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Need advice & facts on duel monitor setup for gaming while watching live streaming tv/sports ect

JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
in Hardware
Calling on all my MMORPG Brethren and Sisterren (is that a word?)  for advice.

So im in the process of building a new PC. Not sparing any expense im going with a 2080TI  I think its 8 or 11GB, I9 9900K ect ect. Its going to be a beefy rig. 

    Here is my question

  I want to run a duel monitor setup, 2 LG Ultra Wide monitors running at 2560 x 1080 , 1 i will game on one and the other will have live streaming, either a movie from netflix or lets say a football game ( live game not a video game)....

With my new  rig should i expect any performance hit because gaming would be my number one concern . I want flawless 100+ fps while gaming, if live streaming while gaming is going to bring me below 100 with the moniters im not sure i want to do it.

  Any suggestions , advice or expierance would be greatly appreciated , Thx in advance guys & gals

  • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

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  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    edited September 2019
    If you're going with a beefy rig you "shouldn't" have problems if the games you're playing are properly optimised. 

    Only thing that should theoretically have any effect on your gaming experience if you play online games and watch live streams at the same time. That also depends on your internet speed.
    JeffSpicoli

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    The performance hit is going to be really small. Performance-wise there won't be any problems.

    Unless you're planning to place those monitors on top of each other I'd recommend staying away from ultra-wides, though. Two ultra-wide monitors side by side are so wide it's not very comfortable to watch.
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  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    edited September 2019
    Vrika said:
    The performance hit is going to be really small. Performance-wise there won't be any problems.

    Unless you're planning to place those monitors on top of each other I'd recommend staying away from ultra-wides, though. Two ultra-wide monitors side by side are so wide it's not very comfortable to watch.
    No i am planning to stack them with a arm attachment. I  plan to game at eye level and then have a college football game running above it.
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  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    bestever said:
    I would grab 1440p if you can afford it. With that setup, you should be able to chew through 1440p.

    I play on my 1080ti while streaming Netflix and I don't get much of a hit if any at all. That's on a Ryzen 2700x so you should be fine. I'm also playing at 1440p.
    Ok good to know, i already have 1 of the monitors so i wanted to have matching. Probably will just stick with  2560 x 1080 for now though

    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    DMKano said:
    I have 3 monitors and watch live streams while gaming all the time with zero issues - this can done on a rig that's 1/4th the power you listed.

    Streaming on 2nd monitor is extemely low in terms of resources needed.
     So with the I9 and a 2080 TI i could realistically expect no performance hit at all ? Thats really awesome news

    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    Also for what im planning on doing should i be considering a Ryzen verse the intel ?

    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Streaming and games have a totally different set of bottlenecks: games are all about GPU and CPU with tiny amounts of ethernet traffic and streaming is all about ethernet with small GPU and CPU usage. You should have zero problems with that.

    Like others have said though dual ultrawides is uncomfortable and kind of unnecessary for streaming unless you only watch movies. TV streams are all 16:9.
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  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    edited September 2019
    Iselin said:
    Streaming and games have a totally different set of bottlenecks: games are all about GPU and CPU with tiny amounts of ethernet traffic and streaming is all about ethernet with small GPU and CPU usage. You should have zero problems with that.

    Like others have said though dual ultrawides is uncomfortable and kind of unnecessary for streaming unless you only watch movies. TV streams are all 16:9.
    No i know, The ultra wide will give me no advantage for sports & movies with the exception of a few in the resolution . Its more about the aesthetics , i just want them to match, stupid i know but hey, its what i like.

      Thx for the advice 

    Related image    This is what i have in mind

    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • centkincentkin Member RarePosts: 1,527
    You don't need much of a computer to do streaming.  So why not have two -- the gaming PC and the streaming PC?  It is always best to have as little running when gaming.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Video decoding mostly uses a special video decode block that isn't used for gaming.  That's why dinky, little integrated GPUs can do it:  they also have a video decode block, and possibly the same as a high end GPU from the same vendor.  So while there will be a performance hit to your frame rates, it will be pretty negligible--probably no more than a few percent.  AMD actually used to be very fond of showing off demos where their latest integrated GPU could run a game and play a video at the same time, precisely because it's easier on hardware than most people expect.

    The bigger performance concern is Internet bandwidth.  Streaming videos takes a lot of bandwidth, and that could stomp on the bandwidth needs of your games.  That's not a concern for single-player games, but could be a problem for things that are very latency sensitive.  It's also possible that something in your system will identify the game as more important than the video and throttle the video.
    JeffSpicoli
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    A meager 1080 pixels of height counts as sparing no expense these days?  I think of that as mid-range at best, if not lower end.  The only real exception is e-sports people who prioritize frame rates over image quality and want a TN monitor with 240 Hz or better.
  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    edited September 2019
    Quizzical said:
    A meager 1080 pixels of height counts as sparing no expense these days?  I think of that as mid-range at best, if not lower end.  The only real exception is e-sports people who prioritize frame rates over image quality and want a TN monitor with 240 Hz or better.
    truth of the matter is i currently own a 2560 1080 ultrawide and its relatively new so rather then junk it or attempt to sell it (no desire dealing with that)  i figure ill just get another duplicate  but now that you mention it how it work if i was to go with the same monitor size wise but lets say in 4k ?

      So...
      My 2560 x 1080 on top streaming a netflix or a college game

     And then my 4k ultra wide on the bottom for gaming ? How does that work ? Is that even possible to run 2 moniters with my desktop at different resolutions? 

      Will this affect performance in single player games ?

      If I'm understanding correctly online games are going to take a hit regardless if i have NASA or Quantum computer from google , and resoltion will play no part in this, yes ? Because of bandwidth .....

    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Why jump to 4K?  Why not 2560x1440?

    If you're buying a monitor, you should buy what makes sense for your own personal situation, of course.  But even at 1920x1080, nearly everything I do on a computer runs out of vertical space before horizontal.  If your computer usage has basically nothing in common with mine, so that a wider, shorter monitor makes sense, then go ahead.  But I'm skeptical that that is your situation.

    The other problem with very high resolutions is that, unless you also get a lot of inches, it makes the pixels very small.  Some programs will scale well to handle that, and some won't.  Making a bunch of stuff way too small makes some programs awkward to use.
    JeffSpicoli
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    bestever said:
    JeffSpicoli said:
    Also for what im planning on doing should i be considering a Ryzen verse the intel ?
    The 9900k will give you a bit more FPS over the 3000 series but nothing too crazy. If the 3950x was the same price I would take that over the 9900k but we seem to be having a shortage on those and the price is jacked up right now. The other plus for AMD is the PCI 4.0 on x570 chipset which doesn't do much for GPU's but will give you blazing M.2 speeds. I think AMD will be changing to a different socket after 2020 so that might be a slite negative but at least they don't do it as much as intel.
    The reason that it is hard to find the Ryzen 9 3950X is that it hasn't launched yet.  AMD says it is coming in November.
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    JeffSpicoli said:
    Quizzical said:
    A meager 1080 pixels of height counts as sparing no expense these days?  I think of that as mid-range at best, if not lower end.  The only real exception is e-sports people who prioritize frame rates over image quality and want a TN monitor with 240 Hz or better.
    truth of the matter is i currently own a 2560 1080 ultrawide and its relatively new so rather then junk it or attempt to sell it (no desire dealing with that)  i figure ill just get another duplicate  but now that you mention it how it work if i was to go with the same monitor size wise but lets say in 4k ?

      So...
      My 2560 x 1080 on top streaming a netflix or a college game

     And then my 4k ultra wide on the bottom for gaming ? How does that work ? Is that even possible to run 2 moniters with my desktop at different resolutions? 

      Will this affect performance in single player games ?

      If I'm understanding correctly online games are going to take a hit regardless if i have NASA or Quantum computer from google , and resoltion will play no part in this, yes ? Because of bandwidth .....
    All your monitors can have different resolutions.

    The resolution doesn't play any part in online games taking a hit, and the hit to online games isn't even to your refresh rate, it'll be a hit to your latency when the net connection is trying to transfer both the game's data and the video stream. But the hit depends a lot on your net connection. If you've got something like 10 MBPS connection there will be a significant hit, whereas if you've got 100 MBPS connection the hit could be so small you don't notice it unless you're playing online FPS games seriously.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Gorwe said:
    I'll give you another advice against it. Sure, you MIGHT be able to multitask enough, but chances are that you'll just get lost in multitasking. And end up with ribbons of both of both experiences.

    I know it's not a tech advice, but more of a meta one. Still, doesn't hurt to mention.
    Some things are more suited to multi-visuals. Sports, especially baseball and soccer, are perfect for this - just the sound with an occasional glance is good enough.

    I have my computer in the same room as my large screen TV. I stream through the PS4 while playing games on the PC all the time. I pause the stream sometimes if I have to pay attention to the game or just find a handy AFK spot in the game if I want to focus on the stream.

    I never do this with movies or TV shows I actually want to watch though, or when games require my full attention.
    [Deleted User]Gorwe
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Gorwe said:
    Iselin said:
    Gorwe said:
    I'll give you another advice against it. Sure, you MIGHT be able to multitask enough, but chances are that you'll just get lost in multitasking. And end up with ribbons of both of both experiences.

    I know it's not a tech advice, but more of a meta one. Still, doesn't hurt to mention.
    Some things are more suited to multi-visuals. Sports, especially baseball and soccer, are perfect for this - just the sound with an occasional glance is good enough.

    I have my computer in the same room as my large screen TV. I stream through the PS4 while playing games on the PC all the time. I pause the stream sometimes if I have to pay attention to the game or just find a handy AFK spot in the game if I want to focus on the stream.

    I never do this with movies or TV shows I actually want to watch though, or when games require my full attention.
    Well, I remember when I tried to watch two soccer matches at the same time. I think one was Arsenal vs ... Chelsea(?) and the other was something from Serie A(Cagliari vs...Inter???). Regardless, I barely remember anything that happened and I was very confused, even though the TVs were practically next to eachother.

    ...but then again, maybe I suck at that. :D
    When I try to watch one soccer match at a time, it seems like barely anything happens the whole match.  Except for the one time that someone flagrantly flops inside the goalie box, draws a garbage penalty, makes the penalty kick, and his team wins the game 1-0 because nothing else happened the entire match.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    I've been running dual monitors for ... a really long time now. There is no tangible hit to FPS from the second monitor, so long as you aren't running a second game on it.

    It used to be on some DX9 and lower games, running in Windowed mode took a small FPS hit over full screen... and some games didn't have a dedicated "Borderless" windowed mode... and running full screen switching to the second monitor (even with just a mouse) caused the full screen game to kick out of full screen.... and gSync had issues running in Windowed mode. But that wasn't all games, and DX10+ and modern video drivers do much better with that.

    Right now I'm running a GTX980 (much, much slower than a 2080Ti), on two 4K monitors. I don't get 100FPS, but it works fine, can stream fine, no issues apart from the occasional nVidia driver wonkiness.

    Streaming video doesn't stress modern GPUs at all, including integrated GPUs. 
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