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Gigabear · October 2019

I've been an AoC backer since March 2018 and have been following this game since it went into testing in Sept 2018 and was soon met with mass community rejection.

Fast forward to today and despite us begging Intrepid not to do this, they did. Now on Steam, the concurrency metrics are terrible. Before the new map dropped they didn't even break 100 users on Steam the day before at their peak. AKA, enough players for a single normal battle royale match. It looks like the new map didn't even bring them back to where they were last week at the same time.

I hope Intrepid realizes nobody wants this and focuses exclusively on the MMORPG now that it has been shown to be non-viable.

Kyleran · October 2019

You might be right, about both Apoc and the MMORPG as I believe they needed the BR to help fund the completion of the latter.

Asm0deus · October 2019

Wasn't the battle royal suppose to be something just to test the combat part of the mmorpg?

Phry · October 2019

Asm0deus said:

Wasn't the battle royal suppose to be something just to test the combat part of the mmorpg?

Possibly, more likely they were hoping that it might generate revenue like Fortnite did, an unlikely scenario at best.

Scot · October 2019

Phry said:

Asm0deus said:

Wasn't the battle royal suppose to be something just to test the combat part of the mmorpg?

Possibly, more likely they were hoping that it might generate revenue like Fortnite did, an unlikely scenario at best.

That's what they said, this is like seeing a brick wall in front of you and still deciding to drive your car into it.

Kyleran · October 2019

Scot said:

Phry said:

Asm0deus said:

Wasn't the battle royal suppose to be something just to test the combat part of the mmorpg?

Possibly, more likely they were hoping that it might generate revenue like Fortnite did, an unlikely scenario at best.

That's what they said, this is like seeing a brick wall in front of you and still deciding to drive your car into it.

Twice. into it twice...

Wizardry · October 2019

Well @ OP
I am not that great at expressing my words in very few words,,i know that.

However i did just comment on this game and how i feel it all went down and what to expect going forward.I am quite certain Mr.Sharif has already sort of given up but is trying to pull off whatever income he can with very few resources.

To further develop the mmorpg,he would need CONFIDENCE that the effort,time and money would be worth it.Do you or anyone else feel he is that confident right now,i don't.

So all he has left now is PR,biased media outlets to spread the hype but imo he has no game anymore.Even from the very first day i heard of this game, i was very skeptical because all that pushed onto us was some talk about this backdoor code that changes towns over time.

I do not own a game but i could tell you almost everything about designing each and ever system.What is my point,well my point is that when i see articles or media outlets endorsing games and all i see is some superficial gimmick,i KNOW there is no game.By "no game" i mean a quality game i would want to play.

Remember Landmark?I knew that there was not going to be any EQnext.AOC and COE and Crowfall are all games that do the same thing hype up nothing to try and get more money.Geesh Star Citizen has been pulling off this veil of deceit for a few years now.

Phry · October 2019

Kyleran said:

Scot said:

Phry said:

Asm0deus said:

Wasn't the battle royal suppose to be something just to test the combat part of the mmorpg?

Possibly, more likely they were hoping that it might generate revenue like Fortnite did, an unlikely scenario at best.

That's what they said, this is like seeing a brick wall in front of you and still deciding to drive your car into it.

Twice. into it twice...

Maybe they thought the wall was a loot box, and the first time was just bad luck

Theocritus · October 2019

Is this the Ashes of Creation that was started by the EQ2 devs that was supposed to be the greatest game of all time? Or is this a different game that has the same name?

Gigabear · October 2019

Theocritus said:

Is this the Ashes of Creation that was started by the EQ2 devs that was supposed to be the greatest game of all time? Or is this a different game that has the same name?

Apocalypse is the monetized battle royale game they made instead of the MMORPG alpha they lead us all to believe was coming.

It is indeed the same studio that was supposed to make the game that would "save the industry." I have ever growing doubts that game will ever materialize. Among the bad signs such as endless delays and no solid updates on the MMORPG or its mechanics, we now also have the CEO throwing tantrums where he bans people who challenge him on his BS claims everything is going just fine and then trolls them after.

This video explains it better than I could, and asks the question I wish I had seriously asked before I backed the thing for $500

Soybean · January 2020

Gigabear said:

Theocritus said:

Is this the Ashes of Creation that was started by the EQ2 devs that was supposed to be the greatest game of all time? Or is this a different game that has the same name?

Apocalypse is the monetized battle royale game they made instead of the MMORPG alpha they lead us all to believe was coming.

It is indeed the same studio that was supposed to make the game that would "save the industry." I have ever growing doubts that game will ever materialize. Among the bad signs such as endless delays and no solid updates on the MMORPG or its mechanics, we now also have the CEO throwing tantrums where he bans people who challenge him on his BS claims everything is going just fine and then trolls them after.

This video explains it better than I could, and asks the question I wish I had seriously asked before I backed the thing for $500

There were a few brave people who did ask questions and they were shot down pretty much from people like it'sziz, bigcheekedgiant and other you tubers who were looking for a pay day from Steven. It wasn't until Steven pissed it'sziz off was when he stopped supporting the game. I agree the game is just another cash grab. I personally think that his opinion is very biased both good and bad.

Wizardry · January 2020

Know why here is such a huge problem seeing gaming move forwards?

$$$$$$

99% of these devs care more about making a buck than a game and with that kind of attitude,we are never going to see a quality game.Every single one of these outfits are thinking of ways to cut corners,costs and efforts.

So many suckers paid into the current trend of crowd funding that seems every dev is asking or free handouts now.it is like the panhandler you see at malls,donut shops,busy intersections,they are never going to go away if you keep giving them free handouts.

For a lot of these it is tough to fathom weather any of them are truly out to make a game or simply looking for free money.I feel like even the SC group of people actually feel they have a good game for their money>>>>LMAO whatever,dream on,enjoy idc,i just look around and see a lot of fools.

Was this game ever truly legit,likely somewhat but like many soon realized the cost and effort needed then was like wtf,this isn't going to work unless we get Chris Robert's type of handouts into the 200 million range.

Soybean · January 2020

Wizardry said:

Know why here is such a huge problem seeing gaming move forwards?

$$$$$$

99% of these devs care more about making a buck than a game and with that kind of attitude,we are never going to see a quality game.Every single one of these outfits are thinking of ways to cut corners,costs and efforts.

So many suckers paid into the current trend of crowd funding that seems every dev is asking or free handouts now.it is like the panhandler you see at malls,donut shops,busy intersections,they are never going to go away if you keep giving them free handouts.

For a lot of these it is tough to fathom weather any of them are truly out to make a game or simply looking for free money.I feel like even the SC group of people actually feel they have a good game for their money>>>>LMAO whatever,dream on,enjoy idc,i just look around and see a lot of fools.

Was this game ever truly legit,likely somewhat but like many soon realized the cost and effort needed then was like wtf,this isn't going to work unless we get Chris Robert's type of handouts into the 200 million range.

There are a lot of games made for under the $10 million mark that are pretty decent. Black desert (although a cash grab) was made for $6 million. Steven did say he has plenty of investors on top of the money from the kickstarter and the summer backer program and any money he got from My.com. Despite all of this money Steven got, he is throwing the over priced cash shop in our faces before the game even came out. Then there are the Unity store assets he is using, don't cost that much to buy and some are even free. The spells used in the battle royale for example, are from the unity store. The character models look like they too are from the unity store.

You mention Chris Roberts the difference is he keeps adding to the game and never completing the core of the game. So who knows if that game is ever going coming out.

Gigabear · March 2020

Game now OFFICIALLY DOA. Fs in the chat for Intrepid Studios' misguided sidegame.

#Gigabearwasright

Ungood · March 2020

I thought the AoC Apoc just some shiny-shit they tossed at players to give them something to screw around with, and a Test Server like thing, for them to experiment with features, cosmetics, and things like that, before they put it in the MMO.

