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Toxicity In WoW
viepax
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Just something I Posted on the WoW forums
I have finally realised that WoW is no longer fun (I thank the powers that be it has happened, Shame it's taken so long),and not because of the gameplay, the game is no longer fun because part of the community is completely toxic. A few days ago I bore witness to two players wishing cancer upon each other because one didn't understand the tactics of a fight. I've seen Cancer first hand and I tell you that I would not wish that upon my worst enemy so I sure as hell wouldn't wish on a person that stood in the wrong place at the wrong time in a game. Are people so blinded to the fact that this is a game?
game
[ɡeɪm]
NOUN
an activity that one engages in for amusement or fun.
"the kids were playing a game with their balloons"
Are people so wrapped up in this made up world that they leave there civilatity at the login screen? Because i'm sure that these two would not have had this exchange face to face, watching the whole thing play out on my screen made me for the first time in a long while question my own relationship with WoW and it was as if i had woken up to the fact that the game is rife with disgusting player that think it acceptable to wish people i'll because they are still learning the game, from that point on i noticed so much toxicity, even on my guilds discord server i was shouted at for asking a question, because some players was in a hard mythic dungeon and instead of going to the Mythic Channel he stayed in General Chat, needless to say i left this guild, admittedly the Player in question did message me to apologise for his outburst, he explained that he got caught up in the moment and losted his s$^t. That was very kind and appreciated although I do believe the apology was prompted by his GM and not from any real sense of guilt. Don't get me wrong i am not an innocent i have myself told people to learn to play or to F*&K off on occasions, forgetting that i'm meant to be having fun, in real life i used to be a very angry and dislikable person, however over the years i have calmed and found a peace from not reacting and letting anger go instead of consuming me. Yet a few hours playing WoW and having to deal with players constantly slagging each other off it gets to me and I feel the old toxic thought patterns coming into my mind. And please no one waste their time to tell me there's an ignore list, because if i was to ignore someone for slagging players off i would probably have to block at least 80% of the playerbase, you think i'm exaggerating? Try it for yourself next time you're online, just watch Trade Chat or General Chat and make a conscious note of how many times people are abused. Although you most probably won't, it's like Cypher in the matrix said “Ignorance is bliss”( i'm sure someone more ponitant would have said it before but i love me a bit of Matrix Quotes) i don't blame you, trust me when i say the second you stop to take note of this is the second your life will change.
I truly believe that if each and every player really thought about it, and i mean really thought about what they get from playing WoW or any MMO for that matter, the sense of Fun is not real, it's fake, the game and community brings us down to a level of mood that is borderline depressive and the only thing that boost our mood is the drop of a bit of gear or hiking up your ilvl all of which takes time, time you will never get back and it's time that you are mostly likely not having fun. Your Fun is the brief few seconds of dopamine that you get when you get your gear drop or down the hard boss, the time between these are spent stressed out and angry.
There is no healthy competition in WoW, if you're undergeared you're made to feel like a Noob and that you need to learn how to play, which really means you need to spend more hours behind your computer to gear up. If you're well geared, you think everyone should worship you and listen to every bit of advice you have to give.
My final interaction that pushed me over the edge (and i'm so glad it did) was being told to keep aggro in a low level dungeon, when the player telling me to learn to play was just hitting every mob they saw regardless of where i was. I would love to say that this is a one off but it is not, players are so impatient now that they can't wait for the tank to pull they have to rush through the content as quickly as possible.
STOP
Allow me to stop right here a second, When we go to work the majority of us just want the shift to be over because work isn't very fun, I'm sure i'm not reaching here and that is true for most people, but when you back at home watching TV or Chilling with a book or whatever you don't sit there think i can't wait for this time to end so i can get back to work tomorrow. So why on earth are our patterns in WoW similar to the Work pattern? I need to get this Content don't as soon as possible, because it's not FUN and you don't want to waste any more time than necessary on it.
FYI Comment all you want but i will not be returning here as i don't think WoW deserves another second of my time. My hope is that someone will read this and realise that they don't need this Toxicity in their life, if one person wakes up it was worth it . Also if anyone really takes the time to argue against this then they really need to rethink what is important in there life, because arguing against human rights and global warming and the like are causes that require time and don't get anywhere near the amount they deserve, WoW on the other hand doesn't deserve your time yet it takes it from your conscious mind every time you login, and you would spend even more time to defend it , that an addiction right there.
