stop the flame.

Bulldog12289 · May 2006

I have been following this game for awhile now, no I have not beta tested it, which might be the reason why im still interested in the game.......BUT the game looks like it could very very very good. Yes I know there are tons of problems and it could be the worst, but shouldn't people just stop flaming it and just wait to see how it is.

Seriously, everyone was so pumped up about EQ2, and personally i think the game was terrible. Everyone on the forums were so intrested saying it would be the best game ever, and after it takes 40 min to walk through the city your already sick of playing the game.

The point im trying to make is that noone can really tell if a game is going to be good or not, so just stop saying it will be terrible and see what happends on the 30th.

PS- PvPers, I don't see any other good pvp games coming out anytime soon, so if you know of any let me know.

Unknown · May 2006

yeh okay SHill, when the game is playable in any acceptable manner perhaps it will stop. As it is now, they have even haulted the stress test !!!! LOL These arent "FLAMES" as you call them...they are TRUTH. The TRUTH of the matter is, the game is unplayable. It has already been stated by Farlan that SOG was indeed the beta for DNL -- so yeh, we HAVE tested the game, we KNOW whats wrong with it, if you choose to ignore the posts, thats your life, but dont expect people to shut up about a game they ARE "playing" (trying to play is more the phrase appropriate to this game). After hours and hours and hours of a download, they can only say, OOPS! We have a bug! You cant play this now. Wait for us to fix this issue. DUH! The devs have admitted they dont have the expertise or the experience to run the engine they have hacked and slashed up to prevent any legal tangles with the true developer of it. Thats not a flame, its the TRUTH. The game is unplayable. That is not a flame, its the TRUTH. The graphics are displaced. Thats not a flame , its the TRUTH. (check out any of the screenshots with buildings of any sort, check the shadows too). They admitted only 60-70% is ready for launch, not to mention what the 40-30% that was promised will be available. Thats not a flame, thats the TRUTH. They admitted only 40% of the big world will be available at release. After 7 yrs production, thats all they could come up with. Thats not a flame, thats the TRUTH. The combat is horrible. Thats not a flame, its the TRUTH. THe devs have postponed so many times, nobody believes them anymore. Thats not a flame, its the TRUTH.

Soooo until they fix this game to a state that is an acceptable playable manner, none of this is a flame, its the TRUTH. Some ppl however "cant handle the truth".

PeaCee · May 2006

I have followed it for a while aswell, to bad that there is no game to talk about. All we have is a giant money scam XD

IKShadow · May 2006

Originally posted by LilBoPeep

yeh okay SHill, when the game is playable in any acceptable manner perhaps it will stop. As it is now, they have even haulted the stress test !!!! LOL These arent "FLAMES" as you call them...they are TRUTH.

The TRUTH of the matter is, the game is unplayable.
No realy true, SoG was playable but had huge stability problems first month.
It has already been stated by Farlan that SOG was indeed the beta for DNL -- so yeh, we HAVE tested the game, we KNOW whats wrong with it, if you choose to ignore the posts, thats your life, but dont expect people to shut up about a game they ARE "playing" (trying to play is more the phrase appropriate to this game).
There was a quite few things wrong in SoG and it lack a lot of features and content.

After hours and hours and hours of a download, they can only say, OOPS! We have a bug! You cant play this now. Wait for us to fix this issue. DUH!
True it was kinda lame but expected from Farlan. OK everyone expect certain problems at stress test but majority of ppl did not even got the chance to log in.

The devs have admitted they dont have the expertise or the experience to run the engine they have hacked and slashed up to prevent any legal tangles with the true developer of it. Thats not a flame, its the TRUTH.
Khmm thats just BS, they admited that they removed some part of the code programed by Pix. Hehe prevent legal tangles nice one.

The game is unplayable. That is not a flame, its the TRUTH.
Shure, SoG was turned off 15.May, Today stress test failed.

The graphics are displaced. Thats not a flame , its the TRUTH. (check out any of the screenshots with buildings of any sort, check the shadows too).
Nothing big deal (but true)... the risk you take when you allow players to build stuff ( they annonced that building will be possible on more or less flat areas... In SoG you could build where ever you wanted so half of fort could stick over the mountain )

They admitted only 60-70% is ready for launch, not to mention what the 40-30% that was promised will be available. Thats not a flame, thats the TRUTH.

True more or less 70% of planed features will be avalible at release, they mentioned that most of missing 30% is high end. ( dont take their word on it )

They admitted only 40% of the big world will be available at release. After 7 yrs production, thats all they could come up with. Thats not a flame, thats the TRUTH.
True, but mainly to control population. the world is too big and if they dont get enough subscribers it would be to empty. ( and yea content is probably also missing on those 60% of the world)

The combat is horrible. Thats not a flame, its the TRUTH.
Personaly I liked SoG combat but it looked kind a funy, most of combat animation was missing. ( they announced that is fixed ... cant tell till release )

THe devs have postponed so many times, nobody believes them anymore. Thats not a flame, its the TRUTH.

False, around 5% of ppl involved around DnL still belive them .
Soooo until they fix this game to a state that is an acceptable playable manner, none of this is a flame, its the TRUTH. Some ppl however "cant handle the truth".

Some can handl the truth and still follow DnL.

Originally posted by PeaCee
I have followed it for a while aswell, to bad that there is no game to talk about. All we have is a giant money scam XD

No scam ... everyone who wanted got refound ... bare in mind some of ppl did wait for a while to get refound.

Turtlepower · May 2006

I think the real question is...

If y'all have given up on the game, why do you even care? Why do some people post here every day, complaining over and over and over again about how bad it is/will be? Personally, I'd just go look for a new game. Which is what I'll do if/when DnL turns out to be a disaster. Until then, though, it's nice to dream.

Jackdog · May 2006

Originally posted by Turtlepower

I think the real question is...
If y'all have given up on the game, why do you even care? Why do some people post here every day, complaining over and over and over again about how bad it is/will be? Personally, I'd just go look for a new game. Which is what I'll do if/when DnL turns out to be a disaster. Until then, though, it's nice to dream.

Just speaking for myself here but for the last year or so watching the development of this game has been pure slapstick. Sort of like watching an old black and white movie called "The Three stooges Make a MMORPG" or maybe "Abbot and Costelo Learn C++" Pure entertainment baby

Amathe · May 2006

This game has all the hallmarks of a company that bit off way more than it can chew. I don't think the Devs are bad people or that they are incompetent. I just think they tried to do way too much out the gate. This looks like a game that I might look at after it has been live for 2 years. But before that, I don't plan to touch this one.

Jackdog · May 2006

I don't think they are evil incarnate myself. Just a bunch of gamers that had some ideas over a tabletop game of DnD one night and tried to run before they could walk. Problem is they should have admitted that long before this and died a graceful death like Wish and Dragon Realms did.

dimaryp · May 2006

People won't stop flamming, just ingore those.

D

Cholayna · May 2006

Originally posted by IKShadow

Originally posted by LilBoPeep

yeh okay SHill, when the game is playable in any acceptable manner perhaps it will stop. As it is now, they have even haulted the stress test !!!! LOL These arent "FLAMES" as you call them...they are TRUTH.

The TRUTH of the matter is, the game is unplayable.
No realy true, SoG was playable but had huge stability problems first month.

Not really true either, the stability issue is still there and evident by the most recent crash of the stress with less than a few hundred in it. What he stated is true.

It has already been stated by Farlan that SOG was indeed the beta for DNL -- so yeh, we HAVE tested the game, we KNOW whats wrong with it, if you choose to ignore the posts, thats your life, but dont expect people to shut up about a game they ARE "playing" (trying to play is more the phrase appropriate to this game).
There was a quite few things wrong in SoG and it lack a lot of features and content.

So what he stated is true.

After hours and hours and hours of a download, they can only say, OOPS! We have a bug! You cant play this now. Wait for us to fix this issue. DUH!
True it was kinda lame but expected from Farlan. OK everyone expect certain problems at stress test but majority of ppl did not even got the chance to log in.

So what he stated is true.

The devs have admitted they dont have the expertise or the experience to run the engine they have hacked and slashed up to prevent any legal tangles with the true developer of it. Thats not a flame, its the TRUTH.
Khmm thats just BS, they admited that they removed some part of the code programed by Pix. Hehe prevent legal tangles nice one.

They removed part of the code programmed by _Pix_ because they dont know how to do it but I can see also by changing just a bit of it, they can now call it their creation. Unless and until you know the legal ramifications, which none of us do btw, his statement is opinion only and so is yours. However, the facts of the matter are it is one in a myriad of legal tangles with Farlan. So what he stated is true.

The game is unplayable. That is not a flame, its the TRUTH.
Shure, SoG was turned off 15.May, Today stress test failed.

The game had stability issues from day 1 of SOG and even the old beta testers have stated the instability issues. The game is not playable in industry standards and is further evidenced by the failed stress. So what he stated is true.
The graphics are displaced. Thats not a flame , its the TRUTH. (check out any of the screenshots with buildings of any sort, check the shadows too).
Nothing big deal (but true)... the risk you take when you allow players to build stuff ( they annonced that building will be possible on more or less flat areas... In SoG you could build where ever you wanted so half of fort could stick over the mountain )

So you agree the graphics are crap. The screenshots do NOT show player made buildings or shadows or models. The buildings in the screenshots were not player made. Twisting this into these are now screenshots of player made buildings is a flat out lie again from you. Empty buildings, displaced stalls, shadows are incorrect and in a few appear to come from nothing at all, nearly all are off base and off center. So what he stated is true.

They admitted only 60-70% is ready for launch, not to mention what the 40-30% that was promised will be available. Thats not a flame, thats the TRUTH.

True more or less 70% of planed features will be avalible at release, they mentioned that most of missing 30% is high end. ( dont take their word on it )

So what he stated is true.

They admitted only 40% of the big world will be available at release. After 7 yrs production, thats all they could come up with. Thats not a flame, thats the TRUTH.
True, but mainly to control population. the world is too big and if they dont get enough subscribers it would be to empty. ( and yea content is probably also missing on those 60% of the world)

So what he stated is true.

The combat is horrible. Thats not a flame, its the TRUTH.
Personaly I liked SoG combat but it looked kind a funy, most of combat animation was missing. ( they announced that is fixed ... cant tell till release )

Personal opinion aside, and stated by Farlan too, that combat indeed needs work, besides just the animation. So what he stated is true.

THe devs have postponed so many times, nobody believes them anymore. Thats not a flame, its the TRUTH.

False, around 5% of ppl involved around DnL still belive them .

5% of what? Would you agrue this point if the word he used instead was MOST? Nvm, you seem to argue semantics more than points.

Soooo until they fix this game to a state that is an acceptable playable manner, none of this is a flame, its the TRUTH. Some ppl however "cant handle the truth".

Some can handl the truth and still follow DnL.

What he stated is true. Some ppl cant handle the truth. Its a simple statement, no need for semantics and by the actions of a few posters here, it is quite evident.

Originally posted by PeaCee
I have followed it for a while aswell, to bad that there is no game to talk about. All we have is a giant money scam XD

No scam ... everyone who wanted got refound ... bare in mind some of ppl did wait for a while to get refound.

And add that some were told a flat out "no" by Farlan, in which all they had to do was call their credit card company. Some still arent aware of that fact-- no matter what Farlan tells them, all they have to do is call thier credit card company. A sale of which the promised intent is not delivered is a null and void sale and can be charged back to the retailer. Making ppl take an extreme measure in calling for a charge reversal is indeed a money grubbing attitude and action. Telling ppl its a preorder sale when in fact its a beta test that had been denied before is in fact a misleading incentive to purchase, announcing a beta but limiting it to those who purchase first: yeh, the only thing to logically surmise from these actions are all they want is the money. And ppl paid to play a alpha/beta. So what he stated is true.

I, it seems that you are back at your old tricks. Arguing mute pts, twisting statements, arguing semantics instead of the issue. In these actions alone, it would appear that the truth does and can hurt.

Unknown · May 2006

thanx Cholayna, couldnt have said it better. I knew he would come back with some sort of argument.Seems he was arguing though the same truths and couldnt even see it for himself. Just for the sake of argument. It does not a discussion make.

AumHybrid · May 2006

We will all see when it comes out. I think it is unfair to judge off of testing and betas. It all comes down to the release and I for one will be there for it seeing as how IF this game lives up to what it says it will be, it will be perfect for me.

Zorbane · May 2006

Originally posted by AumHybrid

We will all see when it comes out. I think it is unfair to judge off of testing and betas. It all comes down to the release and I for one will be there for it seeing as how IF this game lives up to what it says it will be, it will be perfect for me.

what testing and beta

They haven't tested since december

They think now they'll test and fix all the bugs in a week

Cholayna · May 2006

yup, wait and wait and wait and wait and see. You echo what many have said since '02. I do hope your wishes come through but if this first "test" doesnt tell you anything, you are very patient indeed. I will remind you too tho, that we were all told to "wait and see" about the stress test. See what I mean? Good luck to you in your hopes, cant blame ya for it.

Vyava · May 2006

Originally posted by Cholayna
yup, wait and wait and wait and wait and see. You echo what many have said since '02. I do hope your wishes come through but if this first "test" doesnt tell you anything, you are very patient indeed. I will remind you too tho, that we were all told to "wait and see" about the stress test. See what I mean? Good luck to you in your hopes, cant blame ya for it.

I'll respect that the dev team can possibly make a game of some value when they start treating me as if I have some value.

So, until then...DnL is worthless.

IKShadow · May 2006

Originally posted by Cholayna
I, it seems that you are back at your old tricks. Arguing mute pts, twisting statements, arguing semantics instead of the issue. In these actions alone, it would appear that the truth does and can hurt.

I would say you just did that.

Under my posts where I clearly stated True you posted "So what he stated is true."

I remember times when you liked it (still have that nice PM ), but its seems you started to hate me ( think it started with Pix arrival ) .

Iam realy sorry to see that what ever I post you dont like and always try to put me down.

Hmm mybe I should become "hater" will you like me then ?

I never blindly belived in Farlan/NP3 and what ever I posted I belived in, was I wrong shure in some cases yes in some no.

p.s. Have a nice day.

Kilim · May 2006

Originally posted by IKShadow

Originally posted by Cholayna
I, it seems that you are back at your old tricks. Arguing mute pts, twisting statements, arguing semantics instead of the issue. In these actions alone, it would appear that the truth does and can hurt.

I would say you just did that.

Under my posts where I clearly stated True you posted "So what he stated is true."

I remember times when you liked it (still have that nice PM ), but its seems you started to hate me ( think it started with Pix arrival ) .

Iam realy sorry to see that what ever I post you dont like and always try to put me down.

Hmm mybe I should become "hater" will you like me then ?

I never blindly belived in Farlan/NP3 and what ever I posted I belived in, was I wrong shure in some cases yes in some no.

p.s. Have a nice day.

I think the real issue here IK is this.
You ask for soemthing and it is given to you yet you completely ignore it or turn it around.

This is no popularity contest on having everyone like you or not.

Its like if you ask if the world is round.
EVERYONE has given you ALL the possible facts about the world being round.
Yet you keep insisting the world is flat and then attack those that tried to help you.

Hope that makes the whole picture clearer.

kishe · May 2006

I'll never flame DnL...for same reason I don't beat up the old or crippled either...

evilmaster · May 2006

I have to admit I am just watching the forums here and over at their website just for entertainment. I started to watch the game years ago - really excited, now only disappointed, but reading through the forums regarding this mess is often just fun. Too bad the climax is coming this month ^^

See you in Vanguard ::::01::

indiramourn · May 2006

Originally posted by kishe
I'll never flame DnL...for same reason I don't beat up the old or crippled either...

Reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon where after Dilbert is the victim of a particularly pitiful situation:

Dilbert: Aren't you going to insult me now?

Dogbert: Nope. You've taken all the fun out of it.

Riotgirl · May 2006

Originally posted by kishe
I'll never flame DnL...for same reason I don't beat up the old or crippled either...

Get your kicks in early - that way, you don't feel cheap when you kick 'em when their down, as you've been kicking them all along :P

In all honesty, I agree with Jackdog. I don't think there was malicious intent ala Egomancer and Mourning, I just feel that Farlan bit off more - much more - than they could chew. Unfortunately, the development of the game up to this point, promises, delays, more promises, delays, pioneers pre-order, SoG, delays, more delays and finally a date set in stone (May 30th), means that there will be absolute no leeway to fix gaming issues (if indeed, DnL isn't fundamentally flawed i.e. complete new gaming engine required, or a major overhaul).

The real kick in the gonads is charging top whack for DnL. Uh huh. No way, buddy. We're half-way through 2006, and like it or not, WoW has raised the bar for MMORPGs.

With dedication, professionalism, community support (ha!), commercial acumen and a degree of luck, the developers may, just may be able to pull this off. But not Farlan. There will be a zero grace period, no honeymoon because community relations have been flushed down the toilet; all bridges well and truly burnt.

DnL may be better than SoG, and may satisfy people if the technical issues are sorted out, but I suspect the vast majority of people will have already passed over DnL. If they haven't, they will compare it to other products on the market and it will be found sorely lacking.

In a way, I'm a little bit sad that it is coming to a denouement. Will I miss the drama? Or is it yet another title that over-promises and fails to deliver?

If I look at DnL through the 'glass-half-full' prism, hopefully other indie or small developers will hold up the DnL model as not what to do.

Regards,
Riotgirl

kishe · May 2006

The game itself wasn't more than they could chew...it was the hype they built...

A little of rock solid promises can build you good size solid following...

Alot of "moon from the sky" type of promises can create you a huge following at first but in the end it will be your games doom.

Cholayna · June 2006

Originally posted by AumHybrid

We will all see when it comes out. I think it is unfair to judge off of testing and betas. It all comes down to the release and I for one will be there for it seeing as how IF this game lives up to what it says it will be, it will be perfect for me.

Soooooo, how was your day?

Cholayna · June 2006

Originally posted by IKShadow

Originally posted by Cholayna
I, it seems that you are back at your old tricks. Arguing mute pts, twisting statements, arguing semantics instead of the issue. In these actions alone, it would appear that the truth does and can hurt.

I would say you just did that.

Under my posts where I clearly stated True you posted "So what he stated is true."
REad the beginning of your post again. The one I replied to.

I remember times when you liked it (still have that nice PM ), but its seems you started to hate me ( think it started with Pix arrival ) .
I never Pm'd you! SHOW ME! And I dont hate you, I just hate your bs posts.

Iam realy sorry to see that what ever I post you dont like and always try to put me down.
Your posts put yourself down.

Hmm mybe I should become "hater" will you like me then ?
hmmmm. Nope. Sorry.

I never blindly belived in Farlan/NP3 and what ever I posted I belived in, was I wrong shure in some cases yes in some no.
and in the cases where you werent wrong..........?????

p.s. Have a nice day.
I have and I did , especially when DNL was released.

IKShadow · June 2006

Originally posted by Cholayna

Originally posted by IKShadow

Originally posted by Cholayna
I, it seems that you are back at your old tricks. Arguing mute pts, twisting statements, arguing semantics instead of the issue. In these actions alone, it would appear that the truth does and can hurt.

I would say you just did that.

Under my posts where I clearly stated True you posted "So what he stated is true."
REad the beginning of your post again. The one I replied to.
?

I remember times when you liked it (still have that nice PM ), but its seems you started to hate me ( think it started with Pix arrival ) .
I never Pm'd you! SHOW ME! And I dont hate you, I just hate your bs posts.

OK:

http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cholayna10aa.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cholayna23jm.jpg

Iam realy sorry to see that what ever I post you dont like and always try to put me down.
Your posts put yourself down.
hmm if you say so

Hmm mybe I should become "hater" will you like me then ?
hmmmm. Nope. Sorry.

I never blindly belived in Farlan/NP3 and what ever I posted I belived in, was I wrong shure in some cases yes in some no.
and in the cases where you werent wrong..........?????
Admit it if was asked

p.s. Have a nice day.
I have and I did , especially when DNL was released.
I thought DNL is released 5.Jun. 2006 ?
As stated on their offical site (mmorpg.com etc ...) ... or you count prerelease in it ... and even that was quite smooth

AngryFoo · June 2006

Shadow is a respectful type of person, so let us try to remain calm.

Save all your vile and venom for the DnL faithful that immediately insult you when you try to post anything critical of this game. It does not matter what your opinion of the game is, we have little reason to claw at eachother like this.

I am glad to see some of the game's supporters still here, to understand how they still have hope for this game after all that has happened...

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