Like a Alpha Playground, for what will be in the MMO, with no need for it make sense.

Gigabear · March 2020

Ungood said:

I thought the AoC Apoc just some shiny-shit they tossed at players to give them something to screw around with, and a Test Server like thing, for them to experiment with features, cosmetics, and things like that, before they put it in the MMO.

Like a Alpha Playground, for what will be in the MMO, with no need for it make sense.

That's what they claimed, but then slapped a cash shop on it and tried to keep it going long after any conceivable testing benefits had passed. I don't believe for a second this had anything to do with game systems. Looks like an obvious cash grab to me.

Ungood · March 2020

Gigabear said:

Ungood said:

I thought the AoC Apoc just some shiny-shit they tossed at players to give them something to screw around with, and a Test Server like thing, for them to experiment with features, cosmetics, and things like that, before they put it in the MMO.

Like a Alpha Playground, for what will be in the MMO, with no need for it make sense.

That's what they claimed, but then slapped a cash shop on it and tried to keep it going long after any conceivable testing benefits had passed. I don't believe for a second this had anything to do with game systems. Looks like an obvious cash grab to me.

To be fair, the Testing Benefits of a BR Spin Off , for an MMO, don't really end. As they could use the BR long after the game goes lives, to test variables in stats, abilities, and the like in relation to PvP in the MMO itself.

It also gives them a playground for cosmetics, animation, and a slew of others things, that could serve them long after the game launched, and be grounds for features and the like for expansions and updates.

With that said.. at the very least, the Testing Benefits of Apoc, should be very important right up till at the very least an Open Beta, so.. do AoC the MMO have an Open Beta yet?

If not, Apoc is still the ideal playground to test for the MMO, as everything is in Alpha or Earlier development.

As for a Cash Shop, as long as it is not unbalancing, IE: Does not give a game play advantage, then I don't see a problem if players want to support a game they are currently having fun playing. In fact, this could be an ideal time for them to test the waters as to what would be good things to put into the MMO.

Just saying.

Gigabear · March 2020

AoC doesn't even have an ALPHA yet lol. All of those potential testing benefits could and should have been handled in a barebones testing environment, kept in house(to the existing pool of testers).

I doubt many would have cared about the BR situation if it hadn't effectively replaced the scheduled alpha, which is now a full year behind schedule and climbing. The cash shop was a problem because it was implemented while the BR was extremely buggy and unfinished.

Also we, the alpha 1 backers, didn't expect we'd ever have to PAY again($500 wasn't enough it seems) to get access to the cosmetics from it. The Ember counts from actually playing it were crap. You literally had to coin for the majority of those cosmetics.

Understand that Apocalypse wasn't originally called Apocalypse. It was literally called alpha 1 phase 1. Proffered as a "just for testing" mode for the MMORPG. It then became a totally independent game monetized to the hilt. And has rightly died as a result of that.

Kyleran · March 2020

Davlos said:

Ungood said:

Gigabear said:

Ungood said:

I thought the AoC Apoc just some shiny-shit they tossed at players to give them something to screw around with, and a Test Server like thing, for them to experiment with features, cosmetics, and things like that, before they put it in the MMO.

Like a Alpha Playground, for what will be in the MMO, with no need for it make sense.

That's what they claimed, but then slapped a cash shop on it and tried to keep it going long after any conceivable testing benefits had passed. I don't believe for a second this had anything to do with game systems. Looks like an obvious cash grab to me.

To be fair, the Testing Benefits of a BR Spin Off , for an MMO, don't really end. As they could use the BR long after the game goes lives, to test variables in stats, abilities, and the like in relation to PvP in the MMO itself.

It also gives them a playground for cosmetics, animation, and a slew of others things, that could serve them long after the game launched, and be grounds for features and the like for expansions and updates.

With that said.. at the very least, the Testing Benefits of Apoc, should be very important right up till at the very least an Open Beta, so.. do AoC the MMO have an Open Beta yet?

If not, Apoc is still the ideal playground to test for the MMO, as everything is in Alpha or Earlier development.

As for a Cash Shop, as long as it is not unbalancing, IE: Does not give a game play advantage, then I don't see a problem if players want to support a game they are currently having fun playing. In fact, this could be an ideal time for them to test the waters as to what would be good things to put into the MMO.

Just saying.

OP has a clear agenda against the game, and still steadfastly claims to have committed no wrongdoing despite doxxing the game's owner.

More details here. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1u3vzdNYtEE5sozRA504ZJTLRqSxpKaO8

Doesn't make his points regarding the game any less valid though, but good job on the ad hominem, if a little too heavy handed for those living under the bridge.

Kyleran · March 2020

Davlos said:

Kyleran said:

Davlos said:

Ungood said:

Gigabear said:

Ungood said:

I thought the AoC Apoc just some shiny-shit they tossed at players to give them something to screw around with, and a Test Server like thing, for them to experiment with features, cosmetics, and things like that, before they put it in the MMO.

Like a Alpha Playground, for what will be in the MMO, with no need for it make sense.

That's what they claimed, but then slapped a cash shop on it and tried to keep it going long after any conceivable testing benefits had passed. I don't believe for a second this had anything to do with game systems. Looks like an obvious cash grab to me.

To be fair, the Testing Benefits of a BR Spin Off , for an MMO, don't really end. As they could use the BR long after the game goes lives, to test variables in stats, abilities, and the like in relation to PvP in the MMO itself.

It also gives them a playground for cosmetics, animation, and a slew of others things, that could serve them long after the game launched, and be grounds for features and the like for expansions and updates.

With that said.. at the very least, the Testing Benefits of Apoc, should be very important right up till at the very least an Open Beta, so.. do AoC the MMO have an Open Beta yet?

If not, Apoc is still the ideal playground to test for the MMO, as everything is in Alpha or Earlier development.

As for a Cash Shop, as long as it is not unbalancing, IE: Does not give a game play advantage, then I don't see a problem if players want to support a game they are currently having fun playing. In fact, this could be an ideal time for them to test the waters as to what would be good things to put into the MMO.

Just saying.

OP has a clear agenda against the game, and still steadfastly claims to have committed no wrongdoing despite doxxing the game's owner.

More details here. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1u3vzdNYtEE5sozRA504ZJTLRqSxpKaO8

Doesn't make his points regarding the game any less valid though, but good job on the ad hominem, if a little too heavy handed for those living under the bridge.

His points are invalid once you've read through his Twitter & Discord history, and realize he is repeating the same talking points as just politicians do on election campaigns for the cynical purpose of gathering consensus from the subaltern.

The position he's taken over the last 16 months on Apocalypse are diametrically opposed to his initial supportiveness of the game, and the change occurred after the incidents which led up to his removal from the community. As the PDF rightfully exposes, he's deliberately causing damage to the game out of the hope that the dev team begs for his forgiveness. Contrary to his claim over the last 16 months, he was not banned for his supposed opposition and critique of Apocalypse, but for his persistent disruption and upheaval to the community, which included and was not limited to disrupting an Extra Life charity stream for an extended period of time.

This is someone who has sought to influence dev creative decisions by any means necessary, for purposes which are detrimental to the vast majority of the game's backers. The same behavior occurred in WoW for similar motives. Your defense of him is, while noble, misgudied by imperfect information.

I'll try again.

He said the devs turned a test environment into a sellable BR, giving it a name, a cash shop chock full of items, and that said BR failed miserably, which appears to all be accurate.

He said the BR diverted progress on the MMORPGs alpha one phase, it clearly has as the original timeline had it starting long ago.

He said many backers never wanted any of this, take a look at the vehement response any article here or on MOP draws whenever Ashes is mentioned, clearly the natives are restless.

His motivations are irrelevant to me, I don't care if he is a psychopath who wants to bring the entire game development to an end, are his points above inaccurate and if so, in what way?

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