Camelot Unchained's Mark Jacobs, 'I accept full responsibility and apologize' - MMORPG.com

System · February 2020

Camelot Unchained's Mark Jacobs, 'I accept full responsibility and apologize' - MMORPG.com

Camelot Unchained Mark Jacobs announced a new game last week, dubbed Final Stand: Ragnarok. And it didn't go down well with the community. But in a new letter to backers, he accepts, "full responsibility," and promises to explain more in a stream later today.

Read the full story here

Utinni · February 2020

Queue the "TOO LATE!!!!" and "NOT SINCERE ENOUGH!!!" crowd.

Vorthanion · February 2020

Probably another Battle Royale game like the Ashes of Creation: Apocalypse debacle. It took resources and manpower away from the MMORPG original game and this one will too. Betrayal of investors for immediate cash-ins using funds and manpower paid for another project and then expecting those same investors to not only accept the underhanded behavior, but to also play and pay for the new game as if it wasn't adding insult to injury.

GameMonger71 · February 2020

As a backer, I truly appreciate this letter. I was not angry with the Ragnarok issue, but can understand why some folks were upset. Overall though, Mr. Jacobs is showing he is listening and is not too proud to be more clear on elements of CU development. We can be cynical that the probable volume of refund requests solely drove this, but I think that it is more than that. You can see that Mr. Jacobs really cares about the DAOC legacy and this game. Just one person’s opinion of course.

Amathe · February 2020

I like that he didn't use weasel words in his apology, as sadly so many people do.

alkarionlog · February 2020

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

G3Nexis · February 2020

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

My brain just had an aneurysm attempting to read this...

Why do people that spend money on a kickstarter or any form of crowdfunding always expect to get their money back when things don't go as they think it should. Do you go to a casino, lose all your money gambling, and then cry for your money back because it did not go as you planned? No you don't...

Spending money on a kickstarter is essentially gambling your money on a product that may never come to light or may not end up as you had hoped. Deal with it, move on, and maybe learn not to spend money on a kickstarter unless you are prepared to completely forget about ever having that money in the first place.

Lark3m · February 2020

Ppiper said:

at this point, I'll be in retirement before this game see's the light of day.

At least you'll have plenty of time to play lol

Bladeburaiba · February 2020

G3Nexis said:

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

My brain just had an aneurysm attempting to read this...

Why do people that spend money on a kickstarter or any form of crowdfunding always expect to get their money back when things don't go as they think it should. Do you go to a casino, lose all your money gambling, and then cry for your money back because it did not go as you planned? No you don't...

Spending money on a kickstarter is essentially gambling your money on a product that may never come to light or may not end up as you had hoped. Deal with it, move on, and maybe learn not to spend money on a kickstarter unless you are prepared to completely forget about ever having that money in the first place.

Your brain exploded because your assumption is people do things rationally. Most people make decisions emotionally and then wrestle their brains into thinking it is right thing to do. Emotional people are easily manipulated.

I used to think it was 70/30, then 50/50. I now think most people bury their brains with their emotions 90% of the time in a non-forced situations, to their own detriment.

Krynt0k · February 2020

Am I the only one excited about the siege video??

BeansnBread · February 2020

G3Nexis said:

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

My brain just had an aneurysm attempting to read this...

Why do people that spend money on a kickstarter or any form of crowdfunding always expect to get their money back when things don't go as they think it should. Do you go to a casino, lose all your money gambling, and then cry for your money back because it did not go as you planned? No you don't...

Spending money on a kickstarter is essentially gambling your money on a product that may never come to light or may not end up as you had hoped. Deal with it, move on, and maybe learn not to spend money on a kickstarter unless you are prepared to completely forget about ever having that money in the first place.

Or, get your refund. Might as well not be stupid with your money twice.

Sovrath · February 2020

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

Except he will give the money back. Why would you say otherwise?

JarodTheDefiler · February 2020

What the Shit. Is this why the producer guy bailed?

maskedweasel · February 2020

BeansnBread said:

G3Nexis said:

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

My brain just had an aneurysm attempting to read this...

Why do people that spend money on a kickstarter or any form of crowdfunding always expect to get their money back when things don't go as they think it should. Do you go to a casino, lose all your money gambling, and then cry for your money back because it did not go as you planned? No you don't...

Spending money on a kickstarter is essentially gambling your money on a product that may never come to light or may not end up as you had hoped. Deal with it, move on, and maybe learn not to spend money on a kickstarter unless you are prepared to completely forget about ever having that money in the first place.

Or, get your refund. Might as well not be stupid with your money twice.

Everyone is just lucky he's opted to allow for refunds, Kickstarters don't HAVE to give refunds. If projects fail, they don't have to give the money back, though some of them do.

I feel like Mark is in a no win situation here. He did something that made the community mad. He might not have understood it at the time, but he understands it now. He realizes the knee jerk reaction he made to the backlash didn't go over well, and now he's trying to make things right as best he can.

But obviously we're going to have people with no skin in the game attacking whatever he does, and cynics that may have invested that won't be appeased by an apology, so I'm not sure what Mark can do.

I think it wasn't handled well, but I feel for the guy.

BeansnBread · February 2020

maskedweasel said:

BeansnBread said:

G3Nexis said:

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

My brain just had an aneurysm attempting to read this...

Why do people that spend money on a kickstarter or any form of crowdfunding always expect to get their money back when things don't go as they think it should. Do you go to a casino, lose all your money gambling, and then cry for your money back because it did not go as you planned? No you don't...

Spending money on a kickstarter is essentially gambling your money on a product that may never come to light or may not end up as you had hoped. Deal with it, move on, and maybe learn not to spend money on a kickstarter unless you are prepared to completely forget about ever having that money in the first place.

Or, get your refund. Might as well not be stupid with your money twice.

Everyone is just lucky he's opted to allow for refunds, Kickstarters don't HAVE to give refunds. If projects fail, they don't have to give the money back, though some of them do.

I feel like Mark is in a no win situation here. He did something that made the community mad. He might not have understood it at the time, but he understands it now. He realizes the knee jerk reaction he made to the backlash didn't go over well, and now he's trying to make things right as best he can.

But obviously we're going to have people with no skin in the game attacking whatever he does, and cynics that may have invested that won't be appeased by an apology, so I'm not sure what Mark can do.

I think it wasn't handled well, but I feel for the guy.

He's in a no win situation because he has failed to deliver a product in a timely manner. There have been misrepresentations (some knowable lies) for the last 7-8 years. Apologies don't actually mean anything. It's damage control. It's one more manipulation meant to calm the nerves of a group of people that should be upset about the news.

In fact, while he was "not handling it well," I believe that was the real him speaking plainly and being himself. A lot of people on these boards were saying they respected him for that. Now he comes up with a well thought out, written "honest" apology. But what is the apology even for? Not talking about CU enough? Is it for acting badly on forums? I don't care about either of those things.

He developed an entire different game with the funds that the backers paid him that is coming out before the game that was promised years ago (an now may never come out). He should be apologizing for that. Where is that apology?

druez · February 2020

Umm, he pretty much came out and said that the funds he received were from outside funding sources and not backer money. I mean lets be honest the 2 million of backer money was gone YEARS ago. All the funding over the past years has been from outside investment.

BeansnBread · February 2020

druez said:

Umm, he pretty much came out and said that the funds he received were from outside funding sources and not backer money. I mean lets be honest the 2 million of backer money was gone YEARS ago. All the funding over the past years has been from outside investment.

Jesus, that's even worse. He blew all the backer money on the engine, never finished the game, and then used investor money to make a different game. Scummy.

cloudacv · February 2020

BeansnBread said:

maskedweasel said:

BeansnBread said:

G3Nexis said:

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

My brain just had an aneurysm attempting to read this...

Why do people that spend money on a kickstarter or any form of crowdfunding always expect to get their money back when things don't go as they think it should. Do you go to a casino, lose all your money gambling, and then cry for your money back because it did not go as you planned? No you don't...

Spending money on a kickstarter is essentially gambling your money on a product that may never come to light or may not end up as you had hoped. Deal with it, move on, and maybe learn not to spend money on a kickstarter unless you are prepared to completely forget about ever having that money in the first place.

Or, get your refund. Might as well not be stupid with your money twice.

Everyone is just lucky he's opted to allow for refunds, Kickstarters don't HAVE to give refunds. If projects fail, they don't have to give the money back, though some of them do.

I feel like Mark is in a no win situation here. He did something that made the community mad. He might not have understood it at the time, but he understands it now. He realizes the knee jerk reaction he made to the backlash didn't go over well, and now he's trying to make things right as best he can.

But obviously we're going to have people with no skin in the game attacking whatever he does, and cynics that may have invested that won't be appeased by an apology, so I'm not sure what Mark can do.

I think it wasn't handled well, but I feel for the guy.

