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Blizzard Postpones World of Warcraft: Shadowlands Event Due To Protests

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imageBlizzard Postpones World of Warcraft: Shadowlands Event Due To Protests

Earlier today, announced via Twitter, Blizzard has canceled its World of Warcraft: Shadowlands event that was previously scheduled for June 9th. This joins an increasing number of studios and companies postponing events due to the protests sweeping the United States.

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  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 2,209
    DMKano said:
    Good for them - there are a lot more important things that people need to pay attention to happening right now.

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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,063
    edited June 2020
    DMKano said:
    Good for them - there are a lot more important things that people need to pay attention to happening right now.
    Sure, but after the "tough Hearthstone e-sports moment," any attempt by Blizzard to show solidarity with protests against injustice is going to come across as fake. Which it does.
    AlomarZenJellyblamo2000jimmywolfSailorMomMcSleazNildenOzmodanDiabhual
  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Member RarePosts: 3,319

    DMKano said:

    Good for them - there are a lot more important things that people need to pay attention to happening right now.



    Isn't there always something more important to be paying attention to than personal entertainment?
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    edited June 2020
    Aeander said:
    DMKano said:
    Good for them - there are a lot more important things that people need to pay attention to happening right now.
    Sure, but after the "tough Hearthstone e-sports moment," any attempt by Blizzard to show solidarity with protests against injustice is going to come across as fake. Which it does.
    I disagree. Blizzard must behave within the limits that each country sets them.

    This is something Blizzard can decide to do without fearing consequences from governments. That wasn't.


    NephethAeanderIceAgeMcSleaz
     
  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member RarePosts: 1,130

    Vrika said:


    Aeander said:


    DMKano said:

    Good for them - there are a lot more important things that people need to pay attention to happening right now.


    Sure, but after the "tough Hearthstone e-sports moment," any attempt by Blizzard to show solidarity with protests against injustice is going to come across as fake. Which it does.


    I disagree. Blizzard must behave within the limits that each country sets them.

    This is something Blizzard can decide to do without fearing consequences from governments. That wasn't.





    So what we need is an American Communist Party to have tyrannical control over business (and people) like the Chinese Communist Party? And then Blizzard can cheer on and prop up the ACP out of fear of losing customers?

    I agree with Aeander - it rings completely hollow.
    McSleaz
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Well done Blizzard. +10 EQ points
    klash2def
  • GrintchGrintch Member UncommonPosts: 132
    More pointless virtue-signaling. It sure makes them get that feel good tingly feeling though.
    Cyber_wasteland
  • danastydanasty Member UncommonPosts: 20
    yeah. black lives matter bullshit again.

    Give a brick to a white guy, he will give you a city. Give a city to a black guy, he will give you bricks.

    Hey moderator! FREE SPEECH! Just letting you know.
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  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar Member RarePosts: 1,689
    edited June 2020
    Vrika said:
    Aeander said:
    DMKano said:
    Good for them - there are a lot more important things that people need to pay attention to happening right now.
    Sure, but after the "tough Hearthstone e-sports moment," any attempt by Blizzard to show solidarity with protests against injustice is going to come across as fake. Which it does.
    I disagree. Blizzard must behave within the limits that each country sets them.

    This is something Blizzard can decide to do without fearing consequences from governments. That wasn't.


    Basically, if it's easy to do and costs you nearly nothing, virtue signal that #$%&er.

    If it might cause hardship on you, stay away!
    Caffynated
  • red_cruiserred_cruiser Member UncommonPosts: 486
    Reshaping the world around us is a little optimistic. So far, what we've seen happen is some cities try to transfer money out of police departments and into the pockets of BLM affiliated activist groups.

    Overworked and understaffed police departments are demonstrably proven to make more mistakes, while giving every financial incentive to activist groups to protest, loot and riot at every possible opportunity. Kudos to the protesters out there that have risked their personal well-being to keeping the protests peaceful. The protesting and the rioting don't have to be synonymous, but for now and at least the foreseeable future, they will be.

    George Floyd's death, while tragic and unnecessary, drew near universal condemnation, the almost immediate firing of all involved officers, and murder charges; yet still invoked more than a week of protests and rioting. There are good reasons why our legal system can't move any faster than it has. It is called due process.

