I think that not all content is the same for every person - hence the value is not the same.
Example - paying $60 for 25 hours of a game series that you are a huge fan of - it's no big deal
Paying $60 for 25 hours for a game that you are sort of but not really interested in - yeah that is not a good deal
Bottom line - 25 hours can be easily worth $60 to someone who is a huge fan.
I know personally that for my most loved games - I would gladly pay top price for 25 hours worth of kick ass content.
Also for games that I sort of don't care for much - paying $10 for 1000 hours of content would probably not be something I would bother with.
So being a fan of the game + quality of content makes a huge difference as far as how I consider it's cost/value
My suspicion is that it will be the same as the prior games that I paid $27 and $28 for but with a BG aesthetic. I have no problem with them setting the price at anything they want, but to ME, as I explained... they already level set my expectations to be in the $30 range. This is double that. On top of that, pretty much every Early Access game I have seen has released with a discount. They certainly do not have to do so, but this makes them the anomaly.
You see the value and want to buy it, go right ahead.
I'll wait because I think they are crazy.
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Not sure whats worse the 150 GB needed or the 60 bucks for an EA game with little to no content. That may be in development for another 3 years. Right now I think all you need its 65 GB. so theyre going to expand it obviously. Enough people will be streaming it (getting paid to stream it) so it wont be necessary to play it anyway. All these 'story driven' games are all the same. they can claim all the nuance and options they want but they all end up in the same place eventually. Unless its like Witcher 3 and the 35 or so possible endings (and most of those are variations of a 'main' finish) then the options will be pretty limited.
With So many games out and coming out (Cyberpunk, Port Royal 4, Crusader Kings 3, Medieval Dynasty, ) and also the major updates to games already out...Stellaris, Raft, Anno 1800, Mount and Blade etc) there more than enough stuff to keep most people busy. Even if youre still locked down and with winter coming.
But its new its a major IP and it will get some buzz. But I surely wont be getting it any time soon.
The value of a game differs to each person. For me, the $60 price drives me away because im not hard up on getting any game. Now if it was path of exile 2 or perhaps starcraft 3, then yeah, i may jump on those because my desire supersedes the cost.
For BG3, i put it on my wishlist, but i had mentally set a $20 range for me to buy it early. Plus, given my work schedule, i am on the slate for 80 hrs this week, so no point to buy the game now, i can wait for reviews.
In general, you can always wait ror reviews, but if people dont, i dont fault them. I prefer to watch movies without looking at reviews or trailers.
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I feel bad, after 6 hours of playing this and really wanting to like it, I really, really hate it.
Early access bugs are bad at this point, but this is just DOS 3 with a very thin D&D skin.
The combat is clunky and slow, the camera is brutal, and it has so many of the DOS 2 mechanics that were dumb (like surfaces).
I deeply regret playing it long enough that I can't get refunded by steam.
I discovered this luckily very quickly and put in the refund request.
Just the whole camera controls alone were driving me beyond nuts! This got to be one of the worst camera control implementations I have ever experienced and I thought it couldn't get any worse after playing Planet Coaster extensively. I really hope they put some focus on that and vastly improve it.
For the rest, the game feels pretty barebones with a lot missing. Character creator and customization is very limited too. After all those boasting dev videos... had expected more, so I hope that will be expanded in coming time. Which pretty sure they will, since a lot of stuff was greyed out/disabled.
BTW, yes it worth it and I'm not waiting around for reviews to know what I already know. Instant classic.
Good for you.
and speaking of which, here is a reviewer I happen to like who has generally positive things to say.
I'm debating but trying NOT to get it as I'd like to play a finished product and there are certainly things missing.
That video actually highlights in how barebones and extremely buggy/unfinished the game currently is.... even for an EA game.
You'd expected that Act.1 would have actually been finished for this release, with a couple bugs here and there and that most of the work is the remaining Acts and crushing bugs that pop up during EA.
But this is far from the truth at this moment and I feel the game isn't even really Beta yet, more like late Alpha state.
Hence, why I requested a refund. No way in hell that this game is going to be in a finished release state in a year. More like 2-3 years from now. I would love to be proven wrong.... but we have seen this time and again with so many other Early Access games.
I am not bashing the devs or anything and sure it will be an excellent game in the end when they finish it.
I just personally feel they should have posponed Early Access till early next year or so, to give a better experience. At least a completely finished and ready Act.1. Now it feels the Early Access was a bit rushed, like they are running out of Cash or something...
BTW, yes it worth it and I'm not waiting around for reviews to know what I already know. Instant classic.
Good for you.
and speaking of which, here is a reviewer I happen to like who has generally positive things to say.
I'm debating but trying NOT to get it as I'd like to play a finished product and there are certainly things missing.
That video actually highlights in how barebones and extremely buggy/unfinished the game currently is.... even for an EA game.
You'd expected that Act.1 would have actually been finished for this release, with a couple bugs here and there and that most of the work is the remaining Acts and crushing bugs that pop up during EA.
But this is far from the truth at this moment and I feel the game isn't even really Beta yet, more like late Alpha state.
Hence, why I requested a refund. No way in hell that this game is going to be in a finished release state in a year. More like 2-3 years from now. I would love to be proven wrong.... but we have seen this time and again with so many other Early Access games.
I am not bashing the devs or anything and sure it will be an excellent game in the end when they finish it.
I just personally feel they should have posponed Early Access till early next year or so, to give a better experience. At least a completely finished and ready Act.1. Now it feels the Early Access was a bit rushed, like they are running out of Cash or something...
The thing is, I look at early access as being completely unfinished. Essentially "beta."
So I expect it to have missing cut scenes, bugs, "issues."
Early access is not about being finished. At all.
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For my boys computers one xmas i bought them a tera ssd evo, to replace their tera spindle, blew them away with the performance boost.
When i went over to install the new ssd i used Macrium Reflect Free, stuck the ssd in used clone took out the spindle booted right up, did my spindles this way as well.
The reason i'm pointing this out is on a podcast, not going to mention which one, but was a wow cast and was in when blizz said you need an ssd drive, and the apparent IT professional????????????????????????????????????????
Was telling everyone that you have to start over and buy a new version of windows to switch to ssd, and was adamant there was no other way. The other caster is clueless about tech so no rebuttal. How can anyone be a geek and not know this chit?
Once it's cloned the only difference is your machine is a thousand times faster, every icon exactly where it should be, every file, every game, literally everything, it's a fucking mirror of data, and fuck no you don't need to buy windows again or start over, wholly fucking shit i can't believe that horrific advice.
On to my point lmao
Guess what i bought my boys again this past xmas, another tera ssd, now i know why.
Here they are running 2 tera per box, and here i am with 2 250's lol, the other box has two 500's ssd, i always put in two drives.
When i bought the 2 250's, i paid "more" for them than what it costs me to buy 2 1 tera's now.
No computer or laptop should ship with a spindle unless it's storage only, we tried running games off of their old spindle and yeah, we took them out, pointless when you have ssd, and they don't store anything, strictly gaming rigs.
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The thing is, I look at early access as being completely unfinished. Essentially "beta."
So I expect it to have missing cut scenes, bugs, "issues."
Early access is not about being finished. At all.
Maybe you should try to re-read my post again. I never said I expected a complete game. But them releasing EA with Act.1 only, I at least expected Act.1 to be finished.
You talk about Beta, I have been in plenty of Beta's. This game isn't even in Beta state. Sorry. More like late Alpha still.
I get it. The whole Corona situation is ugly. Lot of people out of jobs. Companies going down under. Etc. It's obvious they running low on cash and were forced to rush the Early Access release and try get some cash coming in to continue development.
That's fine. At least they should have been honest about it that they had to go into Early Access now or cease development and go down under.
For me it's a complete waste of time to try even play the game right now, with so many stuff still missing and even the Act.1 content being half finished. I would be totally burned out by the time the game is fully finished.
I will keep an eye out on developments and when I start reading reports that development has progressed far enough that at least Act.1 is fully finished and fleshed out. Then I might buy it again.
Until then.... good luck for those that try it now.
The thing is, I look at early access as being completely unfinished. Essentially "beta."
So I expect it to have missing cut scenes, bugs, "issues."
Early access is not about being finished. At all.
Maybe you should try to re-read my post again. I never said I expected a complete game. But them releasing EA with Act.1 only, I at least expected Act.1 to be finished.
You talk about Beta, I have been in plenty of Beta's. This game isn't even in Beta state. Sorry. More like late Alpha still.
