I dunno just completely unimpressed with the ice gauntlet.
Why not have an elemental gauntlet that can switch between ice, fire, air, and earth?
Could make it so it uses gems and when you put them in a gauntlet it makes them melee spells/skills. Like ice melee, fire melee, maybe poison, electric, shadow etc.
This just comes off as the human starter area in what should be a much bigger and more complex MMORPG.
It looks good though.
"You CAN'T buy ships for RL money." - MaxBacon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
If the introduction of ice gauntlets was supposed to be "cool", "awesome" and make me want to play this game, they failed terribly. Its going down a path where its losing its identity and what attracted many to the game to begin with.
Regardless of the reason, if this is the path the game is going down, I will pass. I wanted a pseudo-historical, mystery/exploration game grounded in limited horror/magical elements.
Looks like I will be getting carbon copy pve, pvp-lite mmo 652 in a fantasy setting with magic.
I figured Amazon would realize the kitchen sink approach of MMO design does not work.
I am 99% sure there will be another delay and I would bet 50-50 on a launch disaster and the game sunsetting in 18 months. Amazon does not tolerate failure.
Yeah when I think New World it invokes the frontier, discovering and settling. The hats and helmet sell it but an ice gauntlet...
"You CAN'T buy ships for RL money." - MaxBacon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
The development has certainly been wack-o-mole with a kitchen sink. Funny this started out as a game mostly based on the new world (pre-colonial era) with muskets and canon, and became more fantasy and magic powers.
You can thank the WOKE community and cancel culture for that. On behest of the Native American community, Amazon Games was told to change the games format because it depicted a terrible timeframe, while at the same time the game "This Land is My Land" was released and got no such outcry because it depicted Native Americans in a different light, go figure.
As part native american I am ashamed to be connected with what these people have become.
It's a community comprised of people who focus on being the victim. Pretty sad really. I don't mean Native Americans or any other minority group, but rather samples of each that somehow feel oppressed while the remaining members somehow managed to figure their shit out.
Where is the proof that this is why they changed direction? I've been keeping tabs on this game and I don't recall any concerted effort by any ethnic group to change this game. Sounds like sour grapes on your part.
Lol, none of these articles are
"proof". The imagery the authors of those articles are complaining about
is still in the game. Nor do a few gaming articles constitute a "concerted
effort by an ethnic group to change this game".
I still think the game looks good/interesting, even if a little lost. The state of MMOs is pretty bad so it may be that I just hope this is something playable for the long term.
And there are always people in each demographic that think their problems are due to the actions of someone else. Rarely do they look inward at their own culture to find their problems stem from within. I think white people, specifically white males, are a bit tired of being told they are to blame for something they didn't do by a person that never actually suffered the crimes they are accusing people of doing.
Wow, all I did was point out that Amazon seems to have changed direction slightly to suit what is currently popular in the MMO space because they are new to this and some guy decided to start a race and culture argument on these forums. Thanks for derailing the discussion. Sure wasn't were it needed to go, but you found a way.
Far as I know, everything in those articles is still in the game. That would seem to disprove that guy's hypothesis (that he stated as fact) of those complaints being the reason the game changed direction.
Far as I know, everything in those articles is still in the game. That would seem to disprove that guy's hypothesis (that he stated as fact) of those complaints being the reason the game changed direction.
My understanding was that there was a huge overhaul of the lore of the game, and it's premise, when they swapped from it being this Hard Core FFA Open World PvP Resource War game, to a Care Bear PvE playpen of exploration.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Far as I know, everything in those articles is still in the game. That would seem to disprove that guy's hypothesis (that he stated as fact) of those complaints being the reason the game changed direction.
It's nothing but a feeble attempt to introduce political commentary into the discussion to sound edgy or troll.
All of the changes to this game are about refocusing from an open world PvP, survival semi-MMO to a PvE focused one with optional (flag) PvP. They initially, as in the past 18 months, tried to do it with minimal changes but somewhere along the line realized they had to flesh out the PvE much more and that's what they're currently doing.
All this "woke" and "cancel culture" horseshit is just that: horseshit. This game was never about colonists vs. natives except in the minds of some idiots that either misunderstood or wanted it to be about that.
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Far as I know, everything in those articles is still in the game. That would seem to disprove that guy's hypothesis (that he stated as fact) of those complaints being the reason the game changed direction.
My understanding was that there was a huge overhaul of the lore of the game, and it's premise, when they swapped from it being this Hard Core FFA Open World PvP Resource War game, to a Care Bear PvE playpen of exploration.
Is there any documentation of this alleged "huge overhaul of the lore of the game"? I did some internet searches for it and found nothing about any lore changes, overhauls, or retcons (used all those search words) from an internet search but maybe I'm using the wrong search words.
Or at least someone who can say what it used to be before the overhaul (note that "what it used to be before the overhaul" and "is still in the game" are two completely mutually exclusive definitions), and what it is right now, so that it may be compared for purposes of seeing if it has any potential relation to the complaints in those articles?
Far as I know, everything in those articles is still in the game. That would seem to disprove that guy's hypothesis (that he stated as fact) of those complaints being the reason the game changed direction.
My understanding was that there was a huge overhaul of the lore of the game, and it's premise, when they swapped from it being this Hard Core FFA Open World PvP Resource War game, to a Care Bear PvE playpen of exploration.
Is there any documentation of this alleged "huge overhaul of the lore of the game"? I did some internet searches for it and found nothing about any lore changes, overhauls, or retcons (used all those search words) from an internet search but maybe I'm using the wrong search words.
Or at least someone who can say what it used to be before the overhaul (note that "what it used to be before the overhaul" and "is still in the game" are two completely mutually exclusive definitions), and what it is right now, so that it may be compared for purposes of seeing if it has any potential relation to the complaints in those articles?
I think that it was not so much this stark revamp, but passed off as simply passed off as part of a revision to the gameplay from PvP to PvE.
When you consider that originally it was designed to be a faction based PvP Survival game, where players, would arrive on this barren and lush new world, ripe for the plundering, and then plunder the hell out of it through brute force and oppression/extinction of the inhabitants, colonized this 'new world' building up forts and defensive structures that they would guard or siege, It has morphed into things like there being existing NPC quest givers, Player Housing, and just a different overall feel and design of the whole system.
This is not something the Devs at Amazon would talk about either, it's not like they are going to come out and say "Yah, on top of all the other train wrecks we have done, with the ganking, the total change of the game, and all in all slew of bad idea, like we were determined to make every screw up every other game company has made before us on our own, and learn absolutely nothing from anyone else's mistakes, blowing something like 2 billion on this mess, we are also opted to make the game lore a super offensive stark parody where players would play religious Zealots and Exterminate and Crush the Mystical natives mirroring the heinous crimes against humanity that the conquistadors committed against the natives in the Americas, so, we kinda had to fix that a bit, but.. hopefully we can keep all the graphics we spent millions on, and only a few of you really caught how screwed up this whole thing is.. umm anyway.. give us money"
If you are looking for Amazon studio's being that candid.. well.. good luck, I can't help you there.
"we are also opted to make the game lore a super offensive stark parody where players would play religious Zealots and Exterminate and Crush the Mystical natives mirroring the heinous crimes against humanity that the conquistadors committed against the natives in the Americas, so, we kinda had to fix that a bit, "
I assume you are referring to the "Corrupted" and "Withered" that the original polygon article you linked complained about.
...aren't those still in the game? What changed about them? I mean, as of this March 2, 2021 tweet only a month ago, they're still there. And apparently a major enough part of the game for the official twitter to tweet about.
Far as I know, everything in those articles is still in the game. That would seem to disprove that guy's hypothesis (that he stated as fact) of those complaints being the reason the game changed direction.
My understanding was that there was a huge overhaul of the lore of the game, and it's premise, when they swapped from it being this Hard Core FFA Open World PvP Resource War game, to a Care Bear PvE playpen of exploration.
Is there any documentation of this alleged "huge overhaul of the lore of the game"? I did some internet searches for it and found nothing about any lore changes, overhauls, or retcons (used all those search words) from an internet search but maybe I'm using the wrong search words.
Or at least someone who can say what it used to be before the overhaul (note that "what it used to be before the overhaul" and "is still in the game" are two completely mutually exclusive definitions), and what it is right now, so that it may be compared for purposes of seeing if it has any potential relation to the complaints in those articles?
I think that it was not so much this stark revamp, but passed off as simply passed off as part of a revision to the gameplay from PvP to PvE.
When you consider that originally it was designed to be a faction based PvP Survival game, where players, would arrive on this barren and lush new world, ripe for the plundering, and then plunder the hell out of it through brute force and oppression/extinction of the inhabitants, colonized this 'new world' building up forts and defensive structures that they would guard or siege, It has morphed into things like there being existing NPC quest givers, Player Housing, and just a different overall feel and design of the whole system.
This is not something the Devs at Amazon would talk about either, it's not like they are going to come out and say "Yah, on top of all the other train wrecks we have done, with the ganking, the total change of the game, and all in all slew of bad idea, like we were determined to make every screw up every other game company has made before us on our own, and learn absolutely nothing from anyone else's mistakes, blowing something like 2 billion on this mess, we are also opted to make the game lore a super offensive stark parody where players would play religious Zealots and Exterminate and Crush the Mystical natives mirroring the heinous crimes against humanity that the conquistadors committed against the natives in the Americas, so, we kinda had to fix that a bit, but.. hopefully we can keep all the graphics we spent millions on, and only a few of you really caught how screwed up this whole thing is.. umm anyway.. give us money"
If you are looking for Amazon studio's being that candid.. well.. good luck, I can't help you there.
"we are also opted to make the game lore a super offensive stark parody where players would play religious Zealots and Exterminate and Crush the Mystical natives mirroring the heinous crimes against humanity that the conquistadors committed against the natives in the Americas, so, we kinda had to fix that a bit, "
I assume you are referring to the "Corrupted" and "Withered" that the original polygon article you linked complained about.
...aren't those still in the game? What changed about them? I mean, as of this March 2, 2021 tweet only a month ago, they're still there. And apparently a major enough part of the game for the official twitter to tweet about.
You are looking at the wrong part. What they fixed, as shown with this article, is that the players are no longer representing some puritan religious zealots mirroring the conquistadors coming to exterminate the mysticism using heretics, everyone is now a magic and mysticism using heretic, so as opposed to be being a mirror of a heinous event in history, it is a generic murder hobo game, which.. apparently is socially acceptable.
I have got to hand that one to them, it was a very subtle but pretty cool way to fix things.
Since I am not a backer, I wonder if anyone can validate if they have NPC quests where the players help the indigenous inhabitants. It be cool to find out that there were, as that would also be very typical of a murder hobo game, where players don't care who they help or hurt, as long as they are getting paid.
There are no indigenous inhabitants to either help or hurt and there never have been. That's the part that is most amusing of all this "woke" shit.
You are either part of the latest colonization and investigation wave, as are all players and NPCs, or you are one of the "corrupted" who are members of previous failed expeditions that the island has messed up.
If there ever were any indigenous people on this island they are long gone and perhaps also part of the corrupted, although if you know anything about the Caribbean, you'd know that there are still uninhabited islands there even today,
The game takes place in an alternate history in the later colonization period. The earlier period 150 years prior in real history was characterized by the systematic and very efficient genocide of what indigenous populations existed there.
In fact they were so thorough in their genocide that they became big time African slave importers which is why people for the Caribbean have almost 0 native / European mixed features like you see in Central and South America that used the natives as their cheap labor with little need to import African slaves. I guess there were just too many of them in the continent to totally wipe out.
In short, a total lack of an indigenous native population in an isolated island in the late 1600s, even if this were not an alternate reality with magic and shit, would not be inconsistent with the realities of the Caribbean at that time.
New World used an island empty of all but corrupted and the latest wave of colonists as their setting from day one.
But by all means, you and Rhoklaw keep on reinventing the narrative... it's funny as hell.
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But by all means, you and Rhoklaw keep on reinventing the narrative... it's funny as hell.
What is, well I would not say funny, more akin to pathetical annoying really, is that there are some posters that think this my narrative, or that I have taken a stand on this issue.
I am just trying to explain the situation as best I know of it. I am not sure why I need to explain this to some people, given if anyone paid half an ounce of attention to my post, they would see clearly that I am not some author, so I have no idea why anyone would presume that I have written or been directly involved in any of the articles written on this. I am also not a backer, I have not signed up for their beta, I am not on their discord or reddit.
This is just stuff I have heard about the lore of the game being changed because it caused some controversy, and trying to share that info.
If that is gets peoples knickers in a twist as opposed to thanking me for trying my best here, to explain what little I know, they are in fact part of the problem.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Assuming you are referring to the latter half of the "Old World Pathogens" section, I think you're misreading the article. Nothing was actually changed in the article. The author at one point comments that it seems to parallel the times when religious zealots wiped out the natives due to pathogens, at which point the developer (studio head Patrick) states "That's not it at all."
In other words, the game was never originally about zealots wiping out the sick natives. That's just what the article author thinks it was about, after which the developer states "No, that's not what it's about."
There is no developer saying "Oh, really? We'll fix that so that's not what it's about!". It's just the developer stating right off the bat, "That's not what this is about.". IE, there was never any intention of religious zealots in the first place and the author (at least according to the developer) is mistaken that there is.
LOL, so were expecting their Head Developer/PR person say "Eh, yah, wow,.. I did fuck that up, ok, well we are going to fix that"
Well jolly good luck with getting that from anyone, least of all Amazon.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
But by all means, you and Rhoklaw keep on reinventing the narrative... it's funny as hell.
What is, well I would not say funny, more akin to pathetical annoying really, is that there are some posters that think this my narrative, or that I have taken a stand on this issue.
I am just trying to explain the situation as best I know of it. I am not sure why I need to explain this to some people, given if anyone paid half an ounce of attention to my post, they would see clearly that I am not some author, so I have no idea why anyone would presume that I have written or been directly involved in any of the articles written on this. I am also not a backer, I have not signed up for their beta, I am not on their discord or reddit.
This is just stuff I have heard about the lore of the game being changed because it caused some controversy, and trying to share that info.
If that is gets peoples knickers in a twist as opposed to thanking me for trying my best here, to explain what little I know, they are in fact part of the problem.
You've heard wrong (you read wrong, in this case) and you're spouting your error as fact. And being quite smug about it, in my opinion. Wrong people that think they're right and are jerks about it tends to be rather annoying which would explain all the twisted knickers.
But by all means, you and Rhoklaw keep on reinventing the narrative... it's funny as hell.
What is, well I would not say funny, more akin to pathetical annoying really, is that there are some posters that think this my narrative, or that I have taken a stand on this issue.
I am just trying to explain the situation as best I know of it. I am not sure why I need to explain this to some people, given if anyone paid half an ounce of attention to my post, they would see clearly that I am not some author, so I have no idea why anyone would presume that I have written or been directly involved in any of the articles written on this. I am also not a backer, I have not signed up for their beta, I am not on their discord or reddit.
This is just stuff I have heard about the lore of the game being changed because it caused some controversy, and trying to share that info.
If that is gets peoples knickers in a twist as opposed to thanking me for trying my best here, to explain what little I know, they are in fact part of the problem.
You've heard wrong (you read wrong, in this case) and you're spouting your error as fact. And being quite smug about it, in my opinion. Wrong people that think they're right and are jerks about it tends to be rather annoying which would explain all the twisted knickers.
Right, and you're not acting smug at all. Well would say it's been fun, but it really hasn't. Feel free to just go.. ride off into the sunset clinging to whatever you want to believe. I have no intention to stop you.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
But by all means, you and Rhoklaw keep on reinventing the narrative... it's funny as hell.
What is, well I would not say funny, more akin to pathetical annoying really, is that there are some posters that think this my narrative, or that I have taken a stand on this issue.
I am just trying to explain the situation as best I know of it. I am not sure why I need to explain this to some people, given if anyone paid half an ounce of attention to my post, they would see clearly that I am not some author, so I have no idea why anyone would presume that I have written or been directly involved in any of the articles written on this. I am also not a backer, I have not signed up for their beta, I am not on their discord or reddit.
This is just stuff I have heard about the lore of the game being changed because it caused some controversy, and trying to share that info.
If that is gets peoples knickers in a twist as opposed to thanking me for trying my best here, to explain what little I know, they are in fact part of the problem.
You've heard wrong (you read wrong, in this case) and you're spouting your error as fact. And being quite smug about it, in my opinion. Wrong people that think they're right and are jerks about it tends to be rather annoying which would explain all the twisted knickers.
Right, and you're not acting smug at all. Well would say it's been fun, but it really hasn't. Feel free to just go.. ride off into the sunset clinging to whatever you want to believe. I have no intention to stop you.
You just think I'm' smug because I disagree with you. I haven't called anyone "butt hurt", I made it clear that it was just my honest sincere opinion that you were misreading things, and it is only just now after you keep doubling down even after how blatantly wrong you've been proven to be that I am forced to tell you that you are, in fact, a jerk about it.
Of course, your only defense is "no u". So whatever, I guess.
The slave trade was far more complex and all encompassing than most people know. Pretty much everyone has been enslaved and genocided at points in history including ole beat-up whitey. There's nothing unique about it in the Americas or anywhere else for that matter. All cultures are guilty but like the woke bullshit and biased reporting we seem to see here, your not getting the whole story. Hell, your not getting any of the story.
Just based off the title of the articles alone, one can ascertain the premise of what is going on. Doesn't take a degree in rocket science to figure it out either. New World was in fact Colonial themed sandbox game in the beginning and it has changed since it was first advertised. Why they can't understand this is beyond me.
P.S. Since Iselin is still in disbelief, perhaps he can explain why the original trailer for the game was removed from YouTube?
They announced this game in 2016 BEFORE modern youth crusade looking to erase or 'cancel' any remnants of colonialism. Some college students now on that crusade were in JUNIOR High school when New World was first announced and started to be worked on..
Amazon just picked the theme that would eventually be under attack due to modern happenings. If they went cyberpunk or steampunk instead it wouldn't even be a conversation.
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Why not have an elemental gauntlet that can switch between ice, fire, air, and earth?
Could make it so it uses gems and when you put them in a gauntlet it makes them melee spells/skills. Like ice melee, fire melee, maybe poison, electric, shadow etc.
This just comes off as the human starter area in what should be a much bigger and more complex MMORPG.
It looks good though.
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Lol, none of these articles are "proof". The imagery the authors of those articles are complaining about is still in the game. Nor do a few gaming articles constitute a "concerted effort by an ethnic group to change this game".
And there are always people in each demographic that think their problems are due to the actions of someone else. Rarely do they look inward at their own culture to find their problems stem from within. I think white people, specifically white males, are a bit tired of being told they are to blame for something they didn't do by a person that never actually suffered the crimes they are accusing people of doing.
All of the changes to this game are about refocusing from an open world PvP, survival semi-MMO to a PvE focused one with optional (flag) PvP. They initially, as in the past 18 months, tried to do it with minimal changes but somewhere along the line realized they had to flesh out the PvE much more and that's what they're currently doing.
All this "woke" and "cancel culture" horseshit is just that: horseshit. This game was never about colonists vs. natives except in the minds of some idiots that either misunderstood or wanted it to be about that.
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Or at least someone who can say what it used to be before the overhaul (note that "what it used to be before the overhaul" and "is still in the game" are two completely mutually exclusive definitions), and what it is right now, so that it may be compared for purposes of seeing if it has any potential relation to the complaints in those articles?
I assume you are referring to the "Corrupted" and "Withered" that the original polygon article you linked complained about.
...aren't those still in the game? What changed about them? I mean, as of this March 2, 2021 tweet only a month ago, they're still there. And apparently a major enough part of the game for the official twitter to tweet about.
You are either part of the latest colonization and investigation wave, as are all players and NPCs, or you are one of the "corrupted" who are members of previous failed expeditions that the island has messed up.
If there ever were any indigenous people on this island they are long gone and perhaps also part of the corrupted, although if you know anything about the Caribbean, you'd know that there are still uninhabited islands there even today,
The game takes place in an alternate history in the later colonization period. The earlier period 150 years prior in real history was characterized by the systematic and very efficient genocide of what indigenous populations existed there.
In fact they were so thorough in their genocide that they became big time African slave importers which is why people for the Caribbean have almost 0 native / European mixed features like you see in Central and South America that used the natives as their cheap labor with little need to import African slaves. I guess there were just too many of them in the continent to totally wipe out.
In short, a total lack of an indigenous native population in an isolated island in the late 1600s, even if this were not an alternate reality with magic and shit, would not be inconsistent with the realities of the Caribbean at that time.
New World used an island empty of all but corrupted and the latest wave of colonists as their setting from day one.
But by all means, you and Rhoklaw keep on reinventing the narrative... it's funny as hell.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I am just trying to explain the situation as best I know of it. I am not sure why I need to explain this to some people, given if anyone paid half an ounce of attention to my post, they would see clearly that I am not some author, so I have no idea why anyone would presume that I have written or been directly involved in any of the articles written on this. I am also not a backer, I have not signed up for their beta, I am not on their discord or reddit.
This is just stuff I have heard about the lore of the game being changed because it caused some controversy, and trying to share that info.
If that is gets peoples knickers in a twist as opposed to thanking me for trying my best here, to explain what little I know, they are in fact part of the problem.
Well jolly good luck with getting that from anyone, least of all Amazon.
Of course, your only defense is "no u". So whatever, I guess.