reasons ps3 will fail

Bogdawson · May 2006

first the cost $500 unit and a $600 unit. Swg being ported, bad omen lol. and halo 3 that baby is going to kill sony, that game so so sweet i can't wait, ready to buy a 360 for but will wait until halo is out to see if a price drop is coming

go halo go halo it's your birthday

Spathotan · May 2006

Its already been stated that the price of the 360 will not drop until at least November of 2007, and then it will only be about $20-$50. I actually have the article right here on my desk in a issue of PC Magazine.

Other than good graphics I dont see how this Halo game is different than the other 2. Same plot in each one, horrible singleplayer mode if the other 2 are any indication, only value is the multiplayer. But it looks like Halo 3 is gonna have some tough competition in the multiplayer department, Battlefield 2149 or whatever it is, is suposedly looking preety nice.

MX13 · May 2006

Actually, there's a "leaked" rumor making the rounds that right before the PS3 launches MS will be introducing a new high-end 360 at the current price, and reducing the price of the other two (current) models by $100 bucks each, the goal being to target the PS3 (and potential buyers).

If MS does somthing like this, it could kill the PS3 at launch, and solidify the 360's gaming grip. Time will tell...

Spathotan · May 2006

Originally posted by MX13

Actually, there's a "leaked" rumor making the rounds that right before the PS3 launches MS will be introducing a new high-end 360 at the current price, and reducing the price of the other two (current) models by $100 bucks each, the goal being to target the PS3 (and potential buyers).
If MS does somthing like this, it could kill the PS3 at launch, and solidify the 360's gaming grip. Time will tell...

Two consoles (Wii and 360) being almost half the price of the PS3 would without a doubt kill it before fifty-thousand were even turned on.

Shayde · May 2006

How is the Xbox2 suddenly half the price of PS3? It's frakking 400 bucks. The full-blown PS3 will only be 200 more.

No big deal... especially if you want the Blu-Ray DVD capability. That alone is OVER 600 bucks NOW.

It's like nobody remembers that the PS2 was 300 bucks at shipping... they act like a high-end gaming system should be 80 bucks used.

Odysses · May 2006

I don't think the PS3 will fail but it certainly will not have the lead that it had with the PS2 over the other consoles. One major reason is nobody seems to be backing HD-DvD. For that reason alone PS3 can justify the price because it is introducing new tech. PS2 sold early on for the simple reason it could play DvD's and only cost $299. Unless somehow HD-DvD starts getting a major lead on Blue-Ray, Sony should be ok.

The one console that should kick ass regardless is Wii. They seem to have taken E3 by storm and even Microsoft is helping them out with good word of mouth.

I think this generation most people will own a Xbox 360 and a Wii or a PS3 and a Wii. Nintendo is going to be right back in the thick of things again with a nice chunk of market share and may even be the market leader with alot of cool games and a very cheap price.

britoca · May 2006

the PS3 will obviously fail because I will not buy it.

Spathotan · May 2006

Originally posted by Shayde
How is the Xbox 360 suddenly half the price of PS3? It's frakking 400 bucks. The full-blown PS3 will only be 200 more.

No big deal... especially if you want the Blu-Ray DVD capability. That alone is OVER 600 bucks NOW.

It's like nobody remembers that the PS2 was 300 bucks at shipping... they act like a high-end gaming system should be 80 bucks used.

You should probably read before posting from now on. If you had, you would have seen that I typed "almost half", which was in response to MX saying there is a rumor that the 360 prices will drop by $100 on each of the current models, which would bring them down to $300 and $400.

This is where my "almost half" comment comes into play, try and keep up here ok? The PS3 models will be $500 and $600, the Basic 360 would been $300 (if MX's rumor is true) and the top-end $400, that would make the Basic 360 $200 cheaper than the low-end PS3 , and HALF ($300) the cost of the top-end PS3, and the top end 360 would be $100 cheaper than the low-end PS3, ***and $200 cheaper than the top-end....."ALMOST half".***

Im well aware of the Blu-Ray drive deal, it holds more its more expensive blah blah. Let me just paraphrase the whole Blu-Ray concept here in seven words, Its worthless for console gaming right now.

Spathotan · May 2006

Originally posted by Odysses

I don't think the PS3 will fail but it certainly will not have the lead that it had with the PS2 over the other consoles.    One major reason is nobody seems to be backing HD-DvD.    For that reason alone PS3 can justify the price because it is introducing new tech.   PS2 sold early on for the simple reason it could play DvD's and only cost $299.     Unless somehow HD-DvD starts getting a major lead on Blue-Ray, Sony should be ok.
The one console that should kick ass regardless is Wii.   They seem to have taken E3 by storm and even Microsoft is helping them out with good word of mouth.
I think this generation most people will own a Xbox 360 and a Wii or a PS3 and a Wii.    Nintendo is going to be right back in the thick of things again with a nice chunk of market share and may even be the market leader with alot of cool games and a very cheap price.

Ive been all over E3 last few days, reading everything on Gamespot. Nintendo droped a huge bomb yesterday by reveiling Snake in the new Super Smash Brothers, which means the door has been open to 3rd party characters, the Sonic rumors might be true heh. Each game they have at E3 right now (22 or so I think) for the Wii uses the Wii-mote in its own unique way, so its far from a repetitive, "every game is played the same" concept. I would love to be in one of those hour long lines to play it though right now

blingblade · May 2006

well im not buying a ps3 anyway, its a SOE product so it is boycotted by myself and probably many others..

Shayde · May 2006

Originally posted by Spathotan

Originally posted by Shayde
How is the Xbox 360 suddenly half the price of PS3? It's frakking 400 bucks. The full-blown PS3 will only be 200 more.

No big deal... especially if you want the Blu-Ray DVD capability. That alone is OVER 600 bucks NOW.

It's like nobody remembers that the PS2 was 300 bucks at shipping... they act like a high-end gaming system should be 80 bucks used.

You should probably read before posting from now on. If you had, you would have seen that I typed "almost half", which was in response to MX saying there is a rumor that the 360 prices will drop by $100 on each of the current models, which would bring them down to $300 and $400.

This is where my "almost half" comment comes into play, try and keep up here ok? The PS3 models will be $500 and $600, the Basic 360 would been $300 (if MX's rumor is true) and the top-end $400, that would make the Basic 360 $200 cheaper than the low-end PS3 , and HALF ($300) the cost of the top-end PS3, and the top end 360 would be $100 cheaper than the low-end PS3, ***and $200 cheaper than the top-end....."ALMOST half".***

Im well aware of the Blu-Ray drive deal, it holds more its more expensive blah blah. Let me just paraphrase the whole Blu-Ray concept here in seven words, Its worthless for console gaming right now.

Ok Mr 400 is "almost half" of 600. Please make sure you never go into the fields of Mathmatics or Circumcision.

MX13 · May 2006

Originally posted by Shayde
How is the Xbox2 suddenly half the price of PS3? It's frakking 400 bucks. The full-blown PS3 will only be 200 more.

No big deal... especially if you want the Blu-Ray DVD capability. That alone is OVER 600 bucks NOW.

It's like nobody remembers that the PS2 was 300 bucks at shipping... they act like a high-end gaming system should be 80 bucks used.

Ok, not a flame here, so don't be offended, just sharing:

The base 360 is currently $299 Retail. The high-end PS3 will be $599 Retail.

Pricing by console:

Wii- $249 (no high-def)
360- $299 to $399 (upgrade not released yet for High-Def DVD [Super-DVD I believe?], rumored to be about $99)
PS3- $499 to $599 (High-Def DVD [BR] ready)

If MS drops the 360 price by $100, then I think the other consoles are in REAL trouble.

Squidi · May 2006

I'm sure the PS3 will fail just fine, but SWG is not being ported to the console, making this thread OFF-TOPIC TROLLBAIT. Can't a MMORPG website be excused from retarded console wars?

druarc · May 2006

I gotta agree why is this tripe in here?

please move, mods?

Agricola1 · May 2006

I'm not a massive console person but my son likes them, and the main reason he and his friends like consoles seems to be based around a few games.

