Stopped reading at Diablo 4 will be a mobile game. Diablo 4 and Diablo Immortal are completely different games.
While Diablo Immortal and D4 are completely different games - we have no clue what type of game D4 is - the assumption by almost everyone is that it will be yet another "isometric" ARPG like D1/2/3
BUT
The insider rumor is that Diablo 4 is a first person "shooter" game (done in Overwatch engine) - a complete departure from "isometric" ARPG gameplay.
Time will tell if this holds any water.
It would be highly unlikely that they'd ever turn it into an FPS. It simply doesn't work as one largely and while hellgate london could be imporved upon it just wouldn't work for them long term. I don't know where that rumor started other than people thinking that blizzard is all in on overwatch type shit.
"especially since the disappointing announcement that “Diablo 4” would be a mobile rendition of the game" - Do you realy write articles for mmorpg.com, Robert Baddeley ? How can people even take you seriously when you fail with such simple facts. Nowhere there has been said that immortal would be diablo 4 or diablo 4 is immortal and is coming to mobiles. Diablo 4 is in production and its not a mobile game. Quit your job, bad review and lying to people.
Holy cow you lashed out because instead of saying the next installment of Diablo was a mobile game they said Diablo 4? It technically is the 4th iteration of diablo anyways.
They lashed out because it was said on purpose at this point. While it may be the 4th iteration of Diablo it is not the 4th game in the main series. That'd be like saying the dragon quest spinoff games are part of the main dragon quest games which they simply are not. Diablo Immortal is a mobile spin-off and it's been known that 4 was in production. It is also indicative that they said it was a disappointing announcement. It's attempting to stir the pot when you make a line like that.
That is why it is in quotation marks in the article. It is quite elegant summary of a long and tiresome situation.
Stopped reading at Diablo 4 will be a mobile game. Diablo 4 and Diablo Immortal are completely different games.
While Diablo Immortal and D4 are completely different games - we have no clue what type of game D4 is - the assumption by almost everyone is that it will be yet another "isometric" ARPG like D1/2/3
BUT
The insider rumor is that Diablo 4 is a first person "shooter" game (done in Overwatch engine) - a complete departure from "isometric" ARPG gameplay.
Time will tell if this holds any water.
It would be highly unlikely that they'd ever turn it into an FPS. It simply doesn't work as one largely and while hellgate london could be imporved upon it just wouldn't work for them long term. I don't know where that rumor started other than people thinking that blizzard is all in on overwatch type shit.
Would be pretty funny and poetic if they pulled a Hellgate on the Diablo franchise.
Is that the best you guys can come up with? Diablo 4 isn't Diablo Immortal? I expect a much better insult from the trolls in these forums. You guys really need to step up your game.
Here let me show you. This article was written so Baddeley that I feel like I've been Robbed.
Please note that I think the article was well written. I have played the game and think he hit on many of the good and bad points. I enjoy the game, and although I would only give it a 7 (hoping the new updates push it higher) I can respect the author had a different score to give it. Scores are merely an opinion and his was different than mine, not really a reason to call him an idiot or shill though
Amen, so many readers are hyper critical, ready to nail the author to the cross for the slightest misstep or disagreement with their opinion. Although I agree 8/10 is a bit generous at this time, I do understand how first impressions can be a bit misleading. At the surface the game is visually appealing, its something quite unique and gives a very different flavor than most ARPGs. Its not until you dive a bit deeper that you start to uncover some of the areas for improvement. It has good bones and I applaud the devs for listening to the community and pushing out major improvements so far, just give it some more time in the oven.
So when its a hype, player base going up a bit but straight away going back down.
If a game is good like that I dont think less then 150 players wanna play with it.
I give it a 4/10 when im drunk.
Every game, especially early beta access games experience a hype decline similar to this. I wouldn't be so quick to determine a 4/10 based on these average player figures as they do not tell the whole story. A 4/10 as of April sure, but not in its current state. Some important missing information here would be the major BFPs that have dropped after the initial decline of the player base. I would speculate many either wrote the game off before these major updates and improvements went live, are waiting for official launch, or are waiting for the rest of the major changes to be completed before diving in.
I actually got the ARPG itch again recently and re-installed both Grim Dawn (Never made it past the first half) and Diablo 3 (haven't played it since release, when I poured almost 500hrs across 2 characters).
But I was actually more interested in finding a new (and more recent) ARPG to play and had my eye on Pagan Online before it released. But even at a 8/10, I don't think it reflects what is there and what the game is from everything I've been seeing and reading. Then again, I haven't played it myself but I don't think it's for me. So my search continues!
D3 has been great since Reaper of Souls. I'm not of fan of how they focused on a time trial style endgame with Greater Rifts and Challenge Dungeons though.. but you only have to do those if you like it so much that you want to grind your tits off.
Adventure mode is the future of aRPGs though and I'm surprised other games haven't tried to copy it yet.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
I would like to say that I'm at least rooting for the game to improve. No offense was directed at the reviewer when I laid out my opinion, and I never used nor implied the word "shill."
The game is getting a major update today and I look forward to giving it another chance. I doubt it will fix most of my issues with the game, but maybe it'll be a fair step forward.
I would like to say that I'm at least rooting for the game to improve. No offense was directed at the reviewer when I laid out my opinion, and I never used nor implied the word "shill."
The game is getting a major update today and I look forward to giving it another chance. I doubt it will fix most of my issues with the game, but maybe it'll be a fair step forward.
I won't be playing Pagan again until 4 player is added. I won't even be checking out the release update. The entire thing is on hold.
I can not believe they are going to release without it. It's going to get destroyed in the Steam reviews.
... and the campaign missions still aren't co-op.
Soooo many people are going to refund.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
I would like to say that I'm at least rooting for the game to improve. No offense was directed at the reviewer when I laid out my opinion, and I never used nor implied the word "shill."
The game is getting a major update today and I look forward to giving it another chance. I doubt it will fix most of my issues with the game, but maybe it'll be a fair step forward.
I won't be playing Pagan again until 4 player is added. I won't even be checking out the release update. The entire thing is on hold.
I can not believe they are going to release without it. It's going to get destroyed in the Steam reviews.
... and the campaign missions still aren't co-op.
Soooo many people are going to refund.
For me, the bigger issues are the loot and high difficulty. I rather enjoyed my time regardless.
Not that I'll be playing it much in the short term. Cyclops and Colossus are coming to MUA3 in a few days, and I'm only on my second of at least four playthroughs of Fire Emblem (an easy Game of the Year).
So, against all odds, my opinion of the game has actually gone down following the update.
Either Elden is a completely useless character, incapable of doing any significant damage at all until high levels, or the game has doubled down on its bullet sponge enemies even on Normal difficulty now. I have never felt more ineffectual in an ARPG.
Actually, that criticism applies to all melee heroes. It feels like the game was balanced around Lukian and only Lukian.
Oh, and the game crashes a lot because it's developed by amateur-hour morons.
Yep, I just stopped playing entirely after the update. The game crashes a lot now and it is much harder. I don't mind a challenge, but it is now ridiculous unless you play Lukian. Not sure what they were thinking, but whatever it was it is going to cost them buyers.
Yep, I just stopped playing entirely after the update. The game crashes a lot now and it is much harder. I don't mind a challenge, but it is now ridiculous unless you play Lukian. Not sure what they were thinking, but whatever it was it is going to cost them buyers.
I have no idea what they were thinking. ARPGs are not supposed to be difficult, and cerrainly not before endgame.
great graphics?compared to what ?They are puny little characters looked at from above so NOTHING is very enjoyable to watch especially once the light show begins.
engaging combat??LMAO now this one i find real funny,an ARPG with engaging combat...seriously?
Arpg do nothing but create builds that MINDLESSLY slaughter >>EASY AI foe.
If i were to rate it 1-10 for engaging,it is mindless so a 2/10 not even remotely close,i could name likely hundreds ...thousands of better combat games.
Yeah if you want to dumb down to a simple definition "engaging"delightful,that is NOT how a real gamer would use a rating system to describe combat.
I have seen first hand,people never played an arpg before playing their friends build and cake walked through mobs while barely paying attention.The chat was bombarding the kid with insults and he responded by saying ...i am not trying to prove anything,i am just messing around,i will likely never play this game again after today.
The point however was that the player was a NON factor ,the build is the whole factor and the super easy mobs make it even easier.Now most ARPG's allow you to scale up the difficulty but that is not done with better AI or better thinking by the player,it is done with simple number jacking.
Bottom line for me,this site often uses way to SIMPLE of a scoring system...pros cons does not really tell a story at all.It is much like the review articles ,NEVER comparing the product to others and never down rating versus possible better products,the ONLY real purpose is to create a fallacy that every product they review is the best.That is what this review does,it compares the game to really nothing,just says pros cons here is my score lol...sigh.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I will give a little insight into why so many give terrible scores.
I will use the idea of graphics.
If someone grew up on anime and barely beyond teenage years is still likely adored to anime,hey no problem.However when you are RATING ideas such as graphics,it is not a BIASED score,it should be done with knowledge of how the graphics are actually done.
example polycount,EFFORT,animation "this one is oft missed by most that don't really understand animation".Textures,lighting,view distance"not much good creating anything nice if you can't actually see it.Details in the character and this can go in a few directions but a solid effort would involve "separate"pieces,moving pieces,example maybe a canteen bouncing around on the back.
IS there a belt,does it look like a separate piece of clothing or is it a simple texture pasted on the character.How many vertices are used,the more the merrier,fewer means lazier work.How many actual animation frames to make each sequence more the merrier,fewer is lazier work.
