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The latest devblog. Forced PvP is gone.
My hype for this game is gone. I was looking for a new Ultima Online (pre-trammel) or Darkfall Online, but they killed the PvP and turned it into something consensual and instanced.
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Yeah, no. Refunded.
What a shame. I actually though that for the first time in a decade, someone was going to make a proper open world PvP MMO. Sure, alpha had issues, it was early days... But of all the excellent feedback they received, they opted to go with the nuclear option.
Even if guilds can band together and do well it will only work in games that don't require large investments. You need to make gear easily obtainable for people to accept losing and coming back to fight. That is why MOBAs are successful and command such high populations.
If they can accept remaining niche then they would have done it but they want to make more money. Consensual is the best way to go, or instances or separate battlegrounds like DAoC or separate servers for PvE and PvP. Big companies aren't going to waste money on making games that will end up niche and empty. They have done their research and know the casualties and damages of such a decision and they are not willing to invest in making a system that properly punishes players that abuse the mechanics and drive players away. There is no possibility nor the luxury of miscalculation and failure when you spend a lot and cannot afford the loss. It's simply too risky.
Even still,you NEED or must have a solid product in place first,the flags come after.I do not see a solid product ....yet,they still have time to deliver so ,let's see.
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If New World is expected to become a AAA mmo, then obviously the company has to have safe pve, otherwise it will not make the big bucks. Amazon is unlikely get into this market with a game that can't make big bucks.
It's a bad idea to try and make a PvP game attractive to PvE players, or make a PvE game Attractive to PvP players.
Find your niche, and build the fuck out of your game just for those people, everyone else be damned.
You won't make the next WoW, but you wever never going to make that anyway, so focus on just making a great game for your niche, and you might become the next Legendary Game.
It's like these devs are babes in the wood with no actual gaming experience at all, which I find very hard to believe.
I think like many dev teams before them, they thought they could include FFA PVP and somehow control the worst of the gankers only to later realize this was almost impossible as most other teams before them also had to admit in the end.
Let's face it, there's just this bottom dwelling portion of humanity which enjoys preying on the weak and tormenting the helpless.
They hate it when others call them out for being the psychopaths they truly are.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Honestly, it sounds like they have completely lost sight of what made this game unique in the first place. This game now is neither a proper PvP sandbox nor a PvE game that raiders can be interested in, since they suggested they'll only have world bosses at launch.
So instead of doing freeform PvP and organized PvE they are doing exactly the opposites, except not many players are going to be interested in that. I know I won't be.
Very, very disappointing.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
lets see how long these 20 anti-pvp’r keep
it alive
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
PvP players do not want to grief. Sure, a subset of players will want to give people a bad day, same is true for PvE players and subsets of that audience. A minority shouldn't be used to paint an entire demographic, that is a very unfair thing to do.
Most PvP players want a living, breathing, exciting world of risk versus reward, where conflict - if it happens - is personal, memorable. Most are not actually going to kill everyone on sight, in fact, it didn't happen like this at all during alpha.
Alpha testers provided a LOT of excellent feedback and ideas about how to make the game more appealing to casual people and to remove the 'gankbox' component. Hell, without going into details and break that NDA (which they are keeping in place in order to hide the game-that-was), I can say they were on the right track towards the end of alpha.
Then the company director with the vision for New World left, a new one stepped in and shut down alpha... And in the span of 6 months, instead of using the TONS of detailed feedback... AGS used the nuclear option and actually broke what made New World what it was.
This is the source of the frustration - they baited in an excited PvP audience, happy that a big company was actually making the game no one else has the money to make - and then switched on the last minute, "nope, we doing something completely different now, bye".
Who can even say they won't flip the other way again after this backlash? They seem to not know what they want to make anymore... Frankly, the reactions around the web over this are largely made of emotion; the feeling Amazon back-stabbed its core audience.
For some this is betrayal and reason to not play&support, for others it is the opening that removes the "members only" sign from the entrance.
For me, I like it because it is one of those games that has very interesting world concepts, but I would never touch it if it was a pvp game.
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Personally I would play a full loot PvP game theoretically speaking if loss of gear is nothing and can be replaced easily. I don't mind getting killed if the consequences are very limited.
I well understand PVPer aren't to blame, but gankers definitely are a stain on MMORPG PVP in almost every game which tries to be more open.
"One of the problems we observed with this system was that some high level players were killing low level players, A LOT. Sometimes exclusively. This often led to solo or group griefing scenarios that created a toxic environment for many players. To be clear, this behavior was not shown by all PvP players, but enough to cause significant issues"
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
When alpha proved him wrong Amazon wisely kicked him to the curb.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Perhaps not long if the game is bad over all, but if that's true allowing ganking wouldn't save it. At least now it has a chance.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
So you refunded nothing?
Unless you recently bought it, but that would be silly knowing theres a free beta coming up where you could make a decision before purchasing, which surely you wouldn't do, right?
Or did your inner ganker get the best of you?
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon