PAX West 2021 Ups Its Covid-19 Policies, Will Require Proof Of Vaccination Or Negative Covid Test |

System · July 2021

PAX West 2021 Ups Its Covid-19 Policies, Will Require Proof Of Vaccination Or Negative Covid Test | MMORPG.com

Earlier today, the organizers of the Penny Arcade Expo have announced that the upcoming PAX West 2021 will have stricter Covid-19 policies in play. While before the event was simply requiring that every attendee, vaccinated or not, wear a mask, the event organizers announced today that attendees will now need to prove they've taken the vaccine or have a negative Covid-19 test result.

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Quizzical · July 2021

The good vaccines aren't perfect, but they are awfully good. If a vaccine makes the difference between you staying home for a week while obviously sick versus having an asymptomatic case instead, then the vaccine did its job. Similarly, if a vaccine is the difference between getting hospitalized for a week versus having a minor case of the sniffles, the vaccine did its job.

Packing a bunch of people who have travelled from all over the place into a small, indoor space is just about the most dangerous thing you can do for COVID. That's pretty much what big conventions are, so for them to have more stringent requirements than most other places is reasonable. If you don't like their restrictions, you can decline to attend and thus not have to abide by their restrictions at all.

Coated · July 2021

Gaming doesn't exactly attract the most healthy people either. What is a better headline?

"Gaming event spreads covid, with multiple hospitalized and several dead"

or

"Gaming event spreads covid, but everyone is ok because they were vaccinated"

I'm not in PR or anything, but the second option seems better.

Sovrath · July 2021

Aori said:

I find it a bit intrusive personally. Their choice and all, I'd personally not attend as I feel it isn't their business.

If you're concerned about getting sick, you shouldn't attend such events to begin with, especially right now when the uptick has exploded.

A vaccine isn't immunity and doesn't prevent you from spreading it.

Well, technically, it is their business as their business is to provide a safe and enjoyable experience for all that attend.

Also, vaccines provide a good amount of immunity, though nothing is perfect, and the COVID vaccines reduce the risk of spreading.

So in a world where nothing is guaranteed and nothing is perfect, that's the best you are going to get.

Groqstrong · July 2021

Aori said:

Sovrath said:

Aori said:

I find it a bit intrusive personally. Their choice and all, I'd personally not attend as I feel it isn't their business.

If you're concerned about getting sick, you shouldn't attend such events to begin with, especially right now when the uptick has exploded.

A vaccine isn't immunity and doesn't prevent you from spreading it.

Well, technically, it is their business as their business is to provide a safe and enjoyable experience for all that attend.

Also, vaccines provide a good amount of immunity, though nothing is perfect, and the COVID vaccines reduce the risk of spreading.

So in a world where nothing is guaranteed and nothing is perfect, that's the best you are going to get.

Which is fine, I just said it was personal feeling. I don't trust people with certain levels of information. Also how are you even going to verify the authenticity of it?

People are going to get Covid at PAX. People who aren't vaccinated are going to be in attendance. You can still have or spread Covid while negative. You can get and spread it even with the vaccine.

I'm just staunchly against the idea of big events right now, throwing 1000s of people into a box when there is such an uptick is just stupid to me.

Your credit card and cell phone know more about you than a vax card ever could.

Iselin · July 2021

Aori said:
I'm just staunchly against the idea of big events right now, throwing 1000s of people into a box when there is such an uptick is just stupid to me.

I agree with that part although I understand why it's happening: people are just desperately wanting to get back to pre-Covid normalcy. I just think it's still too soon to be doing that

I think I'll keep practicing agoraphobia for a little while still.

Quizzical · July 2021

Groqstrong said:

Aori said:

Sovrath said:

Aori said:

I find it a bit intrusive personally. Their choice and all, I'd personally not attend as I feel it isn't their business.

If you're concerned about getting sick, you shouldn't attend such events to begin with, especially right now when the uptick has exploded.

A vaccine isn't immunity and doesn't prevent you from spreading it.

Well, technically, it is their business as their business is to provide a safe and enjoyable experience for all that attend.

Also, vaccines provide a good amount of immunity, though nothing is perfect, and the COVID vaccines reduce the risk of spreading.

So in a world where nothing is guaranteed and nothing is perfect, that's the best you are going to get.

Which is fine, I just said it was personal feeling. I don't trust people with certain levels of information. Also how are you even going to verify the authenticity of it?

People are going to get Covid at PAX. People who aren't vaccinated are going to be in attendance. You can still have or spread Covid while negative. You can get and spread it even with the vaccine.

I'm just staunchly against the idea of big events right now, throwing 1000s of people into a box when there is such an uptick is just stupid to me.

Your credit card and cell phone know more about you than a vax card ever could.

Until they build the vax card into your credit card and cell phone to combat vax card fraud.

Quizzical · July 2021

Iselin said:

Aori said:
I'm just staunchly against the idea of big events right now, throwing 1000s of people into a box when there is such an uptick is just stupid to me.

I agree with that part although I understand why it's happening: people are just desperately wanting to get back to pre-Covid normalcy. I just think it's still too soon to be doing that

I think I'll keep practicing agoraphobia for a little while still.

For the most part, if you're vaccinated with one of the good vaccines, you're at minimal risk from COVID. There are exceptions for some people who would otherwise be at extremely high risk. But outside of that, you can mostly opt out of the pandemic by getting vaccinated, and then be at less risk from COVID than from the seasonal flu in a typical year.

If you're vaccinated and still nominally catch COVID but have such a mild case that not only are you asymptomatic, but even a 10x worse case would still be asymptomatic, then so what? We don't vaccinate you to prevent situations so minor that only a very sensitive test would be able to detect that anything is abnormal. We don't even vaccinate you to prevent a minor case of the sniffles. We vaccinate people to prevent serious diseases that would seriously harm or even kill people.

As I see it, you don't have to completely eliminate COVID before life can return to normal. We've learned to live with influenza without shutting down society. If you can bring COVID down to being less of a problem than the flu typically is, then that's good enough.

Sovrath · July 2021

Aori said:

Sovrath said:

Aori said:

I find it a bit intrusive personally. Their choice and all, I'd personally not attend as I feel it isn't their business.

If you're concerned about getting sick, you shouldn't attend such events to begin with, especially right now when the uptick has exploded.

A vaccine isn't immunity and doesn't prevent you from spreading it.

Well, technically, it is their business as their business is to provide a safe and enjoyable experience for all that attend.

Also, vaccines provide a good amount of immunity, though nothing is perfect, and the COVID vaccines reduce the risk of spreading.

So in a world where nothing is guaranteed and nothing is perfect, that's the best you are going to get.

Which is fine, I just said it was personal feeling. I don't trust people with certain levels of information. Also how are you even going to verify the authenticity of it?

People are going to get Covid at PAX. People who aren't vaccinated are going to be in attendance. You can still have or spread Covid while negative. You can get and spread it even with the vaccine.

I'm just staunchly against the idea of big events right now, throwing 1000s of people into a box when there is such an uptick is just stupid to me.

I would agree with your last paragraph.

I mean, for me, I go to PAX every year but will not be going until this thing has blown over.

No reason for me to get into a large crowded venue when I don't have to.

Actually, I'll agree with one other thing you said, how could they verify? Can't a vaccination card be fake?

BruceYee · July 2021

Aori said:
You keep saying the good vaccine, whats the bad vaccine?

The one he didn't get.

KnightFalz · July 2021

Sovrath said:

Aori said:

Sovrath said:

Aori said:

I find it a bit intrusive personally. Their choice and all, I'd personally not attend as I feel it isn't their business.

If you're concerned about getting sick, you shouldn't attend such events to begin with, especially right now when the uptick has exploded.

A vaccine isn't immunity and doesn't prevent you from spreading it.

Well, technically, it is their business as their business is to provide a safe and enjoyable experience for all that attend.

Also, vaccines provide a good amount of immunity, though nothing is perfect, and the COVID vaccines reduce the risk of spreading.

So in a world where nothing is guaranteed and nothing is perfect, that's the best you are going to get.

Which is fine, I just said it was personal feeling. I don't trust people with certain levels of information. Also how are you even going to verify the authenticity of it?

People are going to get Covid at PAX. People who aren't vaccinated are going to be in attendance. You can still have or spread Covid while negative. You can get and spread it even with the vaccine.

I'm just staunchly against the idea of big events right now, throwing 1000s of people into a box when there is such an uptick is just stupid to me.

I would agree with your last paragraph.

I mean, for me, I go to PAX every year but will not be going until this thing has blown over.

No reason for me to get into a large crowded venue when I don't have to.

Actually, I'll agree with one other thing you said, how could they verify? Can't a vaccination card be fake?

Any ID can be faked, but they are checked as a means of verification regardless. There is only so much you can do with that kind of thing.

If the pandemic continues to go on, or those of this degree become frequent, I wouldn't be surprised if ID specific to vaccination verification was developed to aid in such determinations, and made as difficult to fake as possible.

KnightFalz · July 2021

Aori said:

Quizzical said:

Iselin said:

Aori said:
I'm just staunchly against the idea of big events right now, throwing 1000s of people into a box when there is such an uptick is just stupid to me.

I agree with that part although I understand why it's happening: people are just desperately wanting to get back to pre-Covid normalcy. I just think it's still too soon to be doing that

I think I'll keep practicing agoraphobia for a little while still.

For the most part, if you're vaccinated with one of the good vaccines, you're at minimal risk from COVID. There are exceptions for some people who would otherwise be at extremely high risk. But outside of that, you can mostly opt out of the pandemic by getting vaccinated, and then be at less risk from COVID than from the seasonal flu in a typical year.

If you're vaccinated and still nominally catch COVID but have such a mild case that not only are you asymptomatic, but even a 10x worse case would still be asymptomatic, then so what? We don't vaccinate you to prevent situations so minor that only a very sensitive test would be able to detect that anything is abnormal. We don't even vaccinate you to prevent a minor case of the sniffles. We vaccinate people to prevent serious diseases that would seriously harm or even kill people.

As I see it, you don't have to completely eliminate COVID before life can return to normal. We've learned to live with influenza without shutting down society. If you can bring COVID down to being less of a problem than the flu typically is, then that's good enough.

You keep saying the good vaccine, whats the bad vaccine?

Those with lower success rates, which one can research online.

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