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Management, money people, and marketing suck.
delete5230
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That's the problem. mmorpg's need to be made with out management.
I understand, they need money.... but the FACT IS they suck.
I don't need a lecture on how important the money is.... I know that.
Indie games suck too.... why ?.... Because they use managers just the same.
Answer:
I don't have one. But one thing for sure management sucks.
This may sound bold..... But I need to be in charge. You will get an mmorpg that all of you would like, with the exception of the free-to-play freeloaders.
I understand, they need money.... but the FACT IS they suck.
I don't need a lecture on how important the money is.... I know that.
Indie games suck too.... why ?.... Because they use managers just the same.
Answer:
I don't have one. But one thing for sure management sucks.
This may sound bold..... But I need to be in charge. You will get an mmorpg that all of you would like, with the exception of the free-to-play freeloaders.
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Huge marketing campaign to trick unsuspecting consumers.
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It does NOT have better vacuum, just different !!
Better vacuum can be created with standard impellers, just larger and tighter specification's.
Wife loves it, because it swivels on a dime. Good feature but has a patent on the swivel. this feature should NEVER be allowed to have a patent.
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Because of sealed off liquids and being upside down, builds un-needed pressure and seal on bottom wares out if not careful with tightening lid to base. Over tighten reduce life of seal, under tighten leak mess from pressure.
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Large flaw- fill cup tabs are made of plastic, many returns because breaking. High cost to re-tool production to fix.
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Once you have management in that has no grounding in your product there is a potential for problems. The business side will run well, but the product side may suffer and that's what we see in gaming. But this can happen anywhere, during the decline of the British car industry as opposed to the German one, it was noted that at least half of directors of any German car company had an engineering background, while it was far less than half in British ones. Indeed in all of our car firms at least half of the UK directors were accountants. Needless to say this is not the sort of area management likes to do studies on.
One thing I have seen having a career in management myself, is the the first answer management has to any problem is to hire more management/admin. But likewise put a developer in charge and the first answer is always more programmers and artists. I don't think this has anything to do with the issues with the CF MMOs (maybe SC though, its that big) but AAA MMOs (indeed AAA gaming) all have issues with this now. When you have the development team of CP 2077 asking the management what's going on you see the problems management led studios have. BTW I hope those guys keep their job, they are now highlighted by CD Projects management as a "problem".
Back in the day designer led studios could go bust because of the CEO's lack of business experience, so you can't do away with management either. So whichever way you play it will cause huge potential issues.
So you have many open legal options as opposed to fussing about needing some license.
I think you need a balance where the talent has a seat at the table but so do the "money" guys and most especially an actual Project Manager.
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Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Marketing is not just about making the most amount of money either, or at least it shouldn't be. It is also for setting correct expectations and engaging in relationship/community building (important for MMOs). Good marketing develops a good reputation for the brand (long term goal). We can see how some crowdfunded games are lacking in these areas.
You need management to "oversee" all aspects. You need money to make products and services (and games). You need creative folks to have "the visions.' All play a part and none can be successful on their own.
Gaming started with folks with vision and technical know-how. They made some games and a few bucks. Then "more" became the mantra. More people to help design, more people to help with visions, more people with money (who want a return on their money) to help get/keep things going.
When any one of these aspects takes precedent (or over), the whole suffers. Artistically, we have better games. Technically, games have improved. Monetarily, games have suffered for players, yet skyrocketed for investors.
I guess what I'm saying is this: Management and money are needed and have a purpose. But they don't need to be so much in the forefront of decision making
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Market research in conjunction with focus groups and the developers help tease out broken features and good ideas (in theory). You think only the devs look over alpha and beta feedback?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Everyone gets paid, and everyone is watching the few developers with their instructions.
All this spread across 6 years, longer if they can help it.
Much worst than I thought, now I really understand why we don't have any mmoprg's, and why it now cost $60,000,000
Key words:
Focus groups
Tease out broken features !!!! ..... Seriously, think about this !!!
And I'm the bad guy everyone gangs up on, what's WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE ?
Forgot about the phone call guy, call him the guy who drums up business.
Rent only $600 a month in the bad part of town to keep cost low.
Yes, I way simplifying the situation,.... but that's how you have to talk to most here on this site.
Not you @scott, you seem one of the sensible ones here.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Just having some fun.... I like your post
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As for the problems with the genre....Has the player base outgrown the genre? Has the industry changed? Has Development gone down hill? Have publishers become greedy? Have the business models failed? Have writers gone creatively bankrupt? The answer is....."Yes" But there are no details to address these in your OP.
You've come in and created a thread to identify a problem at a generic level and offer no discussion on a solution. Not that I believe, we here at MMORPG, are going to fix it. But the issue isn't just management. You need good artistic talent that needs to be given a measure of creative freedom. But you can't just blame it on management. The true problem is lack of balance all the way around.