If there were no PvP whatsoever in the game and instead there were a PvE way of gaining control of a territory - sum of the reputation of all faction members in that zone for example - the result would be identical: members of the controlling faction would get the buff in that territory and members of the other two factions would not.
In short, NW consists of two parts that are almost independent of each other and have little to offer on their own.
Your suggestion that if "there were a PvE way of gaining control of a territory" would make at least one of the two parts a more complete experience.
I left Elder Scrolls Online because they have gambling dynamics and give whale privileges in housing; I hated how people could buy housing with irl cash. I will not join BDO because gambling and whale priv.
I am interested in New World as a clean multiplayer. No gambling. Box to pay. I can choose to be who I want with switching weapons.
But I have a few questions still. I think I have to play as a human? Which I can improvise and pretend I'm an elf. But I like to play a dark elf so idk if there will be white hair and black skin?
I have already played everything related to Wizards of the Coast and I'm not bent on those games for reasons.
I left Elder Scrolls Online because they have gambling dynamics and give whale privileges in housing; I hated how people could buy housing with irl cash. I will not join BDO because gambling and whale priv.
I am interested in New World as a clean multiplayer. No gambling. Box to pay. I can choose to be who I want with switching weapons.
But I have a few questions still. I think I have to play as a human? Which I can improvise and pretend I'm an elf. But I like to play a dark elf so idk if there will be white hair and black skin?
I have already played everything related to Wizards of the Coast and I'm not bent on those games for reasons.
In NW I will imagine myself as a shipwrecked sailor on something like Jules Verne’s Mysterious Island
Looking forward to the horrors that await, they can even throw in some giant wasps
In NW I will imagine myself as a shipwrecked sailor on something like Jules Verne’s Mysterious Island
Looking forward to the horrors that await, they can even throw in some giant wasps
Funny story about Jules Verne.
When I was little and just barely reading I had an uncle who was in our town on business and dropped in for a visit. He didn't know it was my birthday so I guess he felt compelled to give me something, so he gave some cash.
The next day I went to the bookstore and bought every single Jules Verne paperback they had in stock. I grew up on those books
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But I have a few questions still. I think I have to play as a human? Which I can improvise and pretend I'm an elf. But I like to play a dark elf so idk if there will be white hair and black skin?
Only human, but can be transgender - is that a first for mainstream mmos? Also, you can have dark skin and white hair. No pointy ears though.
Not interested at all. I do like the setting, but I don't care for PVP focused MMORPGs. Those are always shallow.
I think they are aiming for hype through twitch streamers. PVP games work well as twitch content.
Anyway, PVE lacks content and 'it is a sandbox' is no excuse for that. But I guess because it is the new shiny thing with a lot of hype surrounding it, many PVE players will fall for it. Will not last though.
I got 52hr of game play into Beta but I thought I would try Swords of Legends Online before I committed to NW and Im having way more fun in SoLo. So I got a refund on NW. May revisit NW at a later time but I think SoLo will keep me busy till Corepunk comes out.
Thank your for your comment, it makes my mind NOT to buy and play New World. Because I have been playing SOLO since it was released in West, I have already given up playing SOLO, due to it's lack of end game contents, shallow gameplay system and endless meaningless boring grinding.
I wouldn't say SOLO is not worth playing at all, but it definitely not worth $50 price tag . If anyone wants to try SOLO, wait for sale.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
To my own surprise, YES. The game is bare bones, there is no other way around it. Despite that I found exploration, gathering/crafting loop and combat really pulled me in.
Mind I haven't played a MMO for years now, with an exception of a short visit to WoW after over 10 years of not playing it. In general I find MMO genre really unappealing these days. I have zero interest in Asian style MMOs which seem to dominate the market. GW2 was nice, but I found combat not reactive/active enough.
Could it be I find New World attractive only because of those circumstance? It could be. At the present price tag even if I just clock another 100 hours it wil be time well spent.
We will see if people at Amazon Games are able to find their way. I find their vision of New World changed too many times and it shows. In my opinion they need to design and introduce game systems which can offer deeper gameplay, sandbox feel and longevity to New World, if this game is to succeed. The game should stop trying to pretend to care about "quests" and focus on dynamic, player driven and interactive landscape.
I would go further and say the game’s economy would benefit from gear which you can fix only limited number of times and soft cap on crafting skills you can train in. We need more focus on player controlled assets in the game world, whatever forts, mines, farms, trade posts or housing.
Thank your for your comment, it makes my mind NOT to buy and play New World. Because I have been playing SOLO since it was released in West, I have already given up playing SOLO, due to it's lack of end game contents, shallow gameplay system and endless meaningless boring grinding.
I wouldn't say SOLO is not worth playing at all, but it definitely not worth $50 price tag . If anyone wants to try SOLO, wait for sale.
I played NW beta and SOLO beta and I found NW far, far more enjoyable. I wouldn't pay to play SOLO however I will be for NW so...
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Yes, not a bad game it needs to be polished up a bit ( more thoughtful quests/main quest + trash items, new weapons, mounts and slightly better skills )
there is a good game here , but the combat is just soo boring shiteh ( and its what you spend most of your time doing ) i really dont get how it entertains anyone that has a bigger attention span than a flea..
They really would help it out quite abit if they were to add a counter and parry abilities .. with bonus for success and negative effect for failure ..
And altho the world is quite interesting .. its to small ...
Crafting and exploration are well done .. Fishing is a bad fucking joke , needs tons of work ..
gonna keep an eye on the next few weeks of updates and see how it shapes up ..
But I have a few questions still. I think I have to play as a human? Which I can improvise and pretend I'm an elf. But I like to play a dark elf so idk if there will be white hair and black skin?
Only human, but can be transgender - is that a first for mainstream mmos? Also, you can have dark skin and white hair. No pointy ears though.
It may be. I've seen it mentioned in descriptions for games of other genres on Steam, but I don't remember seeing it for MMORPGs.
But I have a few questions still. I think I have to play as a human? Which I can improvise and pretend I'm an elf. But I like to play a dark elf so idk if there will be white hair and black skin?
Only human, but can be transgender - is that a first for mainstream mmos? Also, you can have dark skin and white hair. No pointy ears though.
It may be. I've seen it mentioned in descriptions for games of other genres on Steam, but I don't remember seeing it for MMORPGs.
Not sure you actually need pointy ears to be an elf, certainly for classical DnD but other Elven treatments do not always have them. Also being considered are white Drow for DnD, a politically correct move which like so many others adds nothing to the strong theme of the material.
The Aztecs had something similar to elves but they are more like small faeries a half elf there might be pushing it? End of the day if you are immersion roleplaying you decided what you are. If you are roleplaying with others, just make sure they have a heads up, maybe they can think of a better explanation? I am not sure how much of a fantasy setting this game has, being an Elf might not even be that big a deal, but the pics I have seen so far were all human I think.
That one needn't PvP doesn't necessarily prevent one from being affected by it, so your first hint may not be apt. It depends on how cleanly they are divided.
For example, I've played games where the most valuable collectible resources are confined to PvP areas. I've seen posts made by people playing games where character abilities are not differentiated between PvE and PvP, where changes to accommodate the latter overly impaired the former.
The rewards bit is an equally silly argument that also reeks of entitlement. Risk and effort should be rewarded. PVP is inherently riskier. I find it as silly as people complaining about raids having better/exclusive rewards (to give a comparable example without PVP that I have also seen frequently).
In any case, New World's bonuses for flagging up are not negligible but still no biggie, from what I have read in their site:
I agree on your point about skills affecting modes differently. I am not aware of NW having such issues.
100% optional PVP means you can do all PVE content with 0 PVP afaik.
It's equally silly if one feels players should be railroaded into play they don't enjoy in a leisure activity that is supposed to be providing one enjoyment. One can seek riskier and more rewarding PvE, so PvP isn't needed for those inclined to such.
There is absolutely no benefit or reason to mix PvE and PvP, or to make one favoured over the other, in a game meant to equally cater to both audiences. All it does is reduce the enjoyment of all those that play it.
Those solely interested in PvE don't want PvP thrust upon them, or to be limited in their PvE by choosing to avoid it. Those that favour PvP don't enjoy forcing it upon them, at least those in it for the challenge rather than the potential for bullying.
Once the abilities for flagging up are not negligible they can be a biggie as it creates two classes of players, the noble PvPers advantaged over the PvE peons. For those not bothered by that it isn't an issue. For those that are it can be a major one.
I know what optional PvP means. I also know not having to engage in it directly isn't necessarily the same as not being impacted by it directly, making that aspect when it occurs 0% optional. It's not as simple as PvP Attack Susceptibility Yes/No.
There are no areas of New World with better resources or anything else that you need to be PvP flagged to do.
The only impact on PvErs that PvPers can have is which faction controls a zone which is accomplished by PvPing. If you're a member of the faction that controls that zone you get some perks for some PvE activities in that zone, but those perks are minor compared to the individual perks you get for your reputation in that zone which is something you get just by playing in the zone with zero PvP required. You get the same exact faction control zone perks whether you do some PvP or none at all.
You're projecting PvP advantages from other games into New World without really knowing anything about the finer details of how NW works.
I wasn't projecting anything into New World, or speaking specifically about it. That exchange was about my contesting of the assertion that being immune to direct attack in PvP doesn't necessarily preclude being affected by it. Other factors need be considered. It was a general point, not one confined to New World, and included examples from other games I'm familiar with rather than guesses about one I am not.
Anyway, on to NW specifics.
It seems that what you saying that PvP determines which faction controls an area, and those of the controlling faction get a bonus whether they personally PvP or not. Accordingly those of the non-controlling faction lose out on that bonus whether they PvP or not. Individual perks from your personal reputation in that guild are greater and unrelated to faction control.
So, the bottom line appears to me from what you said, based on your much greater knowledge of NW, is one can be indirectly affected by PvP in the game regardless of interest or participation in it.
Despite my prior ignorance of the details my general comments turned out not all that far off the mark in my view. Perhaps I misinterpreted something and my analysis is flawed. Having no personal direct experience with the game makes that quite possible. If that is the case I welcome being corrected, ideally specifically so.
No you're not affected so much by the PvP as you are by your faction choice. PvP is just the mechanism for a faction to gain control of a zone but it doesn't have to be.
If there were no PvP whatsoever in the game and instead there were a PvE way of gaining control of a territory - sum of the reputation of all faction members in that zone for example - the result would be identical: members of the controlling faction would get the buff in that territory and members of the other two factions would not.
Alight. It sounds decent then. If my computer was stronger I'd be inclined to check it out for myself so I could see how it works out directly.
Either way it sounds like plenty are having fun with the game. It's nice to see.
If you wish to open with a claim that what I say doesn't make sense perhaps you would be so kind as to specifically address each of my points and show how this is so.
Until then my response will conclude with yes it does.
It makes no sense because noone is forcing anything on anyone. Simple as that. The base premise is wrong. If you want a more elaborate explanation, please try to understand the points in my previous posts.
It's not as simple as that, as a lack of direct forced action does not prevent unavoidable negative indirect effects. Continuing to ignore my point doesn't counter it.
However, that was a "in general" consideration rather than related specifically to NW where it appears it may not apply if I read Iselin's post correctly.
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going to be playing for sure. reminds me so of Everquest. that was a skill heavy game from Drinking to many other skills.
I still play Ark Survival (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2569465338). I also bought Day Of Dragons cause I'm a role player first and gamer second.
I left Elder Scrolls Online because they have gambling dynamics and give whale privileges in housing; I hated how people could buy housing with irl cash. I will not join BDO because gambling and whale priv.
I am interested in New World as a clean multiplayer. No gambling. Box to pay. I can choose to be who I want with switching weapons.
But I have a few questions still. I think I have to play as a human? Which I can improvise and pretend I'm an elf. But I like to play a dark elf so idk if there will be white hair and black skin?
I have already played everything related to Wizards of the Coast and I'm not bent on those games for reasons.
Looking forward to the horrors that await, they can even throw in some giant wasps
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When I was little and just barely reading I had an uncle who was in our town on business and dropped in for a visit. He didn't know it was my birthday so I guess he felt compelled to give me something, so he gave some cash.
The next day I went to the bookstore and bought every single Jules Verne paperback they had in stock. I grew up on those books
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Lost my mind, now trying to lose yours...
I think they are aiming for hype through twitch streamers. PVP games work well as twitch content.
Anyway, PVE lacks content and 'it is a sandbox' is no excuse for that. But I guess because it is the new shiny thing with a lot of hype surrounding it, many PVE players will fall for it. Will not last though.
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Thank your for your comment, it makes my mind NOT to buy and play New World. Because I have been playing SOLO since it was released in West, I have already given up playing SOLO, due to it's lack of end game contents, shallow gameplay system and endless meaningless boring grinding.
I wouldn't say SOLO is not worth playing at all, but it definitely not worth $50 price tag . If anyone wants to try SOLO, wait for sale.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Mind I haven't played a MMO for years now, with an exception of a short visit to WoW after over 10 years of not playing it. In general I find MMO genre really unappealing these days. I have zero interest in Asian style MMOs which seem to dominate the market. GW2 was nice, but I found combat not reactive/active enough.
Could it be I find New World attractive only because of those circumstance? It could be. At the present price tag even if I just clock another 100 hours it wil be time well spent.
We will see if people at Amazon Games are able to find their way. I find their vision of New World changed too many times and it shows. In my opinion they need to design and introduce game systems which can offer deeper gameplay, sandbox feel and longevity to New World, if this game is to succeed. The game should stop trying to pretend to care about "quests" and focus on dynamic, player driven and interactive landscape.
I would go further and say the game’s economy would benefit from gear which you can fix only limited number of times and soft cap on crafting skills you can train in. We need more focus on player controlled assets in the game world, whatever forts, mines, farms, trade posts or housing.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
It may be. I've seen it mentioned in descriptions for games of other genres on Steam, but I don't remember seeing it for MMORPGs.
The Aztecs had something similar to elves but they are more like small faeries a half elf there might be pushing it? End of the day if you are immersion roleplaying you decided what you are. If you are roleplaying with others, just make sure they have a heads up, maybe they can think of a better explanation? I am not sure how much of a fantasy setting this game has, being an Elf might not even be that big a deal, but the pics I have seen so far were all human I think.
Either way it sounds like plenty are having fun with the game. It's nice to see.
It's not as simple as that, as a lack of direct forced action does not prevent unavoidable negative indirect effects. Continuing to ignore my point doesn't counter it.
However, that was a "in general" consideration rather than related specifically to NW where it appears it may not apply if I read Iselin's post correctly.