    The power of the police union's ability to protect bad officers needs to be reduced, but we need more officers with better training and less money on militarizing the police to make sure that those on the street are not overworked and stressed out by the workload of a very demanding job, a job with an almost unparalleled level of scrutiny. Having back up and support while on the field is critical in reducing mistakes in those moments where split second decisions matter.

    Right now, it seems, we are laying the groundwork for the next wave of so called peaceful protests to be even more violent, result in even more deaths and the destruction of even more property.
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    Vrika said:
    Aeander said:
    DMKano said:
    Good for them - there are a lot more important things that people need to pay attention to happening right now.
    Sure, but after the "tough Hearthstone e-sports moment," any attempt by Blizzard to show solidarity with protests against injustice is going to come across as fake. Which it does.
    I disagree. Blizzard must behave within the limits that each country sets them.

    This is something Blizzard can decide to do without fearing consequences from governments. That wasn't.


    Basically, if it's easy to do and costs you nearly nothing, virtue signal that #$%&er.

    If it might cause hardship on you, stay away!
    Yes, basically.

    If you charge headlong into every battle you're just a loser. If you pick some of them you can do your little bit while still living happily.
     
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    edited June 2020
    Reshaping the world around us is a little optimistic. So far, what we've seen happen is some cities try to transfer money out of police departments and into the pockets of BLM affiliated activist groups.

    Overworked and understaffed police departments are demonstrably proven to make more mistakes, while giving every financial incentive to activist groups to protest, loot and riot at every possible opportunity. Kudos to the protesters out there that have risked their personal well-being to keeping the protests peaceful. The protesting and the rioting don't have to be synonymous, but for now and at least the foreseeable future, they will be.

    George Floyd's death, while tragic and unnecessary, drew near universal condemnation, the almost immediate firing of all involved officers, and murder charges; yet still invoked more than a week of protests and rioting. There are good reasons why our legal system can't move any faster than it has. It is called due process.

    The power of the police union's ability to protect bad officers needs to be reduced, but we need more officers with better training and less money on militarizing the police to make sure that those on the street are not overworked and stressed out by the workload of a very demanding job, a job with an almost unparalleled level of scrutiny. Having back up and support while on the field is critical in reducing mistakes in those moments where split second decisions matter.

    Right now, it seems, we are laying the groundwork for the next wave of so called peaceful protests to be even more violent, result in even more deaths and the destruction of even more property.
    One thing that always amazes me about USA is their inability to get anything constructive done.

    Granted I don't live in USA so I get to see only the largest news. But there's total void of news about making or adjusting racial quotas for police schools, mandatory anti-racist training to certain officials, independent official for investigating and suing in cases of police brutality or misconduct, or doing anything else that might actually help with the problem.
    bcbully
     
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,455
    edited June 2020

    Vrika said:



    Reshaping the world around us is a little optimistic. So far, what we've seen happen is some cities try to transfer money out of police departments and into the pockets of BLM affiliated activist groups.



    Overworked and understaffed police departments are demonstrably proven to make more mistakes, while giving every financial incentive to activist groups to protest, loot and riot at every possible opportunity. Kudos to the protesters out there that have risked their personal well-being to keeping the protests peaceful. The protesting and the rioting don't have to be synonymous, but for now and at least the foreseeable future, they will be.



    George Floyd's death, while tragic and unnecessary, drew near universal condemnation, the almost immediate firing of all involved officers, and murder charges; yet still invoked more than a week of protests and rioting. There are good reasons why our legal system can't move any faster than it has. It is called due process.



    The power of the police union's ability to protect bad officers needs to be reduced, but we need more officers with better training and less money on militarizing the police to make sure that those on the street are not overworked and stressed out by the workload of a very demanding job, a job with an almost unparalleled level of scrutiny. Having back up and support while on the field is critical in reducing mistakes in those moments where split second decisions matter.



    Right now, it seems, we are laying the groundwork for the next wave of so called peaceful protests to be even more violent, result in even more deaths and the destruction of even more property.


    One thing that always amazes me about USA is their inability to get anything constructive done.

    Granted I don't live in USA so I get to see only the largest news. But there's total void of news about making or adjusting racial quotas for police schools, mandatory anti-racist training to certain officials, independent official for investigating and suing in cases of police brutality or misconduct, or doing anything else that might actually help with the problem.


