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RTX 3000 unveil coming September 1st

VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
in Hardware
NVidia has announced that they are broadcasting an event where they will celebrate 21 years of GeForce GPUs and “highlight the company’s latest innovations in gaming and graphics" on September 1st.

There's no official word on what those latest innovations will be, but during the last month or so we've seen rumors that RTX 3000 launch is imminent and NVidia is stopping production of RTX 2070 and 2080 models in preparation. It's almost certain this event will be official unveil of RTX 3000 series.

There are leaks around that upcoming RTX 3080 could be up to 30% faster than RTX 2080 Ti and will launch in September, but those leaks aren't particularly trustworthy.

Sources:
  https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363265/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-september-1st-event-rumors
  https://www.tomsguide.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-event-set-for-sept-1-what-to-expect
 
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Nvidia has officially said that they're going to announce something on September 1.  They haven't said what exactly they're going to announce, but a GeForce version of the Ampere architecture is by far the most obvious guess.
    Hyperpsycrow
  • AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188
    edited August 2020
    Well yeah, they are annoucing a special GeForce event 
    Plus it's the 21st anniversary of the Geforce 256 release so it will be a new GeForce gaming card. Also same time frame as approx 2 years back Turing came out.

    NVIDIA will broadcast a GeForce Special Event, featuring an address by founder and CEO Jensen Huang, on Sept. 1, at 9 a.m. Pacific time.
    During the event, Huang will highlight the company’s latest innovations in gaming and graphics. Tune in at https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/special-event/. via NVIDIA




  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    Vrika said:
    NVidia has announced that they are broadcasting an event where they will celebrate 21 years of GeForce GPUs and “highlight the company’s latest innovations in gaming and graphics" on September 1st.

    There's no official word on what those latest innovations will be, but during the last month or so we've seen rumors that RTX 3000 launch is imminent and NVidia is stopping production of RTX 2070 and 2080 models in preparation. It's almost certain this event will be official unveil of RTX 3000 series.

    There are leaks around that upcoming RTX 3080 could be up to 30% faster than RTX 2080 Ti and will launch in September, but those leaks aren't particularly trustworthy.

    Sources:
      https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363265/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-september-1st-event-rumors
      https://www.tomsguide.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-event-set-for-sept-1-what-to-expect
    I very much doubt they are stopping production of the 2070 and 2080 as those 3000 series cards will be in short supply most 0f the fall.
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    Ozmodan said:
    Vrika said:
    NVidia has announced that they are broadcasting an event where they will celebrate 21 years of GeForce GPUs and “highlight the company’s latest innovations in gaming and graphics" on September 1st.

    There's no official word on what those latest innovations will be, but during the last month or so we've seen rumors that RTX 3000 launch is imminent and NVidia is stopping production of RTX 2070 and 2080 models in preparation. It's almost certain this event will be official unveil of RTX 3000 series.

    There are leaks around that upcoming RTX 3080 could be up to 30% faster than RTX 2080 Ti and will launch in September, but those leaks aren't particularly trustworthy.

    Sources:
      https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363265/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-september-1st-event-rumors
      https://www.tomsguide.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-event-set-for-sept-1-what-to-expect
    I very much doubt they are stopping production of the 2070 and 2080 as those 3000 series cards will be in short supply most 0f the fall.
    It takes a couple of months from starting production of last wafers to the GPUs running out of stock in stores.

    Once NVidia launches their 3000 series high end models, it's likely that their 2000 series high end models will look like a bad deal at their current prices. Even if 3000 is in short supply, very few would want 2000 series high end model at current prices. So NVidia needs to either start bringing down the production of 2000 series high end models well in advance, or discount them when they launch their next generation, and NVidia looks unwilling to discount.
    Ozmodan
     
  • AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188
    Ozmodan said:
    Vrika said:
    NVidia has announced that they are broadcasting an event where they will celebrate 21 years of GeForce GPUs and “highlight the company’s latest innovations in gaming and graphics" on September 1st.

    There's no official word on what those latest innovations will be, but during the last month or so we've seen rumors that RTX 3000 launch is imminent and NVidia is stopping production of RTX 2070 and 2080 models in preparation. It's almost certain this event will be official unveil of RTX 3000 series.

    There are leaks around that upcoming RTX 3080 could be up to 30% faster than RTX 2080 Ti and will launch in September, but those leaks aren't particularly trustworthy.

    Sources:
      https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363265/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-september-1st-event-rumors
      https://www.tomsguide.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-event-set-for-sept-1-what-to-expect
    I very much doubt they are stopping production of the 2070 and 2080 as those 3000 series cards will be in short supply most 0f the fall.
    How//why will the new series be in short supply?

    Apparently they are on Samsung's 8nm node which has tons of availability, and which Nvidia needs.
    Ozmodan



  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Ozmodan said:
    Vrika said:
    NVidia has announced that they are broadcasting an event where they will celebrate 21 years of GeForce GPUs and “highlight the company’s latest innovations in gaming and graphics" on September 1st.

    There's no official word on what those latest innovations will be, but during the last month or so we've seen rumors that RTX 3000 launch is imminent and NVidia is stopping production of RTX 2070 and 2080 models in preparation. It's almost certain this event will be official unveil of RTX 3000 series.

    There are leaks around that upcoming RTX 3080 could be up to 30% faster than RTX 2080 Ti and will launch in September, but those leaks aren't particularly trustworthy.

    Sources:
      https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363265/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-september-1st-event-rumors
      https://www.tomsguide.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-event-set-for-sept-1-what-to-expect
    I very much doubt they are stopping production of the 2070 and 2080 as those 3000 series cards will be in short supply most 0f the fall.
    That all depends on when they launch and when they started production.  TSMC's 7 nm process node is now pretty mature, so that shouldn't be a meaningful obstacle, unless perhaps they're using the newer EUV node.  I'm less familiar with Samsung's competing nodes, but they've also been out for a while.  GDDR6 memory is also mature and widely available from both Samsung and Micron.  With Nvidia not in an obviously bad position, I don't see any reason for them to rush a paper launch.

    There were some rumors that Ampere was going to use either GDDR6X memory or possibly GDDR6 clocked at 18 Gbps.  Such memory doesn't yet exist from any of the three main DRAM vendors, and relying on it would indeed point toward a paper launch.  But the logical conclusion is that such rumors were simply wrong and Nvidia isn't going to delay Ampere to wait for memory that doesn't exist.  14 Gbps GDDR6 is widely available, and 16 Gbps DDR6 is available now from Samsung and soon from Micron.
    Ozmodan
  • AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188
    edited August 2020
    Quizzical said:
    There were some rumors that Ampere was going to use either GDDR6X memory or possibly GDDR6 clocked at 18 Gbps.  Such memory doesn't yet exist from any of the three main DRAM vendors, and relying on it would indeed point toward a paper launch. 
    GDDR6X is real and runs at 19-21GB/s, developed by Micron.
    Micron pdf link - 

    Micron:
    In Summer of 2020, Micron announced the next evolution of Ultra-Bandwidth Solutions in GDDR6X. Working closely with NVIDIA on their Ampere generation of graphics cards, Micron’s 8Gb GDDR6X will deliver up to 21Gb/s (data rate per pin) in 2020. At 21Gb/s, a graphic card with 12pcs of GDDR6X will be able to break the 1TB/s of system bandwidth barrier! Micron’s roadmap also highlights the potential for a 16Gb GDDR6X in 2021 with the ability to reach up to 24Gb/s. GDDR6X is powered by a revolutionary new PAM4 modulation technology for Ultra-Bandwidth Solutions. PAM4 has the potential to drive even more improvements in data rate.

    Additionally, rumours pointing towards Navi 21 (Big Navi) only using GDDR6



  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    AmazingAvery said:
    Quizzical said:
    There were some rumors that Ampere was going to use either GDDR6X memory or possibly GDDR6 clocked at 18 Gbps.  Such memory doesn't yet exist from any of the three main DRAM vendors, and relying on it would indeed point toward a paper launch. 
    GDDR6X is real and runs at 19-21GB/s, developed by Micron.
    Micron pdf link - 

    Micron:
    In Summer of 2020, Micron announced the next evolution of Ultra-Bandwidth Solutions in GDDR6X. Working closely with NVIDIA on their Ampere generation of graphics cards, Micron’s 8Gb GDDR6X will deliver up to 21Gb/s (data rate per pin) in 2020. At 21Gb/s, a graphic card with 12pcs of GDDR6X will be able to break the 1TB/s of system bandwidth barrier! Micron’s roadmap also highlights the potential for a 16Gb GDDR6X in 2021 with the ability to reach up to 24Gb/s. GDDR6X is powered by a revolutionary new PAM4 modulation technology for Ultra-Bandwidth Solutions. PAM4 has the potential to drive even more improvements in data rate.

    Additionally, rumours pointing towards Navi 21 (Big Navi) only using GDDR6

    In development is not the same as commercially available.  GDDR6X isn't even sampling yet.  Do I believe that they're going to go from a memory technology not yet sampling to a hard launch of video cards based on it in less than three weeks?  In a word, no.  At this point, a hard launch of video cards based on GDDR6X in 2020 is very unlikely.

    That .pdf file says that Micron announced GDDR6X in 2020, in the same sense that they announced GDDR5X in 2015.  GDDR5X products didn't launch in 2015, of course.  The GTX 1080 had a very soft launch in May 2016, and wasn't widely available at MSRP until near the end of 2016.

    Rumors that Nvidia will launch an RTX 3090 with 12 GB of GDDR6X memory are certainly plausible--in 2021.  Or perhaps they'll be able to sneak a paper launch in by the end of 2020.  But if Nvidia's upcoming event talks about such a product at all, it's going to be as something still far off, not something that you'll be able to buy off of New Egg the next week.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    edited August 2020
    It's interesting that GDDR6X is moving toward PAM4 modulation rather than the NRZ that all previous memory standards have used.  PCI Express 6.0 is doing the same thing.  Higher modulation has long been common for things with much lower symbol rates, of course.  Cell phones have been using 256QAM for quite some time.  Apparently they now think it's easier to advance by designing more precise modulation than a higher symbol rate.
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Little upset they are stopping products on the 2060 super and 2070 super. I was gonna buy one as the price drops. Guess not. I just dont care about Ray Tracing till its more affordable. My guess the 3000 series will be costly. 
    Asm0deusCatibrie
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Nanfoodle said:
    Little upset they are stopping products on the 2060 super and 2070 super. I was gonna buy one as the price drops. Guess not. I just dont care about Ray Tracing till its more affordable. My guess the 3000 series will be costly. 
    Well of course they're going to stop production on the older products, once they can build new products that are faster for cheaper.  Would you still want to buy a brand new GeForce GTX 280 today?  Even if you could get it for $20?
  • AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188
    Quizzical said:
    In development is not the same as commercially available.  GDDR6X isn't even sampling yet.  Do I believe that they're going to go from a memory technology not yet sampling to a hard launch of video cards based on it in less than three weeks?  In a word, no.  At this point, a hard launch of video cards based on GDDR6X in 2020 is very unlikely.


    https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-features-twelve-gddr6x-memory-modules


    https://videocardz.com/newz/micron-confirms-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gets-21gbps-gddr6x-memory

    Yep it is happening and in just over a month from now availability (Sep 17th)




  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    edited August 2020
    Quizzical said:
    In development is not the same as commercially available.  GDDR6X isn't even sampling yet.  Do I believe that they're going to go from a memory technology not yet sampling to a hard launch of video cards based on it in less than three weeks?  In a word, no.  At this point, a hard launch of video cards based on GDDR6X in 2020 is very unlikely.


    https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-features-twelve-gddr6x-memory-modules


    https://videocardz.com/newz/micron-confirms-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gets-21gbps-gddr6x-memory

    Yep it is happening and in just over a month from now availability (Sep 17th)
    While I have no idea when Nvidia will officially launch the part, a hard launch of video cards based on GDDR6X memory is not going to happen on September 17.  Ampere cards based on GDDR6 might be available to buy then, but not GDDR6X.  Or there might even be a paper launch of GDDR6X cards, but not a hard launch.

    Here's Micron's take on what graphics memory you can buy from them:

    https://www.micron.com/products/graphics-memory

    There are two options, and GDDR6X isn't one of them.  They're willing to list parts as sampling even before they're in mass production, too.  For example:

    https://www.micron.com/products/graphics-memory/gddr6/part-catalog/mt61k512m32kpa-16


  • AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188
    Quizzical said:
    Quizzical said:
    In development is not the same as commercially available.  GDDR6X isn't even sampling yet.  Do I believe that they're going to go from a memory technology not yet sampling to a hard launch of video cards based on it in less than three weeks?  In a word, no.  At this point, a hard launch of video cards based on GDDR6X in 2020 is very unlikely.


    https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-features-twelve-gddr6x-memory-modules


    https://videocardz.com/newz/micron-confirms-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gets-21gbps-gddr6x-memory

    Yep it is happening and in just over a month from now availability (Sep 17th)
    While I have no idea when Nvidia will officially launch the part, a hard launch of video cards based on GDDR6X memory is not going to happen on September 17.  Ampere cards based on GDDR6 might be available to buy then, but not GDDR6X.  Or there might even be a paper launch of GDDR6X cards, but not a hard launch.

    Here's Micron's take on what graphics memory you can buy from them:

    https://www.micron.com/products/graphics-memory

    There are two options, and GDDR6X isn't one of them.  They're willing to list parts as sampling even before they're in mass production, too.  For example:

    https://www.micron.com/products/graphics-memory/gddr6/part-catalog/mt61k512m32kpa-16


    Micron took down the article. What does that say eh.  Posted to early and was inaccurate as Nvidia will launch their high end SKUs with more memory now.

    what will happen is Nvidia will announce Ampere gaming on Sept 1. Most likely two high ends cards with AIC and FE availability is leaked for Sept 17th.

    GDDR6X will be on them.



  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    AmazingAvery said:
    Quizzical said:
    Quizzical said:
    In development is not the same as commercially available.  GDDR6X isn't even sampling yet.  Do I believe that they're going to go from a memory technology not yet sampling to a hard launch of video cards based on it in less than three weeks?  In a word, no.  At this point, a hard launch of video cards based on GDDR6X in 2020 is very unlikely.


    https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-features-twelve-gddr6x-memory-modules


    https://videocardz.com/newz/micron-confirms-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gets-21gbps-gddr6x-memory

    Yep it is happening and in just over a month from now availability (Sep 17th)
    While I have no idea when Nvidia will officially launch the part, a hard launch of video cards based on GDDR6X memory is not going to happen on September 17.  Ampere cards based on GDDR6 might be available to buy then, but not GDDR6X.  Or there might even be a paper launch of GDDR6X cards, but not a hard launch.

    Here's Micron's take on what graphics memory you can buy from them:

    https://www.micron.com/products/graphics-memory

    There are two options, and GDDR6X isn't one of them.  They're willing to list parts as sampling even before they're in mass production, too.  For example:

    https://www.micron.com/products/graphics-memory/gddr6/part-catalog/mt61k512m32kpa-16


    Micron took down the article. What does that say eh.  Posted to early and was inaccurate as Nvidia will launch their high end SKUs with more memory now.

    what will happen is Nvidia will announce Ampere gaming on Sept 1. Most likely two high ends cards with AIC and FE availability is leaked for Sept 17th.

    GDDR6X will be on them.

    We had this same argument in 2016 about the GeForce GTX 1080, though from reading through the old threads, it looks like you weren't part of that argument.  GDDR5X was much further along then than GDDR6X is today, with Micron having announced that it was sampling about two months before Nvidia announced Pascal.

    With such a new memory standard, I strongly insisted that it would be a very soft launch.  And I was 100% right about that.  It wasn't until months after launch that the GTX 1080 was consistently in stock at all, and it took about six months before you could get it at MSRP.  This time, my claim that there will not be a hard launch of video cards with GDDR6X in September 2020 is again going to be 100% right and for exactly the same reasons.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    edited August 2020
    "Availability"

    I also remember the 1080. It was "Available" for almost 6 months before a mere mortal could lay their hands on one at anything remotely close to MSRP.

    Sure, the review sites will all get one, so the reviews will all be out. And you'll see posts pop up of people getting them, but they either paid 3x list price to get it, or camped some inventory tracker site and just happened to get lucky to get one of the five cards released that week.

    So it will seem like they are out there in the wild. And nVidia gets to say they are out with a straight face to their investors, and demand is "through the roof, unbelievable, selling them as fast as we can make 'em, can't keep them in stock!" looks great for the stock market, even if you're only selling 5 cards a week.

    And the stock price is what nVidia really cares about. They won't sell enough of the x80's to really move revenue, it's a halo product. But they want it to kick butt so you think of nVidia first and as the premium product when you go to buy whatever it is you are going to buy. And they will sell hundreds of thousands of x60's and x70s - where the real money is, and where they actually have competition.

    And there marketing works perfectly, judging by all the Team Green I see all over various forums.
  • AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188
    All I am saying is that cards will launch with GDDR6X on them in September from Nvidia period. Not GDDR6.

    Quizzical said:
    There are two options, and GDDR6X isn't one of them.  




  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    AmazingAvery said:
    All I am saying is that cards will launch with GDDR6X on them in September from Nvidia period. Not GDDR6.

    Quizzical said:
    There are two options, and GDDR6X isn't one of them.  


    Is a paper launch with wide availability not coming until 2021 consistent with your claims?
  • WylfWylf Member UncommonPosts: 376
    Don't care about the argument here, just want to know what this means for gqmers.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Wylf said:
    Don't care about the argument here, just want to know what this means for gqmers.
    It means be ready to really open up your wallet if you want the newness.
  • AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188
    Quizzical said:
    AmazingAvery said:
    All I am saying is that cards will launch with GDDR6X on them in September from Nvidia period. Not GDDR6.

    Quizzical said:
    There are two options, and GDDR6X isn't one of them.  


    Is a paper launch with wide availability not coming until 2021 consistent with your claims?
    Possibly, I do not know availability and nor does anyone in the public at this point in time.



  • AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188
    Ridelynn said:
    Wylf said:
    Don't care about the argument here, just want to know what this means for gqmers.
    It means be ready to really open up your wallet if you want the newness.
    Yep, apparently 20% higher cost for SKUs above 070 and below that about the same. Expect performance to be awesome.



  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    AMD could still upstage them with big Navi as I don't expect much availability for these cards until 2021, especially the lesser-priced ones.  The availability of GDDR6X will limit it and Nvidia will push the high end cards where the profit margin is high.
  • HyperpsycrowHyperpsycrow Member RarePosts: 954
    wait for 3090 start 2022




  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    Ozmodan said:
    AMD could still upstage them with big Navi as I don't expect much availability for these cards until 2021, especially the lesser-priced ones.  The availability of GDDR6X will limit it and Nvidia will push the high end cards where the profit margin is high.
    If NVidia goes for as large GPUs as the rumors say, AMD upstaging them with Navi is unlikely.

    But price/performance is more important anyway.
     
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