The deal breaker for him and his friends is, yes you guessed it, Halo 1&2 also Star Wars Battlefront 2 (not sure if you can get that on a playstation or not). So if you ask him which console he wants and you say "You can only get Halo 3 on an xbox 360". Then I'm afraid the PS3 is just an expensive DVD player, life's a bitch unless your name's Bill Gates I suppose!

Spathotan · May 2006

This is not the post you are looking for.

maxanto · May 2006

Originally posted by Spathotan
Its $100 away from being half of $600, or 1/6th from half. Im preety sure that falls into the field of almost, near, somewhat, relative, within range, or close to.

And since you want to be a smart ass with your little comment there ive nicely highlighted for you, its spelled Mathematics.

Shayde usually rubs me wrong too but I thought he was just being funny in his post. Don't think I am defending him (cause I wouldn't) but since you are getting all snippy I think I will point out some of your spelling errors too.... Look ^^^ up for the corrections. If you are gonna bitch about another persons spelling at least make sure your own is correct ok?

I agree with the guy 100$ is not "almost, near, somewhat, relative, within range, or close to." in my opinion.

However besides all this. Who uses console games anyways? PC's will ALWAYS destroy consoles. Beyond that you have 2 decent consoles... xbox made by Microsoft or playstation made by sony...Thats like voting for presidents in america. Lesser of two evils. No thanks I will keep playing PC's games on computers I design (which are far better than any console will ever be for a varity of reasons)

LilT · May 2006

Originally posted by Squidi
I'm sure the PS3 will fail just fine, but SWG is not being ported to the console, making this thread OFF-TOPIC TROLLBAIT. Can't a MMORPG website be excused from retarded console wars?

LOL

talk about troll bate....

Tuvarin · May 2006

Well, I'm hoping that the PS3 will fail, because if it does, that means Sony will take huge losses in their gaming division and Blue Ray. Regardless, MS dealt a lethal blow to the PS3 at E3. MS announced that GTA (what ever the next number is in that series) will be released only on the XBox360 just before the PS3 goes on sale.

You know Sony took that like a kick in the nuts.

Tuv

BelisariusDL · May 2006

Originally posted by britoca
the PS3 will obviously fail because I will not buy it.

LOL! I was thinking the same thing....There is no way in hell that I am going to buy the Ps3 when I could get the xBox360 and the Wii for almost the same price.....two systems for the price of one....you do the math...and to add to this...I could give a rats ass about the HD-DvD system thats built into the Ps3....If I ever choose to buy one...I will buy a stand alone system....Thanks but no thanks SOE....Oh yeah...They punked me on SWG...thats my last reason...Screw me??!!! Screw YOu SOE!!!!

Tuvarin · May 2006

I agree about the HD-DVD (Blue Ray). Microsoft made a quick annoucement on their E3 website that they would have an external HD-DVD drive available for $199.00. The announcement has been taken down I believe, but I think its a smart move. No game requires the storeage available on HD-DVD, much less Blue Ray, so why make the consumer pay for a feature they won't use 90% of the time.

Tuv

Spathotan · May 2006

This is not the post you are looking for.

Spathotan · May 2006

Originally posted by Tuvarin

I agree about the HD-DVD (Blue Ray). Microsoft made a quick annoucement on their E3 website that they would have an external HD-DVD drive available for $199.00. The announcement has been taken down I believe, but I think its a smart move. No game requires the storeage available on HD-DVD, much less Blue Ray, so why make the consumer pay for a feature they won't use 90% of the time.
Tuv

Thats exactly what I was trying to say in my OP, but a select few didnt get it.

mindspat · May 2006

Originally posted by Bogdawson

first the cost $500 unit and a $600 unit. Swg being ported, bad omen lol. and halo 3 that baby is going to kill sony, that game so so sweet i can't wait, ready to buy a 360 for but will wait until halo is out to see if a price drop is coming
go halo go halo it's your birthday

Oh no, they're letting kids post from elementary school again.

$600 for the next generation gaming console that doubles as a state of the art BlueRay-DVD player is VERY much worth the price tag!

Microsoft couldn't sell the 360 with the new DVD. You will have to buy theirs as a periperial device. You know how well periphrials suceed in the console business? They don't!

Basing the success on a product (360) that's intended to compete with another superior product which does not require the purchase of a periphial device is a recipe for disaster. The only good thing MS had going for it was relasing their poor design machine ahead of Sony. It allowed them to capture some sales from the "fans".

Halo 3? You think a single title sells a console!? If MS shares your narrow minded view it will be the primary reason they fail with their console. I personally would not buy a 360 do to it's limited use and capabilites.

I will wait 2 years or until the ps3's price tag is lowered below $300 usd. I have not needed to purchase a DVD player since I own a PS2. Once I own a PS3 I will also not need a next generation DVD player. Even then, these formats do not show their resolution on anything smaller then a 36" television set.

Spathotan · May 2006

Originally posted by mindspat

Originally posted by Bogdawson

first the cost $500 unit and a $600 unit. Swg being ported, bad omen lol. and halo 3 that baby is going to kill sony, that game so so sweet i can't wait, ready to buy a 360 for but will wait until halo is out to see if a price drop is coming
go halo go halo it's your birthday

Oh no, they're letting kids post from elementary school again.

$600 for the next generation gaming console that doubles as a state of the art BlueRay-DVD player is VERY much worth the price tag!

Microsoft couldn't sell the 360 with the new DVD. You will have to buy theirs as a periperial device. You know how well periphrials suceed in the console business? They don't!

Basing the success on a product (360) that's intended to compete with another superior product which does not require the purchase of a periphial device is a recipe for disaster. The only good thing MS had going for it was relasing their poor design machine ahead of Sony. It allowed them to capture some sales from the "fans".

Halo 3? You think a single title sells a console!? If MS shares your narrow minded view it will be the primary reason they fail with their console. I personally would not buy a 360 do to it's limited use and capabilites.

I will wait 2 years or until the ps3's price tag is lowered below $300 usd. I have not needed to purchase a DVD player since I own a PS2. Once I own a PS3 I will also not need a next generation DVD player. Even then, these formats do not show their resolution on anything smaller then a 36" television set.

Very true, Sega's 32X, Sega CD, just 2 examples of this.

As much as I hate this concept, it unfortunately worked with the origional XBOX, with Halo. It was a launch title, and was the only "decent" game it had for about 2 years, until the next Halo came out

. It had a few good games like KotOR, but those good games were and are few and far between.

BelisariusDL · May 2006

$600 for the next generation gaming console that doubles as a state of the art BlueRay-DVD player is VERY much worth the price tag!

I dont want a state of the art DVD player....I want a next generation gaming console.

Microsoft couldn't sell the 360 with the new DVD. You will have to buy theirs as a periperial device. You know how well periphrials suceed in the console business? They don't!
Not my problem...if I ever want a fancy-dancy Blue thinga ma-jiggy DvD player..ill buy one.

Basing the success on a product (360) that's intended to compete with another superior product which does not require the purchase of a periphial device is a recipe for disaster. The only good thing MS had going for it was relasing their poor design machine ahead of Sony. It allowed them to capture some sales from the "fans".
Im not going to spend the extra money for the PS3, when I could get the 360 and Wii....just not going to do it....I have many PS2 games and so I thought I would wait and see what the PS3 had to offer before I decided which product to go with....360 and Wii all the way.

Halo 3? You think a single title sells a console!? If MS shares your narrow minded view it will be the primary reason they fail with their console. I personally would not buy a 360 do to it's limited use and capabilites.

Im sure that a reasonable person would assume he did not mean that one title was going to sell the 360 to the masses.

I will wait 2 years or until the ps3's price tag is lowered below $300 usd. I have not needed to purchase a DVD player since I own a PS2. Once I own a PS3 I will also not need a next generation DVD player. Even then, these formats do not show their resolution on anything smaller then a 36" television set.

I dont want to wait.....ill get my game on now with the 360 and the Wii...have fun in 2 years chum.

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