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Path of Exile Devs: Letting Streamers Bypass Queue 'Clearly a Mistake' | MMORPG.com

SystemSystem Member UncommonPosts: 12,599
edited April 2021 in News & Features Discussion

imagePath of Exile Devs: Letting Streamers Bypass Queue 'Clearly a Mistake' | MMORPG.com

Although Ultimatum, the latest expansion for Path of Exile, launched last week, it wasn't without controversy. Recently, the team at Grinding Gear Games came out and provided a pretty lengthy explanation of what went wrong, including admitting that allowing streamers to bypass the queue was a mistake.

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  • Phixion13Phixion13 Member UncommonPosts: 190
    Letting Streamers play your game un-interrupted is great marketing - no doubt; but I think when your player base can not play at the same they get a sense of jealous and being envious. Those two never make anyone feel that great and thus people are upset.
    [Deleted User]enesisxlr8
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,057
    I personally would have been OK if they only did it for the sponsored streamers who don't really play the game. They spent a ton of money on Shroud for example and he's not competing with anyone. Competitive streamers on the other hand had a massive advantage in their races to first 100.

    Anyway, I'm kind of glad this happened as GGG has half assed things when it comes to league starts. They deserved a massive PR blunder for doing so. They will always have league launch issues as long as they refuse to have a PTR to iron out issues. (Yes I know them forgetting to transfer characters and their stashes to standard is a completely different issue.)

    The question people seem to want answered on their forum is if they've ever buffed a streamers drops. I actually wouldn't be shocked if they did so on very rare occasions just for fun. But I'd expect that was years ago if at all. I expected Chris Wilson to shut down that talk by simply saying that "no, we do not buff streamers loot drops and never will."
    [Deleted User]Setzer
  • supx2supx2 Member UncommonPosts: 26
    like a lot of people already said in reddit, I wouldn't care if they had free pass to the SSF/SSFHC server, but letting them play on the softcore server where trade is a thing was big mistake... All in all this was a bad move in general from GGG
    [Deleted User]k61977Setzer
  • danastydanasty Member UncommonPosts: 20
    and people on reddit mentioned, that a certain group of 6 (streamers) exploited ultimatum mechanic, where one of them stud outside of the circle, which stopped the bar to fill up and they were able to kill huge amount of mobs. that it took some minutes just for the loot to drop!!!

    no idea if they were banned, but yeah...

    this launch was a HUGE fail!
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Following up the harvest controversy with this screw-up is not a good look for GGG.
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    edited April 2021
    "At the end of the day, they are a company., so it is what it is" Best excuse made by most streamers. From a business perspective, of course it would be foolish to not take advantage of free advertising, but when I play a game, I tend to want to escape reality, not be reminded that these guys need to 'save money' to help pay for their 3 cars and side condos.....why Acti-Blizz's Bobby?!?! First world problems man.
  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,878
    edited April 2021

    danasty said:

    and people on reddit mentioned, that a certain group of 6 (streamers) exploited ultimatum mechanic, where one of them stud outside of the circle, which stopped the bar to fill up and they were able to kill huge amount of mobs. that it took some minutes just for the loot to drop!!!



    no idea if they were banned, but yeah...



    this launch was a HUGE fail!



    They were banned from the league, along with 14 other people who exploited it.
  • Veexer_NuiVeexer_Nui Member UncommonPosts: 268
    There's an old interview from Chris Wilson where he says everyone should be on equal footing every league. But now that tencent owns 90% of GGG shares I doubt he cares anymore. Who knows what other 'streamer' perks they have, increased link chance, drop chance ect.

    Empyriangaming (newest member of Method) who exploited the new league mechanic did it for 8 hours straight, it wasn't an 'accident' and he deserved a perma ban.

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  • angerbeaverangerbeaver Member UncommonPosts: 1,273

    Veexer_Nui said:

    There's an old interview from Chris Wilson where he says everyone should be on equal footing every league. But now that tencent owns 90% of GGG shares I doubt he cares anymore. Who knows what other 'streamer' perks they have, increased link chance, drop chance ect.



    Empyriangaming (newest member of Method) who exploited the new league mechanic did it for 8 hours straight, it wasn't an 'accident' and he deserved a perma ban.



    8 hours...loot must have been crazy at the end
  • WebferretWebferret Member UncommonPosts: 90

    Veexer_Nui said:

    There's an old interview from Chris Wilson where he says everyone should be on equal footing every league. But now that tencent owns 90% of GGG shares I doubt he cares anymore. Who knows what other 'streamer' perks they have, increased link chance, drop chance ect.



    Empyriangaming (newest member of Method) who exploited the new league mechanic did it for 8 hours straight, it wasn't an 'accident' and he deserved a perma ban.




    Well Method don't have such a great name these days, so its not surprising from that group.
    FrodoFragins
  • k61977k61977 Member EpicPosts: 1,526
    The biggest issues with letting streamers bypass the queue was that the average player would wait for 180k other players to get in to get booted 15 mins or immediately from the game after waiting to get in. Meanwhile the streamers were hitting midgame or later by the time the average player could get out of the starting area.

    The game rewards players that get ahead. They set market prices for stuff early on in leagues. The game for a lot of people, myself excluded, is based on the currency market. I always play solo leagues so never need to worry about that, but for many it left a bad taste in their mouths.

    Having the streamers pop up with first to arrive here or there every few mins also was just leaving a bad taste in the mouths of a lot of players because it just reminded them that they were not as important to the devs as the streamers. They should have disabled the first notifications as soon as they realized they borked the queues.
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,057
    Veexer_Nui said:
    There's an old interview from Chris Wilson where he says everyone should be on equal footing every league. But now that tencent owns 90% of GGG shares I doubt he cares anymore. Who knows what other 'streamer' perks they have, increased link chance, drop chance ect.

    Empyriangaming (newest member of Method) who exploited the new league mechanic did it for 8 hours straight, it wasn't an 'accident' and he deserved a perma ban.
    Yep.  Most legit companies would permaban people that advertised such exploits on stream for all to see.  Especially considering how long they did it for.
  • UntamedgunnerUntamedgunner Member UncommonPosts: 56
    Players upset that the game they got For Free, launching a Free Expansion ( day one/launch day always login issues nevertheless) complain because the company needs to make money FIRST and put them SECOND. Here’s a nickels worth of free advice to those players. GGG AND EVERY other company/person on the planet Work to make money first and foremost, otherwise it would be a hobby! I know at first some thought that it’d seem like bull sugar. But as some who posted here understand it’s a business first, if they don’t make money we don’t get free expansions. So before some of you go bat poop crazy towards GGG just take in consideration they as with all game developers are working doing a job.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Untamedgunner said:
    Players upset that the game they got For Free, launching a Free Expansion ( day one/launch day always login issues nevertheless) complain because the company needs to make money FIRST and put them SECOND. Here’s a nickels worth of free advice to those players. GGG AND EVERY other company/person on the planet Work to make money first and foremost, otherwise it would be a hobby! I know at first some thought that it’d seem like bull sugar. But as some who posted here understand it’s a business first, if they don’t make money we don’t get free expansions. So before some of you go bat poop crazy towards GGG just take in consideration they as with all game developers are working doing a job.
    Thank you captain obvious but the whole "free" thing is getting pretty long in the tooth especially since the most profitable games on the planet are all "free."

    You can't use that as get out of jail free card to excuse every fuck-up.
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  • kilunkilun Member UncommonPosts: 829
    Streamers are this plague.  Like who are they appealing to streaming on the first day of the launch of a new season of an already successful product? 

    It would make a lot more sense to sponsor streamers a week or two after the initial rush to garner more support than from launch day because few are watching that are on the fence when everyone else is just trying to get in the first day.
  • k61977k61977 Member EpicPosts: 1,526
    edited April 2021

    Untamedgunner said:

    Players upset that the game they got For Free, launching a Free Expansion ( day one/launch day always login issues nevertheless) complain because the company needs to make money FIRST and put them SECOND. Here’s a nickels worth of free advice to those players. GGG AND EVERY other company/person on the planet Work to make money first and foremost, otherwise it would be a hobby! I know at first some thought that it’d seem like bull sugar. But as some who posted here understand it’s a business first, if they don’t make money we don’t get free expansions. So before some of you go bat poop crazy towards GGG just take in consideration they as with all game developers are working doing a job.



    You do realize they may give access to the game away free, but a large portion of their playerbase spend a lot of money on the game itself. They buy the support packs, tabs, cosmetics, to show support to the devs. Devs putting people that most likely never spent a dime on the game ahead of those players was just bad in general. Telling those players they don't have a right to be upset by crap like this is about as stupid as it gets.
    Areteo
  • ProjectghostxProjectghostx Member UncommonPosts: 7
    edited April 2021
    no it's not a mistake it's called business those who complainabout it need to grow up and join reality. i bet the ppl complaining about it are the same ppl who bitch n moan about when they see a celebrity by pass a line in rl or a athelete fucks some hot super model. This is just life, Ppl in diff tax brackets get diff perks. Complaining about special treatment in 2021 come on dude grow up and join reality. Nor does spending $ on the game give them special priov either that's also called buisness hundreds of those ppl i guarentee you were brought to the game from a streamer or a youtuber
    Areteo
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