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OPINION: Microsoft's ZeniMax Acquisition is Bad for Consumers (Shank Rants)

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edited September 2020 in News & Features Discussion

imageOPINION: Microsoft's ZeniMax Acquisition is Bad for Consumers (Shank Rants)

By now, you have no doubt seen the news of Microsoft's $7.5 billion buyout of Zenimax Media - the parent company of Bethesda Softworks. Before the hype and excitement make their rounds, if they haven't already, let's pause for a moment and apply some critical thinking. I do not think this acquisition is good for consumers. Here's why.

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  • xpsyncxpsync Member EpicPosts: 1,854
    Not if you're on gamepass, just saying.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060
    I really, really don't think it is.

    Bethesda needs quality control. It needs standards. The kind of standards that being a first party platform seller would put upon it.

    Microsoft needs quality platform selling titles to compete with Sony on that front. That competition would push both of them to compete on a game quality level and potentially even force Sony's hand on competing with Gamepass.

    I don't like that Xbox has been a joke. I want to see it do better, and this could be a step towards it doing better.
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    edited September 2020
    This article is a little naive imo....All the exclusives Sony has had over the years and what is the ONE thing that people have always told Microsoft they've lacked.....Exclusives.....so now they solve that problem....and people complain. Just blame Sony at this point. The one thing Microsoft is doing right is incorporating the PC market this time around. What is Sony doing exactly? If sony wants to barter with God of War or something, that helps everyone....The only people I see really suffering from this deal are people who only support Sony (nintendo too I guess).
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,651
    As someone who is PC focused I like this acquisition. Sure I guess if you are purely a console gamer then you might be concerned about getting locked out of a specific title, but from the perspective of a PC user... this is a win. More titles added to the Gamepass Ultimate which allow you to play these games on your PC. I just spent around $130 to buy XB live Gold and then convert it to Gamepass Ultimate. I'm good until April 2023. It costs about $4 a month this way. I already downloaded (but haven't tried) No Man's Sky, The Outer Worlds and Ship of Thieves...

    So, to reiterate... as a PC using MMORPG player... I like this deal so far.
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  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    Both Microsoft and Sony have been making exclusive games.

    Hell, Sony is far worse in this and owns/has sole game exclusive agreements with a lot of studios.

    Sony has far more Playstation only game exclusives than Microsoft.

    Microsoft is just trying to compete with Sony.

    The advantage with Microsoft however, is that their games will not be XBox only exclusive, but also end up on PC, since they own both platforms and are pushing Game passes on both.

    As such, actually benefiting a lot more gamers worldwide, unlike Sony who wants to lock everything down to Playstation only.

    So PC gamers should actually rejoice and be happy it's Microsoft who acquired Zenimax and not Sony.
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  • xpsyncxpsync Member EpicPosts: 1,854
    Hey lets get real for a second, it wasn't EA.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060
    xpsync said:
    Hey lets get real for a second, it wasn't EA.
    At this point, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Microsoft buys EA.
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  • xpsyncxpsync Member EpicPosts: 1,854
    Aeander said:
    xpsync said:
    Hey lets get real for a second, it wasn't EA.
    At this point, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Microsoft buys EA.

    That too would probably be for the better.

    Maybe why EA is coming out with a DESKTOP app i still have origin and all i've done with it for the last several years is update it?
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  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    As pointed out, I'd rather it was microsoft than sony. At least, we who don't want consoles can play those games.
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  • xpsyncxpsync Member EpicPosts: 1,854
    Problem with big greedy af corps are the scum they get to run them. EA for example, there's f'ing no interest in creating great games, Funcom same deal, the list goes on and on.

    Soon as EA buys any amazing studio it's trashed within 6 months becasue all it is about for EA and the like is how do we milk the cattle for more green.

    It's what you feel like, a fucking money dispenser, cause that is what you are to them. Sheep, lemmings, morons, mindless idiots, a sea of idiots willing to part with cash for humdrum garbage games. Loot boxes anyone? Where's the game ffs.

    Echoing blue turtle, Microsoft has an extraordinarily observant realistic leader, who understands that gamer's (and consumers of their products ofc) are his boss, if we are happy we will willingly spend as we feel the value is worth the product and not being nickle and dime'd to f'ing death along the way. Minecraft case and point as one example, if it ain't broke, and look how popular it is still to this day, i mean if EA got hold of it we would be paying for each block put into the world.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    It's funny but I've always thought of Sony as being the one that really pushed exclusivity as a selling point as well as being the major roadblock to cross platform play.