    Do you think none of those measures have taken place? Anything good that is being done to address any issue in our societies rarely if ever gets a mention. Todays news media thrives on emotional drama, a reasoned approach has been thrown out of the window. Even the broadcasters which once had a more rational investigative approach now only want to report drama and ping pong accusations and denials.
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Vrika said:
    Reshaping the world around us is a little optimistic. So far, what we've seen happen is some cities try to transfer money out of police departments and into the pockets of BLM affiliated activist groups.

    Overworked and understaffed police departments are demonstrably proven to make more mistakes, while giving every financial incentive to activist groups to protest, loot and riot at every possible opportunity. Kudos to the protesters out there that have risked their personal well-being to keeping the protests peaceful. The protesting and the rioting don't have to be synonymous, but for now and at least the foreseeable future, they will be.

    George Floyd's death, while tragic and unnecessary, drew near universal condemnation, the almost immediate firing of all involved officers, and murder charges; yet still invoked more than a week of protests and rioting. There are good reasons why our legal system can't move any faster than it has. It is called due process.

    The power of the police union's ability to protect bad officers needs to be reduced, but we need more officers with better training and less money on militarizing the police to make sure that those on the street are not overworked and stressed out by the workload of a very demanding job, a job with an almost unparalleled level of scrutiny. Having back up and support while on the field is critical in reducing mistakes in those moments where split second decisions matter.

    Right now, it seems, we are laying the groundwork for the next wave of so called peaceful protests to be even more violent, result in even more deaths and the destruction of even more property.
    One thing that always amazes me about USA is their inability to get anything constructive done.

    Granted I don't live in USA so I get to see only the largest news. But there's total void of news about making or adjusting racial quotas for police schools, mandatory anti-racist training to certain officials, independent official for investigating and suing in cases of police brutality or misconduct, or doing anything else that might actually help with the problem.
    Independent groups do sue.  What independent non law enforcement related group would have the resources and training to investigate.  They already use outside agencies to investigate and juries for trials.  Quotas do not work....low pay and bad work conditions leave you with a small pool of candidates.  Plus places generally do have departments that reflect their population.  Defunding will make this worse...many departments in bad areas have already lowered qualifications to get more applicants.  Some now accept people with prior criminal records.  

    Do not believe all the hype...statistics do not lie.  Black deaths to police are lower than white deaths and incredibly low when compared to number of crimes committed between the races.  Unarmed deaths are lower still.  Sensationalism and politics drive the issue.  Are there problems in some area.....yeah...problems on the badge side and the community side.  Unqualified police because no one wants to work there leading to bad police and communities that prefer to ignore the criminal elements in their community and blame others for the problems (these are in communities of all colors).

    The places that are the worse are liberal run places and have been for years.  If these liberals are supposedly more sympathetic to the problem why have the not fixed it....most likely because fixing it requires hard choices that no one wants to make.
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,063
    edited June 2020
    DMKano said:
    Aeander said:
    DMKano said:
    Good for them - there are a lot more important things that people need to pay attention to happening right now.
    Sure, but after the "tough Hearthstone e-sports moment," any attempt by Blizzard to show solidarity with protests against injustice is going to come across as fake. Which it does.

    The journey to redemption has to have a starting point somewhere. 

    Even those who have done evil in the past should still be given the chance to do some good in the present.

    Does this excuse their past mistakes - no, still even one step in the right direction is better than other alternatives 

    Not saying that anyone should start waving "blizzard the good guy" flags, but this action was something positive for a change. Will the trend continue, or will they revert to being shitty again .. time will tell
    Maybe. But I don't see this as different. I see this as different standards for different places, and entirely consistent with Blizzard's existing modus operandi.

    Western Blizzard proudly displays LGBT characters, black characters, and makes grandstanding political statements. And that's good.

    Appeal to China Blizzard excludes the Witch Doctor from Diablo Immortal and censors players advocating for their freedom and human rights.

    This is just western Blizzard acting as it has. When Blizzard dares apply this stance in China, then Blizzard will be the good guy.

    danasty said:
    yeah. black lives matter bullshit again.

    Give a brick to a white guy, he will give you a city. Give a city to a black guy, he will give you bricks.

    Hey moderator! FREE SPEECH! Just letting you know.
    Free speech applies to the government. A private organization like this forum can punish wastes of precious oxygen like you all it wants.
    Post edited by Aeander on
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Aeander said:

    danasty said:
    yeah. black lives matter bullshit again.

    Give a brick to a white guy, he will give you a city. Give a city to a black guy, he will give you bricks.

    Hey moderator! FREE SPEECH! Just letting you know.
    Free speech applies to the government. A private organization like this forum can punish wastes of precious oxygen like you all it wants.

    I still wonder in this day and age how people do not understand that.
    Aeanderbcbully
  • cmacqcmacq Member UncommonPosts: 331
    Poster above has been reported. We do not need the garbage he is spewing on these forums
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,063
    cmacq said:
    Poster above has been reported. We do not need the garbage he is spewing on these forums
    Hey Karen the other day you said you "blocked" me I think you hit the wrong button and are following me.  Seriously a little creepy 30 seconds after I post you are here.  Is that normal for this site?  


    Ku Klux Karen complains about people complaining.
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    Nobody in the mainstream media is reporting on over 15 people killed during these riots, again because it doesn't fit their narrative.  

    Letsplaygames123 said:
    I am the one brining attention 45 mostly blacks killed during the riots since it doesn't fit your sides narrative.  
    The death toll is rising at very alarming rate.

     
  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
    edited June 2020
    danasty said:
    yeah. black lives matter bullshit again.

    Give a brick to a white guy, he will give you a city. Give a city to a black guy, he will give you bricks.

    Hey moderator! FREE SPEECH! Just letting you know.
    Here's what's interesting. I waited to see if this thread would be closed. It wasn't.

    So, If I respond to this post with the same energy presented:

     (White people have done nothing but oppress black people in this country. Black People built wealth in America with Free Manual Labor and whites took credit for it at the same time denying us the same wealth and civil rights. Anything other than BLM is a red herring. FREE SPEECH! Just educating you.)

    MODS will lock the thread and give ME a warning. I'm Tired of that shit. I'm tired of the "bury my head in the sand" attitude around here. Every-time I am responding to these types of messages/comments the thread gets closed but not beforehand. WTF. Close the thread as soon as you see it then. Don't wait for my answer. 

    WHY is his/others like this comment allowed but I'm not allowed to reply with the same energy? I want an answer from the mods here publicly. Don't send me a message. Put it here. 

    It's almost as if you think black people don't read this shit and if we do we are supposed to say nothing? 

    EDIT: I bet money they will close it now that the "angry black guy" has responded. Either you support Free Speech or you don't. If you don't then be the same across the board for everyone, not just me. This thread should have been closed but you waited until l responded. 

    This isn't a safe space for racist gamers. I'm going to call all of you out every time I see it. Take that BS somewhere else. 
    Post edited by klash2def on
    bcbully
    "Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."


    "The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."



     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear. 


  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
    edited June 2020
    Horusra said:
    Vrika said:
    Reshaping the world around us is a little optimistic. So far, what we've seen happen is some cities try to transfer money out of police departments and into the pockets of BLM affiliated activist groups.

    Overworked and understaffed police departments are demonstrably proven to make more mistakes, while giving every financial incentive to activist groups to protest, loot and riot at every possible opportunity. Kudos to the protesters out there that have risked their personal well-being to keeping the protests peaceful. The protesting and the rioting don't have to be synonymous, but for now and at least the foreseeable future, they will be.

    George Floyd's death, while tragic and unnecessary, drew near universal condemnation, the almost immediate firing of all involved officers, and murder charges; yet still invoked more than a week of protests and rioting. There are good reasons why our legal system can't move any faster than it has. It is called due process.

    The power of the police union's ability to protect bad officers needs to be reduced, but we need more officers with better training and less money on militarizing the police to make sure that those on the street are not overworked and stressed out by the workload of a very demanding job, a job with an almost unparalleled level of scrutiny. Having back up and support while on the field is critical in reducing mistakes in those moments where split second decisions matter.

    Right now, it seems, we are laying the groundwork for the next wave of so called peaceful protests to be even more violent, result in even more deaths and the destruction of even more property.
    One thing that always amazes me about USA is their inability to get anything constructive done.

    Granted I don't live in USA so I get to see only the largest news. But there's total void of news about making or adjusting racial quotas for police schools, mandatory anti-racist training to certain officials, independent official for investigating and suing in cases of police brutality or misconduct, or doing anything else that might actually help with the problem.
    Independent groups do sue.  What independent non law enforcement related group would have the resources and training to investigate.  They already use outside agencies to investigate and juries for trials.  Quotas do not work....low pay and bad work conditions leave you with a small pool of candidates.  Plus places generally do have departments that reflect their population.  Defunding will make this worse...many departments in bad areas have already lowered qualifications to get more applicants.  Some now accept people with prior criminal records.  

    Do not believe all the hype...statistics do not lie.  Black deaths to police are lower than white deaths and incredibly low when compared to number of crimes committed between the races.  Unarmed deaths are lower still.  Sensationalism and politics drive the issue.  Are there problems in some area.....yeah...problems on the badge side and the community side.  Unqualified police because no one wants to work there leading to bad police and communities that prefer to ignore the criminal elements in their community and blame others for the problems (these are in communities of all colors).

    The places that are the worse are liberal run places and have been for years.  If these liberals are supposedly more sympathetic to the problem why have the not fixed it....most likely because fixing it requires hard choices that no one wants to make.
    Racial Gaslighting.

    Let's compare Black Deaths to white deaths by police. You are making extraordinary claims so please provide evidence. I don't care about how you feel. Prove what you are saying. Your source needs to be backed by Government evidence. Not your patriot message boards. 

    I can easily prove that black people are disproportionately violently policed and killed by Police officer FAR MORE than whites. This isn't even a debate but to entertain you and make you look even more stupid than you already do, please provide proof of your claim.

    We have been experiencing this for over 400 years. But please tell me again how EVERYTHING IS A LIE and white people are killed more to police brutality than Blacks. 
    "Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."


    "The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."



     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear. 


  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
    edited June 2020
    Racial Gaslighting 101 Playbook:

    "If you protested/said it peacefully more people would listen to you"

    "What I said/did is not racist"

    "Racism doesn't exist anymore"

    "It was just a joke, calm down"

    "_________ People are racist too"

    "YOU are racist"
    (usually said to a black person speaking up about racism, not an actual racist.)

    "Why is it always about race?"

    "All lives matter not just black ones"
    (my favorite. As if we said only Black Lives matter. They only say all lives matter to derail a conversation they would rather desperately ignore. They say it to avoid facing an inconvenient reality. It's used to distract from the actual issue of black people getting killed at an alarming rate by police. It's a red herring) 

    "Are you sure that's what happened?"

    "Just to play devil's advocate here"

    "Kneeling disrespects the flag/troops!"
    (Second Fav, since I am an Iraq War Vet that did not fight for a flag but to protect the People that the flag represents which includes black people. we have the right to protest what we want. It's more disrespectful to troops not to kneel. The Flag and Military are not synonymous.)

    "In my opinion, I don't think they were being racist"

    "What about Chicago?"
    (What about it? It's beautiful in the summer)

    "Black on black crime is worse"

    "White people die more than black people do" 


    Now go back and read the comments in this thread and ask yourself why a black person would be tired of this racist adjacent/apologist bullshit. 


    Post edited by klash2def on
    Iselinbcbully
    "Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."


    "The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."



     
    Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear. 


  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    It's too bad Blizzard postponed,i was so looking forward to giving them money to advertise to me.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    edited June 2020
    klash2def said:
    Horusra said:
    Vrika said:
    Reshaping the world around us is a little optimistic. So far, what we've seen happen is some cities try to transfer money out of police departments and into the pockets of BLM affiliated activist groups.

    Overworked and understaffed police departments are demonstrably proven to make more mistakes, while giving every financial incentive to activist groups to protest, loot and riot at every possible opportunity. Kudos to the protesters out there that have risked their personal well-being to keeping the protests peaceful. The protesting and the rioting don't have to be synonymous, but for now and at least the foreseeable future, they will be.

    George Floyd's death, while tragic and unnecessary, drew near universal condemnation, the almost immediate firing of all involved officers, and murder charges; yet still invoked more than a week of protests and rioting. There are good reasons why our legal system can't move any faster than it has. It is called due process.

    The power of the police union's ability to protect bad officers needs to be reduced, but we need more officers with better training and less money on militarizing the police to make sure that those on the street are not overworked and stressed out by the workload of a very demanding job, a job with an almost unparalleled level of scrutiny. Having back up and support while on the field is critical in reducing mistakes in those moments where split second decisions matter.

    Right now, it seems, we are laying the groundwork for the next wave of so called peaceful protests to be even more violent, result in even more deaths and the destruction of even more property.
    One thing that always amazes me about USA is their inability to get anything constructive done.

    Granted I don't live in USA so I get to see only the largest news. But there's total void of news about making or adjusting racial quotas for police schools, mandatory anti-racist training to certain officials, independent official for investigating and suing in cases of police brutality or misconduct, or doing anything else that might actually help with the problem.
    Independent groups do sue.  What independent non law enforcement related group would have the resources and training to investigate.  They already use outside agencies to investigate and juries for trials.  Quotas do not work....low pay and bad work conditions leave you with a small pool of candidates.  Plus places generally do have departments that reflect their population.  Defunding will make this worse...many departments in bad areas have already lowered qualifications to get more applicants.  Some now accept people with prior criminal records.  

    Do not believe all the hype...statistics do not lie.  Black deaths to police are lower than white deaths and incredibly low when compared to number of crimes committed between the races.  Unarmed deaths are lower still.  Sensationalism and politics drive the issue.  Are there problems in some area.....yeah...problems on the badge side and the community side.  Unqualified police because no one wants to work there leading to bad police and communities that prefer to ignore the criminal elements in their community and blame others for the problems (these are in communities of all colors).

    The places that are the worse are liberal run places and have been for years.  If these liberals are supposedly more sympathetic to the problem why have the not fixed it....most likely because fixing it requires hard choices that no one wants to make.
    Racial Gaslighting.

    Let's compare Black Deaths to white deaths by police. You are making extraordinary claims so please provide evidence. I don't care about how you feel. Prove what you are saying.

    I can easily prove that black people are disproportionately violently policed and killed by Police officer FAR MORE than whites. This isn't even a debate but to entertain you and make you look even more stupid than you already do, please provide proof of your claim.

    We have been experiencing this for over 400 years. But please tell me again how EVERYTHING IS A LIE and white people are killed more to police brutality than Blacks. 

    As an Native American, I will tell you this .. Native Americans are killed by law enforcement more than any other race in this country today .. Right now still 800 years later ..


       But.. you do not see Native Americans Rioting, Stealing, Destroying there neighbors property..  SOme peoples have more Pride,Dignity , and Respect for others that have nothing to do with the misfortune of one ..

     That does not mean change is not needed , personnally if i was there when MR Floyd got into his situation i would have acted and tryed to drag the cop off .. Thats me my morale fiber runs deep and i will not watch an injustice as many did there.. All those that watched that happen are culpable in Mr Floyds death imo ..

     Native Americans  do protest and address Laws and Legislation , to some degree there has been progress.. But to harm and  bring ruin to our own homes and neighbors and businesses is just a terrible irresponsinble lack of self control ...  I realize that there are other factions involved here , but the movement joined right in and did nothing to stop the destruction and mayhem , but more so saw an oppurtunity to steal from there neighbors ..  And that is because of there upbringing , not racial oppresion .. the lack of respect for there own is mind boggling

    blamo2000bcbullyklash2def
  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
    Scorchien said:
    klash2def said:
    Horusra said:
    Vrika said:
    Reshaping the world around us is a little optimistic. So far, what we've seen happen is some cities try to transfer money out of police departments and into the pockets of BLM affiliated activist groups.

    Overworked and understaffed police departments are demonstrably proven to make more mistakes, while giving every financial incentive to activist groups to protest, loot and riot at every possible opportunity. Kudos to the protesters out there that have risked their personal well-being to keeping the protests peaceful. The protesting and the rioting don't have to be synonymous, but for now and at least the foreseeable future, they will be.

    George Floyd's death, while tragic and unnecessary, drew near universal condemnation, the almost immediate firing of all involved officers, and murder charges; yet still invoked more than a week of protests and rioting. There are good reasons why our legal system can't move any faster than it has. It is called due process.

    The power of the police union's ability to protect bad officers needs to be reduced, but we need more officers with better training and less money on militarizing the police to make sure that those on the street are not overworked and stressed out by the workload of a very demanding job, a job with an almost unparalleled level of scrutiny. Having back up and support while on the field is critical in reducing mistakes in those moments where split second decisions matter.

    Right now, it seems, we are laying the groundwork for the next wave of so called peaceful protests to be even more violent, result in even more deaths and the destruction of even more property.
    One thing that always amazes me about USA is their inability to get anything constructive done.

    Granted I don't live in USA so I get to see only the largest news. But there's total void of news about making or adjusting racial quotas for police schools, mandatory anti-racist training to certain officials, independent official for investigating and suing in cases of police brutality or misconduct, or doing anything else that might actually help with the problem.
    Independent groups do sue.  What independent non law enforcement related group would have the resources and training to investigate.  They already use outside agencies to investigate and juries for trials.  Quotas do not work....low pay and bad work conditions leave you with a small pool of candidates.  Plus places generally do have departments that reflect their population.  Defunding will make this worse...many departments in bad areas have already lowered qualifications to get more applicants.  Some now accept people with prior criminal records.  

    Do not believe all the hype...statistics do not lie.  Black deaths to police are lower than white deaths and incredibly low when compared to number of crimes committed between the races.  Unarmed deaths are lower still.  Sensationalism and politics drive the issue.  Are there problems in some area.....yeah...problems on the badge side and the community side.  Unqualified police because no one wants to work there leading to bad police and communities that prefer to ignore the criminal elements in their community and blame others for the problems (these are in communities of all colors).

    The places that are the worse are liberal run places and have been for years.  If these liberals are supposedly more sympathetic to the problem why have the not fixed it....most likely because fixing it requires hard choices that no one wants to make.
    Racial Gaslighting.

    Let's compare Black Deaths to white deaths by police. You are making extraordinary claims so please provide evidence. I don't care about how you feel. Prove what you are saying.

    I can easily prove that black people are disproportionately violently policed and killed by Police officer FAR MORE than whites. This isn't even a debate but to entertain you and make you look even more stupid than you already do, please provide proof of your claim.

    We have been experiencing this for over 400 years. But please tell me again how EVERYTHING IS A LIE and white people are killed more to police brutality than Blacks. 

    As an Native American, I will tell you this .. Native Americans are killed by law enforcement more than any other race in this country today .. Right now still 800 years later ..


       But.. you do not see Native Americans Rioting, Stealing, Destroying there neighbors property..  SOme peoples have more Pride,Dignity , and Respect for others that have nothing to do with the misfortune of one ..

     That does not mean change is not needed , personnally if i was there when MR Floyd got into his situation i would have acted and tryed to drag the cop off .. Thats me my morale fiber runs deep and i will not watch an injustice as many did there.. All those that watched that happen are culpable in Mr Floyds death imo ..

     Native Americans  do protest and address Laws and Legislation , to some degree there has been progress.. But to harm and  bring ruin to our own homes and neighbors and businesses is just a terrible irresponsinble lack of self control ...  I realize that there are other factions involved here , but the movement joined right in and did nothing to stop the destruction and mayhem , but more so saw an oppurtunity to steal from there neighbors ..

    Native People are not killed more than black people in this country by police. Stop that. It's gaslighting. I read your link nowhere in there does it say so so please provide evidence of your claim.

    It is sad that those killings don't get as much coverage but maybe you need to task your people to be louder and more active about it. Dont wait, if you want justice you must fight for it. It won't be given in this country. None of the Native issues take away from the truth about what we are saying about Police Brutality against blacks though so im unsure of why you felt the need to bring it up. This is what I mean by gaslighting. 


    Buildings can be rebuilt. Lives cannot be replaced. I don't care about any of those businesses or buildings being destroyed in a violent protest. Rebuild it. It's a violent protest what do you expect. We are not singing we shall overcome we are angry and tired of waiting for justice that never comes. Freedom must be taken.  Enough is enough.

    It's telling that people care more about those buildings than they do the actual lives being taken. This ain't about looting. White people were looting. It wasn't just blacks. So please stop that narrative. Also more people were protesting than looting. I was there I saw it with my own eyes white people breaking glass out of storefronts and looting. I saw it. there is video of it all over twitter from all over America. 

    Im not Native American. I cant speak for you. I know black people are tired of this shit and have been tired.
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