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QuintilianQuintilian Member Posts: 23
I was just reading the latest set of player/fan interviews and felt disapointment upon reading the following Q&A which i quote below, (source http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58668)

"Q: I have noticed many changes in the druid's paths comparing to what had been initially planned. For example, the mastering of the weather. There was an announcement before Easter's vacations saying weather didn't influence gameplay anymore. What are the reasons for this change?

A: In Mr Pourieux's era, this path was possible to make. However, the new people who replaced him couldn'tget into his code. The fact we removed this path is only because of technical matters".

I thought that something like this had occured and that they are lacking expertise. My question to you, _pix_, is what 'conditions' or 'particulars of an offer' from NP3/Farlan would it take for you to help them out? If they swallowed their pride and attempted to make a mense would you then help them and , correspondingly, the fans?

On a final note I would like to ask you, if you see no way to reconcile disagreements would you  consider developing an alternative mmorpg with the help of player based communities for the generation of content? We need only the tools!

all the best

Quintilian




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  • timbertimber Member Posts: 48
    sounds pretty pointless to me
  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604
    I highly doubt _Pix_ would come within 500 ft of the sleazy Farlan but hopefully he will give his own opinion here soon.
  • QuintilianQuintilian Member Posts: 23


    Well, my questions are hypothetical and I ask _pix_ to come to them with an assumption or a scenario in mind.

    First, that he assumes a desire to reconcile and with regards to the final question, whether he believes development of a mmorpg with some of his technology, his working knowledge and input, would result in a good product and that its development would be fun for him.

     
  • JelloB2000JelloB2000 Member CommonPosts: 1,848


    Originally posted by Quintilian
    Well, my questions are hypothetical and I ask _pix_ to come to them with an assumption or a scenario in mind. First, that he assumes a desire to reconcile and with regards to the final question, whether he believes development of a mmorpg with some of his technology, his working knowledge and input, would result in a good product and that its development would be fun for him.
    Use the pm feature available on this site since none of this has anything to with D&L & its for a specific mmorpg-account. (Pm is upper right corner, the small letter icon).
  • QuintilianQuintilian Member Posts: 23



    Personally i think it does have alot to do with DnL. As my quote clearly shows this issue has effected the content of DnL and is likeley to continue too. The second question(s) regarding development of an alternative mmorpg are just an after thought.

    With regards to the Opening Post, yes it is directed but yet the conversation that i hoped would ensue, I think should be public. Anyway I'll leave it up to _Pix_ to decide if he wants to PM a response to me or not.

    On a final note, i cant seem to find any posts made by _pix_ anymore. Have these been removed Admin?
  • druntdrunt Member Posts: 7


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  • QuintilianQuintilian Member Posts: 23


    Yeah, seems I was mistaken and blind! I see those posts now.

    With regards to alternative mmorpgs, thanx for the info, this is good to hear. As for my first questions, well _Pix_ i still await ur input.

    Quintilian




  • indiramournindiramourn Member UncommonPosts: 884


    Originally posted by Quintilian
    Personally i think it does have alot to do with DnL. As my quote clearly shows this issue has effected the content of DnL and is likeley to continue too. The second question(s) regarding development of an alternative mmorpg are just an after thought.



    The implication here is that Pix is somehow responsible, even indirectly, for the downfall of DnL.  Of course, this is not true.  

  • QuintilianQuintilian Member Posts: 23


    No I dont think I am holding any one individual  responsible. If anything, my use of language favours _Pix_'s position with implicated responsibility indirectly placed at the current 'senior management'; a collective not an individual.

    As for me insinuating a 'downfall' i don't think I do so anywhere in my Opening Post. Rather, I talk about what has been excluded and indicate the limited realm of possibilites with regards to furture inclusions post-release, given the percieved current level of expertise @ np3.






  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

    I thought that something like this had occured and that they are lacking expertise. My question to you, _pix_, is what 'conditions' or 'particulars of an offer' from NP3/Farlan would it take for you to help them out? If they swallowed their pride and attempted to make a mense would you then help them and , correspondingly, the fans?

    Dear Quintilian, 

    be not worried, NPCube perfectly knows what they have to do to respect my IP.
    If they do so, and finally estimate they need VWORLD team expertise further, I guess they will get in touch with us. 
     


    On a final note I would like to ask you, if you see no way to reconcile disagreements would you  consider developing an alternative mmorpg with the help of player based communities for the generation of content? We need only the tools!

    Provide you with the tools, hmmmm...You mean provide you with the technology? Well, not sure this is really what you asked for. There are ways to contact us, do not hesitate.

    PS: as I already said on these boards, VWORLD team might decide to contribute to the development of another MMORPG. We already had offers, but this is not our priority for now.  

    Pix

  • QuintilianQuintilian Member Posts: 23






    _Pix_, thanx for your response, and i just hope Farlan/NP3 can make a break with history and build a relationship with you and VWorld again.

    As for my second question (which is really several questions when you look at it closeley) by "We only need the tools", I don't mean 'would you provide me' the tools ( though I would love to try them and will e-mail you). Rather, I meant 'would you provide a  gamming or modding community the tools to create and run their own mmorpg'?

    I had in mind a non-profit mmorpg (though software and hardware technology paid for at fair rate given the non-profit aim) genuinley run and maintained by the modding community and those that play the mmorpg. I am not  the only one to talk about such a way to make and run mmorpgs, for example see the webcasts located here . And indeed there are many examples of such mmorpgs already in existence. To my mind this would mean opening up the 'ingame' and 'back end' 'tools' to players, or at least more so than we currently see.

    All the best

    Quintilian








  • KilimKilim Member Posts: 546

    It is sad and funny at the same time that in the Official D&L Forums, rabid fans are attacking _Pix_ for Farlan/NP3 not able to do what they are supposed to do.
    Saw a couple posts already attacking _Pix_ for the Druid thing that Farlan is unable to code properly.


    http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?p=983616#post983616

    Q: I have noticed many changes in the druid’s paths comparing to what
    had been initially planned. For example, the Mastering of the weather.
    There was an announcement before Easter’s vacations saying that weather
    didn’t influence gameplay anymore. What are the reasons of this change?



    A: In Mr. Pourieux's era, this path was possible to make. However, the
    new people who replaced him couldn’t get into his code. The fact we
    removed this path is only because of technical matters.


    Q: What about Vincent Pourieux and the graphical engine’s property?

    A: Vincent Pourieux was hired as the research and development director
    in order to create a graphical engine. About the litigation of the
    engine’s property, Vuuar reiterated what had been stated at Warcry in
    2005, which is that a technology developed by an employee is the
    property of the firma that hires him.


    Its kinda like telling someone to get out of his own house and then asking them for the key to the super secret vault they found in the basement.
    Cannot understand how some people are just so deluded.



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  • AlouisiousAlouisious Member Posts: 201


    Originally posted by Quintilian
    _Pix_, thanx for your response, and i just hope Farlan/NP3 can make a break with history and build a relationship with you and VWorld again.

    As for my second question (which is really several questions when you look at it closeley) by "We only need the tools", I don't mean 'would you provide me' the tools ( though I would love to try them and will e-mail you). Rather, I meant 'would you provide a  gamming or modding community the tools to create and run their own mmorpg'?

    I had in mind a non-profit mmorpg (though software and hardware technology paid for at fair rate given the non-profit aim) genuinley run and maintained by the modding community and those that play the mmorpg. I am not  the only one to talk about such a way to make and run mmorpgs, for example see the webcasts located here . And indeed there are many examples of such mmorpgs already in existence. To my mind this would mean opening up the 'ingame' and 'back end' 'tools' to players, or at least more so than we currently see.

    All the best

    Quintilian


    ah jeez...all this just to see if the guy will do something for you for free? Hand over his technology and expertise in the product HE developed? kind of a weasel way to do it aint it?
  • GnomadGnomad Member Posts: 377
    Q: What about Vincent Pourieux and the graphical engine’s property?
    A: Vincent Pourieux was hired as the research and development director in order to create a graphical engine. About the litigation of the engine’s property
    , Vuuar reiterated what had been stated at Warcry in 2005, which is that a technology developed by an employee is the property of the firma that hires him.



    Not when that technology is patented / copyrighted by the employee and he brings it with him as the sole owner of the code / technology. Nice try at spinning lies into facts but PPPPFFFFFFTTTTT WRONG

    Q: I have noticed many changes in the druid’s paths comparing to what had been initially planned. For example, the Mastering of the weather. There was an announcement before Easter’s vacations saying that weather didn’t influence gameplay anymore. What are the reasons of this change?
    A: In Mr. Pourieux's era, this path was possible to make
    . However, the new people who replaced him couldn’t get into his code. The fact we removed this path is only because of technical matters.



    So _Pix_ just how did you lock code so that no one could get back into it? I have been programming for over 30 years and not learned this trick yet. I have some Government customers that would pay damn well to know how to lock people out of machine code. Lets get together and fleece some big boys with your fabulous code locking method.





    Could iit be that they have incompetent programmers that can't understand machine code? Probably the normal script kiddies using program generators that call themselves programmers / devs nowadays.

    Maybe Vuuar should go back and re-read the facts not his revisionist history.

  • ZorbaneZorbane Member UncommonPosts: 529
    maybe he put a big padlock on the computer
  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321


    Originally posted by Gnomad





    Could iit be that they have incompetent programmers that can't understand machine code? Probably the normal script kiddies using program generators that call themselves programmers / devs nowadays.




    I have a feeling that the Reunion Island boys consider VBasic a challenge,never mind assembly

    I miss DAoC

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604


    Originally posted by Gnomad

    Q: What about Vincent Pourieux and the graphical engine’s property?
    A: Vincent Pourieux was hired as the research and development director in order to create a graphical engine. About the litigation of the engine’s property
    , Vuuar reiterated what had been stated at Warcry in 2005, which is that a technology developed by an employee is the property of the firma that hires him.


    Not when that technology is patented / copyrighted by the employee and he brings it with him as the sole owner of the code / technology. Nice try at spinning lies into facts but PPPPFFFFFFTTTTT WRONG


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    FTW!!!!

  • ZorbaneZorbane Member UncommonPosts: 529

    omg what happened to :(

    he shoots he scores!

  • QuintilianQuintilian Member Posts: 23
    Alouisious,

    You are mistaken.


  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276


    Not when that technology is patented / copyrighted by the employee and he brings it with him as the sole owner of the code / technology. Nice try at spinning lies into facts but PPPPFFFFFFTTTTT WRONG

    This is what I haven't been ceasing explaining NPCube. But it's strange that is's always Farlan which responds when it comes to ownership rights. Ho... it just struck me: this is for practical reasons, of course: isn't Farlan Mauritian? 

    So _Pix_ just how did you lock code so that no one could get back into it?

    Lol, u made my day
    Simple: on a count of 5, this code will be automatically destroyed. (Which perfectly makes sense: consequently there were programmers badly wounded and NPCube had not choice than to cover it up with a mosquito raid)


    Maybe Vuuar should go back and re-read the facts not his revisionist history.


    Vuuar seems to truly suffer from recurrent memory leaks when it comes to certain matters.

    See what he posted on March 6 2003:



    I'll translate for you:


    Hello everybody,

    Vuuar is still present and reads the many posts whenever he catches the time... Don't get discouraged, the engine runs fine and the feeling of immersion you get is TERRIFIC. We still got some work to do so that you can enjoy this extraordinary experience and it will be my great pleasure to play with you in DnL... But not on the same side as you 



    This was 5 days after I accepted to become a salaried employee of NPCube to develop DnL...



    And see what Vuuar is saying now, at the occasion of E3 2006 :




    Stéphane(DnL)- We want to give the players a sandbox in which to create a real world, this has always been our goal but two years ago the technology was just not there to build what we wanted to build and it is now.

    Well... revisionism you said?
  • indiramournindiramourn Member UncommonPosts: 884


    Originally posted by Jackdog

    I have a feeling that the Reunion Island boys consider VBasic a challenge,never mind assembly

    Hey! That hurts.  I teach Visual Basic 2005 in college. 
  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604


    Originally posted by indiramourn

    Originally posted by Jackdog

    I have a feeling that the Reunion Island boys consider VBasic a challenge,never mind assembly

    Hey! That hurts.  I teach Visual Basic 2005 in college. 


    doh! LOL Indira

    I would hope that no matter how many lies Farceland/NPFLeece may throw out to the masses in the zest for publicity and a pat on the back (which they dont own) for work "well done" , it would appear they are trying to convince the world of a lie and messing up in the process. Mom always told me, its easier to remember the truth than a lie, so always tell the truth. Farceland/NPFleece seem to have forgotten the previous lies, tried to twist the current lies. EVen though it would appear that liars have the upper hand in judicial proceedings (according to some) nothing is stronger than the truth and especially truth with supporting evidence. Farceland/NPFleece had already so twisted the truth, I dont believe that even they could come up a sensible, logical, rational explanation of the comments they have had printed for the world to see. Dont honestly see how they can weasel out them in any manner that even a corrupt judge could argueably agree with , without his own reputation bloodied in the process.

  • thegowchthegowch Member Posts: 18


    Originally posted by Quintilian
    I was just reading the latest set of player/fan interviews and felt disapointment upon reading the following Q&A which i quote below, (source http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58668)

    "Q: I have noticed many changes in the druid's paths comparing to what had been initially planned. For example, the mastering of the weather. There was an announcement before Easter's vacations saying weather didn't influence gameplay anymore. What are the reasons for this change?

    A: In Mr Pourieux's era, this path was possible to make. However, the new people who replaced him couldn'tget into his code. The fact we removed this path is only because of technical matters".





    Wow, I left the D&L forums about 6 months ago and am only catching up on all this excitement now. This statement is stunning. D&L need to hire some PR heavyweights.

    Not only do they come off sounding petulant by pointing the finger at Mr Pourieux, they make his replacements sound... less than fully competent. This statement does nothing to inspire confidence in the final D&L product.

    I have to admit that particular feature was one I was excited about, back in the day. But is sounds like NPCube has been less than good to this fellow and they're paying for it.

    Score one for karma.

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604
    add to that the cheesy attempts at destroying his credibility that have all been foiled so far...only makes them look even worse. Notice really none of the big mmo sites even gave this game or the company more than a passing nod to them, if that, at the biggest game trade show of the year.
  • IKShadowIKShadow Member UncommonPosts: 783

    Quintilian

    I dont belive that they would even consider hiring him back due the Pix juvenile slandaring on public forums etc...

    You dont see Vuuar doing that no he even openly stated in last interview:

    "Q: I have noticed many changes in the druid's paths comparing to what had been initially planned. For example, the mastering of the weather. There was an announcement before Easter's vacations saying weather didn't influence gameplay anymore. What are the reasons for this change?

    A: In Mr Pourieux's era, this path was possible to make. However, the new people who replaced him couldn'tget into his code. The fact we removed this path is only because of technical matters".

    I would never expect that from any other MMO devs, most of them would stated it was removed due tehnical issues and/or it will be implemented later on ( realy no need to mention Pix at all ).

    In all last interview's Farlan did take realy open stand and admit a lot of mistakes.

    Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]

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