else, save my children. I expect everyone else's opinion will be biased towards themselves if not, you have deeper issues than we can tackle here.
Nor can I bully someone across the internet so my example is just as relevant as the example I was speaking too. So yeah, cute argument. If words affect you that much, grow up and get a thicker skin, I do not care about your feelings.
It is if you want to talk shit, in person and I punch you in the face, again, sucks to be you. If you can't defend yourself, then you have options. Shut up, call PD, etc. However, if I feel like you have offered me insult and we are face to face, guess what you win? yeah.
I'll just end with you really are a joy of life and I feel sorry for your children. Also do the world a favor and see a shrink, you got issues bud. I don't know if the world kicked you in the ass so hard that you just fuel hate or you grew up in an abusive alcohol fueled home or what. The world changes with you, YOU who you care about so much is the one YOU are letting down and the people around you. I like how you got personal, it just proves everything you state and value is correct in your mind.
You were the first one to get personal.
Attacking me by indicating that I am somehow a drunk that grew up in abusive home smacks of projecting. I am retired, I have a great 2nd career, my child is well taken care of and happy. The world has not done a thing to me, sure we all have ups and downs, but you get up and keep going.
No one around me is let down, my life is well in hand and happy. Shit I am buying a 2nd home in Hawaii right now, and spend the majority of my off time chilling at the beach or hiking.
I would recommend YOU seek a mental health specialist and get the help you so desperately need. This level of projection, based on an opinion you disagree with is extreme immaturity, insecurity, I would suspect mommy and daddy issues, most like substance abuse issues.
Despite the name I use on a forum, I am not full of hate at all I can see how you would assume that not knowing me, and me being a very direct and firm person when it comes to my opinions I get that someone that has anxiety and self-esteem issues can see that as hate. I assure you snowflake, I am fine. Grow up son, and go get help. You need it.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
I never understood watching streamers. I grew up wanting to play the game not watch somebody else play.
outside of checking out what kinda game i'll be getting into i dont watch em either. i'd ratehr play teh damn game than watch someone else play it. we come from the era of pass the sticks its my turn.
I never understood watching streamers. I grew up wanting to play the game not watch somebody else play.
I've been reading this for over 10 years on this forum. I don't think you ever will understand it....but some people like to watch football without playing it themselves.
Got a better example than a vigorous physical activity? LOL! We sit on our ass and hold a controller. How is that comparable to physical exercise? no
I never understood watching streamers. I grew up wanting to play the game not watch somebody else play.
I've been reading this for over 10 years on this forum. I don't think you ever will understand it....but some people like to watch football without playing it themselves.
Got a better example than a vigorous physical activity? LOL! We sit on our ass and hold a controller. How is that comparable to physical exercise? no
Some people like watching a chess match. There you go.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I never understood watching streamers. I grew up wanting to play the game not watch somebody else play.
Which is what some other old person said when the first baseball game was televised. And football. And any other activity you can play yourself. I don't watch streamers, but I get it. It's partly social with your friends in chat, and partly watching something being done at a skill level above your own (like watching random sports during the Olympics.) Not to mention how much easier it is for Kids These Days to stay on their phones while watching a stream of a game, rather than playing it themselves.
An incredibly small fraction of the population that streams is actually really good. most of them are just regular joes tryin to make a tiny buck or become something more than just a john doe no one knows or remembers. We all want to be remembered we all just want our existence to mean something and not be forgotten. So i get it but i dont support it by watching them.
What you said about old people and baseball back when it was first televised was out of line. You were not even alive back then. You'd be over 80 years old if you were. It's offensive towards the guys main point. You called him old.
It shouldn't be out of the ordinary or come as a surprise that many people share ideals and opinions. The gamers would rather game while the bored/unable to play watch or listen.
