Originally posted by digriz So i've headed back into the game, and the chimaera seems to have quite a healthy population (at least on corellia and tat) i'd even say healthier than pre NGE. I've tweaked gameplay and aside from the over the shoulder shot(which means first person if u use a droid) and the lack of weapon skills (ie critical hit) ive cobbled together a facsiile of pre NGE play. At least something i can cope with. Skills can be hotkeyed still, you have to go through options with a fine tooth comb and try to fix everything. Graphics and movement are odd, but...whatever.
So, im about to go solo a krayt to see how easy they've made combat. Medic seems fairly close to combat medic of old. But i've only a few hours play, if that, to go on.
A lot of old faces are back so i figure it's six month withdrawl symptoms that we're back.
I'm sorry guys Obraik may have been right, i have a month to decide whether it's worth staying.
/dons fireproof clothing
Well, as long as u're happy, that is fine. Good for you!
Originally posted by Aikes Numbers always rise slightly after another publish. Old players come back looking for anything close to Pre-CU SWG and find crapola so they end up quitting again. Im on ventrilo with an old guildy (Cogliostro) right now and he reports this: Theed: 3 people Coronet: 0 people Mining Outpost Dantooine: 2 people Mos Eisley: 3 people
I dont know about you, but those don't look like progressive numbers to me. I can only say, midnight sunday chimaera server Coronet 15 people, more than pre NGE plus 7 or so dotted around corners of the map on corellia Bestine had about 30 or so and mos Eisley have 40 or more and this was at midnight. TBH it was a bit annoying as i was just looking for some easy npcs to try the combat out on. I'm logging on again now. You all might be happy to know my medic cant take on a krayt , at least at this stage of my learning curve(once i practice) although i did take out 3 rancors at the same time because of that aim thing. Stormies btw stil drop milk and eggs, but they've brought some kind of balance to this by having Bolmas on Dath dropping retrofitted E 11 rifles. I'm really in two minds though, i gotta say.
Originally posted by Obraik Anything that is an elite (silver or gold brackets around the HA bars) are a tough fight, moreso if there's more of them or they're higher level then you are. Sher Kar is a good 5-10min battle if you solo her. Imagine the time it'd take to take her down in the CU Eisley always seems to have a good amount of new players there. I shuttled in there with RIS on the other day and a crowd gathered around me
I did that for the first time last night-talk about severe finger-cramp
Originally posted by Obraik Anything that is an elite (silver or gold brackets around the HA bars) are a tough fight, moreso if there's more of them or they're higher level then you are. Sher Kar is a good 5-10min battle if you solo her. Imagine the time it'd take to take her down in the CU Eisley always seems to have a good amount of new players there. I shuttled in there with RIS on the other day and a crowd gathered around me
Did you ask people to touch you? "I'm wearing RIS, now who wants to touch me??"
Originally posted by Aikes Stormies btw stil drop milk and eggs, but they've brought some kind of balance to this by having Bolmas on Dath dropping retrofitted E 11 rifles.
ROFLMAO!!!!
"Save a cow... Milk a StormTrooper!"
SOE knows what you like... You don't! And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
Originally posted by digriz So i've headed back into the game, and the chimaera seems to have quite a healthy population (at least on corellia and tat) i'd even say healthier than pre NGE. I've tweaked gameplay and aside from the over the shoulder shot(which means first person if u use a droid) and the lack of weapon skills (ie critical hit) ive cobbled together a facsiile of pre NGE play. At least something i can cope with. Skills can be hotkeyed still, you have to go through options with a fine tooth comb and try to fix everything. Graphics and movement are odd, but...whatever.
So, im about to go solo a krayt to see how easy they've made combat. Medic seems fairly close to combat medic of old. But i've only a few hours play, if that, to go on.
A lot of old faces are back so i figure it's six month withdrawl symptoms that we're back.
I'm sorry guys Obraik may have been right, i have a month to decide whether it's worth staying.
/dons fireproof clothing
JUDAS!!!!!!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Originally posted by Agricola1 Originally posted by digriz So i've headed back into the game, and the chimaera seems to have quite a healthy population (at least on corellia and tat) i'd even say healthier than pre NGE. I've tweaked gameplay and aside from the over the shoulder shot(which means first person if u use a droid) and the lack of weapon skills (ie critical hit) ive cobbled together a facsiile of pre NGE play. At least something i can cope with. Skills can be hotkeyed still, you have to go through options with a fine tooth comb and try to fix everything. Graphics and movement are odd, but...whatever.
So, im about to go solo a krayt to see how easy they've made combat. Medic seems fairly close to combat medic of old. But i've only a few hours play, if that, to go on.
A lot of old faces are back so i figure it's six month withdrawl symptoms that we're back.
I'm sorry guys Obraik may have been right, i have a month to decide whether it's worth staying.
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by Vexin Originally posted by Obraik Anything that is an elite (silver or gold brackets around the HA bars) are a tough fight, moreso if there's more of them or they're higher level then you are...
*sigh* Another blatant rip-off of World of Warcraft.
I guess it has its advantages, though. You will have a much lower learning curve when you actually start playing WoW.
Elite mobs and the like have been in since the CU (over a year now ).
And exactly how does that change the fact?
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Originally posted by Squidi Originally posted by Aikes Numbers always rise slightly after another publish. Old players come back looking for anything close to Pre-CU SWG and find crapola so they end up quitting again. Im on ventrilo with an old guildy (Cogliostro) right now and he reports this: Theed: 3 people Coronet: 0 people Mining Outpost Dantooine: 2 people Mos Eisley: 3 people
I dont know about you, but those don't look like progressive numbers to me.
doesn't ivlude anonymous players (like myself) - the /who list is usually lower than actual nubers
These numbers are meaningless. They reflect no true sub count therefore they mean nothing.
Find an SOE employee and get the info from him. That is the only way. Otherwise you are just posting random numbers to make yourself feel good as you can not prove your numbers any more then you can prove mine are wrong.
I say 1,000,000 players where on last night. You say I'm wrong, I say I'm right. Prove it. Whatcha gonna do post a little screenshot of server pops? Thats not valid proof.
So there. End of debate
Face it guys, the game is what it is and its not going away or dieing. People are still playing it despite how much you hate it.
Originally posted by digriz Originally posted by Agricola1 Originally posted by digriz So i've headed back into the game, and the chimaera seems to have quite a healthy population (at least on corellia and tat) i'd even say healthier than pre NGE. I've tweaked gameplay and aside from the over the shoulder shot(which means first person if u use a droid) and the lack of weapon skills (ie critical hit) ive cobbled together a facsiile of pre NGE play. At least something i can cope with. Skills can be hotkeyed still, you have to go through options with a fine tooth comb and try to fix everything. Graphics and movement are odd, but...whatever.
So, im about to go solo a krayt to see how easy they've made combat. Medic seems fairly close to combat medic of old. But i've only a few hours play, if that, to go on.
A lot of old faces are back so i figure it's six month withdrawl symptoms that we're back.
I'm sorry guys Obraik may have been right, i have a month to decide whether it's worth staying.
/dons fireproof clothing
JUDAS!!!!!!
So be it.
I fear you've fallen victim to the dark influence of Smedley's Wicked Gamers (SWG), becareful lest you are initiated fully into the cult of Smedley's Online Eunuchs ($OE). Try to remember the reasons why you left, the army of fanbois praising their darklord and sacrificing their credit card details to him. The sick and twisted chanting, "NGE, Star Warsy, Iconic, fun!" soon you'll be sacrificing noobs on $medley's altar chanting with Obraik and pirrg "kill/diembowel/repeat, kill/disembowel/repeat, kill/disembowel/repeat!". With high priestess Nancy watching over the ceremony as you drape the dead noobs internal organs over the stone idol of $medley.