He's in a no win situation because he has failed to deliver a product in a timely manner. There have been misrepresentations (some knowable lies) for the last 7-8 years. Apologies don't actually mean anything. It's damage control. It's one more manipulation meant to calm the nerves of a group of people that should be upset about the news.

In fact, while he was "not handling it well," I believe that was the real him speaking plainly and being himself. A lot of people on these boards were saying they respected him for that. Now he comes up with a well thought out, written "honest" apology. But what is the apology even for? Not talking about CU enough? Is it for acting badly on forums? I don't care about either of those things.

He developed an entire different game with the funds that the backers paid him that is coming out before the game that was promised years ago (an now may never come out). He should be apologizing for that. Where is that apology?

He has said multiple times that he did not use any funds from cu to make the new game, and that all the funds from the new game have come directly out of his own pocket.

BeansnBread · February 2020

cloudacv said:

BeansnBread said:

maskedweasel said:

BeansnBread said:

G3Nexis said:

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

My brain just had an aneurysm attempting to read this...

Why do people that spend money on a kickstarter or any form of crowdfunding always expect to get their money back when things don't go as they think it should. Do you go to a casino, lose all your money gambling, and then cry for your money back because it did not go as you planned? No you don't...

Spending money on a kickstarter is essentially gambling your money on a product that may never come to light or may not end up as you had hoped. Deal with it, move on, and maybe learn not to spend money on a kickstarter unless you are prepared to completely forget about ever having that money in the first place.

Or, get your refund. Might as well not be stupid with your money twice.

Everyone is just lucky he's opted to allow for refunds, Kickstarters don't HAVE to give refunds. If projects fail, they don't have to give the money back, though some of them do.

I feel like Mark is in a no win situation here. He did something that made the community mad. He might not have understood it at the time, but he understands it now. He realizes the knee jerk reaction he made to the backlash didn't go over well, and now he's trying to make things right as best he can.

But obviously we're going to have people with no skin in the game attacking whatever he does, and cynics that may have invested that won't be appeased by an apology, so I'm not sure what Mark can do.

I think it wasn't handled well, but I feel for the guy.

He's in a no win situation because he has failed to deliver a product in a timely manner. There have been misrepresentations (some knowable lies) for the last 7-8 years. Apologies don't actually mean anything. It's damage control. It's one more manipulation meant to calm the nerves of a group of people that should be upset about the news.

In fact, while he was "not handling it well," I believe that was the real him speaking plainly and being himself. A lot of people on these boards were saying they respected him for that. Now he comes up with a well thought out, written "honest" apology. But what is the apology even for? Not talking about CU enough? Is it for acting badly on forums? I don't care about either of those things.

He developed an entire different game with the funds that the backers paid him that is coming out before the game that was promised years ago (an now may never come out). He should be apologizing for that. Where is that apology?

He has said multiple times that he did not use any funds from cu to make the new game, and that all the funds from the new game have come directly out of his own pocket.

Why would you believe him when he says anything? I really don't get this. He kept the second game secret from everyone. How much money was spent on the engine or the assets before he got outside funding? You think there was a completely separate, clean pool of money and assets/code was never mixed?

It's just so unbelievable that anyone would believe such obvious bullshit.

Utinni · February 2020

BeansnBread said:

cloudacv said:

BeansnBread said:

maskedweasel said:

BeansnBread said:

G3Nexis said:

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

My brain just had an aneurysm attempting to read this...

Why do people that spend money on a kickstarter or any form of crowdfunding always expect to get their money back when things don't go as they think it should. Do you go to a casino, lose all your money gambling, and then cry for your money back because it did not go as you planned? No you don't...

Spending money on a kickstarter is essentially gambling your money on a product that may never come to light or may not end up as you had hoped. Deal with it, move on, and maybe learn not to spend money on a kickstarter unless you are prepared to completely forget about ever having that money in the first place.

Or, get your refund. Might as well not be stupid with your money twice.

Everyone is just lucky he's opted to allow for refunds, Kickstarters don't HAVE to give refunds. If projects fail, they don't have to give the money back, though some of them do.

I feel like Mark is in a no win situation here. He did something that made the community mad. He might not have understood it at the time, but he understands it now. He realizes the knee jerk reaction he made to the backlash didn't go over well, and now he's trying to make things right as best he can.

But obviously we're going to have people with no skin in the game attacking whatever he does, and cynics that may have invested that won't be appeased by an apology, so I'm not sure what Mark can do.

I think it wasn't handled well, but I feel for the guy.

He's in a no win situation because he has failed to deliver a product in a timely manner. There have been misrepresentations (some knowable lies) for the last 7-8 years. Apologies don't actually mean anything. It's damage control. It's one more manipulation meant to calm the nerves of a group of people that should be upset about the news.

In fact, while he was "not handling it well," I believe that was the real him speaking plainly and being himself. A lot of people on these boards were saying they respected him for that. Now he comes up with a well thought out, written "honest" apology. But what is the apology even for? Not talking about CU enough? Is it for acting badly on forums? I don't care about either of those things.

He developed an entire different game with the funds that the backers paid him that is coming out before the game that was promised years ago (an now may never come out). He should be apologizing for that. Where is that apology?

He has said multiple times that he did not use any funds from cu to make the new game, and that all the funds from the new game have come directly out of his own pocket.

Why would you believe him when he says anything? I really don't get this. He kept the second game secret from everyone. How much money was spent on the engine or the assets before he got outside funding? You think there was a completely separate, clean pool of money and assets/code was never mixed?

It's just so unbelievable that anyone would believe such obvious bullshit.

I hope your day gets better man. Sometimes life gets tough. Try to get some fresh air, stretch a bit, and drink plenty of water.

BeansnBread · February 2020

Utinni said:

BeansnBread said:

cloudacv said:

BeansnBread said:

maskedweasel said:

BeansnBread said:

G3Nexis said:

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

My brain just had an aneurysm attempting to read this...

Why do people that spend money on a kickstarter or any form of crowdfunding always expect to get their money back when things don't go as they think it should. Do you go to a casino, lose all your money gambling, and then cry for your money back because it did not go as you planned? No you don't...

Spending money on a kickstarter is essentially gambling your money on a product that may never come to light or may not end up as you had hoped. Deal with it, move on, and maybe learn not to spend money on a kickstarter unless you are prepared to completely forget about ever having that money in the first place.

Or, get your refund. Might as well not be stupid with your money twice.

Everyone is just lucky he's opted to allow for refunds, Kickstarters don't HAVE to give refunds. If projects fail, they don't have to give the money back, though some of them do.

I feel like Mark is in a no win situation here. He did something that made the community mad. He might not have understood it at the time, but he understands it now. He realizes the knee jerk reaction he made to the backlash didn't go over well, and now he's trying to make things right as best he can.

But obviously we're going to have people with no skin in the game attacking whatever he does, and cynics that may have invested that won't be appeased by an apology, so I'm not sure what Mark can do.

I think it wasn't handled well, but I feel for the guy.

He's in a no win situation because he has failed to deliver a product in a timely manner. There have been misrepresentations (some knowable lies) for the last 7-8 years. Apologies don't actually mean anything. It's damage control. It's one more manipulation meant to calm the nerves of a group of people that should be upset about the news.

In fact, while he was "not handling it well," I believe that was the real him speaking plainly and being himself. A lot of people on these boards were saying they respected him for that. Now he comes up with a well thought out, written "honest" apology. But what is the apology even for? Not talking about CU enough? Is it for acting badly on forums? I don't care about either of those things.

He developed an entire different game with the funds that the backers paid him that is coming out before the game that was promised years ago (an now may never come out). He should be apologizing for that. Where is that apology?

He has said multiple times that he did not use any funds from cu to make the new game, and that all the funds from the new game have come directly out of his own pocket.

Why would you believe him when he says anything? I really don't get this. He kept the second game secret from everyone. How much money was spent on the engine or the assets before he got outside funding? You think there was a completely separate, clean pool of money and assets/code was never mixed?

It's just so unbelievable that anyone would believe such obvious bullshit.

I hope your day gets better man. Sometimes life gets tough. Try to get some fresh air, stretch a bit, and drink plenty of water.

This type of sarcastic condescension isn't needed. You just posted, on an MMORPG forum, that I should go outside. I mean, I get it. You have nothing to say and want to be funny. I just hope you can recognize the irony in your post.

mmrv · February 2020

Lol good old mark jacobs the con man of all con man and you people fall for him everytime just like the eq1 zealots fall for their guy.

Maybe the most comical part is the fact he says “I’ll take full responsibility” and you peasants are like “ oh he atleast owned it and said sorry so everything is fine here is more money mark”. Like duh who the else responsibility would it be Hahahaha no shit he is responsible for it he said the obvious.

A sucker is Born every day. keep in hoping for you few minutes of nostalgia to provide you some fantasy escape from life lol. This mark jucobs is the original snake oil salesman of lore that is for sure.

Utinni · February 2020

BeansnBread said:

Utinni said:

BeansnBread said:

cloudacv said:

BeansnBread said:

maskedweasel said:

BeansnBread said:

G3Nexis said:

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

My brain just had an aneurysm attempting to read this...

Why do people that spend money on a kickstarter or any form of crowdfunding always expect to get their money back when things don't go as they think it should. Do you go to a casino, lose all your money gambling, and then cry for your money back because it did not go as you planned? No you don't...

Spending money on a kickstarter is essentially gambling your money on a product that may never come to light or may not end up as you had hoped. Deal with it, move on, and maybe learn not to spend money on a kickstarter unless you are prepared to completely forget about ever having that money in the first place.

Or, get your refund. Might as well not be stupid with your money twice.

Everyone is just lucky he's opted to allow for refunds, Kickstarters don't HAVE to give refunds. If projects fail, they don't have to give the money back, though some of them do.

I feel like Mark is in a no win situation here. He did something that made the community mad. He might not have understood it at the time, but he understands it now. He realizes the knee jerk reaction he made to the backlash didn't go over well, and now he's trying to make things right as best he can.

But obviously we're going to have people with no skin in the game attacking whatever he does, and cynics that may have invested that won't be appeased by an apology, so I'm not sure what Mark can do.

I think it wasn't handled well, but I feel for the guy.

He's in a no win situation because he has failed to deliver a product in a timely manner. There have been misrepresentations (some knowable lies) for the last 7-8 years. Apologies don't actually mean anything. It's damage control. It's one more manipulation meant to calm the nerves of a group of people that should be upset about the news.

In fact, while he was "not handling it well," I believe that was the real him speaking plainly and being himself. A lot of people on these boards were saying they respected him for that. Now he comes up with a well thought out, written "honest" apology. But what is the apology even for? Not talking about CU enough? Is it for acting badly on forums? I don't care about either of those things.

He developed an entire different game with the funds that the backers paid him that is coming out before the game that was promised years ago (an now may never come out). He should be apologizing for that. Where is that apology?

He has said multiple times that he did not use any funds from cu to make the new game, and that all the funds from the new game have come directly out of his own pocket.

Why would you believe him when he says anything? I really don't get this. He kept the second game secret from everyone. How much money was spent on the engine or the assets before he got outside funding? You think there was a completely separate, clean pool of money and assets/code was never mixed?

It's just so unbelievable that anyone would believe such obvious bullshit.

I hope your day gets better man. Sometimes life gets tough. Try to get some fresh air, stretch a bit, and drink plenty of water.

This type of sarcastic condescension isn't needed. You just posted, on an MMORPG forum, that I should go outside. I mean, I get it. You have nothing to say and want to be funny. I just hope you can recognize the irony in your post.

You're just further confirming why I hope things get better for you. Your world view is extremely negative.

Also I don't think forums and fresh air are mutually exclusive.

Quizzical · February 2020

All will be forgiven the day that Camelot Unchained launches and is actually good. And probably not until then. And that might never happen.

cloudacv · February 2020

BeansnBread said:

cloudacv said:

BeansnBread said:

maskedweasel said:

BeansnBread said:

G3Nexis said:

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

My brain just had an aneurysm attempting to read this...

Why do people that spend money on a kickstarter or any form of crowdfunding always expect to get their money back when things don't go as they think it should. Do you go to a casino, lose all your money gambling, and then cry for your money back because it did not go as you planned? No you don't...

Spending money on a kickstarter is essentially gambling your money on a product that may never come to light or may not end up as you had hoped. Deal with it, move on, and maybe learn not to spend money on a kickstarter unless you are prepared to completely forget about ever having that money in the first place.

Or, get your refund. Might as well not be stupid with your money twice.

Everyone is just lucky he's opted to allow for refunds, Kickstarters don't HAVE to give refunds. If projects fail, they don't have to give the money back, though some of them do.

I feel like Mark is in a no win situation here. He did something that made the community mad. He might not have understood it at the time, but he understands it now. He realizes the knee jerk reaction he made to the backlash didn't go over well, and now he's trying to make things right as best he can.

But obviously we're going to have people with no skin in the game attacking whatever he does, and cynics that may have invested that won't be appeased by an apology, so I'm not sure what Mark can do.

I think it wasn't handled well, but I feel for the guy.

He's in a no win situation because he has failed to deliver a product in a timely manner. There have been misrepresentations (some knowable lies) for the last 7-8 years. Apologies don't actually mean anything. It's damage control. It's one more manipulation meant to calm the nerves of a group of people that should be upset about the news.

In fact, while he was "not handling it well," I believe that was the real him speaking plainly and being himself. A lot of people on these boards were saying they respected him for that. Now he comes up with a well thought out, written "honest" apology. But what is the apology even for? Not talking about CU enough? Is it for acting badly on forums? I don't care about either of those things.

He developed an entire different game with the funds that the backers paid him that is coming out before the game that was promised years ago (an now may never come out). He should be apologizing for that. Where is that apology?

He has said multiple times that he did not use any funds from cu to make the new game, and that all the funds from the new game have come directly out of his own pocket.

Why would you believe him when he says anything? I really don't get this. He kept the second game secret from everyone. How much money was spent on the engine or the assets before he got outside funding? You think there was a completely separate, clean pool of money and assets/code was never mixed?

It's just so unbelievable that anyone would believe such obvious bullshit.

I haven’t bought into cu or any other crowd funded mmo. That being said, he is offering refunds. What reason does he have to lie about the money coming out of his own pocket? You really do sound like you are having a hard time with this.

BeansnBread · February 2020

Utinni said:

BeansnBread said:

Utinni said:

BeansnBread said:

cloudacv said:

BeansnBread said:

maskedweasel said:

BeansnBread said:

G3Nexis said:

alkarionlog said:

but he will not give the money back, sooo his words are empty and just a way to try and safe face without doing anything to solve, he showing what he was being doing on the game is not really doing more what he already had done

My brain just had an aneurysm attempting to read this...

Why do people that spend money on a kickstarter or any form of crowdfunding always expect to get their money back when things don't go as they think it should. Do you go to a casino, lose all your money gambling, and then cry for your money back because it did not go as you planned? No you don't...

Spending money on a kickstarter is essentially gambling your money on a product that may never come to light or may not end up as you had hoped. Deal with it, move on, and maybe learn not to spend money on a kickstarter unless you are prepared to completely forget about ever having that money in the first place.

Or, get your refund. Might as well not be stupid with your money twice.

Everyone is just lucky he's opted to allow for refunds, Kickstarters don't HAVE to give refunds. If projects fail, they don't have to give the money back, though some of them do.

I feel like Mark is in a no win situation here. He did something that made the community mad. He might not have understood it at the time, but he understands it now. He realizes the knee jerk reaction he made to the backlash didn't go over well, and now he's trying to make things right as best he can.

But obviously we're going to have people with no skin in the game attacking whatever he does, and cynics that may have invested that won't be appeased by an apology, so I'm not sure what Mark can do.

I think it wasn't handled well, but I feel for the guy.

He's in a no win situation because he has failed to deliver a product in a timely manner. There have been misrepresentations (some knowable lies) for the last 7-8 years. Apologies don't actually mean anything. It's damage control. It's one more manipulation meant to calm the nerves of a group of people that should be upset about the news.

In fact, while he was "not handling it well," I believe that was the real him speaking plainly and being himself. A lot of people on these boards were saying they respected him for that. Now he comes up with a well thought out, written "honest" apology. But what is the apology even for? Not talking about CU enough? Is it for acting badly on forums? I don't care about either of those things.

He developed an entire different game with the funds that the backers paid him that is coming out before the game that was promised years ago (an now may never come out). He should be apologizing for that. Where is that apology?

He has said multiple times that he did not use any funds from cu to make the new game, and that all the funds from the new game have come directly out of his own pocket.

Why would you believe him when he says anything? I really don't get this. He kept the second game secret from everyone. How much money was spent on the engine or the assets before he got outside funding? You think there was a completely separate, clean pool of money and assets/code was never mixed?

It's just so unbelievable that anyone would believe such obvious bullshit.

I hope your day gets better man. Sometimes life gets tough. Try to get some fresh air, stretch a bit, and drink plenty of water.

This type of sarcastic condescension isn't needed. You just posted, on an MMORPG forum, that I should go outside. I mean, I get it. You have nothing to say and want to be funny. I just hope you can recognize the irony in your post.

You're just further confirming why I hope things get better for you. Your world view is extremely negative.

Also I don't think forums and fresh air are mutually exclusive.

My view of this situation is very negative and in general, I can at times be negative in my life elsewhere as well, yes. But thanks for all of that caring! It seems so honest and positive!

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