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  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    edited January 2022
    Kyleran said:
    You can spam your links all you like. Doesnt alter the fact that:

    1. You pledged in 2013 under a certain set of TOS and agreement, agreeing the ship was in concept. 
    2. You pledged an additional 6400USD minimum since then, even under the new agreements. 
    3. You've since melted your 890J and therefore that agreement, as you've put those funds into a new pledge which you have already admitted was the Polaris. 

    You've 'enjoyed' plenty of gametime, continued to pledge post 890J release, and therefore is a moot point. 

    Your eligibility and likelihood of a refund is as likely as me becoming a US president; and i'm British....

    You have literally zero chance of a refund, and any court of law would swing in favour of CIG, especially given the light of some of your posts and the double-standards you're attempting to push, and the defamation attempted. 

    I'd quit before it costs you more than 7000USD personally.... 

    Or sell the 890J on the grey market and be in profit. But that requires you to actually do something other than whinge. 

    I am not going to fight with you law is the law period! all my link pictures all point to what CIg has publicly advertised or topics related to adverting.

    I won the discussion on the spectrum about the 890 jump being an exploration ship.

    now, what is a purchase, donation or pledge needs to be cleared up.

    I live in Canada we very strict laws I doubt CIg can get away with  misleading adverting or TOS and sure other countries would be very interested in.


    it was really nice to see lawyers school CIg white knights on laws. What is a purchase, donation or pledge.
    Canadian laws do not apply as you agreed to the following "contract" which the EULA / TOS clearly state at the very top they are such. (More than once you agreed) 

    You done fu$ked up....bad...better hope a government protection group one day decides to take up your cause as no lawyer is going to, especially if it can't be litigated as a class action so no money in it for them.

    "You and RSI agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between RSI and you individually. To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.

    E. Location

    Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded."

    So no, even your mother country of Finland's laws can't save you.

    ;)




    I read that CIg may be shutting down California hQ and moving to UK so laws are way different.
    That's irrelevant. You signed a specific agreement as shown above. 

    So what is the 890 jump a pledge, purchase or donation, please.





    Post edited by blackdreamhunk on
  • Capt_SnugglesCapt_Snuggles Member UncommonPosts: 163
    blackdreamhunk said:
    Kyleran said:
    You can spam your links all you like. Doesnt alter the fact that:

    1. You pledged in 2013 under a certain set of TOS and agreement, agreeing the ship was in concept. 
    2. You pledged an additional 6400USD minimum since then, even under the new agreements. 
    3. You've since melted your 890J and therefore that agreement, as you've put those funds into a new pledge which you have already admitted was the Polaris. 

    You've 'enjoyed' plenty of gametime, continued to pledge post 890J release, and therefore is a moot point. 

    Your eligibility and likelihood of a refund is as likely as me becoming a US president; and i'm British....

    You have literally zero chance of a refund, and any court of law would swing in favour of CIG, especially given the light of some of your posts and the double-standards you're attempting to push, and the defamation attempted. 

    I'd quit before it costs you more than 7000USD personally.... 

    Or sell the 890J on the grey market and be in profit. But that requires you to actually do something other than whinge. 

    I am not going to fight with you law is the law period! all my link pictures all point to what CIg has publicly advertised or topics related to adverting.

    I won the discussion on the spectrum about the 890 jump being an exploration ship.

    now, what is a purchase, donation or pledge needs to be cleared up.

    I live in Canada we very strict laws I doubt CIg can get away with  misleading adverting or TOS and sure other countries would be very interested in.


    it was really nice to see lawyers school CIg white knights on laws. What is a purchase, donation or pledge.
    Canadian laws do not apply as you agreed to the following "contract" which the EULA / TOS clearly state at the very top they are such. (More than once you agreed) 

    You done fu$ked up....bad...better hope a government protection group one day decides to take up your cause as no lawyer is going to, especially if it can't be litigated as a class action so no money in it for them.

    "You and RSI agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between RSI and you individually. To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.

    E. Location

    Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded."

    So no, even your mother country of Finland's laws can't save you.

    ;)




    I read that CIg may be shutting down California hQ and moving to UK so laws are way different.
    That's irrelevant. You signed a specific agreement as shown above. 

    So what is the 890 jump a pledge, purchase or donation, please.



    That has no concequence to this. You signed a specific and bespoke agreement that nullifies any chance you have. 

    It's akin to signing an agreement to a boxing match and agreeing to the risk of physical hurt and damage, and then filing a law suit for GBH. 
  • Capt_SnugglesCapt_Snuggles Member UncommonPosts: 163
    blackdreamhunk said:
    I love threads about SC, never disappoint lol.

    Serious though, why buy a ship if you have any hesitance toward this game? I mean its a digital item, if you play mmos at all you know things change constantly. ESPECIALLY in pre alpha. Why put money up you are not willing to lose? Or at the very least has the potential to be useless come launch?

    People really need to put the brakes on these kickstarter games until there's further proof, some people are really ready to sell their first born just to back a project they have no inside info on...

    I am talking about CIg and Chris Roberts changing the deal during a long alpha.
    What, the bit where you agreed it's all subject to change and fully within CIG's remit to do so, with no recourse from the individual? That was always part of 'the deal'. You just failed to read it or realise. 
  • Capt_SnugglesCapt_Snuggles Member UncommonPosts: 163
    blackdreamhunk said:
    Kyleran said:
    You can spam your links all you like. Doesnt alter the fact that:

    1. You pledged in 2013 under a certain set of TOS and agreement, agreeing the ship was in concept. 
    2. You pledged an additional 6400USD minimum since then, even under the new agreements. 
    3. You've since melted your 890J and therefore that agreement, as you've put those funds into a new pledge which you have already admitted was the Polaris. 

    You've 'enjoyed' plenty of gametime, continued to pledge post 890J release, and therefore is a moot point. 

    Your eligibility and likelihood of a refund is as likely as me becoming a US president; and i'm British....

    You have literally zero chance of a refund, and any court of law would swing in favour of CIG, especially given the light of some of your posts and the double-standards you're attempting to push, and the defamation attempted. 

    I'd quit before it costs you more than 7000USD personally.... 

    Or sell the 890J on the grey market and be in profit. But that requires you to actually do something other than whinge. 

    I am not going to fight with you law is the law period! all my link pictures all point to what CIg has publicly advertised or topics related to adverting.

    I won the discussion on the spectrum about the 890 jump being an exploration ship.

    now, what is a purchase, donation or pledge needs to be cleared up.

    I live in Canada we very strict laws I doubt CIg can get away with  misleading adverting or TOS and sure other countries would be very interested in.


    it was really nice to see lawyers school CIg white knights on laws. What is a purchase, donation or pledge.
    Canadian laws do not apply as you agreed to the following "contract" which the EULA / TOS clearly state at the very top they are such. (More than once you agreed) 

    You done fu$ked up....bad...better hope a government protection group one day decides to take up your cause as no lawyer is going to, especially if it can't be litigated as a class action so no money in it for them.

    "You and RSI agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between RSI and you individually. To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.

    E. Location

    Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded."

    So no, even your mother country of Finland's laws can't save you.

    ;)




    I really don't know what the hell you're talking about

    anyway here are some quotes from the spectrum
    And this here is the proof in the idiot-pudding. 

    He's quoted contractual legals that you've already agreed to. 

    You're quoting cherry picked/misunderstood opinions on a public forum. 
    [Deleted User]
  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    Capt_Snuggles said:
    blackdreamhunk said:
    Kyleran said:
    You can spam your links all you like. Doesnt alter the fact that:

    1. You pledged in 2013 under a certain set of TOS and agreement, agreeing the ship was in concept. 
    2. You pledged an additional 6400USD minimum since then, even under the new agreements. 
    3. You've since melted your 890J and therefore that agreement, as you've put those funds into a new pledge which you have already admitted was the Polaris. 

    You've 'enjoyed' plenty of gametime, continued to pledge post 890J release, and therefore is a moot point. 

    Your eligibility and likelihood of a refund is as likely as me becoming a US president; and i'm British....

    You have literally zero chance of a refund, and any court of law would swing in favour of CIG, especially given the light of some of your posts and the double-standards you're attempting to push, and the defamation attempted. 

    I'd quit before it costs you more than 7000USD personally.... 

    Or sell the 890J on the grey market and be in profit. But that requires you to actually do something other than whinge. 

    I am not going to fight with you law is the law period! all my link pictures all point to what CIg has publicly advertised or topics related to adverting.

    I won the discussion on the spectrum about the 890 jump being an exploration ship.

    now, what is a purchase, donation or pledge needs to be cleared up.

    I live in Canada we very strict laws I doubt CIg can get away with  misleading adverting or TOS and sure other countries would be very interested in.


    it was really nice to see lawyers school CIg white knights on laws. What is a purchase, donation or pledge.
    Canadian laws do not apply as you agreed to the following "contract" which the EULA / TOS clearly state at the very top they are such. (More than once you agreed) 

    You done fu$ked up....bad...better hope a government protection group one day decides to take up your cause as no lawyer is going to, especially if it can't be litigated as a class action so no money in it for them.

    "You and RSI agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between RSI and you individually. To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.

    E. Location

    Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded."

    So no, even your mother country of Finland's laws can't save you.

    ;)




    I read that CIg may be shutting down California hQ and moving to UK so laws are way different.
    That's irrelevant. You signed a specific agreement as shown above. 

    So what is the 890 jump a pledge, purchase or donation, please.



    That has no concequence to this. You signed a specific and bespoke agreement that nullifies any chance you have. 

    It's akin to signing an agreement to a boxing match and agreeing to the risk of physical hurt and damage, and then filing a law suit for GBH. 

    I don't care for your opinions what is citizen store selling when you purchase ships?

    is the 890 jump a pledge, donation, or even a purchase, please.
  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    I bought the 890 jump based adverting and what early game devs said the 890 jump would be. The was advertised as an exploration ship I have posted many advertisements.
    Now I am told the 890 jump is some kind of transport ship.  I am now told CIg can do whatever they want with the 890 jump because of TOS

    So is the 890 jump a pledge, donation, or purchase, please..

  • Capt_SnugglesCapt_Snuggles Member UncommonPosts: 163
    You dont care what my opinion is, but then ask what my opinion is? What do you think I am, one of your pledges? :D 

    Originally I was sympathetic to your situation; your own making, but nevertheless, I felt sorry for you. 

    Now, i'm laughing. The victim mentality, the fraudster-like attempt to solicit a refund 8 years after making a payment to CIG for an 890J, reusing that as an exchange for other ships and still seeking a refund, despite continually playing during that time.....

    You're refusing to sell your ships on, refusing to accept responsibility, refusing to acknowledge your own role (pretty much the only role) in this situation, and yet happy to insinuate others are 'against freedom of speech', 'unlawful' 'cyber stalkers' 'bullies' and 'criminals'. 

    You're frauduently trying to solicit a payment from a company, using blackmail and social media to do so. 

    As I said earlier - i'd quit whilst you're ahead; they'd be absolutely right to wring you dry right now and personally I'd encourage them to do so. You're an idiot that clearly isn't learning the lesson.
  • Capt_SnugglesCapt_Snuggles Member UncommonPosts: 163
    blackdreamhunk said:
    I bought the 890 jump based adverting and what early game devs said the 890 jump would be. The was advertised as an exploration ship I have posted many advertisements.
    Now I am told the 890 jump is some kind of transport ship.  I am now told CIg can do whatever they want with the 890 jump because of TOS

    So is the 890 jump a pledge, donation, or purchase, please..

    You were also told early on it was a concept and subject to change.

    You're were also told early on of what CIG could do as you signed the agreements. 


    Your failure to read is your mistake. And you seem fixated on making it into a bigger one. 
  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    Capt_Snuggles said:
    blackdreamhunk said:
    Kyleran said:
    You can spam your links all you like. Doesnt alter the fact that:

    1. You pledged in 2013 under a certain set of TOS and agreement, agreeing the ship was in concept. 
    2. You pledged an additional 6400USD minimum since then, even under the new agreements. 
    3. You've since melted your 890J and therefore that agreement, as you've put those funds into a new pledge which you have already admitted was the Polaris. 

    You've 'enjoyed' plenty of gametime, continued to pledge post 890J release, and therefore is a moot point. 

    Your eligibility and likelihood of a refund is as likely as me becoming a US president; and i'm British....

    You have literally zero chance of a refund, and any court of law would swing in favour of CIG, especially given the light of some of your posts and the double-standards you're attempting to push, and the defamation attempted. 

    I'd quit before it costs you more than 7000USD personally.... 

    Or sell the 890J on the grey market and be in profit. But that requires you to actually do something other than whinge. 

    I am not going to fight with you law is the law period! all my link pictures all point to what CIg has publicly advertised or topics related to adverting.

    I won the discussion on the spectrum about the 890 jump being an exploration ship.

    now, what is a purchase, donation or pledge needs to be cleared up.

    I live in Canada we very strict laws I doubt CIg can get away with  misleading adverting or TOS and sure other countries would be very interested in.


    it was really nice to see lawyers school CIg white knights on laws. What is a purchase, donation or pledge.
    Canadian laws do not apply as you agreed to the following "contract" which the EULA / TOS clearly state at the very top they are such. (More than once you agreed) 

    You done fu$ked up....bad...better hope a government protection group one day decides to take up your cause as no lawyer is going to, especially if it can't be litigated as a class action so no money in it for them.

    "You and RSI agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between RSI and you individually. To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.

    E. Location

    Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded."

    So no, even your mother country of Finland's laws can't save you.

    ;)




    I really don't know what the hell you're talking about

    anyway here are some quotes from the spectrum
    And this here is the proof in the idiot-pudding. 

    He's quoted contractual legals that you've already agreed to. 

    You're quoting cherry picked/misunderstood opinions on a public forum. 

    are you saying the 890 jump is not an exploration ship? are you saying the 890 jump main role isn't a deep space exploration ship?



  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    Capt_Snuggles said:
    You dont care what my opinion is, but then ask what my opinion is? What do you think I am, one of your pledges? :D 

    Originally I was sympathetic to your situation; your own making, but nevertheless, I felt sorry for you. 

    Now, i'm laughing. The victim mentality, the fraudster-like attempt to solicit a refund 8 years after making a payment to CIG for an 890J, reusing that as an exchange for other ships and still seeking a refund, despite continually playing during that time.....

    You're refusing to sell your ships on, refusing to accept responsibility, refusing to acknowledge your own role (pretty much the only role) in this situation, and yet happy to insinuate others are 'against freedom of speech', 'unlawful' 'cyber stalkers' 'bullies' and 'criminals'. 

    You're frauduently trying to solicit a payment from a company, using blackmail and social media to do so. 

    As I said earlier - i'd quit whilst you're ahead; they'd be absolutely right to wring you dry right now and personally I'd encourage them to do so. You're an idiot that clearly isn't learning the lesson.


  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    Capt_Snuggles said:
    blackdreamhunk said:
    Kyleran said:
    You can spam your links all you like. Doesnt alter the fact that:

    1. You pledged in 2013 under a certain set of TOS and agreement, agreeing the ship was in concept. 
    2. You pledged an additional 6400USD minimum since then, even under the new agreements. 
    3. You've since melted your 890J and therefore that agreement, as you've put those funds into a new pledge which you have already admitted was the Polaris. 

    You've 'enjoyed' plenty of gametime, continued to pledge post 890J release, and therefore is a moot point. 

    Your eligibility and likelihood of a refund is as likely as me becoming a US president; and i'm British....

    You have literally zero chance of a refund, and any court of law would swing in favour of CIG, especially given the light of some of your posts and the double-standards you're attempting to push, and the defamation attempted. 

    I'd quit before it costs you more than 7000USD personally.... 

    Or sell the 890J on the grey market and be in profit. But that requires you to actually do something other than whinge. 

    I am not going to fight with you law is the law period! all my link pictures all point to what CIg has publicly advertised or topics related to adverting.

    I won the discussion on the spectrum about the 890 jump being an exploration ship.

    now, what is a purchase, donation or pledge needs to be cleared up.

    I live in Canada we very strict laws I doubt CIg can get away with  misleading adverting or TOS and sure other countries would be very interested in.


    it was really nice to see lawyers school CIg white knights on laws. What is a purchase, donation or pledge.
    Canadian laws do not apply as you agreed to the following "contract" which the EULA / TOS clearly state at the very top they are such. (More than once you agreed) 

    You done fu$ked up....bad...better hope a government protection group one day decides to take up your cause as no lawyer is going to, especially if it can't be litigated as a class action so no money in it for them.

    "You and RSI agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between RSI and you individually. To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.

    E. Location

    Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded."

    So no, even your mother country of Finland's laws can't save you.

    ;)




    I really don't know what the hell you're talking about

    anyway here are some quotes from the spectrum
    And this here is the proof in the idiot-pudding. 

    He's quoted contractual legals that you've already agreed to. 

    You're quoting cherry picked/misunderstood opinions on a public forum. 

    are you suggesting am I a lair? yes or no?
  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    edited January 2022
    I bought the 890 jump based adverting and what early game devs said the 890 jump would be. The was advertised as an exploration ship I have posted many advertisements.
    Now I am told the 890 jump is some kind of transport ship.  I am now told CIg can do whatever they want with the 890 jump because of TOS

    So is the 890 jump a pledge, donation, or purchase, please..

    You were also told early on it was a concept and subject to change.

    You're were also told early on of what CIG could do as you signed the agreements. 


    Your failure to read is your mistake. And you seem fixated on making it into a bigger one. 

    are you saying that CIG can change the 890 jump from an exploration ship to a useless transport ship or a useless roleplaying ship?

    I would like a yes or no answer, please.





    Post edited by blackdreamhunk on
    Kyleran
  • Capt_SnugglesCapt_Snuggles Member UncommonPosts: 163
    edited January 2022
    Kyleran said:
    You can spam your links all you like. Doesnt alter the fact that:

    1. You pledged in 2013 under a certain set of TOS and agreement, agreeing the ship was in concept. 
    2. You pledged an additional 6400USD minimum since then, even under the new agreements. 
    3. You've since melted your 890J and therefore that agreement, as you've put those funds into a new pledge which you have already admitted was the Polaris. 

    You've 'enjoyed' plenty of gametime, continued to pledge post 890J release, and therefore is a moot point. 

    Your eligibility and likelihood of a refund is as likely as me becoming a US president; and i'm British....

    You have literally zero chance of a refund, and any court of law would swing in favour of CIG, especially given the light of some of your posts and the double-standards you're attempting to push, and the defamation attempted. 

    I'd quit before it costs you more than 7000USD personally.... 

    Or sell the 890J on the grey market and be in profit. But that requires you to actually do something other than whinge. 

    I am not going to fight with you law is the law period! all my link pictures all point to what CIg has publicly advertised or topics related to adverting.

    I won the discussion on the spectrum about the 890 jump being an exploration ship.

    now, what is a purchase, donation or pledge needs to be cleared up.

    I live in Canada we very strict laws I doubt CIg can get away with  misleading adverting or TOS and sure other countries would be very interested in.


    it was really nice to see lawyers school CIg white knights on laws. What is a purchase, donation or pledge.
    Canadian laws do not apply as you agreed to the following "contract" which the EULA / TOS clearly state at the very top they are such. (More than once you agreed) 

    You done fu$ked up....bad...better hope a government protection group one day decides to take up your cause as no lawyer is going to, especially if it can't be litigated as a class action so no money in it for them.

    "You and RSI agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between RSI and you individually. To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.

    E. Location

    Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded."

    So no, even your mother country of Finland's laws can't save you.

    ;)




    I really don't know what the hell you're talking about

    anyway here are some quotes from the spectrum
    And this here is the proof in the idiot-pudding. 

    He's quoted contractual legals that you've already agreed to. 

    You're quoting cherry picked/misunderstood opinions on a public forum. 

    are you suggesting am I a lair? yes or no?
    Not suggesting; stating. Yes, you're a liar and fraduster. It's the only logical deduction now. Either that, or an absolute idiot. Perhaps both. 
    Kyleran
  • Capt_SnugglesCapt_Snuggles Member UncommonPosts: 163
    blackdreamhunk said:
    I bought the 890 jump based adverting and what early game devs said the 890 jump would be. The was advertised as an exploration ship I have posted many advertisements.
    Now I am told the 890 jump is some kind of transport ship.  I am now told CIg can do whatever they want with the 890 jump because of TOS

    So is the 890 jump a pledge, donation, or purchase, please..

    You were also told early on it was a concept and subject to change.

    You're were also told early on of what CIG could do as you signed the agreements. 


    Your failure to read is your mistake. And you seem fixated on making it into a bigger one. 

    are you saying that CIG can change the 890 jump from an exploration ship to a useless transport ship or a useless roleplaying ship?

    I would like a yes or no answer, please.
    You're quoting other people's opinions. You've not stated anything from CIG that they've changed it's role. Infact, it's clear from the ship stats page that it hasn't changed. Touring - a subset of Exploration. It's been a VIP yacht from the beginning.

    You're only upset because of other peoples opinions apparently. 


    KyleranBig.Daddy.Samedi
  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    edited January 2022
    Kyleran said:
    You can spam your links all you like. Doesnt alter the fact that:

    1. You pledged in 2013 under a certain set of TOS and agreement, agreeing the ship was in concept. 
    2. You pledged an additional 6400USD minimum since then, even under the new agreements. 
    3. You've since melted your 890J and therefore that agreement, as you've put those funds into a new pledge which you have already admitted was the Polaris. 

    You've 'enjoyed' plenty of gametime, continued to pledge post 890J release, and therefore is a moot point. 

    Your eligibility and likelihood of a refund is as likely as me becoming a US president; and i'm British....