Are the lighting effects plausibly real,or is there ridiculous lighting bolts coming from a Scythe for example.Sometimes trying to be too flashy just looks stupid and ruins the visibility of the action.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I had fun with it UNTIL I got hit with a profile reset bug. They rolled back other players to a previous save files and others like me didn't get helped.
For weeks now I have not been to play a game I paid for ... I cannot even complete the get first fight the game offers because my character had no weapon or armor ( they wouldn't give me the starting weapon ) The devs didn't believe me saying that they had thousands of hours test time and it couldn't happen. So I recorded a video showing my problem and sent it to them. Won't hear anything back until after gamescon.
Hopefully it gets fixed because there is potential if they get rid of the mobile-esque maps.
An update. Never did hear back from them and haven't seen anything showing they fixed anything or anyone with the same problem.
As for me I had to grind grind grind grind grind the very first battle I don't know how many times to level up enough where I could advance in the stage to where you meet an NPC. I let her do the killing but still no weapon or armor after the mission. So I went into the next mission and again let the NPC do the killing. Half way through the stage I finally found a weapon.
Can finally play the game again after months of them doing nothing to help a paying customer.
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Amen, so many readers are hyper critical, ready to nail the author to the cross for the slightest misstep or disagreement with their opinion. Although I agree 8/10 is a bit generous at this time, I do understand how first impressions can be a bit misleading. At the surface the game is visually appealing, its something quite unique and gives a very different flavor than most ARPGs. Its not until you dive a bit deeper that you start to uncover some of the areas for improvement. It has good bones and I applaud the devs for listening to the community and pushing out major improvements so far, just give it some more time in the oven.
Every game, especially early beta access games experience a hype decline similar to this. I wouldn't be so quick to determine a 4/10 based on these average player figures as they do not tell the whole story. A 4/10 as of April sure, but not in its current state. Some important missing information here would be the major BFPs that have dropped after the initial decline of the player base. I would speculate many either wrote the game off before these major updates and improvements went live, are waiting for official launch, or are waiting for the rest of the major changes to be completed before diving in.
But I was actually more interested in finding a new (and more recent) ARPG to play and had my eye on Pagan Online before it released. But even at a 8/10, I don't think it reflects what is there and what the game is from everything I've been seeing and reading.
Then again, I haven't played it myself but I don't think it's for me. So my search continues!
How are people finding D3 these days though?
Adventure mode is the future of aRPGs though and I'm surprised other games haven't tried to copy it yet.
The game is getting a major update today and I look forward to giving it another chance. I doubt it will fix most of my issues with the game, but maybe it'll be a fair step forward.
I can not believe they are going to release without it. It's going to get destroyed in the Steam reviews.
... and the campaign missions still aren't co-op.
Soooo many people are going to refund.
Not that I'll be playing it much in the short term. Cyclops and Colossus are coming to MUA3 in a few days, and I'm only on my second of at least four playthroughs of Fire Emblem (an easy Game of the Year).
Either Elden is a completely useless character, incapable of doing any significant damage at all until high levels, or the game has doubled down on its bullet sponge enemies even on Normal difficulty now. I have never felt more ineffectual in an ARPG.
Actually, that criticism applies to all melee heroes. It feels like the game was balanced around Lukian and only Lukian.
Oh, and the game crashes a lot because it's developed by amateur-hour morons.
engaging combat??LMAO now this one i find real funny,an ARPG with engaging combat...seriously?
Arpg do nothing but create builds that MINDLESSLY slaughter >>EASY AI foe.
If i were to rate it 1-10 for engaging,it is mindless so a 2/10 not even remotely close,i could name likely hundreds ...thousands of better combat games.
Yeah if you want to dumb down to a simple definition "engaging"delightful,that is NOT how a real gamer would use a rating system to describe combat.
I have seen first hand,people never played an arpg before playing their friends build and cake walked through mobs while barely paying attention.The chat was bombarding the kid with insults and he responded by saying ...i am not trying to prove anything,i am just messing around,i will likely never play this game again after today.
The point however was that the player was a NON factor ,the build is the whole factor and the super easy mobs make it even easier.Now most ARPG's allow you to scale up the difficulty but that is not done with better AI or better thinking by the player,it is done with simple number jacking.
Bottom line for me,this site often uses way to SIMPLE of a scoring system...pros cons does not really tell a story at all.It is much like the review articles ,NEVER comparing the product to others and never down rating versus possible better products,the ONLY real purpose is to create a fallacy that every product they review is the best.That is what this review does,it compares the game to really nothing,just says pros cons here is my score lol...sigh.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
As for me I had to grind grind grind grind grind the very first battle I don't know how many times to level up enough where I could advance in the stage to where you meet an NPC. I let her do the killing but still no weapon or armor after the mission. So I went into the next mission and again let the NPC do the killing. Half way through the stage I finally found a weapon.
Can finally play the game again after months of them doing nothing to help a paying customer.