I get it. The whole Corona situation is ugly. Lot of people out of jobs. Companies going down under. Etc. It's obvious they running low on cash and were forced to rush the Early Access release and try get some cash coming in to continue development.
That's fine. At least they should have been honest about it that they had to go into Early Access now or cease development and go down under.
For me it's a complete waste of time to try even play the game right now, with so many stuff still missing and even the Act.1 content being half finished. I would be totally burned out by the time the game is fully finished.
I will keep an eye out on developments and when I start reading reports that development has progressed far enough that at least Act.1 is fully finished and fleshed out. Then I might buy it again.
Until then.... good luck for those that try it now.
I read your post just fine. You have this idea that "early access means x, y and z should be there.
You expect an Act I. why? The game is not finished. They mostly have Act I done so that is what people can play. But so much isn't there. That's not alpha level though. It's Beta.
Beta means feature complete. As far as I can see the game is "feature complete." But it's not content complete.
I don't think you really understand the difference between beta and alpha.
This isn't to say that you SHOULD be happy with the purchase or even like it. I'm holding off precisely because I don't want to have input into this game's development. I want to play it.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
The thing is, I look at early access as being completely unfinished. Essentially "beta."
So I expect it to have missing cut scenes, bugs, "issues."
Early access is not about being finished. At all.
Maybe you should try to re-read my post again. I never said I expected a complete game. But them releasing EA with Act.1 only, I at least expected Act.1 to be finished.
You talk about Beta, I have been in plenty of Beta's. This game isn't even in Beta state. Sorry. More like late Alpha still.
I get it. The whole Corona situation is ugly. Lot of people out of jobs. Companies going down under. Etc. It's obvious they running low on cash and were forced to rush the Early Access release and try get some cash coming in to continue development.
That's fine. At least they should have been honest about it that they had to go into Early Access now or cease development and go down under.
For me it's a complete waste of time to try even play the game right now, with so many stuff still missing and even the Act.1 content being half finished. I would be totally burned out by the time the game is fully finished.
I will keep an eye out on developments and when I start reading reports that development has progressed far enough that at least Act.1 is fully finished and fleshed out. Then I might buy it again.
Until then.... good luck for those that try it now.
I read your post just fine. You have this idea that "early access means x, y and z should be there.
You expect an Act I. why? The game is not finished. They mostly have Act I done so that is what people can play. But so much isn't there. That's not alpha level though. It's Beta.
Beta means feature complete. As far as I can see the game is "feature complete." But it's not content complete.
I don't think you really understand the difference between beta and alpha.
This isn't to say that you SHOULD be happy with the purchase or even like it. I'm holding off precisely because I don't want to have input into this game's development. I want to play it.
The TL;DR for the news bite crowd:
Studio: Here's Early Access. It isn't finished, but if you want in early here it is.
Gamers: Why isn't it finished?
Very true but to be fair neither the $60 EA price tag nor the gaming media induced hype do anything to set straight the easily confused.
And then there's the fact that EA games come in a variety of states all the way from alpha to nearly ready. EA is like Forest Gump's box of chocolates
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The thing is, I look at early access as being completely unfinished. Essentially "beta."
So I expect it to have missing cut scenes, bugs, "issues."
Early access is not about being finished. At all.
Maybe you should try to re-read my post again. I never said I expected a complete game. But them releasing EA with Act.1 only, I at least expected Act.1 to be finished.
You talk about Beta, I have been in plenty of Beta's. This game isn't even in Beta state. Sorry. More like late Alpha still.
I get it. The whole Corona situation is ugly. Lot of people out of jobs. Companies going down under. Etc. It's obvious they running low on cash and were forced to rush the Early Access release and try get some cash coming in to continue development.
That's fine. At least they should have been honest about it that they had to go into Early Access now or cease development and go down under.
For me it's a complete waste of time to try even play the game right now, with so many stuff still missing and even the Act.1 content being half finished. I would be totally burned out by the time the game is fully finished.
I will keep an eye out on developments and when I start reading reports that development has progressed far enough that at least Act.1 is fully finished and fleshed out. Then I might buy it again.
Until then.... good luck for those that try it now.
I read your post just fine. You have this idea that "early access means x, y and z should be there.
You expect an Act I. why? The game is not finished. They mostly have Act I done so that is what people can play. But so much isn't there. That's not alpha level though. It's Beta.
Beta means feature complete. As far as I can see the game is "feature complete." But it's not content complete.
I don't think you really understand the difference between beta and alpha.
This isn't to say that you SHOULD be happy with the purchase or even like it. I'm holding off precisely because I don't want to have input into this game's development. I want to play it.
The TL;DR for the news bite crowd:
Studio: Here's Early Access. It isn't finished, but if you want in early here it is.
Gamers: Why isn't it finished?
I see what you are saying but in this case it's not quite that clear cut.. Sorvath asked "You expect an Act 1. why?"
And the answer is found right in their FAQ: “The Early Access version of Baldur’s Gate 3 includes Act 1 of the game which, in one playthrough, is approximately 25 hours of self-contained content. 6 player classes are supported and 9 races/subraces with more to be added later."
They then go on to say that there will be bugs but it should be an experience that "feels complete": "We’ve worked hard to release an Early Access version that feels complete, fun to play, and has as little stub (unfinished) content as possible. There are bugs and there will be changes to content (often based on player feedback), but our goal is to already now give you something that’s genuinely fun to play.”
Now I haven't played it so I can't say if @jerokane is over reacting or not, but based on the above statements by the company I would expect the full Act 1 of the game, with about 25 hours of content with some bugs but no huge blockers.
I have seen positive reviews and I have seen negative ones. Sadly for me, many of the worst reviews are coming from the multiplayer portion. This was the facet I was looking most forward to as we played through D:OS and D:OS2 that way.
Hopefully by the holiday season they have most of the issues worked out AND we get a sweet Steam sale.
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The thing is, I look at early access as being completely unfinished. Essentially "beta."
So I expect it to have missing cut scenes, bugs, "issues."
Early access is not about being finished. At all.
Maybe you should try to re-read my post again. I never said I expected a complete game. But them releasing EA with Act.1 only, I at least expected Act.1 to be finished.
You talk about Beta, I have been in plenty of Beta's. This game isn't even in Beta state. Sorry. More like late Alpha still.
I get it. The whole Corona situation is ugly. Lot of people out of jobs. Companies going down under. Etc. It's obvious they running low on cash and were forced to rush the Early Access release and try get some cash coming in to continue development.
That's fine. At least they should have been honest about it that they had to go into Early Access now or cease development and go down under.
For me it's a complete waste of time to try even play the game right now, with so many stuff still missing and even the Act.1 content being half finished. I would be totally burned out by the time the game is fully finished.
I will keep an eye out on developments and when I start reading reports that development has progressed far enough that at least Act.1 is fully finished and fleshed out. Then I might buy it again.
Until then.... good luck for those that try it now.
I read your post just fine. You have this idea that "early access means x, y and z should be there.
You expect an Act I. why? The game is not finished. They mostly have Act I done so that is what people can play. But so much isn't there. That's not alpha level though. It's Beta.
Beta means feature complete. As far as I can see the game is "feature complete." But it's not content complete.
I don't think you really understand the difference between beta and alpha.
This isn't to say that you SHOULD be happy with the purchase or even like it. I'm holding off precisely because I don't want to have input into this game's development. I want to play it.
The TL;DR for the news bite crowd:
Studio: Here's Early Access. It isn't finished, but if you want in early here it is.
Gamers: Why isn't it finished?
I see what you are saying but in this case it's not quite that clear cut.. Sorvath asked "You expect an Act 1. why?"
And the answer is found right in their FAQ: “The Early Access version of Baldur’s Gate 3 includes Act 1 of the game which, in one playthrough, is approximately 25 hours of self-contained content. 6 player classes are supported and 9 races/subraces with more to be added later."
They then go on to say that there will be bugs but it should be an experience that "feels complete": "We’ve worked hard to release an Early Access version that feels complete, fun to play, and has as little stub (unfinished) content as possible. There are bugs and there will be changes to content (often based on player feedback), but our goal is to already now give you something that’s genuinely fun to play.”
Now I haven't played it so I can't say if @jerokane is over reacting or not, but based on the above statements by the company I would expect the full Act 1 of the game, with about 25 hours of content with some bugs but no huge blockers.
I have seen positive reviews and I have seen negative ones. Sadly for me, many of the worst reviews are coming from the multiplayer portion. This was the facet I was looking most forward to as we played through D:OS and D:OS2 that way.
