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Sony's PlayStation 5 Launches Today | MMORPG.com
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Sony's PlayStation 5 Launches Today | MMORPG.com
This is it. Today is the day. Sony's PlayStation 5 is releasing today.
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Probably won't be waiting for Black Friday or Holiday 2021, as I don't want to buy any cross-gen games on PS4 and I reallllllly want to play Miles Morales, Spiderman PS4 Remastered, and Gotham Knights.
I know several people that are trying to buy them for Xmas.......
fun fact I can build a stronger pc then a ps5 and it will be a lot cheaper
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Unless you live in Congo or Nigeria ( or alike ), where PC parts are cheap like a candy, you literally can't build a stronger PC than PS5 with the same money, let alone "a lot cheaper"..
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The simple fact of the matter is that AMD is giving Sony (and Microsoft) a huge discount on the semi-custom APUs that power the consoles. Unless you're getting an employee discount or something, they're not giving you that sort of a discount on the hardware.
AMD still makes a modest profit on console chips, and it's profit that is nearly guaranteed whether their hardware that generation is good or not--and when the console contracts were signed, no one knew how competitive AMD would be years later. It's also likely that console games being optimized specifically for AMD GPUs and not for Nvidia gives AMD some benefit in optimization of PC games. So the consoles are still worthwhile for AMD, but you can't buy comparable hardware for a comparable price yourself.
Can you even get a comparable video card for the 399$ of the ps5?
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-5700-xt-rx5700xt-pgd-8go/p/N82E16814930023
Once AMD and Nvidia fill out their lineups for Navi 2X and Ampere, respectively, you'll probably be able to get that tier of performance for about $300. That might be a few months away, though.
Of course, that could plausibly still be before the PS5 is widely available at MSRP. At the moment, AMD is surely providing Sony with however many PS5 chips they're contractually obligated to provide and no more. Right now, AMD has Zen 3 CPUs, Zen 2 CPUs, Zen 2 APUs, Navi GPUs, Navi 2X GPUs, PS5 chips, and Xbox \sum X/S chips all competing for capacity at TSMC. AMD makes a lot more money per wafer off of Zen 3 CPU chiplets than any of the others, with Zen 2 CPU chiplets the only other one that might plausibly even offer AMD half as much profit per wafer.
As such, AMD is surely going to prioritize Zen 3 chiplets as much as they can. And with Zen 3 clearly the best desktop CPUs available, and soon to be clearly the best HEDT and server CPUs available, they're going to need really a lot of Zen 3 chiplets. That's why AMD hasn't bothered to bring Zen 2 APUs to desktops, for example. It's also why supplies of some Navi GPUs are drying up even before Navi 2X launches, and I expect Navi 2X to have a soft launch, as well, regardless of how good or bad the new GPUs are.
The average Joe, not so much.
A PC, not so much. If you're a normal user like I am, your expensive gaming rig is likely to start feeling its age in just 3 years.
No you can't less than $399 is not going to get you anywhere if you pay $1500 or more yes you can have a better PC than the PS5.
You could kind of make those arguments (although they were wrong then too) back in the PS3 days but this is two generations now that Sony and MS have used regular PC parts hugely discounted and even then, sold at a loss to profit from their closed ecosystems.
It's crazy that anyone believes you can build a PC with comparable performance cheaper or as cheap these days.
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(Xbox One had the same weak assed 2.4GHz WiFi when I bought the my console, so it wasn't a better option.)
I'll sit this console generation out...
The cost disparity between a PC and what these consoles are making you "want to have" isn't really that huge.
You can get a Gaming PC with:
Ryzen 7 3700X
Radeon 5700 XT (8GB)
16GB RAM
1TB NVMe SSD
800W Gold+ PSU
etc.
for $1,299 or less.
A 144Hz Gaming Monitor costs like $150'ish, these days, and that GPU will run QHD @ 90Hz or UHD @ 60Hz without issues. You can get 60Hz IPS QHD monitors for ~$160, these days.
How much does a decent UHD HDR Display (not faux-HDR, like those cheap "HDR-400" PC monitors) cost?
On top of that, the Xbox One storage expansion, for example, is $220, almost twice the price of a 1TB NVMe drive (and I still think it's laughable that they ship with so little storage in these consoles).
Of course, if you're just going to play it on a cheap SDR FHD Television, or one of the cheaper UHD TVs from a budget brand... it looks a lot better in terms of economics... but it's not going to look anything like what you see in the marketing material - where they're likely running on 90-120Hz premium brand HDR televisions from vendors like Sony or Samsung (which probably cost more than the entire desktop PC I quoted in some cases) ;-)
Personally, I just hate how locked down consoles are relative to PCs. For example, I could never play ESO on my PS4 again, after playing it on my PC with add-ons. I simply don't consider the console version to be playable. In addition to that, cross-play is still not "standard" and Sony is really a bad vendor to go with if you're expecting this to become common in the games you play. I'd go Xbox One X, instead. This is like buying a Mac and then not being able to play with people playing the same game on PC.
All this does, is make console games more subsceptible to "multi-player dead server syndrome" than PC/Mac games, which decrease the value you gett from those games as a result.
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