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Warhammer Online ROBS WoW, 2008: Warhammer - 5 mil +; WoW - 500k !!?!??
Zaxx99
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I never really thought about this until someone asked in another thread for a game like WoW or better then WoW or something like that. Then it jumped out and hit me.
Mythic Entertainment. Very skilled and devoted to their fans and lots of mmo experience under their belt now with Dark Age of Camelot. When Dark Age of Camelot hit shelves in the fall of 2001, it literally raped other popular mmos of their subscriber bases, namely the popular Everquest, Asherons Call, and Ultima Online. All three of those king mmos of 2001 saw huge drops in subscribers to DAoC. And Mythic was a newcomer then. Now they have 5 years of experience and look to be specifically eyeballing WoW and their subscribers if you ask me.
Graphics: WoW style, only much more detailed and better. PvP looks to much improved, as would be expected since the PvP and RvR in DAoC just absolutely destroys the offerings in this area offered from WoW.
Seriously, read up on Warhammer Online if you haven't yet. Warhammer Online (2007)
I know I'll get laughed at here and probably flamed too, but yes I am gonna predict that Warhammer Online will absolutely be a "WoW killer" and rampage, rape, and destroy WoW. I'll give it one year after Warhammer comes out. And I'm betting that it robs WoW of atleast 70% of its subscribers in that short time.
I love making ridiculous, bold predictions. But could it happen? I genuinely think it's VERY possible.
- Zaxx
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Well, I'm pretty sure that WoW will loose some subs to WAR (mostly the people who want to PvP) but god I hope WAR wont rob ALL the players from WoW seeing how most of them (from my experiance) are just PvE nooblets who roll on PvP servers for some reason and then spam the forums with useless "zomg I got ganked" topics. They would just turn WAR in to a nother carefest/peace loving game and that's something that WAR isnt supposed to be.
Edit: Just to clear things up, I have nothing against people who want to do PvE. I just dont understand why people who wanna do PvE roll on PvP servers and then whine about getting ganked/PK'd
Agreed that WoW is a primarily PvE game and Warhammer will focus on great PvP... but still all the kiddies and such playing WoW will wanna go the bestest, most popular mmo out, and that will be Warhammer Online. The similar but better graphics in Warhammer will also draw them. ...Not to mention that almost everyone who has played WoW by then will have maxed out their toons and be bored to friggin' death of it by then (yes, even with their mighty expansion this year)
And heh, yes they will constantly bitch, whine, and complain about getting spanked and ganked in PvP constantly.. but what else is new?
- Zaxx
I'm sorry, your statement simply doesn't tally with reality. I like DAoC some myself, but the fact is, it never had more than 60% of EQs population. It probably did steal customers from EQ, EQ's growth levels off some (but it continues to grow) about the time DAoC come out. UO and DAoC had about the same amount of customers after DAoC came out; UO saw no particular drop in its subscriber base until a couple of years after. It did do much better than AC, but that's because AC has always been a minor player (when DAoC came out, AC had half UO's subscribers, and less than a third of EQ's). AC started a long delay about when DAoC came out, though. Hardly "raped of their subscriber bases". More like "picked up some of their subscribers". And in the case of EQ, never caught up to it. (Source: MMOG Chart)
Chris Mattern
Good insight. I have to take that back, and I should have more used the term "DAoC became a major player upon its release" instead. All I actually remember was playing AC at the time DAoC was released and being frustrated that almost all my friends and what seemed like half of our allegiance left and went to the newcomer. I remember being pissed off at it for stealing so many of my friends in AC and swearing I'd never play it. About 6 months later however I did try it, and saw exactly why it was so successful at taking so many of my friends and allegiance members from Asherons Call.
- Zaxx
Im sure Warhammer will be a solid mmo on its own merits but I doubt it will do much to WoW.
Mythic is a fine company with DAoC under their belt but you can't compare them to the behemoth that is Blizzard. Blizzard is known for making hit after hit, constantly shattering industry standards. Warcraft 1, 2 and 3, Starcraft, the Diablo franchise and now WoW(to name a few!)
Also we can't forget that WoW will likely have had 2 or more expansions by 2008 so it will be more competitive.
I can totally see Warhammer becoming the 3rd most populated mmo(behind WoW and the Lineage franchise, with L3 on the way).
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Well, unless every new mmo with pvp before that fails.
- Warhammer didn't invent roleplaying. D&D beat it by a good many years.
- Warhammer didn't invent dark fantasy e.g. Moorcock was around since the 60's and was popular when WH got started (which is where all the Chaos stuff was ripped off from)
- Warhammer didn't invent wargaming (it's ancient)
- Warhammer didn't invent fantasy wargaming (D&D was originally a wargaming system, I believe there were others)
- Warhammer didn't invent humour in roleplaying (maybe Tunnels and Trolls gets that honour).
Perhaps Warhammer is the original D&D ripoff that emphasised mass combat so Games Workshop could sell more figures?D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
at last count ( 1-2 months ago) WoW had 6 000 000 subscribers counted on MONTHLY BASE ( not selled games, but players--and still rising)..i dont think warhammer will have 1/5 of that number..and this warhammer +5 mil WoW 500k....hmmm...makes u thinking...and Q4 2007 is very very far,,,by then WoW2 will come out
WAR is designed for PvP from the outset, If Mythic can get the balance issues right then WAR at the very list wiill blow away the subscription figures DAOC had it its height, whether it will reach the subscription numbers that WoW has i doubt, because I suspect there will be more effort required to level in WAR than WoW and that alone will (thankfully) keep some of the less mature people away.
I agree its unlikely that there is any single WoW killer out there it will more than likely suffer the death of a thousand cuts as each new game released between now and then impacts the games population. That being said I think it very unlikely that WoW will ever sink to a stage it is unprofitable given the ongoing interest even now in Warcraft/Starcraft/Diablo , they may end up consolidating servers at some point in the future, but that future is still a ways off.
As an Ex DAOC/EQ/Horizons/WoW player i am looking forward for WAR to hit the shelves
- Warhammer didn't invent roleplaying. D&D beat it by a good many years.
- Warhammer didn't invent dark fantasy e.g. Moorcock was around since the 60's and was popular when WH got started (which is where all the Chaos stuff was ripped off from)
- Warhammer didn't invent wargaming (it's ancient)
- Warhammer didn't invent fantasy wargaming (D&D was originally a wargaming system, I believe there were others)
- Warhammer didn't invent humour in roleplaying (maybe Tunnels and Trolls gets that honour).
Perhaps Warhammer is the original D&D ripoff that emphasised mass combat so Games Workshop could sell more figures?Except that Warhammer is a table top War Game not a RPG.
If you check the posted dates then you will see that zaxtor put out his OP about this about 1 whole month before the one that was started just today. Oops!
And you also said that by the time Warhammer is released, that WOW 2 will be out. Um, this is also another very foolish thing to say. They likely won't even have their second expansion out by the time Warhammer is on store shelves, much less a sequel which hasnt even been announced yet, nor has it likely even been started development on yet.
Sometimes it helps if you actually THINK and check the facts about what you are talking about before you make such posts that only make you look like a fool.
More ignorance. From www.warhammer.net:
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay
Warhammer is a roleplaying system published by
Black Industries .
It is set in the Old World,
which bears some resemblance to late medieval / renaissance Europe. The
warhammer world is threatened by the forces of Chaos. The major power
in the Warhammer World is the Empire, in which most of the adventures
are located. The Empire itself is a country full of intrigue,
conspiracies, and dark plots.
Would you care to try countering my post with something a little mor e substantial? Perhaps some sort of justification for the dubious claim that the game is in some sense "original".
D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
I don't really get why people feel the need to keep posting threads like this; I think there's a good chance that WAR will take a bunch of W OW's players, but currently that's based primarily on Marketing hype so I don't see any reason for multiple threads about it.
I will point out that the important name for selling the game is not Mythic but Games Workshop. People who stick to MMORPGs obviously don't care much about miniatures games, but GW is a huge name, especially in Europe (they pretty much own all P&P gaming shops in the UK). I will be interested to see how much they get behind this game, traditionally they've treated computer games as a sideline but they certainly have a hype machine they can crank up if they feel it will make them money.