Hopefully by the holiday season they have most of the issues worked out AND we get a sweet Steam sale.
Would you say Crowfall is complete for what they're advertising and worth $50? Expectations are subjective.
Personally, I would in no way shape or form recommend that someone buy Crowfall for $50 right now without joining the FREE beta to try it. That's full price for the game and you do not get any bonuses. But then again my expectations are level-set by what was offered in the past. The package I bought included 5 years VIP sub, a physical collectors edition (and second account), Alpha access and all kinds of goodies.
My take on CF is that it's pretty much complete. Whether it's fun is the question, and so far it hasn't hooked me, but some tweaks here or there might or might not do the trick.
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They then go on to say that there will be bugs but it should be an experience that "feels complete": "We’ve worked hard to release an Early Access version that feels complete, fun to play, and has as little stub (unfinished) content as possible. There are bugs and there will be changes to content (often based on player feedback), but our goal is to already now give you something that’s genuinely fun to play.”
You see that's the crux of the issue.
"Feels complete." Not complete.
So someone playing this, as I read it, an go from the start to end of Act I and feel like they've followed it along "pretty much."
And that's where it ends.
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I am not to happy about this. Not happy that this is an early access release so that is preventing me from opting in, and the $80 Canadian price tag for an early access game is another big reason. Will wait and see what happens when it reaches full release and then take a look at what they might try to do to nickel and dime its players. Was really looking forward to this game and now I am not too sure.
Will wait and see what happens when it reaches full release and then take a look at what they might try to do to nickel and dime its players. Was really looking forward to this game and now I am not too sure.
Yeah man, those Larian folks are always out to nickel and dime us poor players, I can't believe they are selling their game at full-price! That's insane! Next, they'll probably do terrible things like giving away a definitive edition for free, those villains!
Will wait and see what happens when it reaches full release and then take a look at what they might try to do to nickel and dime its players. Was really looking forward to this game and now I am not too sure.
Yeah man, those Larian folks are always out to nickel and dime us poor players, I can't believe they are selling their game at full-price! That's insane! Next, they'll probably do terrible things like giving away a definitive edition for free, those villains!
Nowhere is it written that they will have to actually finish the game if the sales from this early access exceed their expectations. There is no law or binding contract just like every other early access title.
Why exactly did they have to release the game that THEY say is INCOMPLETE for FULL price? Did their partners make them or did they decide on their own cause the optics are REALLY bad.
D OS was a kickstarter and they required people's money to make their game just like now they are essentially selling an incomplete game and making a pinky promise to complete it later... These people have benefited greatly off people's trust and donations over the years to enrich themselves.
Whether the game is the greatest ever made doesn't change that the business side of it stinks any way you look at it.
Will wait and see what happens when it reaches full release and then take a look at what they might try to do to nickel and dime its players. Was really looking forward to this game and now I am not too sure.
Yeah man, those Larian folks are always out to nickel and dime us poor players, I can't believe they are selling their game at full-price! That's insane! Next, they'll probably do terrible things like giving away a definitive edition for free, those villains!
Nowhere is it written that they will have to actually finish the game if the sales from this early access exceed their expectations. There is no law or binding contract just like every other early access title.
Why exactly did they have to release the game that THEY say is INCOMPLETE for FULL price? Did their partners make them or did they decide on their own cause the optics are REALLY bad.
D OS was a kickstarter and they required people's money to make their game just like now they are essentially selling an incomplete game and making a pinky promise to complete it later... These people have benefited greatly off people's trust and donations over the years to enrich themselves.
Whether the game is the greatest ever made doesn't change that the business side of it stinks any way you look at it.
Because Larian has many, many diehard fans that aren’t this bitter jaded bunch and love to get their hands on a part of the game early?
The amount of whining in this thread is ridiculous. If Larian hasn’t proven to be trustworthy over the years I don’t know who has. Do you people spy on your elderly parents all day too because anybody could be a murderer?
The idea alone that BG3 might not get finished or should cost less then 60 bucks, bunch of whiners. People have been wishing for this game for two decades and that is the reaction, and it is being made by a very well renowned studio to boot.
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Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Will wait and see what happens when it reaches full release and then take a look at what they might try to do to nickel and dime its players. Was really looking forward to this game and now I am not too sure.
Yeah man, those Larian folks are always out to nickel and dime us poor players, I can't believe they are selling their game at full-price! That's insane! Next, they'll probably do terrible things like giving away a definitive edition for free, those villains!
Nowhere is it written that they will have to actually finish the game if the sales from this early access exceed their expectations. There is no law or binding contract just like every other early access title.
Why exactly did they have to release the game that THEY say is INCOMPLETE for FULL price? Did their partners make them or did they decide on their own cause the optics are REALLY bad.
D OS was a kickstarter and they required people's money to make their game just like now they are essentially selling an incomplete game and making a pinky promise to complete it later... These people have benefited greatly off people's trust and donations over the years to enrich themselves.
Whether the game is the greatest ever made doesn't change that the business side of it stinks any way you look at it.
Because Larian has many, many diehard fans that aren’t this bitter jaded bunch and love to get their hands on a part of the game early?
The amount of whining in this thread is ridiculous. If Larian hasn’t proven to be trustworthy over the years I don’t know who has. Do you people spy on your elderly parents all day too because anybody could be a murderer?
The idea alone that BG3 might not get finished or should cost less then 60 bucks, bunch of whiners. People have been wishing for this game for two decades and that is the reaction, and it is being made by a very well renowned studio to boot.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
They are asking $60 for an unfinished game with a 'promise' that they will finish it later which could take years. If they were such a great company why would they do something like that? That "game will be finished eventually/you'll get the full game later" statement being thrown around here and on steam is cover for the devs and no one knows with 100% certainty if it will be "finished" or what exactly finished is. If "fans" are needed to provide cover for their obviously flawed business decision how great can that company be?
"or should cost less then 60 bucks" - I think it should absolutely cost $60 when it's finished.
"Because Larian has many, many diehard fans that aren’t this bitter jaded
bunch and love to get their hands on a part of the game early?"
Yes, I'm sure they released the game for $60 in an unfinished state for THE FANS. Thinking any game company does anything for THE FANS is _____. Game companies do anything & almost everything for one thing only >>> themselves. They could care less about you or "the fans" but the seratonin releasing state playing a good game creates somehow makes people think devs are their friends. They didn't make the game to give you happy feelings they made it to improve their own situation/lives.
People calling out a company for releasing an incomplete single player game for full price with 80GB DL isn't whining it's called a legitimate concern. This isn't a MMO like CF where players create part of the content through PVP or other ways this is 100% developer created.
IMO they released early to gauge how much more work they actually need to do and what they can get away with. If they planned on selling X amount of copies and don't meet that mark then they will develop enough to get there in the coming months/years. If they see the outrage is through the roof then they'll go above and beyond with a bunch of freebies etc. If they see enough people like yourself are essentially doing their PR for free then they may feel confident enough to do the bare minimum cause they know "the fans" will defend them.
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I know I'm in the minority, but I didn't care much for Divinity games. I bought them and tried to force myself to enjoy them, but I couldn't
You see the value and want to buy it, go right ahead.
I'll wait because I think they are crazy.
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With So many games out and coming out (Cyberpunk, Port Royal 4, Crusader Kings 3, Medieval Dynasty, ) and also the major updates to games already out...Stellaris, Raft, Anno 1800, Mount and Blade etc) there more than enough stuff to keep most people busy. Even if youre still locked down and with winter coming.
But its new its a major IP and it will get some buzz. But I surely wont be getting it any time soon.
For BG3, i put it on my wishlist, but i had mentally set a $20 range for me to buy it early. Plus, given my work schedule, i am on the slate for 80 hrs this week, so no point to buy the game now, i can wait for reviews.
In general, you can always wait ror reviews, but if people dont, i dont fault them. I prefer to watch movies without looking at reviews or trailers.
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Early access bugs are bad at this point, but this is just DOS 3 with a very thin D&D skin.
The combat is clunky and slow, the camera is brutal, and it has so many of the DOS 2 mechanics that were dumb (like surfaces).
I deeply regret playing it long enough that I can't get refunded by steam.
I never played a Baldur's Gate game. but I always imagined they had at least 100 hours of content. 25 seems terrible.
It's not the final release so there will be more.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Just the whole camera controls alone were driving me beyond nuts! This got to be one of the worst camera control implementations I have ever experienced and I thought it couldn't get any worse after playing Planet Coaster extensively.
