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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Gamigo finally acknowledged that previous pay-models have been 'unpopular' and are trying their best to make a non pay-to-win offering. I think they're worthy of being given a shot at least. The fact that XL Games is accommodating their vision so far is encouraging. If they were really going for a money grab they would have announced 'Archeage Unchained - The Mobile Game' and asked if you people had phones.
Besides the fact that I already paid 150 for the game. Besides the fact that it is published by Gamigo. Besides the fact that that the original is p2w and there is little reason to believe this version will be different in the long run.
Besides all of that AA was much less then the sum of its parts for me. On paper its my favourite game ever with a near perfect feature list. In reality it fell completely flat for me and I left after a month of trying to dig it, landrush and all.
Good luck to those brave/foolish enough to dive in, again.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Gamigo finally acknowledged that previous pay-models have been 'unpopular' and are trying their best to make a non pay-to-win offering. I think they're worthy of being given a shot at least. The fact that XL Games is accommodating their vision so far is encouraging. If they were really going for a money grab they would have announced 'Archeage Unchained - The Mobile Game' and asked if you people had phones.
All you need to know about Gamigo is on their website, just looking at the list of games highlights that when it comes to 'unpopular' monetisation models, they are the experts.
For me I had already paid $50 for the game and I am not going to pay twice for the same thing.
Nether Trion or Gamigo addressed player concerns during the live streams. It always ends up with
"we are listening"
" we hear you",
It is like they want you to pay money to find out what they could have told us in a form post. Sure, the video looks nice and all but if you are driving a car or a hauler through the new area, are the animals going to bring you to a dead stop? Are they using a different engine that might stop some of the hacks where you can go through walls? Or how about the issue where people were falling through the world without even trying to? Has the broken mage class changed at all where you can pre-cast spells and kill someone in 1.5 sec? Who cares about that when the butt on the elf looks so nice and OOOOOOooooo nice graphics! (/sarcasm)
What are they planing to do to stop some of the land grabbing problems? On a certain server which shall remain nameless, they randomized the timer for when you can place land after the building goes down, so other people actually have a chance to get land and not one person owning half the map. What do they plan to do to stop botters instead of just letting them run wild all over the server. IMHO if they are going to let some people bot then everyone should be allowed to. That brings me too, Is there going to be any kind of favoritism like there was before? Does any of the Gamigo staff plan on joining any player guilds? If I remember right that cause quite a bit of tension between Trion and the player base. I mean not that they cared at all. Also lets not forget the more money you spent, the more Trion bent the rules to help you.
But Instead of answers we are told:
"we are listening"
" we hear you"
Then of course EVERYTHING is XL's fault. The lack of information coupled with the XL blame game has not changed from the day Trion first published AA to this. Oh, but it is going to be different this time! Just part with $25 to find out. Sure the pay to win issue is a big one but there are also many, many other problems that are not being addressed. If Gamigo can't be bother to give us any kind of information, then I cannot be bothered to give them my money.
Thar update is also going on regular F2P servers not only Unchained.
Yea, it says at the end of the clip. Seems like good improvements visually.
I agree - the visual improvements are good - good job by XL there.
Too bad they are stuck with a publisher much worse than Trion (at least Trion had mediocre server hosting and technical staff that was competent enough to host large online games - or you know do super difficult stuff like keep the forums online lol).
I'm not gonna lie, I am interested in this upcoming release. With that said, I'm not dumb so I'll wait and see.
Besides all the obvious negatives of the first go around. Bots, hacks, dupes, P2W etc etc etc.
Is there anything to 'do' in this new version? Other than buying land and farming crap then trying to sell said crap either on AH or transporting it what else is there"? PvP? P2W sort of addressed that. If they keep it 'random' (without buying things to improve chance) then what?
The game had a decent concept, like a lot of games do/did. Problem is the implementations are horrible. Oh they look great when you first try them because theyre sort of different but once you figure them out and then how to 'exploit' them it makes the game boring and way too easy.
I played AA for over a year. in the end it was basically an AH simulator where you just looked to accumulate wealth. Which wouldnt be horrible if there was something to spend it on. But again real money P2W nonsense defeats that.
Thats why I laugh at people who say all this stuff about games and in development trash 'you can buy everything with in game cash'. Still doesnt change the fact you can buy it with real world money and that when they do they also buy every upgrade and advancement you can think of as well. While you spent a thousand hours grinding enough in game money to buy a base item.
And Gamingo from Trion. Thats like having your marriage counselor go from Hindu to Shariah.
Saying Archeage has a "mix" of PVP and PVE is so disingenuous. It's like saying a roller coaster has it's fair share of slow and fast speeds.
New people still getting their ish pushed in at Cinderstone Moor, Ynystere and at sea right?
I'm mainly a PVE player and my farms where in Ynystere. You obviously had to be weary when moving trade packs, but with pvp and securing the path before hand I managed to do it everyday. In 3 months I got ganked once. You can always wait for the peace after a war in land.
Besides, he's technically right. You can PVE in the game as there's zones that are always safe. There's also dungeons and whatnot (been a while since I played. Last area they had was the library place) to do. If I managed to stay in the game for that long, anyone could. I avoided all confrontations anytime I witnessed any.
I only PVPed during events, those battleground zones and when there was war in zones.
There are instanced PvE content. Some zones that are always in peace and some that have a peace/war cycle. As well as some zones that are always contested. At its core it is a PvPvE game.
Faction based PvP or Everybody kill each other PvP?
I just wish the skill system and skills weren't so.......no fun at all. The graphics are pretty good and performance is really good, But the game as a whole has always felt dull, pretty but boring.
They need to hire a fun guy over there and turn him loose.
There are instanced PvE content. Some zones that are always in peace and some that have a peace/war cycle. As well as some zones that are always contested. At its core it is a PvPvE game.
Faction based PvP or Everybody kill each other PvP?
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Different company in charge, different revenue model and, tbh, a very different game from when i played before. I am willing to give it a chance.
Don't kid yourself, same company, XLGames is in charge, and it won't be nearly as different as you think.
Gamers make it just too easy for companies to fleece them over and over.
Exactly what I was thinking. People somehow think the publisher does what they want, they don't. The owner tells them what they are going to publish.
I think we all know my position on gamers and money, it's like they line themselves up to be robbed. Not throwing stones here, I am just as guilty of it until like the last year or so.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Different company in charge, different revenue model and, tbh, a very different game from when i played before. I am willing to give it a chance.
Don't kid yourself, same company, XLGames is in charge, and it won't be nearly as different as you think.
Gamers make it just too easy for companies to fleece them over and over.
Exactly what I was thinking. People somehow think the publisher does what they want, they don't. The owner tells them what they are going to publish.
I think we all know my position on gamers and money, it's like they line themselves up to be robbed. Not throwing stones here, I am just as guilty of it until like the last year or so.
I think most here understand what a publisher is , that being said , altho i will jump in and support AAU i am also skeptical and leary of XL , but on the other hand , lets give them a bit of credit here in finally letting someone try this model , They may be surprised and find that a sustainable SUb based cosmetic shop game can be profitable , The game itself is very fun and immersive that most agree on .. The P2W is what ruined it for most ..
To me it worth finding out ...And lets be supportive of the community that actually likes and plays AA...
None here want to lose there game of choice .. So lets hope for the AA community that Gamigo has success with this model and AA gets to stick around for many years to come ..
This game was great and had they released this game as a non-PTW game Id still be playing it. This is just another cash grab to entice people to come back.
Just let people enjoy what they want to enjoy. If they change the model to be P2W after launch, so what? They are down 26$. They will easily get that value out of it before it goes P2W (If it does)
Seems odd to me that people are complaining about "rebuying" the game. Archeage was free to play when it launched. If you bought a founders pack, you received the items/credits and everything associated with that pack. You played the game for at least a little while. So you got what you paid for.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Besides the fact that it is published by Gamigo.
Besides the fact that that the original is p2w and there is little reason to believe this version will be different in the long run.
Besides all of that AA was much less then the sum of its parts for me. On paper its my favourite game ever with a near perfect feature list. In reality it fell completely flat for me and I left after a month of trying to dig it, landrush and all.
Good luck to those brave/foolish enough to dive in, again.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Is there anything to 'do' in this new version? Other than buying land and farming crap then trying to sell said crap either on AH or transporting it what else is there"? PvP? P2W sort of addressed that. If they keep it 'random' (without buying things to improve chance) then what?
The game had a decent concept, like a lot of games do/did. Problem is the implementations are horrible. Oh they look great when you first try them because theyre sort of different but once you figure them out and then how to 'exploit' them it makes the game boring and way too easy.
I played AA for over a year. in the end it was basically an AH simulator where you just looked to accumulate wealth. Which wouldnt be horrible if there was something to spend it on. But again real money P2W nonsense defeats that.
Thats why I laugh at people who say all this stuff about games and in development trash 'you can buy everything with in game cash'. Still doesnt change the fact you can buy it with real world money and that when they do they also buy every upgrade and advancement you can think of as well. While you spent a thousand hours grinding enough in game money to buy a base item.
And Gamingo from Trion. Thats like having your marriage counselor go from Hindu to Shariah.
New people still getting their ish pushed in at Cinderstone Moor, Ynystere and at sea right?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Besides, he's technically right. You can PVE in the game as there's zones that are always safe. There's also dungeons and whatnot (been a while since I played. Last area they had was the library place) to do. If I managed to stay in the game for that long, anyone could. I avoided all confrontations anytime I witnessed any.
I only PVPed during events, those battleground zones and when there was war in zones.
Philosophy of MMO Game Design
They need to hire a fun guy over there and turn him loose.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I think we all know my position on gamers and money, it's like they line themselves up to be robbed. Not throwing stones here, I am just as guilty of it until like the last year or so.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Watch this space for the usual “I told you so”.