I dont find it healthy to celebrate other peoples accomplishments and none of my own. I do come from the era of pass the sticks its my turn. Maybe that's why its harder for me to watch because i feel like i have to wait for my turn again. no ty
Look at all of these people talking about WoW. When was the last time WoW got 10 pages here, and it wasn't complaints about how sad a direction the devs took the game.
I reckon Blizzard will let the drama go on till a few streamers have public break/hate downs that make the news. Since WoW will want to be in the news.
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Look at all of these people talking about WoW. When was the last time WoW got 10 pages here, and it wasn't complaints about how sad a direction the devs took the game.
I reckon Blizzard will let the drama go on till a few streamers have public break/hate downs that make the news. Since WoW will want to be in the news.
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That's just public relations doing what they do, it doesn't seem right, but almost all publishers for a upcoming game looking for free publicity tend to look for influences or streamers, and often they rather have someone who doesn't play or know the product.
There is a strategy to this, it's not proven to work, but money-people are looking for new costumers, not old or current one's
So giving beta invites to current or long-term costumers is often seen as not very profitable.
It's a business, it's rotten, but it's still a business.
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
PVP isn’t about things being fair and never has been, power players that feel threatened by larger and more well organised groups should step up their game, unless they want to go from hunter to prey. That is how they became hunter in the first place. But the whining, my god, the whining.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
Not sure how streamers are responsible for controlling another human beings actions...
The sad thing is SWG dealt with the whole issue of having everyone on one server ruleset and we have just ignored it hardcore. Those that wish an open world PVP experience could literally walk around flagged all the time like they used to do in SWG and we could make avoidable, but beneficial open pvp zones in games. You can literally have pve and pvp exist together and do it well and sate the crowds on both sides, but then the argument comes up that pvpers need "victims" and that again breeds some level of toxicity.
Folks wanting old school WoW style back aren't going to get it as far as PVP goes.
Attacking me by indicating that I am somehow a drunk that grew up in abusive home smacks of projecting. I am retired, I have a great 2nd career, my child is well taken care of and happy. The world has not done a thing to me, sure we all have ups and downs, but you get up and keep going.
No one around me is let down, my life is well in hand and happy. Shit I am buying a 2nd home in Hawaii right now, and spend the majority of my off time chilling at the beach or hiking.
I would recommend YOU seek a mental health specialist and get the help you so desperately need. This level of projection, based on an opinion you disagree with is extreme immaturity, insecurity, I would suspect mommy and daddy issues, most like substance abuse issues.
Despite the name I use on a forum, I am not full of hate at all I can see how you would assume that not knowing me, and me being a very direct and firm person when it comes to my opinions I get that someone that has anxiety and self-esteem issues can see that as hate. I assure you snowflake, I am fine. Grow up son, and go get help. You need it.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
outside of checking out what kinda game i'll be getting into i dont watch em either. i'd ratehr play teh damn game than watch someone else play it. we come from the era of pass the sticks its my turn.
Got a better example than a vigorous physical activity? LOL! We sit on our ass and hold a controller. How is that comparable to physical exercise? no
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
An incredibly small fraction of the population that streams is actually really good. most of them are just regular joes tryin to make a tiny buck or become something more than just a john doe no one knows or remembers. We all want to be remembered we all just want our existence to mean something and not be forgotten. So i get it but i dont support it by watching them.
What you said about old people and baseball back when it was first televised was out of line. You were not even alive back then. You'd be over 80 years old if you were. It's offensive towards the guys main point. You called him old.
It shouldn't be out of the ordinary or come as a surprise that many people share ideals and opinions. The gamers would rather game while the bored/unable to play watch or listen.
I dont find it healthy to celebrate other peoples accomplishments and none of my own. I do come from the era of pass the sticks its my turn. Maybe that's why its harder for me to watch because i feel like i have to wait for my turn again. no ty
deleted this i was wrong about it. theres 10 pages!! i thought there was only one. my bad sorry
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I reckon Blizzard will let the drama go on till a few streamers have public break/hate downs that make the news. Since WoW will want to be in the news.
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