I really hope they put some focus on that and vastly improve it.
For the rest, the game feels pretty barebones with a lot missing. Character creator and customization is very limited too. After all those boasting dev videos... had expected more, so I hope that will be expanded in coming time. Which pretty sure they will, since a lot of stuff was greyed out/disabled.
I might come back to it at a later date.
You'd expected that Act.1 would have actually been finished for this release, with a couple bugs here and there and that most of the work is the remaining Acts and crushing bugs that pop up during EA.
But this is far from the truth at this moment and I feel the game isn't even really Beta yet, more like late Alpha state.
Hence, why I requested a refund. No way in hell that this game is going to be in a finished release state in a year. More like 2-3 years from now.
I would love to be proven wrong.... but we have seen this time and again with so many other Early Access games.
I am not bashing the devs or anything and sure it will be an excellent game in the end when they finish it.
I just personally feel they should have posponed Early Access till early next year or so, to give a better experience. At least a completely finished and ready Act.1.
Now it feels the Early Access was a bit rushed, like they are running out of Cash or something...
So I expect it to have missing cut scenes, bugs, "issues."
Early access is not about being finished. At all.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
But them releasing EA with Act.1 only, I at least expected Act.1 to be finished.
You talk about Beta, I have been in plenty of Beta's. This game isn't even in Beta state. Sorry. More like late Alpha still.
I get it. The whole Corona situation is ugly. Lot of people out of jobs. Companies going down under. Etc.
It's obvious they running low on cash and were forced to rush the Early Access release and try get some cash coming in to continue development.
That's fine. At least they should have been honest about it that they had to go into Early Access now or cease development and go down under.
For me it's a complete waste of time to try even play the game right now, with so many stuff still missing and even the Act.1 content being half finished.
I would be totally burned out by the time the game is fully finished.
I will keep an eye out on developments and when I start reading reports that development has progressed far enough that at least Act.1 is fully finished and fleshed out. Then I might buy it again.
Until then.... good luck for those that try it now.
You expect an Act I. why? The game is not finished. They mostly have Act I done so that is what people can play. But so much isn't there. That's not alpha level though. It's Beta.
Beta means feature complete. As far as I can see the game is "feature complete." But it's not content complete.
I don't think you really understand the difference between beta and alpha.
This isn't to say that you SHOULD be happy with the purchase or even like it. I'm holding off precisely because I don't want to have input into this game's development. I want to play it.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
And then there's the fact that EA games come in a variety of states all the way from alpha to nearly ready. EA is like Forest Gump's box of chocolates
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
And the answer is found right in their FAQ:
“The Early Access version of Baldur’s Gate 3 includes Act 1 of the game which, in one playthrough, is approximately 25 hours of self-contained content. 6 player classes are supported and 9 races/subraces with more to be added later."
They then go on to say that there will be bugs but it should be an experience that "feels complete":
"We’ve worked hard to release an Early Access version that feels complete, fun to play, and has as little stub (unfinished) content as possible. There are bugs and there will be changes to content (often based on player feedback), but our goal is to already now give you something that’s genuinely fun to play.”
Now I haven't played it so I can't say if @jerokane is over reacting or not, but based on the above statements by the company I would expect the full Act 1 of the game, with about 25 hours of content with some bugs but no huge blockers.
I have seen positive reviews and I have seen negative ones. Sadly for me, many of the worst reviews are coming from the multiplayer portion. This was the facet I was looking most forward to as we played through D:OS and D:OS2 that way.
Hopefully by the holiday season they have most of the issues worked out AND we get a sweet Steam sale.
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My take on CF is that it's pretty much complete. Whether it's fun is the question, and so far it hasn't hooked me, but some tweaks here or there might or might not do the trick.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
"Feels complete." Not complete.
So someone playing this, as I read it, an go from the start to end of Act I and feel like they've followed it along "pretty much."
And that's where it ends.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
The amount of whining in this thread is ridiculous. If Larian hasn’t proven to be trustworthy over the years I don’t know who has. Do you people spy on your elderly parents all day too because anybody could be a murderer?
The idea alone that BG3 might not get finished or should cost less then 60 bucks, bunch of whiners. People have been wishing for this game for two decades and that is the reaction, and it is being made by a very well renowned studio to boot.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer