Did You Stream Fortnite's Nexus War? Twitch Support Warns all 130K Streamers of DMCA Violation Risk

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• SalmonMan Member UncommonPosts: 192

  December 2020 edited December 2020

  “If you streamed the Fortnite Nexus War event, and you want to be cautious about DMCA risk from the music in that event, consider exporting/downloading and then deleting any related VODs or Clips.”
  
  No point.
  
  Twitch keeps secret copies of all vods anyway, and you can still be DMCA’d off of those.
  
  https://www.ginx.tv/en/twitch/twitch-streamers-report-dmca-strikes-on-deleted-vods-evidence-emerges-that-clips-are-never-deleted

  
• Scot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,429

  December 2020

  When you tailor gaming development, release, hype and content updates to social media "celebrities" what do you expect?

  
• Argost Member UncommonPosts: 30

  December 2020

  The DMCA was passed by a bunch of politicians that had no real clue what they were voting on. Technology is moving at light speed compared to the US congress (And I would love to know how many members of congress could build their own computers, or at least set them up themselves). Walt Disney is partially to blame for getting the public domain laws changed. Look it up.
  
  Then you have government bodies like the Federal Communications Commission that one of the core purposes of said commission was to prevent a handful of people(/corporations) from controlling the majority of the radio stations. Now they act as censors and in the US most radio stations are owned by one of three corporations.
  
  I used to be a huge Metallica fan. Then the days of napster happened. Lars Ulrich got over 300k fans banned from the service because he chose greed over the new reality (https://ultimateclassicrock.com/metallica-napster-lawsuit/)
  
  Short version is the DMCA was outdated before it was made into law. Once anything is on the net it is there forever. Stars and corporations need to quit alienating the very people that built them up in the first place, and showing that they deserve what their fans and customers have given them.
  

  
• JeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098

  December 2020 edited December 2020

  
  

  Argost said:

  
  

  The DMCA was passed by a bunch of politicians that had no real clue what they were voting on. Technology is moving at light speed compared to the US congress (And I would love to know how many members of congress could build their own computers, or at least set them up themselves). Walt Disney is partially to blame for getting the public domain laws changed. Look it up.
  
  
  
  Then you have government bodies like the Federal Communications Commission that one of the core purposes of said commission was to prevent a handful of people(/corporations) from controlling the majority of the radio stations. Now they act as censors and in the US most radio stations are owned by one of three corporations.
  
  
  
  I used to be a huge Metallica fan. Then the days of napster happened. Lars Ulrich got over 300k fans banned from the service because he chose greed over the new reality (https://ultimateclassicrock.com/metallica-napster-lawsuit/)
  
  
  
  Short version is the DMCA was outdated before it was made into law. Once anything is on the net it is there forever. Stars and corporations need to quit alienating the very people that built them up in the first place, and showing that they deserve what their fans and customers have given them.
  
  

  
  

  
  
  And the record labels are saints? Just look what is happening on YouTube.
  
  Record labels have created entire divisions with hundreds of people in employment, with their sole job being searching and watching YouTube videos all day using music they can copyright strike and demonetize, so they get the income themselves.
  
  This has turned into a new multibillion dollar industry for record labels.
  
  In the end they are just shooting themselves in the foot and alienating their own artists, as the big youtubers are just switching to third party music services with royalty free music.
  Not understanding that the new generation is watching YouTube and Twitch and not listening to radio.
  
  I just see it with my own son. He plays games, watches YouTube videos of said games and when he hears music he likes, he tries to find it on Spotify.
  

  
• MikeJezZ Member UncommonPosts: 1,268

  December 2020

  
  

  JeroKane said:

  
  

  
  
  

  Argost said:

  
  
  

  The DMCA was passed by a bunch of politicians that had no real clue what they were voting on. Technology is moving at light speed compared to the US congress (And I would love to know how many members of congress could build their own computers, or at least set them up themselves). Walt Disney is partially to blame for getting the public domain laws changed. Look it up.
  
  
  
  
  
  Then you have government bodies like the Federal Communications Commission that one of the core purposes of said commission was to prevent a handful of people(/corporations) from controlling the majority of the radio stations. Now they act as censors and in the US most radio stations are owned by one of three corporations.
  
  
  
  
  
  I used to be a huge Metallica fan. Then the days of napster happened. Lars Ulrich got over 300k fans banned from the service because he chose greed over the new reality (https://ultimateclassicrock.com/metallica-napster-lawsuit/)
  
  
  
  
  
  Short version is the DMCA was outdated before it was made into law. Once anything is on the net it is there forever. Stars and corporations need to quit alienating the very people that built them up in the first place, and showing that they deserve what their fans and customers have given them.
  
  
  

  
  
  

  
  
  
  
  And the record labels are saints? Just look what is happening on YouTube.
  
  
  
  Record labels have created entire divisions with hundreds of people in employment, with their sole job being searching and watching YouTube videos all day using music they can copyright strike and demonetize, so they get the income themselves.
  
  
  
  This has turned into a new multibillion dollar industry for record labels.
  
  
  
  In the end they are just shooting themselves in the foot and alienating their own artists, as the big youtubers are just switching to third party music services with royalty free music.
  
  Not understanding that the new generation is watching YouTube and Twitch and not listening to radio.
  
  
  
  I just see it with my own son. He plays games, watches YouTube videos of said games and when he hears music he likes, he tries to find it on Spotify.
  
  

  
  

  
  
  As a musician, this is simply not true. If you are a member of a company that puts music up on music services, the YouTube algorithm automatically does this for you. I know, because being a member of a indie company my own movies gets copyright strikes before they barely gets up. Even private hidden videos.

  
• Asm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618

  December 2020 edited December 2020

  
  

  JeroKane said:

  
  

  
  
  

  Argost said:

  
  
  

  The DMCA was passed by a bunch of politicians that had no real clue what they were voting on. Technology is moving at light speed compared to the US congress (And I would love to know how many members of congress could build their own computers, or at least set them up themselves). Walt Disney is partially to blame for getting the public domain laws changed. Look it up.
  
  
  
  
  
  Then you have government bodies like the Federal Communications Commission that one of the core purposes of said commission was to prevent a handful of people(/corporations) from controlling the majority of the radio stations. Now they act as censors and in the US most radio stations are owned by one of three corporations.
  
  
  
  
  
  I used to be a huge Metallica fan. Then the days of napster happened. Lars Ulrich got over 300k fans banned from the service because he chose greed over the new reality (https://ultimateclassicrock.com/metallica-napster-lawsuit/)
  
  
  
  
  
  Short version is the DMCA was outdated before it was made into law. Once anything is on the net it is there forever. Stars and corporations need to quit alienating the very people that built them up in the first place, and showing that they deserve what their fans and customers have given them.
  
  
  

  
  
  

  
  
  
  
  And the record labels are saints? Just look what is happening on YouTube.
  
  
  
  Record labels have created entire divisions with hundreds of people in employment, with their sole job being searching and watching YouTube videos all day using music they can copyright strike and demonetize, so they get the income themselves.
  
  
  
  This has turned into a new multibillion dollar industry for record labels.
  
  
  
  In the end they are just shooting themselves in the foot and alienating their own artists, as the big youtubers are just switching to third party music services with royalty free music.
  
  Not understanding that the new generation is watching YouTube and Twitch and not listening to radio.
  
  
  
  I just see it with my own son. He plays games, watches YouTube videos of said games and when he hears music he likes, he tries to find it on Spotify.
  
  

  
  

  
  Ofc they are not better but Argost point is that they wouldn't have a leg to stand on if not for what he posted about. All this copyright and DMCA BS has gone far too overboard. It's going to get far worse before it gets better I think too. Streaming on twitch and youtube is going to end up going down the drain I think due to all this shite.
  
  

  

  Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.

  
  
  
  
  
• JeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098

  December 2020 edited December 2020

  
  

  MikeJezZ said:

  
  

  
  
  

  JeroKane said:

  
  
  

  
  
  
  

  Argost said:

  
  
  
  

  The DMCA was passed by a bunch of politicians that had no real clue what they were voting on. Technology is moving at light speed compared to the US congress (And I would love to know how many members of congress could build their own computers, or at least set them up themselves). Walt Disney is partially to blame for getting the public domain laws changed. Look it up.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Then you have government bodies like the Federal Communications Commission that one of the core purposes of said commission was to prevent a handful of people(/corporations) from controlling the majority of the radio stations. Now they act as censors and in the US most radio stations are owned by one of three corporations.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  I used to be a huge Metallica fan. Then the days of napster happened. Lars Ulrich got over 300k fans banned from the service because he chose greed over the new reality (https://ultimateclassicrock.com/metallica-napster-lawsuit/)
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Short version is the DMCA was outdated before it was made into law. Once anything is on the net it is there forever. Stars and corporations need to quit alienating the very people that built them up in the first place, and showing that they deserve what their fans and customers have given them.
  
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  
  And the record labels are saints? Just look what is happening on YouTube.
  
  
  
  
  
  Record labels have created entire divisions with hundreds of people in employment, with their sole job being searching and watching YouTube videos all day using music they can copyright strike and demonetize, so they get the income themselves.
  
  
  
  
  
  This has turned into a new multibillion dollar industry for record labels.
  
  
  
  
  
  In the end they are just shooting themselves in the foot and alienating their own artists, as the big youtubers are just switching to third party music services with royalty free music.
  
  
  Not understanding that the new generation is watching YouTube and Twitch and not listening to radio.
  
  
  
  
  
  I just see it with my own son. He plays games, watches YouTube videos of said games and when he hears music he likes, he tries to find it on Spotify.
  
  
  

  
  
  

  
  
  
  
  As a musician, this is simply not true. If you are a member of a company that puts music up on music services, the YouTube algorithm automatically does this for you. I know, because being a member of a indie company my own movies gets copyright strikes before they barely gets up. Even private hidden videos.

  
  

  
  
  It is, major youtubers like Rick Beato have made very detailed videos about it, like this one:
  
  
  
  It's one thing if you outright play a copyrighted song and try to monitize it without paying royalties or bought permission to play it.
  It's an entirely different thing, when streamers just stream games unaware of copyright protected music in said games and/or in Rick Beato's examples, that you can't even create music teaching videos, where you play a couple chords to teach people how to play it and get demotized for it, because those couple chords happen to be used in a famous song.
  It's like being a music teacher and not able to teach your students how to play by playing examples, as he/she would have to give away their income to the record label in question!
  That is just beyond ridiculous and totally retarded that they try to copyright chords and chord sequences, but that's what the whole music industry has devolved into.
  They can't make billions out of record sales anymore, since everyone is streaming these days, so they just try to ripp off people via other avenues to keep that cash flowing in. In this case Youtube and Twitch are cowards and try to stay out of it and throw it on the content creators, who don't stand a chance against these Record label giants.
  
  They don't stand a chance to fight this, as when you get 3 copyright strikes (unfair or not), you channel gets taken down!