    Anyway I don't much care about console exclusivity wars having always been almost 100% a PC gamer. I'm good with game pass and other PC gaming services.

    Also... PS5 players have nothing to worry about with respect to ESO since the PS5 will run the PS4 version of ESO, Anything ZOS has said about new generation console specific versions of ESO are plans for the future and knowing them, that's probably far future. What they have said is that player on the new Xbox of PS5 can carry right on playing the current version of ESO from day one of the new consoles' release - the current console versions will keep right on working on the new consoles.

    Starfield and TES6 I guess we'll see but I doubt even MS with all their money will pass up the likely 33% of total sales by not also releasing on the PS5.





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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,427
    edited September 2020
    I am afraid Poorna really misses the point here and seems obsessed about whether or not this will effect titles coming out on the PS.

    For the entire gaming community this is a question of what type of games we play and how we play them. Look what happened to Bioware, Bethesda is unlikely to be any different.

    Monopolies do not help any industry and the number of players in the gaming world just keeps dwindling. This is another death knell tolling for gaming innovation and originality. While indie mushrooms, AAA coalesces and stagnates.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060

    Aeander said:


    xpsync said:

    Hey lets get real for a second, it wasn't EA.


    At this point, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Microsoft buys EA.



    I am still amazed how EA is still afloat. I guess the FIFA and Sims 4 whales do keep a company afloat.
    For which I apologize immensely. Every time my girlfriend and I get in a fight, that's one more Sims 4 DLC I'm getting her.  :(
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  • foppoteefoppotee Member RarePosts: 537
    I'm still amazed & impressed how all the parties involved kept it under wraps until the official announcement. That is an incredible feat in today's era. A huge surprise reveal with seismic implications.
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  • barasawabarasawa Member UncommonPosts: 618
    Sorry, but your article was based on weak reasoning and a myopic view.

    You automatically assumed the worst at every turn and ignored all the context of the gaming industry as it already stands. Bashing Microsoft for potentially doing things in the future that have long been standard practices for all the other big players in the field, and not even alluding to the greater whole.

    We get it, you hate Microsoft. So what, everybody hates the big dogs, especially when they slobber. But if it wasn't Microsoft it would be some other company.
    And let's be honest, Microsoft hasn't done anything to endear themselves to gamers, but they haven't really screwed us over either, other than the bat guano insane naming non-convention on the xboxs. (Really, what acid & meth addled exec came up with those?)

    You want to complain about exclusives? Wow, talk about wanting the cake and eating mine too!
    I'll bet last year you were complaining that Microsoft didn't have any good exclusives, and now you're complaining that they MIGHT have exclusives? Sheesh, blow out both ends of that candle before you get burnt.

    I'll stop pointing out things about your article and end with this: I don't know what Microsoft will actually do, and neither does anyone else here. I look forward to hopefully seeing some good things as they aren't entrenched in an our way or else attitude like many others. Of course, they could whiff it bigtime, and that would suck. If nothing else, maybe they can get Bethesda back on track to greatness, and at least they aren't the studio killer that is EA.

    Let's keep our fingers crossed and keep an eye on this.

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  • xpsyncxpsync Member EpicPosts: 1,854
    Scot said:
    I am afraid Poorna really misses the point here and seems obsessed about whether or not this will effect titles coming out on the PS.

    For the entire gaming community this is a question of what type of games we play and how we play them. Look what happened to Bioware, Bethesda is unlikely to be any different.

    Monopolies do not help any industry and the number of players in the gaming world just keeps dwindling. This is another death knell tolling for gaming innovation and originality. While indie mushrooms, AAA coalesces and stagnates.

    Normally i would agree, but MS has been around the block a time or two and am amazed at how they turned themselves around, from a wonderment, to most hated corporation to ever exist, to a much more consumer conscious attitude.

    Sure, time will tell but i think they understand that all we want are great games, better value for the $$, and so far they could not be more onboard in this department.

    I mean i was a big flight sim player, and the new one, good? bad? i dunno but when i went to check how much it's going to cost me if i cave i was pleasantly surprised, FREE! with gamepass.

    Bottom line of any option, i'm not upset at all it  was MS, tbh i'm pumped about this.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060
    I am absolutely fine with exclusives. It's the way much of the best content in the industry gets made, and it is the most effective way that all platform holders compete for market share.

    Without exclusives, Amazon wouldn't be pumping out quality content like The Boys, Carnival Row, and Good Omens. Netflix wouldn't be putting out Stranger Things (before it went to crap) and the Umbrella Academy. HBO wouldn't be putting out Game of Thrones (before it went to crap) and His Dark Materials.

    Sony wouldn't be putting out God of War, The Last of Us, Spiderman, etc.

    Nintendo wouldn't be putting out your Marios, Zeldas, and Fire Emblems.



    I don't want to imagine a gaming landscape in which these don't exist or are of lesser quality.
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  • foxgirlfoxgirl Member RarePosts: 485
    Article: DOOM DOOOOOM It's bad all of it! *moan* *complain* harp*

    The acquisition pumped money into ZOS. That's a good thing.

    As for exclusivity, it's ok for consoles to have exclusive games, but not Microsoft?
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584


    As someone who is PC focused I like this acquisition. Sure I guess if you are purely a console gamer then you might be concerned about getting locked out of a specific title, but from the perspective of a PC user... this is a win. More titles added to the Gamepass Ultimate which allow you to play these games on your PC. I just spent around $130 to buy XB live Gold and then convert it to Gamepass Ultimate. I'm good until April 2023. It costs about $4 a month this way. I already downloaded (but haven't tried) No Man's Sky, The Outer Worlds and Ship of Thieves...



    So, to reiterate... as a PC using MMORPG player... I like this deal so far.




    emulators, that is the answer, how you think anyone could play breath of the wild without a nintendo? lol


    rally since I don't bother with consoles, and most exclusives are timed and the ones who are not you survive without, because there is always a copy around the corner(if is good people will copy it) and if anything bethesda need some QA lets hope MS will put that up on then, I would be worried if MS will try to cut any modders from working on bethesda games, because lets get real here any success bethesda have is because of modders, and even so bethesda tried to get money from then

    still with luck we can see obsidian putting his hands on fallout IP again with thankfully they can save the IP back to his glory
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  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,057

    Albatroes said:

    This article is a little naive imo....All the exclusives Sony has had over the years and what is the ONE thing that people have always told Microsoft they've lacked.....Exclusives.....so now they solve that problem....and people complain. Just blame Sony at this point. The one thing Microsoft is doing right is incorporating the PC market this time around. What is Sony doing exactly? If sony wants to barter with God of War or something, that helps everyone....The only people I see really suffering from this deal are people who only support Sony (nintendo too I guess).



    I'm too lazy to check, but something tells me that this writer doesn't feel this way in regard to Sony or Nintendo keeping things exclusive to their consoles.
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  • SplattrSplattr Member RarePosts: 577
    Gamers around the world: Yes! Maybe now Bethesda will make games that aren't full of bugs.

    Poorna: Big business is bad!
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    edited September 2020
    Multiplatform games became a big thing during the PS3 and 360 generation when Sony and Microsoft starting "competing" with PC. Before that all platforms were driven by mostly exclusive games, including PC.

    Am I upset that i will probably never see Bethesda games on Playstation in the future? yes. Am I OK if they become Xbox exclusive on the console side? yes, for the same reason I stated above. Exclusivity has always driven all platforms, even the PC. Hell, my favorite PC games are not available on any console so i'll always have a PC to run those games. Same for consoles.

    Competition is going to get tough this next gen and I like that.




  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    I'm ok with exlusives.

    But I'm worried that Microsoft might be gaining too much power here. We need the competition between Microsoft and Sony so that there's more than just a single option, but with both Windows and XBox and the success of game pass it feels Microsoft already has somewhat upper hand. If Microsoft keeps spending billions buying game studios there's a risk they might win against Sony, and that would be really bad for us consumers, we need there to be real competition.
     
  • coleman11bcoleman11b Member UncommonPosts: 76
    Microsoft has been pretty consumer friendly recently with its Gamepass, move to steam, and releasing exclusives on both Xbox and PC. I say this as a Playstation fanboy. This whole article has a chicken little, sky is falling vibe to it. Microsoft has been less and less interested in exclusivity over the years because it ultimately makes them less money. They lost the previous console generation badly, and this one isn't shaping up well if you consider the reception of their flagship product Halo.

    I believe Microsoft isn't even interested in a "console/exclusivity" war anymore because they have shown an incredible willingness to lose money on their consoles. The appearance of a consumer-friendly Microsoft that leverages a few exclusives(Fable, Halo, Gears, Etc.), while making the majority of their products widely available on competing consoles and digital platforms, is a more likely scenario for Microsoft to pursue. I'll even go out on a limb and predict that this next Xbox will be the last console Microsoft develops that doesn't have complete software parity with their Win10 and future operating systems. Microsoft is moving toward monetizing large-scale, easy access to their products while protecting the exclusivity a few original IP's.
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