It's not too late for you, remember the revamp is a lie and soon the four horsemen of the apocalypse will arrive PS3, Launchpad, Station Access and $25. After they have come there'll be nothing left the already dwindling population will be massacred and you with them if you're not carefull! I'm doing this for you, for the sake of your own sanity. Try EVE Online first, there's a free trial or try anything first that's not involced with the $OE cult!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Originally posted by Torak Originally posted by Squidi Originally posted by Aikes Numbers always rise slightly after another publish. Old players come back looking for anything close to Pre-CU SWG and find crapola so they end up quitting again. Im on ventrilo with an old guildy (Cogliostro) right now and he reports this: Theed: 3 people Coronet: 0 people Mining Outpost Dantooine: 2 people Mos Eisley: 3 people
I dont know about you, but those don't look like progressive numbers to me.
doesn't ivlude anonymous players (like myself) - the /who list is usually lower than actual nubers
These numbers are meaningless. They reflect no true sub count therefore they mean nothing.
Find an SOE employee and get the info from him. That is the only way. Otherwise you are just posting random numbers to make yourself feel good as you can not prove your numbers any more then you can prove mine are wrong.
I say 1,000,000 players where on last night. You say I'm wrong, I say I'm right. Prove it. Whatcha gonna do post a little screenshot of server pops? Thats not valid proof.
So there. End of debate
Face it guys, the game is what it is and its not going away or dieing. People are still playing it despite how much you hate it.
These numbers are meaningless. They reflect no true sub count therefore they mean nothing.
I admit that they don't prove anything useful, but they aren't meaningless. They reflecte exactly the number of people that existed online on a single galaxy at several major locations (and Moenia, cause that's where I logged in at) within a five minute span. What it doesn't show is plenty, but what it does show is that the game has more people playing at 2:45 on a Monday afternoon than most here would suggest. Find an SOE employee and get the info from him. That is the only way. Otherwise you are just posting random numbers to make yourself feel good as you can not prove your numbers any more then you can prove mine are wrong. Well, they weren't random. I posted the extact numbers a /who gave me at the exact time that I wrote that post - SWG was in another window. I posted the galaxy I was one, as well as the time. It would be a simple enough matter for one of the other posters on this board with an active subscription to go over to Ahazi and double check what I posted (in fact, when I quit, Mustafar had four more people than when I posted - I guess school got out). You can choose whether to believe them or not, but those numbers are checkable by a third party. I gave enough information. Come next Monday at 2:45, have someone else post their numbers for Ahazi. Heck, let's get three independant people to measure the same server at the same time without letting each other know their results and post it here (though you'd have to drop three from each number because they'd be counting each other). We get them to do that three time a day for three weeks and we've got enough observed data to start basing assumptions on.
As for getting info from a SOE employee, you'd just call bullshit and say that there is no way to prove it too.
I say 1,000,000 players where on last night. You say I'm wrong, I say I'm right. Prove it. Whatcha gonna do post a little screenshot of server pops? Thats not valid proof. So there. End of debate I think we may be on the same side here. I like SWG. I have a subscription to it and play it daily. However, I take great offense at your "nothing is valid unless proven, and nothing can be proven on the internet" approach. It seems like the kind of self fufilling circular logic that somehow always ends with you being right. The numbers I posted, while lower than I would've liked, aren't meaningless nor are they fiction or might as well be fiction. And a word to the wise - the guy who declares "end of debate" is typically the guy who wouldn't win it.
Face it guys, the game is what it is and its not going away or dieing. People are still playing it despite how much you hate it.
doesn't ivlude anonymous players (like myself) - the /who list is usually lower than actual nubers
I know you don't want to hear this, but it must be said: First, I would like to hand you a roll of tissue and instructions on how to properly fold it so it does the most good. Besides that brown stuff with the foul stench on your face, I like to look people in the face. That is hard to do covered in poo.
These numbers are meaningless. They reflect no true sub count therefore they mean nothing.
Find an SOE employee and get the info from him. That is the only way. Otherwise you are just posting random numbers to make yourself feel good as you can not prove your numbers any more then you can prove mine are wrong.
Smedley has already said that many people voted with their feet and have left the game. More so after the NGE than even the CU.
I say 1,000,000 players where on last night. You say I'm wrong, I say I'm right. Prove it. Whatcha gonna do post a little screenshot of server pops? Thats not valid proof.
No there were no. They don't have enough server capacity to handle 1milion concurrent users.
So there. End of debate
Face it guys, the game is what it is and its not going away or dieing. People are still playing it despite how much you hate it.
Well, you haven't used the tissue yet. So, if it looks like poo, if it smells like poo, it is poo. If you like to be a swine an swim in it, it is certainly your choice. However, I have a higher expectation for my dollar. I also value my time, and SOE told many players their time was of not value to them. They lied, they were dishonest and they deserve every bit of criticism they get. If you like pending over in the prisoners shower, so be it. But honestly, I don't want to hear hear you whine about it.
I know you don't want to hear this, but it must be said: First, I would like to hand you a roll of tissue and instructions on how to properly fold it so it does the most good. Besides that brown stuff with the foul stench on your face, I like to look people in the face. That is hard to do covered in poo.
...
Well, you haven't used the tissue yet. So, if it looks like poo, if it smells like poo, it is poo. If you like to be a swine an swim in it, it is certainly your choice. However, I have a higher expectation for my dollar. I also value my time, and SOE told many players their time was of not value to them. They lied, they were dishonest and they deserve every bit of criticism they get. If you like pending over in the prisoners shower, so be it. But honestly, I don't want to hear hear you whine about it.
So, GAME OVER!
Don't discount the fact that your opinion is poo.
-d
Waiting on: Pirates of the Burning Sea and Pirates of the Carribean Online
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by ixontes Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by ixontesObraik, ever read your pms? Er yeah, why? I asked you some questions. You might want to send it again, I haven't got it
Im not sure, but i THINK the PM system here is broken.
Ive reported it a few times, but MMORPG didnt fixed it so far.
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by ixontes Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by ixontesObraik, ever read your pms? Er yeah, why? I asked you some questions. You might want to send it again, I haven't got it
Im not sure, but i THINK the PM system here is broken.
Ive reported it a few times, but MMORPG didnt fixed it so far.
I got it when he re-sent it The un-read meter is bugged though, sometimes it says I have 1 unread even though there really isn't...
Originally posted by Squidi Originally posted by Torak
These numbers are meaningless. They reflect no true sub count therefore they mean nothing.
I admit that they don't prove anything useful, but they aren't meaningless. They reflecte exactly the number of people that existed online on a single galaxy at several major locations (and Moenia, cause that's where I logged in at) within a five minute span. What it doesn't show is plenty, but what it does show is that the game has more people playing at 2:45 on a Monday afternoon than most here would suggest. Find an SOE employee and get the info from him. That is the only way. Otherwise you are just posting random numbers to make yourself feel good as you can not prove your numbers any more then you can prove mine are wrong. Well, they weren't random. I posted the extact numbers a /who gave me at the exact time that I wrote that post - SWG was in another window. I posted the galaxy I was one, as well as the time. It would be a simple enough matter for one of the other posters on this board with an active subscription to go over to Ahazi and double check what I posted (in fact, when I quit, Mustafar had four more people than when I posted - I guess school got out). You can choose whether to believe them or not, but those numbers are checkable by a third party. I gave enough information. Come next Monday at 2:45, have someone else post their numbers for Ahazi. Heck, let's get three independant people to measure the same server at the same time without letting each other know their results and post it here (though you'd have to drop three from each number because they'd be counting each other). We get them to do that three time a day for three weeks and we've got enough observed data to start basing assumptions on.
As for getting info from a SOE employee, you'd just call bullshit and say that there is no way to prove it too.
I say 1,000,000 players where on last night. You say I'm wrong, I say I'm right. Prove it. Whatcha gonna do post a little screenshot of server pops? Thats not valid proof. So there. End of debate I think we may be on the same side here. I like SWG. I have a subscription to it and play it daily. However, I take great offense at your "nothing is valid unless proven, and nothing can be proven on the internet" approach. It seems like the kind of self fufilling circular logic that somehow always ends with you being right. The numbers I posted, while lower than I would've liked, aren't meaningless nor are they fiction or might as well be fiction. And a word to the wise - the guy who declares "end of debate" is typically the guy who wouldn't win it.
Face it guys, the game is what it is and its not going away or dieing. People are still playing it despite how much you hate it.
Hey Squidi, please don't take it as a personal attack. I just don't see the validity of the numbers. Shopshots of server populations just are not good enough as there are to many variables. On top of it all that a population check does is make a snapshot of 1 particular second in game. Anything could change from second to second. (more or less at any one instance)
I know you didn't say it but someone here said that there are only a few thousand people playing and they are partially basing it on these numbers. To say that game x does or does not have x amount of subscriptions because a 04:45 and 45 seconds there where x amount of people in x location on x server is a weak agruement at best. I'm not saying your numbers are wrong (which they could be based on the amount of variables involved) but they don't come close to giving a true statisical sample of the entire game.
IF you had a snapshot of ALL servers at a particular time (prime time and off peak times) and place. (the highest and lowest population spots) and of course sampled it over the course of a month to take into account any new and cancel variations, you MIGHT have something to go on. You may also miss out on the portion of the subscribers that may or may not be active at that particular month for whatever personal reasons. Not everyone plays religiously everyday. There is a reaon no one (reviewers and such) guesses at MMO populations, its almost impossible.
(I was in the Insurance industry for six years, honestly you can make numbers say anything you want)
I would think (base on my experience in sales) that any drop in customers MORE then 20% is considered disasterous. If, lets say worse case, they lost 50% (that is a HUGE amount) that would put them at about 127,000 subs. If a business lost 50% of its sales tramaticly like we think it did, you would see a far greater backlash. (of course, again that depends on the stratagy involved and the expected reaction) They may have planned to lose about 20-30 percent of the base. Someone since then is buying all those new starter kits. The worse of the backlash is far past. From that point on its either mild or vigorous growth. I would assume mild because of the reviews and bad PR. I would also think that they will not make that mistake again.
The bad PR probably had far more impact then the lost subs as it damaged the brand name. That will hinder future growth more then anything. The counter to that is, it is Star Wars and Star Wars sells.
They appear to have been willing to sacrifice the old player base in hopes of attracting a larger player base. Since SWG and SOE appear to be in no eminate danager we will have to assume that it is working to some extent. (again based on whatever plan they had) The "plan" is also not a new one. The decission to go to NGE was made long ago. Probably about the time they started tell you about the CU. The CU was to test a few things out before they hit the game with the complete revamp.
Was it right? hmmm maybe, maybe not, we will see. Was it fair? Well, the game does belong to them, you have the proper notices, the company IS responsible for making a profit. So, it was fair in terms of business. It sucks for the the current customer but many business decissions usually do.
Admit it Torag see's dead people and your all just jealous, he can see the souls of all our deleted toons from our cancelled subscriptions.
<Sniff> I wish I could see the amazing lag of Coronet one more time, with the 60 - 180 seconds it would take to get my AV21 out on a good day, I wonder if he could check Euro-Chimeara and see if he can see the spirit of the town Spiritwood on Naboo (a RP Town).
I often wonderhow many cities are left on Dant that actually have transport, and if the EZ crowd finally gave up and got a life.
Originally posted by digriz So i've headed back into the game, and the chimaera seems to have quite a healthy population (at least on corellia and tat) i'd even say healthier than pre NGE. I've tweaked gameplay and aside from the over the shoulder shot(which means first person if u use a droid) and the lack of weapon skills (ie critical hit) ive cobbled together a facsiile of pre NGE play. At least something i can cope with. Skills can be hotkeyed still, you have to go through options with a fine tooth comb and try to fix everything. Graphics and movement are odd, but...whatever.
So, im about to go solo a krayt to see how easy they've made combat. Medic seems fairly close to combat medic of old. But i've only a few hours play, if that, to go on.
A lot of old faces are back so i figure it's six month withdrawl symptoms that we're back.
I'm sorry guys Obraik may have been right, i have a month to decide whether it's worth staying.
/dons fireproof clothing
I really do have to ask the question again, with so many people saying there are lots of people playing and having fun, why are people continously asking us to come back? I have to ask, is SOE offering a referal reward or bonus of some sort?
Originally posted by Erom Originally posted by digriz So i've headed back into the game, and the chimaera seems to have quite a healthy population (at least on corellia and tat) i'd even say healthier than pre NGE. I've tweaked gameplay and aside from the over the shoulder shot(which means first person if u use a droid) and the lack of weapon skills (ie critical hit) ive cobbled together a facsiile of pre NGE play. At least something i can cope with. Skills can be hotkeyed still, you have to go through options with a fine tooth comb and try to fix everything. Graphics and movement are odd, but...whatever.
So, im about to go solo a krayt to see how easy they've made combat. Medic seems fairly close to combat medic of old. But i've only a few hours play, if that, to go on.
A lot of old faces are back so i figure it's six month withdrawl symptoms that we're back.
I'm sorry guys Obraik may have been right, i have a month to decide whether it's worth staying.
/dons fireproof clothing
I really do have to ask the question again, with so many people saying there are lots of people playing and having fun, why are people continously asking us to come back? I have to ask, is SOE offering a referal reward or bonus of some sort?
Originally posted by Erom Originally posted by digriz So i've headed back into the game, and the chimaera seems to have quite a healthy population (at least on corellia and tat) i'd even say healthier than pre NGE. I've tweaked gameplay and aside from the over the shoulder shot(which means first person if u use a droid) and the lack of weapon skills (ie critical hit) ive cobbled together a facsiile of pre NGE play. At least something i can cope with. Skills can be hotkeyed still, you have to go through options with a fine tooth comb and try to fix everything. Graphics and movement are odd, but...whatever.
So, im about to go solo a krayt to see how easy they've made combat. Medic seems fairly close to combat medic of old. But i've only a few hours play, if that, to go on.
A lot of old faces are back so i figure it's six month withdrawl symptoms that we're back.
I'm sorry guys Obraik may have been right, i have a month to decide whether it's worth staying.
/dons fireproof clothing
I really do have to ask the question again, with so many people saying there are lots of people playing and having fun, why are people continously asking us to come back? I have to ask, is SOE offering a referal reward or bonus of some sort?
I'm not asking you to come back mate. All posts i see asking that i always assume are SOE devs trying to keep their jobs. All i said is im back and servers have a pulse again. See Chimaera, ive not once had a message that there are no players near when ive done a player search. The numbers seem better than in the few weeks running up to NGE, which since CU we know were way low. I dont like the combat but ive tweaked the game to be as close to the game i remembered. We'll see how the month works out. Regardless of how i feel about the game, people do seem to be having fun. A lot of players are experiencing the game as you did at first with no idea of what they missed, and are running about enjoying it. Play or don't play, makes no odds to me.
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JUDAS!!!!!!
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CS Lewis
JUDAS!!!!!!
So be it.
I guess it has its advantages, though. You will have a much lower learning curve when you actually start playing WoW.
Elite mobs and the like have been in since the CU (over a year now
And exactly how does that change the fact?
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As ye SOE, so shall ye weep.
moenia: 4
theed: 13
mos eisley: 29
coronet: 8
Dantooine mining: 13
mustifar complex: 8
doesn't ivlude anonymous players (like myself) - the /who list is usually lower than actual nubers
These numbers are meaningless. They reflect no true sub count therefore they mean nothing.
Find an SOE employee and get the info from him. That is the only way. Otherwise you are just posting random numbers to make yourself feel good as you can not prove your numbers any more then you can prove mine are wrong.
I say 1,000,000 players where on last night. You say I'm wrong, I say I'm right. Prove it. Whatcha gonna do post a little screenshot of server pops? Thats not valid proof.
So there. End of debate
Face it guys, the game is what it is and its not going away or dieing. People are still playing it despite how much you hate it.
JUDAS!!!!!!
So be it.
I fear you've fallen victim to the dark influence of Smedley's Wicked Gamers (SWG), becareful lest you are initiated fully into the cult of Smedley's Online Eunuchs ($OE). Try to remember the reasons why you left, the army of fanbois praising their darklord and sacrificing their credit card details to him. The sick and twisted chanting, "NGE, Star Warsy, Iconic, fun!" soon you'll be sacrificing noobs on $medley's altar chanting with Obraik and pirrg "kill/diembowel/repeat, kill/disembowel/repeat, kill/disembowel/repeat!". With high priestess Nancy watching over the ceremony as you drape the dead noobs internal organs over the stone idol of $medley.
It's not too late for you, remember the revamp is a lie and soon the four horsemen of the apocalypse will arrive PS3, Launchpad, Station Access and $25. After they have come there'll be nothing left the already dwindling population will be massacred and you with them if you're not carefull! I'm doing this for you, for the sake of your own sanity. Try EVE Online first, there's a free trial or try anything first that's not involced with the $OE cult!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
moenia: 4
theed: 13
mos eisley: 29
coronet: 8
Dantooine mining: 13
mustifar complex: 8
doesn't ivlude anonymous players (like myself) - the /who list is usually lower than actual nubers
These numbers are meaningless. They reflect no true sub count therefore they mean nothing.
Find an SOE employee and get the info from him. That is the only way. Otherwise you are just posting random numbers to make yourself feel good as you can not prove your numbers any more then you can prove mine are wrong.
I say 1,000,000 players where on last night. You say I'm wrong, I say I'm right. Prove it. Whatcha gonna do post a little screenshot of server pops? Thats not valid proof.
So there. End of debate
Face it guys, the game is what it is and its not going away or dieing. People are still playing it despite how much you hate it.
QFT.
moenia: 4
theed: 13
mos eisley: 29
coronet: 8
Dantooine mining: 13
mustifar complex: 8
doesn't ivlude anonymous players (like myself) - the /who list is usually lower than actual nubers
I know you don't want to hear this, but it must be said: First, I would like to hand you a roll of tissue and instructions on how to properly fold it so it does the most good. Besides that brown stuff with the foul stench on your face, I like to look people in the face. That is hard to do covered in poo.
These numbers are meaningless. They reflect no true sub count therefore they mean nothing.
Find an SOE employee and get the info from him. That is the only way. Otherwise you are just posting random numbers to make yourself feel good as you can not prove your numbers any more then you can prove mine are wrong.
Smedley has already said that many people voted with their feet and have left the game. More so after the NGE than even the CU.
I say 1,000,000 players where on last night. You say I'm wrong, I say I'm right. Prove it. Whatcha gonna do post a little screenshot of server pops? Thats not valid proof.
No there were no. They don't have enough server capacity to handle 1milion concurrent users.
So there. End of debate
Face it guys, the game is what it is and its not going away or dieing. People are still playing it despite how much you hate it.
Well, you haven't used the tissue yet. So, if it looks like poo, if it smells like poo, it is poo. If you like to be a swine an swim in it, it is certainly your choice. However, I have a higher expectation for my dollar. I also value my time, and SOE told many players their time was of not value to them. They lied, they were dishonest and they deserve every bit of criticism they get. If you like pending over in the prisoners shower, so be it. But honestly, I don't want to hear hear you whine about it.
So, GAME OVER!
I know you don't want to hear this, but it must be said: First, I would like to hand you a roll of tissue and instructions on how to properly fold it so it does the most good. Besides that brown stuff with the foul stench on your face, I like to look people in the face. That is hard to do covered in poo.
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Well, you haven't used the tissue yet. So, if it looks like poo, if it smells like poo, it is poo. If you like to be a swine an swim in it, it is certainly your choice. However, I have a higher expectation for my dollar. I also value my time, and SOE told many players their time was of not value to them. They lied, they were dishonest and they deserve every bit of criticism they get. If you like pending over in the prisoners shower, so be it. But honestly, I don't want to hear hear you whine about it.
So, GAME OVER!
Don't discount the fact that your opinion is poo.
-d
Waiting on: Pirates of the Burning Sea and Pirates of the Carribean Online
Im not sure, but i THINK the PM system here is broken.
Ive reported it a few times, but MMORPG didnt fixed it so far.
Claude
Im not sure, but i THINK the PM system here is broken.
Ive reported it a few times, but MMORPG didnt fixed it so far.
I got it when he re-sent it
Hey Squidi, please don't take it as a personal attack. I just don't see the validity of the numbers. Shopshots of server populations just are not good enough as there are to many variables. On top of it all that a population check does is make a snapshot of 1 particular second in game. Anything could change from second to second. (more or less at any one instance)
I know you didn't say it but someone here said that there are only a few thousand people playing and they are partially basing it on these numbers. To say that game x does or does not have x amount of subscriptions because a 04:45 and 45 seconds there where x amount of people in x location on x server is a weak agruement at best. I'm not saying your numbers are wrong (which they could be based on the amount of variables involved) but they don't come close to giving a true statisical sample of the entire game.
IF you had a snapshot of ALL servers at a particular time (prime time and off peak times) and place. (the highest and lowest population spots) and of course sampled it over the course of a month to take into account any new and cancel variations, you MIGHT have something to go on. You may also miss out on the portion of the subscribers that may or may not be active at that particular month for whatever personal reasons. Not everyone plays religiously everyday. There is a reaon no one (reviewers and such) guesses at MMO populations, its almost impossible.
(I was in the Insurance industry for six years, honestly you can make numbers say anything you want)
I would think (base on my experience in sales) that any drop in customers MORE then 20% is considered disasterous. If, lets say worse case, they lost 50% (that is a HUGE amount) that would put them at about 127,000 subs. If a business lost 50% of its sales tramaticly like we think it did, you would see a far greater backlash. (of course, again that depends on the stratagy involved and the expected reaction) They may have planned to lose about 20-30 percent of the base. Someone since then is buying all those new starter kits. The worse of the backlash is far past. From that point on its either mild or vigorous growth. I would assume mild because of the reviews and bad PR. I would also think that they will not make that mistake again.
The bad PR probably had far more impact then the lost subs as it damaged the brand name. That will hinder future growth more then anything. The counter to that is, it is Star Wars and Star Wars sells.
They appear to have been willing to sacrifice the old player base in hopes of attracting a larger player base. Since SWG and SOE appear to be in no eminate danager we will have to assume that it is working to some extent. (again based on whatever plan they had) The "plan" is also not a new one. The decission to go to NGE was made long ago. Probably about the time they started tell you about the CU. The CU was to test a few things out before they hit the game with the complete revamp.
Was it right? hmmm maybe, maybe not, we will see. Was it fair? Well, the game does belong to them, you have the proper notices, the company IS responsible for making a profit. So, it was fair in terms of business. It sucks for the the current customer but many business decissions usually do.
Admit it Torag see's dead people and your all just jealous, he can see the souls of all our deleted toons from our cancelled subscriptions.
<Sniff> I wish I could see the amazing lag of Coronet one more time, with the 60 - 180 seconds it would take to get my AV21 out on a good day, I wonder if he could check Euro-Chimeara and see if he can see the spirit of the town Spiritwood on Naboo (a RP Town).
I often wonderhow many cities are left on Dant that actually have transport, and if the EZ crowd finally gave up and got a life.
-virtual tourist
want your game back?
I'm not asking you to come back mate. All posts i see asking that i always assume are SOE devs trying to keep their jobs. All i said is im back and servers have a pulse again. See Chimaera, ive not once had a message that there are no players near when ive done a player search. The numbers seem better than in the few weeks running up to NGE, which since CU we know were way low. I dont like the combat but ive tweaked the game to be as close to the game i remembered. We'll see how the month works out.
Regardless of how i feel about the game, people do seem to be having fun. A lot of players are experiencing the game as you did at first with no idea of what they missed, and are running about enjoying it.
Play or don't play, makes no odds to me.