I am no Bethesda defender but these seemingly daily "crap on Bethesda" articles are getting a little desperate.
A known data miner just happens to let the company know, out of the goodness of his heart, and they ban him? Hmmm..... What's wrong with providing the link to the exploit and letting Bethesda know and they can determine the validity. I am sorry but these white-knight stories when involving data mining or exploits make me wonder.
Just like someone saying "I bought gold from this gold seller and I want to report them for selling gold." You don't get banned from reporting them but from the buying of the gold.
Can't cancel his sub? Um, one phone call and done.
And a refund? That's another story but the company just banned you. Good luck with that.
Uh no data mining like was done here is no where anything like admitting to buying gold from a gold seller, that's just a stupid analogy.
They told the company about an exploit so the company could fix it, just like anyone does in alpha or betas, it's far from ban worthy.
Any crap bethesda gets is on them for being douchey, they have made some great games but it's a fact most of their games are great only because of mods to fix the shoddy problems they suffer from and with failout 76 welp they made their bed so they can lie in it now cause you know you reap what you sow.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
You should never try to actually reproduce an exploit you find anywhere or anyone tells you off unless you are asked by the responsible company to do so. You may report it to the company if you want to. But don't use/verify it. How should the company know that you are just trying to help and you are not a hacker yourself ?
And as for any story like this, we the public, usually never gets the whole story to know.
LOL.....what f'in hacker reports themselves!? Responsible data miners, the ones with some ethics, and scruples, are the same OG BETA testers, that aren't tourists. They actually beta test, and give the feedback as should be during beta's.....and any gaming company that wouldn't recognize the help, as well, would then punish such folks, heh. On the surface, it appears like more f'd up customer service and bad decisions......NOW, if this was just an effort to 'cover' or 'balance' out nefarious activity, by these data miners, the bans are deserved and these folks are just hoping to take advantage of Bethesda's plethora of bad decisions, as of late!
Some of the bigger studios have been doing an amazing job of destroying their own brands.Blizzard is doing an amazing job and Bethesda and EA are very close behind.I can also add Rockstar as now a scummy operation.
Geesh even SE pissed me off a bit and Epic games another studio i once praised has been trying hard to also piss me off. I think there is a very big picture to see,gaming is becoming a sketchy business and peripheral businesses are also becoming very sketchy.
I once dreamed of the direction online gaming would lead us,man is it going in the wrong direction,real fast.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
You should never try to actually reproduce an exploit you find anywhere or anyone tells you off unless you are asked by the responsible company to do so. You may report it to the company if you want to. But don't use/verify it. How should the company know that you are just trying to help and you are not a hacker yourself ?
And as for any story like this, we the public, usually never gets the whole story to know.
LOL.....what f'in hacker reports themselves!? Responsible data miners, the ones with some ethics, and scruples, are the same OG BETA testers, that aren't tourists. They actually beta test, and give the feedback as should be during beta's.....and any gaming company that wouldn't recognize the help, as well, would then punish such folks......NOW, if this was just an effort to 'cover' or 'balance' out nefarious activity, by these data miners, the bans are deserved and these folks are just hoping to take advantage of Bethesda's plethora of bad decisions, as of late!
Well, that's my thought. At least passing thought. It "could" be an effort to cover or balance out other activities. Who knows? Well, except those involved.
That's why I don't really think trusting to the surface explanation is ever enough.
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And "chargebacks" go on your financial history...never erased nor forgiven. If you do a single chargeback you are put immediately into that "other" file for life fyi. It's called "bad money" for a reason.
You should never try to actually reproduce an exploit you find anywhere or anyone tells you off unless you are asked by the responsible company to do so. You may report it to the company if you want to. But don't use/verify it. How should the company know that you are just trying to help and you are not a hacker yourself ?
And as for any story like this, we the public, usually never gets the whole story to know.
Are you off your meds there buddy? You ok? why would someone make this stuff up ... the game's already rock bottom , it can't go any lower at this point.
Regardless what you think he's actually right. We don't know the full story and they admit to making sure they could reproduce the exploit meaning it was used on those accounts. It is a bad idea to do such and not just report the exploits.
You should never try to actually reproduce an exploit you find anywhere or anyone tells you off unless you are asked by the responsible company to do so. You may report it to the company if you want to. But don't use/verify it. How should the company know that you are just trying to help and you are not a hacker yourself ?
And as for any story like this, we the public, usually never gets the whole story to know.
They know because you report it. You make sure you can duplicate it to make sure it is a bug then you submit. They can undo what was done on your account and thank you. That is how beta testing always worked for me. . . wait. . not a beta. . still. If you wait 4 months to report it sure that is a problem.
Not typically how it works on a launched product. Unless you are a QA taster or someone that found the bug/exploit by accident your main job is to report it and describe what you did. Their job is to see if it is reproducible.
"with Bethesda refusing to cancel or refund his Fallout 1st subscription".
I don't know about the refund part, but refusing to cancel a customer's subscription is wrong and if Bethesda is planning to keep charging them after banning them that is flat out robbery.
one more reason to drop shiety greed big gameing companys for AAA indi game developers who do way bether games whit no pre orders and loot boxes and other greed shiet stuf stop being so newive aand heyped they jsut ride on one big titel thay done like 10 yers ego when they started now thos companys are not the same thay are selled to greed wallstret sharks and stuff and dev that wos working ther are gone
Not being able to cancel is odd. Well they should complain to some organization that oversees these gaming companies and then do a charge back or contact several of those popular youtubers like Jimqusition or Yongyea to do a piece. Nothing like a lot viewers making them rethink.
You should never try to actually reproduce an exploit you find anywhere or anyone tells you off unless you are asked by the responsible company to do so. You may report it to the company if you want to. But don't use/verify it. How should the company know that you are just trying to help and you are not a hacker yourself ?
And as for any story like this, we the public, usually never gets the whole story to know.
Some posters seem to be having a problem with this but you are quite right. We are only hearing his side of this and it is absurd to think that we understand enough to come to a judgment. But that's social media today, someone says something enough people want to be true and it is true.
Now this fellow may be in the right, but as you said don't test exploits yourself, no need to determine if they are real. Just send them to the games company, they will determine that for you.
"with Bethesda refusing to cancel or refund his Fallout 1st subscription".
I don't know about the refund part, but refusing to cancel a customer's subscription is wrong and if Bethesda is planning to keep charging them after banning them that is flat out robbery.
I guess his next move is a big charge back.
As it would be illegal to refuse to cancel the sub aren't you just a little bit suspicious it might not be true?
More likely he bought the one year sub and they are refusing to refund the remaining 11 months which would not be unreasonable nor outside standard industry practice.
This story has more than a few parts to it which are suspect.
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You should never try to actually reproduce an exploit you find anywhere or anyone tells you off unless you are asked by the responsible company to do so. You may report it to the company if you want to. But don't use/verify it. How should the company know that you are just trying to help and you are not a hacker yourself ?
And as for any story like this, we the public, usually never gets the whole story to know.
Are you off your meds there buddy? You ok? why would someone make this stuff up ... the game's already rock bottom , it can't go any lower at this point.
Regardless what you think he's actually right. We don't know the full story and they admit to making sure they could reproduce the exploit meaning it was used on those accounts. It is a bad idea to do such and not just report the exploits.
My guess is their actions ran afoul of these clauses in the TOS on things you must not do and weren't as benign as being claimed.
Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;
You'll note it says report exploits, not data mine to identify, test or replicate them.
Data mining likely runs afoul of this clause as well.
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your access to or receipt, play or use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to access, receive, play or use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax."
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In this business, don't bother playing nice guy. Just like politics, 99 genders, etc: ALL FAKE.
It's all an illusion. Earth to gamers: this stuff is illusional distractions, not a little fe style. Want real fun? Bring these people down. Hack nation.
In this business, don't bother playing nice guy. Just like politics, 99 genders, etc: ALL FAKE.
It's all an illusion. Earth to gamers: this stuff is illusional distractions, not a little fe style. Want real fun? Bring these people down. Hack nation.
Err, I'm not even sure you are real, perhaps none of this is.
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In this business, don't bother playing nice guy. Just like politics, 99 genders, etc: ALL FAKE.
It's all an illusion. Earth to gamers: this stuff is illusional distractions, not a little fe style. Want real fun? Bring these people down. Hack nation.
I'll just say one thing.
The only thing weirder than young people being weird about gender is watching an old man complain about it like it's a world ending event.
To the people who got banned im sorry your money was wasted, but I implore you to see the light of the situation they spared you from playing their crap game and made it likely that you wont trust them on future crap games they did you a solid in the long run, welcome to the resistance.
Ultimately, unofficial bugtesters like the banned player would not be necessary if Bethesda would spend the money to properly QA their products... you know... like literally every other major AAA company in the industry.
Say what you will about Activision, EA, and Ubisoft. At least their mediocre products usually work. Bethesda can't even claim that much.
Bethesda is the Koei Tecmo of the west. Thrifty, stingy, and prone to recycling the same engine, games, and assets at a premium, and with no major advancements as a company.
"with Bethesda refusing to cancel or refund his Fallout 1st subscription".
I don't know about the refund part, but refusing to cancel a customer's subscription is wrong and if Bethesda is planning to keep charging them after banning them that is flat out robbery.
I guess his next move is a big charge back.
As it would be illegal to refuse to cancel the sub aren't you just a little bit suspicious it might not be true?
More likely he bought the one year sub and they are refusing to refund the remaining 11 months which would not be unreasonable nor outside standard industry practice.
This story has more than a few parts to it which are suspect.
Not weird at all but also probably not sinister. All it would take for him to not be able to cancel is have his account log-in affected by the ban. Can't log in, can't cancel. It's literally the first thing I thought of when I read that part.
Reinbursement is a different matter and he's only talking about 1 month from what I saw on reddit.
Anyway here's a link to to the Map76 page with all the updates (they did give him a refund according to latest update.)
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Hard to believe that anyone data mines for exploits just to report it.
The BS meter is over 10,000.
Dude got caught exploiting the game, got banned, cried about it.
Mystery solved!
After reading what he has put up on his site now, I don't trust either of them, let them duke it out. The lowest hanging fruit would be to cheat or do something bad in a game by a company that has the worst reputation at the moment, cause people will flock to your side, even if you are wrong and all I see is taking someone blindly at their word.
Also, I can't believe people are still spending money on FO76.
"with Bethesda refusing to cancel or refund his Fallout 1st subscription".
I don't know about the refund part, but refusing to cancel a customer's subscription is wrong and if Bethesda is planning to keep charging them after banning them that is flat out robbery.
I guess his next move is a big charge back.
As it would be illegal to refuse to cancel the sub aren't you just a little bit suspicious it might not be true?
More likely he bought the one year sub and they are refusing to refund the remaining 11 months which would not be unreasonable nor outside standard industry practice.
This story has more than a few parts to it which are suspect.
Not weird at all but also probably not sinister. All it would take for him to not be able to cancel is have his account log-in affected by the ban. Can't log in, can't cancel. It's literally the first thing I thought of when I read that part.
Reinbursement is a different matter and he's only talking about 1 month from what I saw on reddit.
Anyway here's a link to to the Map76 page with all the updates (they did give him a refund according to latest update.)
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
LOL.....what f'in hacker reports themselves!? Responsible data miners, the ones with some ethics, and scruples, are the same OG BETA testers, that aren't tourists. They actually beta test, and give the feedback as should be during beta's.....and any gaming company that wouldn't recognize the help, as well, would then punish such folks, heh. On the surface, it appears like more f'd up customer service and bad decisions......NOW, if this was just an effort to 'cover' or 'balance' out nefarious activity, by these data miners, the bans are deserved and these folks are just hoping to take advantage of Bethesda's plethora of bad decisions, as of late!
Geesh even SE pissed me off a bit and Epic games another studio i once praised has been trying hard to also piss me off.
I think there is a very big picture to see,gaming is becoming a sketchy business and peripheral businesses are also becoming very sketchy.
I once dreamed of the direction online gaming would lead us,man is it going in the wrong direction,real fast.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
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Regardless what you think he's actually right. We don't know the full story and they admit to making sure they could reproduce the exploit meaning it was used on those accounts. It is a bad idea to do such and not just report the exploits.
Not typically how it works on a launched product. Unless you are a QA taster or someone that found the bug/exploit by accident your main job is to report it and describe what you did. Their job is to see if it is reproducible.
Now this fellow may be in the right, but as you said don't test exploits yourself, no need to determine if they are real. Just send them to the games company, they will determine that for you.
More likely he bought the one year sub and they are refusing to refund the remaining 11 months which would not be unreasonable nor outside standard industry practice.
This story has more than a few parts to it which are suspect.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
- Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;
You'll note it says report exploits, not data mine to identify, test or replicate them.Data mining likely runs afoul of this clause as well.
"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your access to or receipt, play or use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to access, receive, play or use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax."
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
It's all an illusion. Earth to gamers: this stuff is illusional distractions, not a little fe style. Want real fun? Bring these people down. Hack nation.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
The only thing weirder than young people being weird about gender is watching an old man complain about it like it's a world ending event.
Never forget.
Say what you will about Activision, EA, and Ubisoft. At least their mediocre products usually work. Bethesda can't even claim that much.
Bethesda is the Koei Tecmo of the west. Thrifty, stingy, and prone to recycling the same engine, games, and assets at a premium, and with no major advancements as a company.
Reinbursement is a different matter and he's only talking about 1 month from what I saw on reddit.
Anyway here's a link to to the Map76 page with all the updates (they did give him a refund according to latest update.)
https://map76.com/
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Hard to believe that anyone data mines for exploits just to report it.
The BS meter is over 10,000.
Dude got caught exploiting the game, got banned, cried about it.
Mystery solved!
Also, I can't believe people are still spending money on FO76.
What a swell bunch of folks, yes?
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon