If "we use blockchain" is the point of a game, then the game is doomed. If blockchain helps you create interesting gameplay, then have at it. But it shouldn't be used as a solution looking for a problem.
It's interesting because even looking at the most "game" one of those on the list Ember Sword, it looks like the entire thing is focused around the exact opposite of what they are advertising. One of the lines on the site says "Gameplay first", but the first thing I see when I go to the site is a "Land Sale" and 3 out of the 5 links at the top of the page which are usually for info about said game are links to Land Sale related topics. I looked at the land sale, they are just putting up 12k plots of land for X amount of crypto which apparently have all sold out. I guess they are making their money, but they have no game yet? This is like a Kickstarter scam for Crypto obsessed people.
This is the first time I have heard of "blockchain mmos." I'm not even sure what this means and/or how this affects gameplay/development/features, etc.
It doesn't, they just don't know what to do anymore in order to be original and unique. In 10 years MMOs will scratch your back or whatever for the same reasons these exist.
When I heard people talking about blockchain MMOs, I really genuinely thought it was just the usual internet exaggerations, a strawman arguement designed to show just how bad the genre has gotten.
I'm kinda shocked to see those people weren't just making shit up.
All these games look terrible. I won't be touching them.
As to the use of blockchain technology in an MMO, I'm not against it. I've done a lot of research into blockchain tech and cryptocurrencies in particular, even invested in a few. But, I can't really see much benefits to games in using the tech.
A blockchain for in-game items could be an interesting thing, useful in preventing duplication exploiters. But if the blockchain is centralised, then it's basically no different from a normal database. If it's decentralised, then you risk overloading the network traffic with endless verifying of new items. I also don't think its worth the effort, just to combat a few exploiters or hackers. These are games we're playing, it really doesn't matter if someone dupes a load of items of gold, if they're caught, devs can just fix it anyway.
And using crypto-currencies for anything financial? Really dumb right now, they're all just way too volatile. Great for short term investors like me, terrible for trying to set a price to charge your customers.
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If "we use blockchain" is the point of a game, then the game is doomed. If blockchain helps you create interesting gameplay, then have at it. But it shouldn't be used as a solution looking for a problem.
Have to agree, so far from what I've read "we use block chain" generates about as much enthusiasm as "we accept MC, Visa, and now... PayPal"
Look, if they want to go full Monty on monitization great, just stick to the standard legal tenders and skip all this distributed ledger / funny money crap.
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Time for a prediction, unless cryptocurrency takes a fall the percentage of MMOs using blockchain will rise and we will see it coming into other areas of gaming and indeed online life.
@stevenweber
[blockquote]Many games use the blockchain to keep track of items.
When an item is part of the blockchain it is generally deemed as an NFT (non-fungible token). Essentially this just means that you can track the item from its creation, to wherever it ends up. The item you own is considered "unique" in that its creation and history is different and verifiable in comparison to all other items, even of the same type. [/blockquote]
another analogy would be to say that the blockchain is used more like a serial number, whereas the 'part number' would be akin to the item name.
Great, more games that will require a degree in finance to understand.
I guess it's a good thing that businesses are finding all sorts of new ways to finance development. Now, if there were equal effort in discovering new ways to actually meet their self-established deadlines.
Remeber the old BBS planet miner games of the late 80's played on 600/1200/2400 bps modems? Using telex? Gprotical, yprotical? That's where we are at in this "space".
Made a post about Dappradar early this morning, I just bought the small planet bundle for 20 bucks. Now i have one of my true first loves back. The love that got me in this tech/computer/game stuff. All shined up and producing joy again.
Oh and tis time aroun I make cash while doing it all over again.
edit - Exciting times guys and gals. I'm no expert, but I know where we are because I've been there. Any questions please don't hesitate to dm!
As mentioned by several posters above the EA market is ruining it for the hard working developers.
IMO this all started when all of the real crappy games could never compete within the aged old subscription model,they would be left out to dry.So all of these studios started to realize ideas to drain money from the hard working studios and put it into their own pockets.
Many years ago it became very evident by many posters that nobody wanted to support more than 1-2 subscriptions.So that made it even easier for the f2p idea to materialize.
This trend of curbing gamers to the crappy less hard working studios began several years ago already.These Blockchain games is just yet more proof the industry is way more geared towards making money than making good games.
There isn't even any incentive to make good games as the low budget crap is proving to make bus loads of money.
So HOW does a SERIOUS developer compete in a flooded market?Let's say a studio truly wants to make a AAA game ,can they afford to do it,can they RISK the expensive long term investment?Could that studio look the other way,not look at all the cheap games making money,i doubt it on all accounts.
So we have ourselves to BLAME,we supported this crap FOOLISHLY spending billions on these cash grab cash shop crap.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I can't even see this changing for the next 20 years,the ONLY way this BS ever stops is an outright recession so that gamers are way more selective in what they play and how they spend money.
So the trend towards crappy games with heavy monetization may be here for another 20/30...50 years.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I can't even see this changing for the next 20 years,the ONLY way this BS ever stops is an outright recession so that gamers are way more selective in what they play and how they spend money.
So the trend towards crappy games with heavy monetization may be here for another 20/30...50 years.
Recession? Inflation? It's happening. Gamers are choosing.
I can't even see this changing for the next 20 years,the ONLY way this BS ever stops is an outright recession so that gamers are way more selective in what they play and how they spend money.
So the trend towards crappy games with heavy monetization may be here for another 20/30...50 years.
Recession? Inflation? It's happening. Gamers are choosing.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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This is the first time I have heard of "blockchain mmos." I'm not even sure what this means and/or how this affects gameplay/development/features, etc.
They come up with terms every day that no one knows where they come from or what they mean....I often feel like I have time warped and came back 50 years into the future.
I wouldnt just blindly shit on all this, approach with extreme caution for sure.
People have made bank playing real cash economy games.
If i sell all my entropia shit, i think i come out 3k+ usd.
Also, if i bought calypso land deeds whrn they first came out 10 years ago for $100 apiece with dividends about 15% per year, id have made 350% profit since then.
There are people in entropia paying their bills with the game.
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I wouldnt just blindly shit on all this, approach with extreme caution for sure.
People have made bank playing real cash economy games.
If i sell all my entropia shit, i think i come out 3k+ usd.
Also, if i bought calypso land deeds whrn they first came out 10 years ago for $100 apiece with dividends about 15% per year, id have made 350% profit since then.
There are people in entropia paying their bills with the game.
Except paying my bills isn't at all why I play games .... and it's all about me don't cha know.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, fire damage restoration mold michigan playing The Elder Scrolls Online at the moment. This trend of curbing gamers to the crappy less hard working studios began several years ago already.These Blockchain games is just yet more proof the industry is way more geared towards making money than making good games.
If these companies even spent half the time and effort they put into monetization schemes on making actual innovative new MMORPGs we might have some good games to play.
"You CAN'T buy ships for RL money." - MaxBacon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
If these companies even spent half the time and effort they put into monetization schemes on making actual innovative new MMORPGs we might have some good games to play.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing The Elder Scrolls Online at the moment. This trend of curbing gamers to the crappy less hard working studios began several years ago already.These Blockchain games is just yet more proof the industry is way more geared towards making money than making good games.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
If these companies even spent half the time and effort they put into monetization schemes on making actual innovative new MMORPGs we might have some good games to play.
Yeah, but there's no money in your approach.
No there is still money. Just not cash shops. I bought games for decades with box, expansion and subscriptions. That's how the entire genre was for over a decade.
It's just not all the money and maximum greed. Gotta fire those 800 people and get Bobby his big old bonus.
It's also not exploiting people with loot boxes money.
"You CAN'T buy ships for RL money." - MaxBacon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
I wouldnt just blindly shit on all this, approach with extreme caution for sure.
People have made bank playing real cash economy games.
If i sell all my entropia shit, i think i come out 3k+ usd.
Also, if i bought calypso land deeds whrn they first came out 10 years ago for $100 apiece with dividends about 15% per year, id have made 350% profit since then.
There are people in entropia paying their bills with the game.
True, there are people who pay their bills with games.
But the big difference is that with games like Entropia and Roblox most money is earned because they've got players who are happy to lose money when they use stuff. Wheres these blockchain MMOs are more like a pyramid scheme where everyone treats it as an investment and expects its value to increase.
@stevenweber
[blockquote]Many games use the blockchain to keep track of items.
When an item is part of the blockchain it is generally deemed as an NFT (non-fungible token). Essentially this just means that you can track the item from its creation, to wherever it ends up. The item you own is considered "unique" in that its creation and history is different and verifiable in comparison to all other items, even of the same type. [/blockquote]
another analogy would be to say that the blockchain is used more like a serial number, whereas the 'part number' would be akin to the item name.
This may explain it perfectly, but I've yet to see a benefit from knowing that my Item of Niftyness dropped from FippyDarkpaw_7831245918. It may be considered "unique", but it's exactly the same as the Item of Niftyness dropped from FippyDarkpaw_7831245914. At best, I can see blockchain as being an excessively elaborate anti-item-duping system. As @Quizzical said above, a solution looking for a problem.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
I can't even see this changing for the next 20 years,the ONLY way this BS ever stops is an outright recession so that gamers are way more selective in what they play and how they spend money.
So the trend towards crappy games with heavy monetization may be here for another 20/30...50 years.
Recession? Inflation? It's happening. Gamers are choosing.
Zombie Apocalypse is the one I'm rooting for.
Far more worrying and apologies if mentioned before is that people put zombies in their top five of potential disasters that may effect the world. Up their with recession and the likes are zombies. Not joking, they really put that in as a concern!
I can't even see this changing for the next 20 years,the ONLY way this BS ever stops is an outright recession so that gamers are way more selective in what they play and how they spend money.
So the trend towards crappy games with heavy monetization may be here for another 20/30...50 years.
Recession? Inflation? It's happening. Gamers are choosing.
Zombie Apocalypse is the one I'm rooting for.
Far more worrying and apologies if mentioned before is that people put zombies in their top five of potential disasters that may effect the world. Up their with recession and the likes are zombies. Not joking, they really put that in as a concern!
Around here we don’t call them zombies, we call them crack heads.
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It doesn't, they just don't know what to do anymore in order to be original and unique. In 10 years MMOs will scratch your back or whatever for the same reasons these exist.
Look, if they want to go full Monty on monitization great, just stick to the standard legal tenders and skip all this distributed ledger / funny money crap.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
[blockquote]Many games use the blockchain to keep track of items.
When an item is part of the blockchain it is generally deemed as an NFT (non-fungible token). Essentially this just means that you can track the item from its creation, to wherever it ends up. The item you own is considered "unique" in that its creation and history is different and verifiable in comparison to all other items, even of the same type. [/blockquote]
another analogy would be to say that the blockchain is used more like a serial number, whereas the 'part number' would be akin to the item name.
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Here you go fresh for 2021.
Made a post about Dappradar early this morning, I just bought the small planet bundle for 20 bucks. Now i have one of my true first loves back. The love that got me in this tech/computer/game stuff. All shined up and producing joy again.
Oh and tis time aroun I make cash while doing it all over again.
edit - Exciting times guys and gals. I'm no expert, but I know where we are because I've been there. Any questions please don't hesitate to dm!
IMO this all started when all of the real crappy games could never compete within the aged old subscription model,they would be left out to dry.So all of these studios started to realize ideas to drain money from the hard working studios and put it into their own pockets.
Many years ago it became very evident by many posters that nobody wanted to support more than 1-2 subscriptions.So that made it even easier for the f2p idea to materialize.
This trend of curbing gamers to the crappy less hard working studios began several years ago already.These Blockchain games is just yet more proof the industry is way more geared towards making money than making good games.
There isn't even any incentive to make good games as the low budget crap is proving to make bus loads of money.
So HOW does a SERIOUS developer compete in a flooded market?Let's say a studio truly wants to make a AAA game ,can they afford to do it,can they RISK the expensive long term investment?Could that studio look the other way,not look at all the cheap games making money,i doubt it on all accounts.
So we have ourselves to BLAME,we supported this crap FOOLISHLY spending billions on these cash grab cash shop crap.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
So the trend towards crappy games with heavy monetization may be here for another 20/30...50 years.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
They come up with terms every day that no one knows where they come from or what they mean....I often feel like I have time warped and came back 50 years into the future.
People have made bank playing real cash economy games.
If i sell all my entropia shit, i think i come out 3k+ usd.
Also, if i bought calypso land deeds whrn they first came out 10 years ago for $100 apiece with dividends about 15% per year, id have made 350% profit since then.
There are people in entropia paying their bills with the game.
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
This trend of curbing gamers to the crappy less hard working studios began several years ago already.These Blockchain games is just yet more proof the industry is way more geared towards making money than making good games.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
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Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
It's just not all the money and maximum greed. Gotta fire those 800 people and get Bobby his big old bonus.
It's also not exploiting people with loot boxes money.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/But the big difference is that with games like Entropia and Roblox most money is earned because they've got players who are happy to lose money when they use stuff. Wheres these blockchain MMOs are more like a pyramid scheme where everyone treats it as an investment and expects its value to increase.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee