I'm curious, what did MMORPG's review of Mass Effect Andromeda get? I highly doubt it was a 9/10 and that had less issues than this game.
But it didn’t have less issues. Neither did the last few Fallout and Elder Scroll games actually to name a couple of other high profile games. The difference is that CP2077 has ten times the production values of those games so the disconnect feels bigger.
The real issue is the hype versus reality (aka, don’t be gullible, as with every game) and the fact that CDPR created the Witcher 3 which set mighty high standards (and was also very buggy at launch but lets just conveniently forget that). Besides that, CDPR has long been a gamers favorite studio and if there is one thing the masses love it is to tear down idols from their pedestals. All of this about the PC version btw, there is no excuse for their console release.
Even with all that said. its all just opinion. Some rate the game high, some rate it low. It goes south quickly once people start thinking their opinion holds more weight then others’ because of “reasons.” The internet is full of opinions that match our own, its mighty easy to create your own echo chamber to confirm your opinion is the right one.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Was Witcher 3 buggy at launch yes - but nowhere near the extent Cyberpunk.
We are talking order of magnitude here. Let's not equate the sheer number of Cyberpunk problems as equal to W3 - because that's not even remotely true.
This is not just opinion as you like to put it - its quantifiable via scores and reviews from both critics and users.
Witcher 3 is simply a better game, it was more polished at launch and had way better overall gameplay and satisfaction rating from both critics and players.
That was an actual 9/10 game and was rated as such by players and critics.
Cyberpunk- well 350K reviews and 28k metacritic reviews speak loud and clear - 7/10
These are quantifiable data points and not just opinions
Cyberpunk is a 7/10 game, Witcher 3 - 9/10 game.
Dismissing this as an echo-chamber opinion is way off base.
Metacritic average review score Witcher 3 PC version: 9.3
Metacritic average review score Cyberpunk 2077 PC version: 8.6
Going by user score is useless because they get distorted over time. Witcher 3 user review scores also include swaths of “after patches” high scores, Cyberpunk doesn’t yet. If you want an honest comparison you need to take a snapshot of both at the same point in time, launch in this case.
So no, you are wrong. They also redid the entire Witcher 3 UI and all of Geralts movement after launch to fix it, small bugs indeed. I won’t even go into performance improvement, horses on roofs etc. You know, the stuff that drives you mad in CP2077...
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Not all the critic reviews are in yet for Cyberpunk - that 8.6 will go down to 7.x range - after all the critic reviews are in.
Also user reviews are useless? What?
They are more important than those absolute bullshit 10/10 reviews every game gets on day 1 release.
You know what you get when you remove the paid day 1 10/10 reviews for Witcher 3?
You still get a 9.
Do you know what you get when you remove 10/10 critic reviews for Cyberpunk?
You get an 80.90323 - so 81/100 with 13 critic reviews still pending
Guess what is going to happen- gonna drop to 7x/100
What will you say then... let me guess critic reviews are useless?
Now you can look into the future too. AND 10/10 reviews are paid for? I see no reason to remove 10/10 reviews at all, what kind of arbitrary BS is that?
And I have explained very well why user reviews that don’t match the exact same point in time are useless, not user reviews in general. But since you can’t determine that point in time anymore you can only take the official reviews. I think you understand this pretty well, you just don’t want to. Petty.
To be absolutely clear, I think you rating the game a 7 is perfectly valid. I just find your discrediting of other opinions ridiculous and your reasoning extremely biased and faulty.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I'm curious, what did MMORPG's review of Mass Effect Andromeda get? I highly doubt it was a 9/10 and that had less issues than this game.
But it didn’t have less issues. Neither did the last few Fallout and Elder Scroll games actually to name a couple of other high profile games. The difference is that CP2077 has ten times the production values of those games so the disconnect feels bigger.
The real issue is the hype versus reality (aka, don’t be gullible, as with every game) and the fact that CDPR created the Witcher 3 which set mighty high standards (and was also very buggy at launch but lets just conveniently forget that). Besides that, CDPR has long been a gamers favorite studio and if there is one thing the masses love it is to tear down idols from their pedestals. All of this about the PC version btw, there is no excuse for their console release.
Even with all that said. its all just opinion. Some rate the game high, some rate it low. It goes south quickly once people start thinking their opinion holds more weight then others’ because of “reasons.” The internet is full of opinions that match our own, its mighty easy to create your own echo chamber to confirm your opinion is the right one.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Was Witcher 3 buggy at launch yes - but nowhere near the extent Cyberpunk.
We are talking order of magnitude here. Let's not equate the sheer number of Cyberpunk problems as equal to W3 - because that's not even remotely true.
This is not just opinion as you like to put it - its quantifiable via scores and reviews from both critics and users.
Witcher 3 is simply a better game, it was more polished at launch and had way better overall gameplay and satisfaction rating from both critics and players.
That was an actual 9/10 game and was rated as such by players and critics.
Cyberpunk- well 350K reviews and 28k metacritic reviews speak loud and clear - 7/10
These are quantifiable data points and not just opinions
Cyberpunk is a 7/10 game, Witcher 3 - 9/10 game.
Dismissing this as an echo-chamber opinion is way off base.
Metacritic average review score Witcher 3 PC version: 9.3
Metacritic average review score Cyberpunk 2077 PC version: 8.6
Going by user score is useless because they get distorted over time. Witcher 3 user review scores also include swaths of “after patches” high scores, Cyberpunk doesn’t yet. If you want an honest comparison you need to take a snapshot of both at the same point in time, launch in this case.
So no, you are wrong. They also redid the entire Witcher 3 UI and all of Geralts movement after launch to fix it, small bugs indeed. I won’t even go into performance improvement, horses on roofs etc. You know, the stuff that drives you mad in CP2077...
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Not all the critic reviews are in yet for Cyberpunk - that 8.6 will go down to 7.x range - after all the critic reviews are in.
Also user reviews are useless? What?
They are more important than those absolute bullshit 10/10 reviews every game gets on day 1 release.
You know what you get when you remove the paid day 1 10/10 reviews for Witcher 3?
You still get a 9.
Do you know what you get when you remove 10/10 critic reviews for Cyberpunk?
You get an 80.90323 - so 81/100 with 13 critic reviews still pending
Guess what is going to happen- gonna drop to 7x/100
What will you say then... let me guess critic reviews are useless?
Now you can look into the future too. AND 10/10 reviews are paid for? I see no reason to remove 10/10 reviews at all, what kind of arbitrary BS is that?
And I have explained very well why user reviews that don’t match the exact same point in time are useless, not user reviews in general. But since you can’t determine that point in time anymore you can only take the official reviews. I think you understand this pretty well, you just don’t want to. Petty.
To be absolutely clear, I think you rating the game a 7 is perfectly valid. I just find your discrediting of other opinions ridiculous and your reasoning extremely biased and faulty.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I find a review that points out major flaws like useless crafting etc.. to reflect that in the final score.
When core features are useless, when the reviewer mistakenly calls the game RPG - and while acknowledging that the game is lacking in many ways still gives it a 9?
The mmorpg review is completely out if integrity
To bring it in integrity one of the following needs to be done:
1. Edit the review and remove the criticism so that reciew matches a 9/10
2. Keep the review text as is but lower the score
I am fine with either of the 1 or 2
Why isn’t the game an RPG? I find that statement rather curious tbh.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I find a review that points out major flaws like useless crafting etc.. to reflect that in the final score.
When core features are useless, when the reviewer mistakenly calls the game RPG - and while acknowledging that the game is lacking in many ways still gives it a 9?
The mmorpg review is completely out if integrity
To bring it in integrity one of the following needs to be done:
1. Edit the review and remove the criticism so that reciew matches a 9/10
2. Keep the review text as is but lower the score
I am fine with either of the 1 or 2
Why isn’t the game an RPG? I find that statement rather curious tbh.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Should not argue with people that can not even understand how to read a review and know what it is. That is the first thing...
The second is, do not try to hold a real conversation with people that are on a crusade for whatever whacky reason it tickles their fancy to be on one.
Not a normal gamer that puts in 50 or more hours in a game claiming to be hunting bugs and reasons to cast their hate around at anyone that does not agree with them.
Who really plays a game to find faults? that is way passed anything considered normal, that is has become kind of funny in looking at a accident happening way.
Does no one remember all the drama with the i am gonna get a refund and how good GOG's refund was and such?
Even way back then it was seriously creepy for the deranged crusade...and it has not gotten any better.
Really think of how many hours has been spent talking,researching,playing, and crusading against this game by people. Sounds like a 9/10 to me even for the one hating on the game the most...right?
I'm curious, what did MMORPG's review of Mass Effect Andromeda get? I highly doubt it was a 9/10 and that had less issues than this game.
But it didn’t have less issues. Neither did the last few Fallout and Elder Scroll games actually to name a couple of other high profile games. The difference is that CP2077 has ten times the production values of those games so the disconnect feels bigger.
The real issue is the hype versus reality (aka, don’t be gullible, as with every game) and the fact that CDPR created the Witcher 3 which set mighty high standards (and was also very buggy at launch but lets just conveniently forget that). Besides that, CDPR has long been a gamers favorite studio and if there is one thing the masses love it is to tear down idols from their pedestals. All of this about the PC version btw, there is no excuse for their console release.
Even with all that said. its all just opinion. Some rate the game high, some rate it low. It goes south quickly once people start thinking their opinion holds more weight then others’ because of “reasons.” The internet is full of opinions that match our own, its mighty easy to create your own echo chamber to confirm your opinion is the right one.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Was Witcher 3 buggy at launch yes - but nowhere near the extent Cyberpunk.
We are talking order of magnitude here. Let's not equate the sheer number of Cyberpunk problems as equal to W3 - because that's not even remotely true.
This is not just opinion as you like to put it - its quantifiable via scores and reviews from both critics and users.
Witcher 3 is simply a better game, it was more polished at launch and had way better overall gameplay and satisfaction rating from both critics and players.
That was an actual 9/10 game and was rated as such by players and critics.
Cyberpunk- well 350K reviews and 28k metacritic reviews speak loud and clear - 7/10
These are quantifiable data points and not just opinions
Cyberpunk is a 7/10 game, Witcher 3 - 9/10 game.
Dismissing this as an echo-chamber opinion is way off base.
Metacritic average review score Witcher 3 PC version: 9.3
Metacritic average review score Cyberpunk 2077 PC version: 8.6
Going by user score is useless because they get distorted over time. Witcher 3 user review scores also include swaths of “after patches” high scores, Cyberpunk doesn’t yet. If you want an honest comparison you need to take a snapshot of both at the same point in time, launch in this case.
So no, you are wrong. They also redid the entire Witcher 3 UI and all of Geralts movement after launch to fix it, small bugs indeed. I won’t even go into performance improvement, horses on roofs etc. You know, the stuff that drives you mad in CP2077...
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Not all the critic reviews are in yet for Cyberpunk - that 8.6 will go down to 7.x range - after all the critic reviews are in.
Also user reviews are useless? What?
They are more important than those absolute bullshit 10/10 reviews every game gets on day 1 release.
You know what you get when you remove the paid day 1 10/10 reviews for Witcher 3?
You still get a 9.
Do you know what you get when you remove 10/10 critic reviews for Cyberpunk?
You get an 80.90323 - so 81/100 with 13 critic reviews still pending
Guess what is going to happen- gonna drop to 7x/100
What will you say then... let me guess critic reviews are useless?
Lets be fair.
What do you get when you remove the 2/10 or 1/10 or 0/10 reviews from people that just want to hate on it? There's roughly 300 0/10 user ratings. That's not a fair assessment of the game.
Like this 0/10 PC user review on metacritic
"This game is absolute trash and a waste of money. do yourself a favor and dont buy this piece of ****"
Or this one in the pc reviews
"bought this game for ps4, but can't play with such a blur. It's like a fraud when someone tries to sell you something that doesn't work"
You said yourself this game is a 7/10, that's far from a 0/10. More so than a 10/10 or even a 9/10. I would think you would be more up in arms about those reviews, since there farther off your assessment than any 9/10 review.
In my opinion the ratings are skewed down, not up.
I'm curious, what did MMORPG's review of Mass Effect Andromeda get? I highly doubt it was a 9/10 and that had less issues than this game.
But it didn’t have less issues. Neither did the last few Fallout and Elder Scroll games actually to name a couple of other high profile games. The difference is that CP2077 has ten times the production values of those games so the disconnect feels bigger.
The real issue is the hype versus reality (aka, don’t be gullible, as with every game) and the fact that CDPR created the Witcher 3 which set mighty high standards (and was also very buggy at launch but lets just conveniently forget that). Besides that, CDPR has long been a gamers favorite studio and if there is one thing the masses love it is to tear down idols from their pedestals. All of this about the PC version btw, there is no excuse for their console release.
Even with all that said. its all just opinion. Some rate the game high, some rate it low. It goes south quickly once people start thinking their opinion holds more weight then others’ because of “reasons.” The internet is full of opinions that match our own, its mighty easy to create your own echo chamber to confirm your opinion is the right one.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Was Witcher 3 buggy at launch yes - but nowhere near the extent Cyberpunk.
We are talking order of magnitude here. Let's not equate the sheer number of Cyberpunk problems as equal to W3 - because that's not even remotely true.
This is not just opinion as you like to put it - its quantifiable via scores and reviews from both critics and users.
Witcher 3 is simply a better game, it was more polished at launch and had way better overall gameplay and satisfaction rating from both critics and players.
That was an actual 9/10 game and was rated as such by players and critics.
Cyberpunk- well 350K reviews and 28k metacritic reviews speak loud and clear - 7/10
These are quantifiable data points and not just opinions
Cyberpunk is a 7/10 game, Witcher 3 - 9/10 game.
Dismissing this as an echo-chamber opinion is way off base.
Metacritic average review score Witcher 3 PC version: 9.3
Metacritic average review score Cyberpunk 2077 PC version: 8.6
Going by user score is useless because they get distorted over time. Witcher 3 user review scores also include swaths of “after patches” high scores, Cyberpunk doesn’t yet. If you want an honest comparison you need to take a snapshot of both at the same point in time, launch in this case.
So no, you are wrong. They also redid the entire Witcher 3 UI and all of Geralts movement after launch to fix it, small bugs indeed. I won’t even go into performance improvement, horses on roofs etc. You know, the stuff that drives you mad in CP2077...
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Not all the critic reviews are in yet for Cyberpunk - that 8.6 will go down to 7.x range - after all the critic reviews are in.
Also user reviews are useless? What?
They are more important than those absolute bullshit 10/10 reviews every game gets on day 1 release.
You know what you get when you remove the paid day 1 10/10 reviews for Witcher 3?
You still get a 9.
Do you know what you get when you remove 10/10 critic reviews for Cyberpunk?
You get an 80.90323 - so 81/100 with 13 critic reviews still pending
Guess what is going to happen- gonna drop to 7x/100
What will you say then... let me guess critic reviews are useless?
Now you can look into the future too. AND 10/10 reviews are paid for? I see no reason to remove 10/10 reviews at all, what kind of arbitrary BS is that?
And I have explained very well why user reviews that don’t match the exact same point in time are useless, not user reviews in general. But since you can’t determine that point in time anymore you can only take the official reviews. I think you understand this pretty well, you just don’t want to. Petty.
To be absolutely clear, I think you rating the game a 7 is perfectly valid. I just find your discrediting of other opinions ridiculous and your reasoning extremely biased and faulty.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I find a review that points out major flaws like useless crafting etc.. to reflect that in the final score.
When core features are useless, when the reviewer mistakenly calls the game RPG - and while acknowledging that the game is lacking in many ways still gives it a 9?
The mmorpg review is completely out if integrity
To bring it in integrity one of the following needs to be done:
1. Edit the review and remove the criticism so that reciew matches a 9/10
2. Keep the review text as is but lower the score
I am fine with either of the 1 or 2
Why isn’t the game an RPG? I find that statement rather curious tbh.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Because CDPR decided to change it from open world RPG to open world action-adventure story game.
Why?
Probably because the RPG elements in Cyberpunk 2077 are light and not the focus of the game - but the story (main quest and side quests with main characters - panam,Judy etc...) are what the game is really built around.
And that is 100% accurate - if you focus on the story and main characters- its is solid action-adventure story driven game.
If you try to focus on skill trees, gear and character progression which are the staples of RPGs - the game is just lacking in a huge way.
So instead of making all the RPG elements top notch CDPR simply decided to focus on the story and rebrand the game away from RPG to action adventure story.
I think they did the right thing - because as an RPG Cyberpunk is very weak
If you can find the Twitter and other official CDPR pages about Cyberpunk prior to 2019 you will see them describing it as open world RPG, but then all of that got removed and changed to action adventure story.
The wiki page still shows the old rpg description
Ok. So it is also safe to say that the Witcher games, Deus Ex games and just about every JRPG ever also aren’t RPGs? Just asking for a friend
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
It almost definitely is. MMORPG.com started this crap several years ago, and it's why I stopped bothering. I came back because this popped up on a news feed on reddit (everyone was laughing at the score) and sure enough... they're still shilling.
81 critics rate it an average of 8.6 and 67% of all player reviews rate it an 8.0 or higher. All of them shilling of course. The mmorpg.com review is pretty much in line with the general consensus and doesn’t stand out at all.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
just one thing... you say crafting is useless... you must not have tried upgrading or crafting legendary iconics yet... just go youtube any high dmg weapon 100k 500k 1mil dmg build all use crafting with specific perks and crafted mods to get maxium damage. crafting i found to be veey useful not only give me best armor and weapon but also make a lot of $. 20 in tech all the way for me.
Keep in mind that most media sites with reviews start from a 7 as a medium score rather than 5. This has been something that's just kinda been done to appease publishers for a few decades for almost all medium scored on a 10 point scale. It could be worse. The Metacritic user reviewers can't seem to rate anything a score other than 0 or 10.
No, it's your idea. And you lose more credibility every time you say it. CDPR changing the descriptor for the game on their site does not change the fact that it's an RPG. Anyone that has played it knows this and your strange fetish where you try and change facts to help support your narrative doesn't change that.
Ok. So it is also safe to say that the Witcher games, Deus Ex games and just about every JRPG ever also aren’t RPGs? Just asking for a friend
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Please don't play the stupid route, it doesn't suit you at all.
- do you remember the old Cyberpunk videos that showed character creation that involved birth place city, favorite childhood hero, and other detailed character details that would influence how others responded?
Here watch this video
All of that was scrapped once they refocused the game away from a RPG
This was before lifepaths (which are very superficial), this is when they were building factions and were describing the game as open world RPG, that was faction based.
Obviously Cyberpunk today has none of these RPG elements to the extent that they originally planned so the entire RPG aspect has been diminished in a huge way and story + action adventure has been made the focus.
Again don't listen to me - listen to CDPR- they are the ones that stopped referring to their own game as open world RPG and changed it to story driven action adventure.
Obviously there are some RPG elements left in the game, but not enough for CDPR to call it an open world RPG anymore.
Again if you have an issue with this- go bug CDPR, don't pull this BS if Cyberpunk 2077 isn't an RPG than nothing is - i didn't change the description CDPR did
This isn’t about me playing stupid, it is about the silly things you say. And since when all of sudden did you start trusting what CDPR says anyways?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I'm curious, what did MMORPG's review of Mass Effect Andromeda get? I highly doubt it was a 9/10 and that had less issues than this game.
But it didn’t have less issues. Neither did the last few Fallout and Elder Scroll games actually to name a couple of other high profile games. The difference is that CP2077 has ten times the production values of those games so the disconnect feels bigger.
The real issue is the hype versus reality (aka, don’t be gullible, as with every game) and the fact that CDPR created the Witcher 3 which set mighty high standards (and was also very buggy at launch but lets just conveniently forget that). Besides that, CDPR has long been a gamers favorite studio and if there is one thing the masses love it is to tear down idols from their pedestals. All of this about the PC version btw, there is no excuse for their console release.
Even with all that said. its all just opinion. Some rate the game high, some rate it low. It goes south quickly once people start thinking their opinion holds more weight then others’ because of “reasons.” The internet is full of opinions that match our own, its mighty easy to create your own echo chamber to confirm your opinion is the right one.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Was Witcher 3 buggy at launch yes - but nowhere near the extent Cyberpunk.
We are talking order of magnitude here. Let's not equate the sheer number of Cyberpunk problems as equal to W3 - because that's not even remotely true.
This is not just opinion as you like to put it - its quantifiable via scores and reviews from both critics and users.
Witcher 3 is simply a better game, it was more polished at launch and had way better overall gameplay and satisfaction rating from both critics and players.
That was an actual 9/10 game and was rated as such by players and critics.
Cyberpunk- well 350K reviews and 28k metacritic reviews speak loud and clear - 7/10
These are quantifiable data points and not just opinions
Cyberpunk is a 7/10 game, Witcher 3 - 9/10 game.
Dismissing this as an echo-chamber opinion is way off base.
Metacritic average review score Witcher 3 PC version: 9.3
Metacritic average review score Cyberpunk 2077 PC version: 8.6
Going by user score is useless because they get distorted over time. Witcher 3 user review scores also include swaths of “after patches” high scores, Cyberpunk doesn’t yet. If you want an honest comparison you need to take a snapshot of both at the same point in time, launch in this case.
So no, you are wrong. They also redid the entire Witcher 3 UI and all of Geralts movement after launch to fix it, small bugs indeed. I won’t even go into performance improvement, horses on roofs etc. You know, the stuff that drives you mad in CP2077...
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Not all the critic reviews are in yet for Cyberpunk - that 8.6 will go down to 7.x range - after all the critic reviews are in.
Also user reviews are useless? What?
They are more important than those absolute bullshit 10/10 reviews every game gets on day 1 release.
You know what you get when you remove the paid day 1 10/10 reviews for Witcher 3?
You still get a 9.
Do you know what you get when you remove 10/10 critic reviews for Cyberpunk?
You get an 80.90323 - so 81/100 with 13 critic reviews still pending
Guess what is going to happen- gonna drop to 7x/100
What will you say then... let me guess critic reviews are useless?
Are paid reviews only 10s or are 9s included? What is Witcher 3 with the paid 9 reviews removed? Or is this the only review with a 9 that was paid? And why would developers/publishers pay for 10/10 reviews if they are just discarded by the masses anyway? Wouldn't it be smarter to pay for 9s, or 8.5 even? Those scores are still high enough to get people to play but aren't high enough to warrant the shill rating.
Also, do you really think that any reviews that aren't already done are going to substantially lower the average? Even with taking the poor crafting, suspect AI, driving (I actually like it), and all the other things that will take a while to fix, CDPR is already improving performance and squashing bugs with each patch. Wouldn't that mean the longer reviewers wait the better experience they will have, thereby giving higher scores? Not to mention that it will give them the time needed to finally negotiate the exact payment it will take for them to cave and give the game a 10.
And that whole payment thing brings me back to one of your points earlier (too many posts to get an exact quote so just gonna paraphrase, and if it wasn't you that actually said it I apologize but the odds are it was you just by the number of posts you have in this thread), you have accused the site of giving a good score to the game to drive ad revenue. I would think that YOU have actually driven more ad revenue with the many, many visits to the forums and your exorbitant amount of posts. Each post not only generates revenue from you visiting the review page, it also causes people like myself to once again revisit the forums, each trip helping to keep the trickle of ad revenue alive? Are you sure you aren't the shill?
just one thing... you say crafting is useless... you must not have tried upgrading or crafting legendary iconics yet... just go youtube any high dmg weapon 100k 500k 1mil dmg build all use crafting with specific perks and crafted mods to get maxium damage. crafting i found to be veey useful not only give me best armor and weapon but also make a lot of $. 20 in tech all the way for me.
Most people are just looting legendaries by doing this trick and skipping crafting entirely.
So its not that crafting is useless- its unnecessary as if you focus on leveling up to 50 (lots of xp farm methods to get to lvl 50 fast) - then you will loot lvl 50 legendaries if you follow the video above.
This makes crafting completely unnecessary.
Making money is the most broken thing in the game- go buy sodas from any soda machine for $10, break them down into components that sell for $24. You can litteraly run around at lvl 1 going to all the soda machines (save and reload when they running out) and become a millionaire before even killing a single thing.
The economy is full of items like this - obviously they did zero testing for this before they launched the game.
Not even going to go into ridiculous dupe methods that can make you millions in minutes.
The economy in game is broken
Also spilling up has so many ways to exploit due to untested stuff- like skilling up quick hacking to 20 in 8 minutes, crafting to 20 in one click lol
But it's a single player game. To me that kind of sounds like cheating at solitaire...
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But it's a single player game. To me that kind of sounds like cheating at solitaire...
I agree- however the bigger point is that CDPR released the game riddled with glitches and built in exploits.
There are zero 3rd party tools used here - all of this is done just by playing the game without any add-ons - you can dupe items, get millions of currency, you can skill up super fast- run faster than any car in game, the number of in-game exploits is downright crazy high.
I mean isn't that strange for a 9/10 game?
Normally 9/10 indicates a highly polished game.
But to me... an exploit in a single player game is meaningless. Great... they duped and made missions of currency, exploited a skill gain issue and became superhuman and "won" the game. That has ZERO effect on anyone else playing, and if the people doing it had fun... great.. and if they didn't and later complained about it then they are just dumbasses IMHO. The bugs that affected legit gameplay are the things that should have been fixed and focused on. Not some dupe that breaks an imaginary economy in a single player game.
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I will say one thing though that they did an awesome job at. I was afraid when they dropped 3rd person gameplay that I wasn't going to be able to play it because I get really bad motion sickness. There is alot of games I wish I could spend more time in w/o being affected by it, like Dying Light, Doom and far Cry 5.
I will say one thing though that they did an awesome job at. I was afraid when they dropped 3rd person gameplay that I wasn't going to be able to play it because I get really bad motion sickness. There is alot of games I wish I could spend more time in w/o being affected by it, like Dying Light, Doom and far Cry 5.
Its not even an issue for me here at all. KUDOS
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But it's a single player game. To me that kind of sounds like cheating at solitaire...
I agree- however the bigger point is that CDPR released the game riddled with glitches and built in exploits.
There are zero 3rd party tools used here - all of this is done just by playing the game without any add-ons - you can dupe items, get millions of currency, you can skill up super fast- run faster than any car in game, the number of in-game exploits is downright crazy high.
I mean isn't that strange for a 9/10 game?
Normally 9/10 indicates a highly polished game.
But to me... an exploit in a single player game is meaningless. Great... they duped and made missions of currency, exploited a skill gain issue and became superhuman and "won" the game. That has ZERO effect on anyone else playing, and if the people doing it had fun... great.. and if they didn't and later complained about it then they are just dumbasses IMHO. The bugs that affected legit gameplay are the things that should have been fixed and focused on. Not some dupe that breaks an imaginary economy in a single player game.
That is all fine - but do you think that this is something that is normal for a 9/10 game?
After 11 months of testing nobody realized that buying a $10 soda from a vending machine breaks down into $24 worth of components you can sell??
Soda machines are litteraly one of the first things you see in game.
The point is not about single player virtual economy not affecting anyone- the point is a how a AAA $330 million dollar most anticipated game of the decade managed to miss so many things after alleged 11 months of polish and testing
As I inferred earlier. I guess they figured that if some dumbass wanted to spend hours exploiting a $10 item into $24 components who cares?
Sorry, but a bug that makes my progression stop is game breaking. An oversight that lets me make $14 profit by buying and deconstructing an item... pretty far down my list of importance. Same with any dupe exploits. If someone wants to cheat or abuse a mechanic to win their single player game... I literally could not care less.
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But it's a single player game. To me that kind of sounds like cheating at solitaire...
I agree- however the bigger point is that CDPR released the game riddled with glitches and built in exploits.
There are zero 3rd party tools used here - all of this is done just by playing the game without any add-ons - you can dupe items, get millions of currency, you can skill up super fast- run faster than any car in game, the number of in-game exploits is downright crazy high.
I mean isn't that strange for a 9/10 game?
Normally 9/10 indicates a highly polished game.
But to me... an exploit in a single player game is meaningless. Great... they duped and made missions of currency, exploited a skill gain issue and became superhuman and "won" the game. That has ZERO effect on anyone else playing, and if the people doing it had fun... great.. and if they didn't and later complained about it then they are just dumbasses IMHO. The bugs that affected legit gameplay are the things that should have been fixed and focused on. Not some dupe that breaks an imaginary economy in a single player game.
That is all fine - but do you think that this is something that is normal for a 9/10 game?
After 11 months of testing nobody realized that buying a $10 soda from a vending machine breaks down into $24 worth of components you can sell??
Soda machines are litteraly one of the first things you see in game.
The point is not about single player virtual economy not affecting anyone- the point is a how a AAA $330 million dollar most anticipated game of the decade managed to miss so many things after alleged 11 months of polish and testing
As I inferred earlier. I guess they figured that if some dumbass wanted to spend hours exploiting a $10 item into $24 components who cares?
Sorry, but a bug that makes my progression stop is game breaking. An oversight that lets me make $14 profit by buying and deconstructing an item... pretty far down my list of importance. Same with any dupe exploits. If someone wants to cheat or abuse a mechanic to win their single player game... I literally could not care less.
Ok so if you were given 2 versions of the same single player game and were asked to give each version a score on a 10 point scale
1. Version A - Lots of bugs, lots of exploits, completely unbalanced economy 2. Version B - polished, very few bugs, no exploits that you could find, economy in game working as intended
Would you give the same score to both version A and version B?
I think you are missing the point here, but that's OK. If the $14 profit from a coke bottle bothers you so much then you can rate it as a 1 out of 10 if it makes you happy. Just like exploiting in a single player game, if someone else loves or hates a single player game I could not care less.
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I agree- however the bigger point is that CDPR released the game riddled with glitches and built in exploits.
There are zero 3rd party tools used here - all of this is done just by playing the game without any add-ons - you can dupe items, get millions of currency, you can skill up super fast- run faster than any car in game, the number of in-game exploits is downright crazy high.
I mean isn't that strange for a 9/10 game?
Normally 9/10 indicates a highly polished game.
All of the below work just by playing the game without any 3rd party tools
{cut out videos for brevity. All videos were valid glitches in the game}
Etc... etc.. there are a ton of these glitch/exploit videos.
Remember that CDPR said that the game was completed in Jan 2020 and they were just working on polish
So...ehm... so 11 months of testing and polish and they released the game with so many bugs and exploits... how?
You've already mentioned The Witcher 3 and used it as an example of a 9/10 game. Bug and glitch free? Nope.
I even found an article that says the Witcher 3 patch 1.10 fixed 600+ bugs! That doesn't sound minor in any way shape or form.
Well, maybe it's exploit free then? Nope:
Red Dead 2, Borderlands 3, Division 2, Destiny 2, Skyrim, GTA 5 the list goes on and on. They all have major bugs, frustrating (or hilarious if you're like me) glitches, and exploits to get unlimited loot and/or xp.
Face it, you have issues with the game. Lots of people do. You think it should be rated a 7 at best. There are people that think it should be rated worse. But there are also people who think it plays just fine, don't seem to mind the many issues you've pointed out, and are having a great time playing it. I personally agree with many of the problems you have pointed out but am still having a fantastic time playing it.
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To be absolutely clear, I think you rating the game a 7 is perfectly valid. I just find your discrediting of other opinions ridiculous and your reasoning extremely biased and faulty.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
The second is, do not try to hold a real conversation with people that are on a crusade for whatever whacky reason it tickles their fancy to be on one.
Not a normal gamer that puts in 50 or more hours in a game claiming to be hunting bugs and reasons to cast their hate around at anyone that does not agree with them.
Who really plays a game to find faults? that is way passed anything considered normal, that is has become kind of funny in looking at a accident happening way.
Does no one remember all the drama with the i am gonna get a refund and how good GOG's refund was and such?
Even way back then it was seriously creepy for the deranged crusade...and it has not gotten any better.
Really think of how many hours has been spent talking,researching,playing, and crusading against this game by people. Sounds like a 9/10 to me even for the one hating on the game the most...right?
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
What do you get when you remove the 2/10 or 1/10 or 0/10 reviews from people that just want to hate on it? There's roughly 300 0/10 user ratings. That's not a fair assessment of the game.
Like this 0/10 PC user review on metacritic
"This game is absolute trash and a waste of money. do yourself a favor and dont buy this piece of ****"
Or this one in the pc reviews
"bought this game for ps4, but can't play with such a blur. It's like a fraud when someone tries to sell you something that doesn't work"
You said yourself this game is a 7/10, that's far from a 0/10. More so than a 10/10 or even a 9/10. I would think you would be more up in arms about those reviews, since there farther off your assessment than any 9/10 review.
In my opinion the ratings are skewed down, not up.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Also happy New year to you.
Also, do you really think that any reviews that aren't already done are going to substantially lower the average? Even with taking the poor crafting, suspect AI, driving (I actually like it), and all the other things that will take a while to fix, CDPR is already improving performance and squashing bugs with each patch. Wouldn't that mean the longer reviewers wait the better experience they will have, thereby giving higher scores? Not to mention that it will give them the time needed to finally negotiate the exact payment it will take for them to cave and give the game a 10.
And that whole payment thing brings me back to one of your points earlier (too many posts to get an exact quote so just gonna paraphrase, and if it wasn't you that actually said it I apologize but the odds are it was you just by the number of posts you have in this thread), you have accused the site of giving a good score to the game to drive ad revenue. I would think that YOU have actually driven more ad revenue with the many, many visits to the forums and your exorbitant amount of posts. Each post not only generates revenue from you visiting the review page, it also causes people like myself to once again revisit the forums, each trip helping to keep the trickle of ad revenue alive? Are you sure you aren't the shill?
Watched The Departed with my mom last night, she loved it.
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There is alot of games I wish I could spend more time in w/o being affected by it, like Dying Light, Doom and far Cry 5.
Its not even an issue for me here at all. KUDOS
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Sorry, but a bug that makes my progression stop is game breaking. An oversight that lets me make $14 profit by buying and deconstructing an item... pretty far down my list of importance. Same with any dupe exploits. If someone wants to cheat or abuse a mechanic to win their single player game... I literally could not care less.
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I think the issue is they didnt do a good job of mixing the good with the bad the story and the open world.
they even kind of bragged they was going to beat gta at what gta does best,
I even found an article that says the Witcher 3 patch 1.10 fixed 600+ bugs! That doesn't sound minor in any way shape or form.
Well, maybe it's exploit free then? Nope:
Red Dead 2, Borderlands 3, Division 2, Destiny 2, Skyrim, GTA 5 the list goes on and on. They all have major bugs, frustrating (or hilarious if you're like me) glitches, and exploits to get unlimited loot and/or xp.
Face it, you have issues with the game. Lots of people do. You think it should be rated a 7 at best. There are people that think it should be rated worse. But there are also people who think it plays just fine, don't seem to mind the many issues you've pointed out, and are having a great time playing it. I personally agree with many of the problems you have pointed out but am still having a fantastic time playing it.