Warmest blessings
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The 'cancer' curse they use in chat has become commonplace. I hear my son on discord using it too while playing. That and 'retard'. I scolded him but he says everyone says it and don't mean it seriously.
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vateran have an expectation that they want to go through the content smoothly in short period. They felt the newbies are slowing them down.
I usually run pug myself because I enjoy playing with random people. There is a big discrepency on how long it take to complete a dungeon. It can take short period if everyone knows what they are doing. Or it can take 10 times longer with people leaving in and out.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
If a stranger were to eavesdrop on a conversation between me and my brother they would think we hated each other to the core.
Nothing that can't be fixed with a tiny bit of tolerance and compromise but that seems to be in short supply in MMOs especially lately.
There has always been toxicity and asshats in online games but from what I see these days I think they breed faster than friendly and reasonable players
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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
The worst thing for ANY game is to implement BRAGGING platforms,NOBODY wants to see or hear bragging.
Pvp is toxic and always will be,there is NO need for it in a mmorpg.
Ranks...world firsts are forms of bragging.There is NO NEED for it.
AUTOMATED dungeon finder.I have been through it many times.There is ZERO communication and this is suppose to be a MMO,an online game.SO as another poster mentioned,you get this automated group mixed with not just vets but players who know exactly what do in that specific instance.
I was in those,i was talking to another player and the other 3 just started running,vee- lining right for boss a boss b etc etc and by time we got to the final dungeon boss they already had it 1/2 dead...sigh.
When you as a developer create all sorts of non friendly environments,it creates a toxic game and Blizzard managed to add the MOST of any game.
I can add even more and yet again proves the blizzard team or the original team that designed the game had no clue what they were doing.You can waltz through the game SOLO by doing quests.Well how the hell did Blizzard think that would relate to good grouping if the players are predominantly NOT grouping?
Soooooooo yet again,it might be level 60 and all of a sudden a player wants to group and now is a NOOB at grouping,so again you'll mix noobs with grouping vets,,yeah BRIGHT idea Blizzard.
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Yes, there are times when you need to butt out. If it's in a confined situation like a game PuG, you ask them to get a room. Not everyone is searching for a white knight to solve their problems.
Or feel free to continue with the theatrics. People like you are usually the ones that end up on my block lists, not hooligans spatting in public.
Our bubbles of people we actually want to spend our free time with get smaller and smaller as more issues divide us. When we talk and reveal ourselves to be incompatible with each other, it's a lot easier to simply go our separate ways. That's one reason that MMOs like WoW, in which people can kill things and get loot together without ever talking, have retained more of their popularity as the games that require communication and coordinated teamwork have become more niche.
Imagine the irony
No. 2005 only saw over thinking at 5/10 where as 2020 sees it at 20/10
- No bards. I dont play them myself, but them simply lacking from the game is just odd. I think there is a set of classes you should add to any fantasy MMO simply because there are fans of these classes who love playing them. That list is probably Paladin, Warrior, Ranger, Rogue, Bard, Cleric, Druid, Wizard, Necromancer, Enchanter. Theres some which are more optional, like Dark Paladin, Berserker, Monk or Shaman. And you can name your Paladin Crusader, your Enchanter Psion, your Cleric Priest, your Wizard Sorcerer etc. But I wouldnt drop any from the first list. Oh and yes, I have equal problems with Bards being healers in LotRO.
I was having a good time in GW2 the last couple days. Hooked up with some good, friendly, meta-train groups. Then Saturday morning ran into the fecal matter of the GW2 community doing dailies in the Plains of Ashford. People flinging turds at each other for killing too many things too fast and I'm like, "I don't want to play with these people. I'll go decorate my houses in ESO."
And GW2's raiding and WvW community is perpetually awful.
WoW, GW2, ESO, FFXIV, I've had good and bad experiences with the communities of all of them. As somebody who uses the block feature pretty liberally, the balance of my social interactions is positive, but every so often I will find myself in a cesspool and feel bad that I'm even associated with some of these people.