Good article Shank. We need more of that around here... how do you feel about loot boxes?
I can't believe some are calling out the "is a joke" part. It's a perfectly valid colloquial expression of contempt. But then again one of my favorite writers of all time was Hunter S. Thompson... but I digress.
Methinks you hit a nerve and if knocking you for using "is a joke" is all they've got, they've got nothing.
oh please. It's perfectly ok to expect a more professional tone to any professional article, even if it's an editorial.
And I hate Hunter S. Thompson.
But I guess it's all personal taste now isn't it?
As far as the article, I'm more in agreement with Blue Turtle. It's a start. Personally I don't think the technology is there to make a good showing. Just like virtual reality sets. But they are better than before and I imagine with streaming games, someone will try to improve upon it. I'm just not clear that it's going to be sooner rather than later as I imagine we need overall better internet in more places.
Since, at least in the US, there are places with abysmal internet, it will be a service more for early adopters.
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The USA will not be ready for cloud gaming until we are not 27th in the world on Internet speeds and dumbass companies like Comcast charging for shitty ass data caps.
The USA will not be ready for cloud gaming until we are not 27th in the world on Internet speeds and dumbass companies like Comcast charging for shitty ass data caps.
while we don't have data caps in this area (as far as I know, I've never heard of data caps here in the Boston area) I think that's part of the issue.
If speed can be raised then great. But if people can only stream a game for a limited amount of time because of data caps, then I can only guess that this is for casual players.
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The USA will not be ready for cloud gaming until we are not 27th in the world on Internet speeds and dumbass companies like Comcast charging for shitty ass data caps.
that IF you only take US as target, but nowadays if its not world the target you are doing something wrong
But the fact internet connections are still the usual potato will continue being a blocker to such services.
If it wasn't for that, cloud gaming services would render the need for OP hardware for gaming useless, and likely bankrupt many hardware companies on that process.
Good article Shank. We need more of that around here... how do you feel about loot boxes?
I can't believe some are calling out the "is a joke" part. It's a perfectly valid colloquial expression of contempt. But then again one of my favorite writers of all time was Hunter S. Thompson... but I digress.
Methinks you hit a nerve and if knocking you for using "is a joke" is all they've got, they've got nothing.
oh please. It's perfectly ok to expect a more professional tone to any professional article, even if it's an editorial.
And I hate Hunter S. Thompson.
But I guess it's all personal taste now isn't it?
As far as the article, I'm more in agreement with Blue Turtle. It's a start. Personally I don't think the technology is there to make a good showing. Just like virtual reality sets. But they are better than before and I imagine with streaming games, someone will try to improve upon it. I'm just not clear that it's going to be sooner rather than later as I imagine we need overall better internet in more places.
Since, at least in the US, there are places with abysmal internet, it will be a service more for early adopters.
There isn't one and only one style for professional writing you know. Some are dry and boring as shit - typically those from the not so self confident journos - where you can almost hear the ghost of Jack Webb whispering "just the facts, ma'am."
Hunter S. Thompson just took style all the way over to the extreme, injecting himself and trivial things around him into his writing. But somewhere in the middle there is folksy, colloquial professional writing. It's neither more nor less professional, just a stylistic choice.
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Good article Shank. We need more of that around here... how do you feel about loot boxes?
I can't believe some are calling out the "is a joke" part. It's a perfectly valid colloquial expression of contempt. But then again one of my favorite writers of all time was Hunter S. Thompson... but I digress.
Methinks you hit a nerve and if knocking you for using "is a joke" is all they've got, they've got nothing.
oh please. It's perfectly ok to expect a more professional tone to any professional article, even if it's an editorial.
And I hate Hunter S. Thompson.
But I guess it's all personal taste now isn't it?
As far as the article, I'm more in agreement with Blue Turtle. It's a start. Personally I don't think the technology is there to make a good showing. Just like virtual reality sets. But they are better than before and I imagine with streaming games, someone will try to improve upon it. I'm just not clear that it's going to be sooner rather than later as I imagine we need overall better internet in more places.
Since, at least in the US, there are places with abysmal internet, it will be a service more for early adopters.
There isn't one and only one style for professional writing you know. Some are dry and boring as shit - typically those from the not so self confident journos - where you can almost hear the ghost of Jack Webb whispering "just the facts, ma'am."
Hunter S. Thompson just took style all the way over to the extreme, injecting himself and trivial things around him into his writing. But somewhere in the middle there is folksy, colloquial professional writing. It's neither more nor less professional, just a stylistic choice.
Like I said, it's a bit of personal taste. I just don't expect to come to a website and see an article that seems like it's the start of some forum post. Even if it is an editorial. But then again, an editorial is opinion. An opinion doesn't have to be done with laid back "coloquial" writing. At least the editorials I used to remember seeing.
I should also point out, that while I don't like Hunter S. Thompson (at all), I think he's an excellent writer.
But that gets back to something I've said before about critics. I think critics should be looking at the intent of a creation and whether it fulfills that intent given the parameters of whatever specific genre that creation resides in over whether they like it or not.
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Well the idea is no joke,one day it will happen in a very positive way,just not yet.
The problem is first of all,any business doing this really well will have an early monopoly,similar to Steam and that has not done ANYTHING for the consumer.We ALWAYS need competition but it is not like 5-10 cloud businesses are going to pop up all with 99% of the games and at reasonable pricing,
ALL businesses revolving around gaming are in it for the money/profits first and everything else takes a back seat.Aim for a business model that nobody else is doing so there is little to no competition,makes your idea look better than it really is.
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I too believe it's a joke. Though possibly for different reasons.
1) The way the internet works is not suitable for interactive streaming. A local device needs to process input, then send that digital data 1000s of miles, where it gets unpacked, processed, then sent back another 1000 miles. Even with data moving at the speed of light, it is unavoidable that you will experience lag in comparison to a local device. You are almost guaranteed to have a worse experience compared to playing locally.
2) The business model is fucked. The reason why Netflix and Spotify are so popular is that for a single monthly price, I can access EVERYTHING whenever I want. It is vastly more convenient than purchasing DVDs or CDs, so much more so that I am willing to give up ownership of the media in favour of streaming. Stadia doesn't have any of that convenience, plus it's more expensive.
Now, if Stadia had a library of 300+ games and a fixed fee of up to £20 per month, then it would become more convenient and cost effective for me, maybe reaching the point where I'd be willing to give up ownership of the games and deal with the lag.
To be fair, this all just reminds me of VR headset hype. "It's going to change the world" and "it'll revolutionise the games industry" were common boasts back then, just as Stadia seems to be getting hyped now. VR was just a gimmick, anyone who looked at the tech knew it would have minimal effect on games because it's incomplete tech and doesn't affect gameplay. Stadia is the same, maybe a proof of concept but mostly just a gimmick - mostly worse than what we have now, just with one gimmick (streaming) that it's trying to sell us on.
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The technology is going to continue to advance until it becomes what it is intended to be. This is the groundwork for a streaming future that Google themselves will not probably be a part of. What matters is to get the attention focused on it so when the tech is ready enough for mainstream consumption the general public will be more likely to embrace it. This was never for core gamers. Also the quality of the experience varies greatly. For now.
This is for a casual mainstream market and the biggest segment of user will be using phones.
To call it a 'joke' is not looking at the bigger picture and is a bit short sided and myopic. This is a long game tech. It is what we thought it would be at launch. A year from now? 5? Google will maybe abandon it by then but others will carry it on and progress in the right direction. This is the future for mainstream gaming. (Mainstream gaming is the bulk of the revenue in the industry) Within 10 years is my guess. What is being done now, not just by Google, is the foundation for the future of content distribution.
While I agree with you, it seems to me that google is passing the technology off as ready right now, when I think most of us know it isn't. The casual gamer may believe the hype, but google hasn't being upfront and honest about the tech as it stands right now. While I have zero interest in cloud gaming, Microsoft seems to be going the right way with it.
By the time cloud gaming goes mainstream, I will either be 6ft under or in no condition to play games. At my age and health it's a good day to just wake up.
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The irony of claiming what someone else wrote is meant to provoke and upset, and then not accept when that person explains provocation was never the intent, only to have someone else make assumptions of what you wrote and then have to explain it isn’t what you implied.
Probably the best article I've seen written on cloud gaming. Your "opinions" are, I believe, spot on.
The article is fine but using the term "is a joke" sounds like some gamer kid. Doesn't sound like a professional at all.
The article is fine on just few points.
I myself find it written by some random internet kid, who's trying to tell us how bad Stadia is. Like I see people every day on WoW Classic forums, going like "Classic is a joke - Because I get ganged" , "Classic will fail - Because I say so".
Whoever was expecting bugs free and a 100% working product from Stadia on the launch day, are the same people going "nuts" about bugs in a MMO launch day game.
Reminds me very, very much when games started to sell digitally in the early 2000's - "This is absurd. I will never buy digital games!!! I want to hold the physical cd copy of any games I play. Plus you will wait days to download a game. Lololol".
So your argument is that the article is invalid because someone else said something dumb in a totally unrelated context?
As the "News Editor" I assume that your responsibilities include determining what "news" is published and the context it is given. Just do not be a mouthpiece for companies that fit the criteria you listed above. Posting an editorial after a game has launched 5 years late, with half it's features missing is not very helpful. Share that skepticism along the journey, from initial pitch with crazy timeline, to the size of the budget, to crazy list of features, etc...
Maybe you are/will be doing this. If so then I applaud you! But again, if you are NOT doing that and just acting as a PR arm for these same companies and then you later have an editorial and call them a joke... Not very helpful.
I just ask that you keep that in mind as you frame the news.
The article is clearly labeled as opinion. Plenty of supposedly respectable news sources (and I don't just mean gaming-related) wouldn't even do that much.
Since you seem unable to let it go Elsa, allow me to explain.
I don't like beets. That is an incontestable fact. Now suppose I wrote an an article in Vegetable Monthly about beets. I could title it:
Years After Trying Them as a Child, Beets Still Unappealing
Or I could write:
Beets Suck and Beet Farmers Are Assholes
In both cases I still, truthfully, don't like beets. In both cases I am sincere. But the first title informs and leads in, whereas the second title is meant to agitate beet lovers and stir controversy (thereby getting clicks on my article).
You seem not to understand the difference, and, after reading some of your work, this does not surprise me.
So agan, please, have the last word, and then try not to obsess.
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But the first title informs and leads in, whereas the second title is meant to agitate beet lovers and stir controversy (thereby getting clicks on my article).
Meant to agitate...in your opinion. You interpret it as such, despite what the author of the article explained his intention. It seems like you wish to make assumptions despite what the author - the only one who truly can speak to intent of the article - explains.
Probably the best article I've seen written on cloud gaming. Your "opinions" are, I believe, spot on.
The article is fine but using the term "is a joke" sounds like some gamer kid. Doesn't sound like a professional at all.
It’s the perfect word to describe a product and service which were unprofessionally marketed, unprofessionally launched, and whose customers were unprofessionally treated with ambiguous and contradicting statements
That doesn't mean you have to be unprofessional ..
Probably the best article I've seen written on cloud gaming. Your "opinions" are, I believe, spot on.
The article is fine but using the term "is a joke" sounds like some gamer kid. Doesn't sound like a professional at all.
It’s the perfect word to describe a product and service which were unprofessionally marketed, unprofessionally launched, and whose customers were unprofessionally treated with ambiguous and contradicting statements
That doesn't mean you have to be unprofessional ..
What a day when the word "joke" is deemed unprofessional. The horror!
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They lost me at "gender neutral controller". WTF is a gender neutral, inanimate object?
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/11/21/google-stadia-gamers-react-to-gender-neutral-controller/
And I hate Hunter S. Thompson.
But I guess it's all personal taste now isn't it?
As far as the article, I'm more in agreement with Blue Turtle. It's a start. Personally I don't think the technology is there to make a good showing. Just like virtual reality sets. But they are better than before and I imagine with streaming games, someone will try to improve upon it. I'm just not clear that it's going to be sooner rather than later as I imagine we need overall better internet in more places.
Since, at least in the US, there are places with abysmal internet, it will be a service more for early adopters.
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If speed can be raised then great. But if people can only stream a game for a limited amount of time because of data caps, then I can only guess that this is for casual players.
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King is naked and has been for at least 3 decades.
Just enjoy the ride to the asylum.
But the fact internet connections are still the usual potato will continue being a blocker to such services.
If it wasn't for that, cloud gaming services would render the need for OP hardware for gaming useless, and likely bankrupt many hardware companies on that process.
Hunter S. Thompson just took style all the way over to the extreme, injecting himself and trivial things around him into his writing. But somewhere in the middle there is folksy, colloquial professional writing. It's neither more nor less professional, just a stylistic choice.
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― CD PROJEKT RED
I should also point out, that while I don't like Hunter S. Thompson (at all), I think he's an excellent writer.
But that gets back to something I've said before about critics. I think critics should be looking at the intent of a creation and whether it fulfills that intent given the parameters of whatever specific genre that creation resides in over whether they like it or not.
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Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
The problem is first of all,any business doing this really well will have an early monopoly,similar to Steam and that has not done ANYTHING for the consumer.We ALWAYS need competition but it is not like 5-10 cloud businesses are going to pop up all with 99% of the games and at reasonable pricing,
ALL businesses revolving around gaming are in it for the money/profits first and everything else takes a back seat.Aim for a business model that nobody else is doing so there is little to no competition,makes your idea look better than it really is.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
That will sure as hell motivate other game devs jumping on board Stadia and offer their games on the platform!
Good job Google! Self destruction at it's finest!
I agree with others. I will be deeply suprised, if this will survive another 12 months.
While I agree with you, it seems to me that google is passing the technology off as ready right now, when I think most of us know it isn't. The casual gamer may believe the hype, but google hasn't being upfront and honest about the tech as it stands right now. While I have zero interest in cloud gaming, Microsoft seems to be going the right way with it.
By the time cloud gaming goes mainstream, I will either be 6ft under or in no condition to play games. At my age and health it's a good day to just wake up.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
So your argument is that the article is invalid because someone else said something dumb in a totally unrelated context?
I don't like beets. That is an incontestable fact. Now suppose I wrote an an article in Vegetable Monthly about beets. I could title it:
Years After Trying Them as a Child, Beets Still Unappealing
Or I could write:
Beets Suck and Beet Farmers Are Assholes
In both cases I still, truthfully, don't like beets. In both cases I am sincere. But the first title informs and leads in, whereas the second title is meant to agitate beet lovers and stir controversy (thereby getting clicks on my article).
You seem not to understand the difference, and, after reading some of your work, this does not surprise me.
So agan, please, have the last word, and then try not to obsess.
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