    You have literally zero chance of a refund, and any court of law would swing in favour of CIG, especially given the light of some of your posts and the double-standards you're attempting to push, and the defamation attempted. 

    I'd quit before it costs you more than 7000USD personally.... 

    Or sell the 890J on the grey market and be in profit. But that requires you to actually do something other than whinge. 

    I am not going to fight with you law is the law period! all my link pictures all point to what CIg has publicly advertised or topics related to adverting.

    I won the discussion on the spectrum about the 890 jump being an exploration ship.

    now, what is a purchase, donation or pledge needs to be cleared up.

    I live in Canada we very strict laws I doubt CIg can get away with  misleading adverting or TOS and sure other countries would be very interested in.


    it was really nice to see lawyers school CIg white knights on laws. What is a purchase, donation or pledge.
    Canadian laws do not apply as you agreed to the following "contract" which the EULA / TOS clearly state at the very top they are such. (More than once you agreed) 

    You done fu$ked up....bad...better hope a government protection group one day decides to take up your cause as no lawyer is going to, especially if it can't be litigated as a class action so no money in it for them.

    "You and RSI agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between RSI and you individually. To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.

    E. Location

    Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded."

    So no, even your mother country of Finland's laws can't save you.

    ;)




    I really don't know what the hell you're talking about

    anyway here are some quotes from the spectrum
    And this here is the proof in the idiot-pudding. 

    He's quoted contractual legals that you've already agreed to. 

    You're quoting cherry picked/misunderstood opinions on a public forum. 

    are you suggesting am I a lair? yes or no?
    Not suggesting; stating. Yes, you're a liar and fraduster. It's the only logical deduction now. Either that, or an absolute idiot. Perhaps both. 

    really your stating I am a lair then show me where I have lied please many people on mmoprg have called me lair and can't prove it.


    so why are you running from y questions if Iam such a great lair

    people on mmmoprg claim I was from Finland so show me where i stated I am from Finland please.
    Kyleran
  • Capt_SnugglesCapt_Snuggles Member UncommonPosts: 163
    blackdreamhunk said:
    Capt_Snuggles said:
    Kyleran said:
    You can spam your links all you like. Doesnt alter the fact that:

    1. You pledged in 2013 under a certain set of TOS and agreement, agreeing the ship was in concept. 
    2. You pledged an additional 6400USD minimum since then, even under the new agreements. 
    3. You've since melted your 890J and therefore that agreement, as you've put those funds into a new pledge which you have already admitted was the Polaris. 

    You've 'enjoyed' plenty of gametime, continued to pledge post 890J release, and therefore is a moot point. 

    Your eligibility and likelihood of a refund is as likely as me becoming a US president; and i'm British....

    You have literally zero chance of a refund, and any court of law would swing in favour of CIG, especially given the light of some of your posts and the double-standards you're attempting to push, and the defamation attempted. 

    I'd quit before it costs you more than 7000USD personally.... 

    Or sell the 890J on the grey market and be in profit. But that requires you to actually do something other than whinge. 

    I am not going to fight with you law is the law period! all my link pictures all point to what CIg has publicly advertised or topics related to adverting.

    I won the discussion on the spectrum about the 890 jump being an exploration ship.

    now, what is a purchase, donation or pledge needs to be cleared up.

    I live in Canada we very strict laws I doubt CIg can get away with  misleading adverting or TOS and sure other countries would be very interested in.


    it was really nice to see lawyers school CIg white knights on laws. What is a purchase, donation or pledge.
    Canadian laws do not apply as you agreed to the following "contract" which the EULA / TOS clearly state at the very top they are such. (More than once you agreed) 

    You done fu$ked up....bad...better hope a government protection group one day decides to take up your cause as no lawyer is going to, especially if it can't be litigated as a class action so no money in it for them.

    "You and RSI agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between RSI and you individually. To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.

    E. Location

    Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded."

    So no, even your mother country of Finland's laws can't save you.

    ;)




    I really don't know what the hell you're talking about

    anyway here are some quotes from the spectrum
    And this here is the proof in the idiot-pudding. 

    He's quoted contractual legals that you've already agreed to. 

    You're quoting cherry picked/misunderstood opinions on a public forum. 

    are you suggesting am I a lair? yes or no?
    Not suggesting; stating. Yes, you're a liar and fraduster. It's the only logical deduction now. Either that, or an absolute idiot. Perhaps both. 

    really your stating iam a lair then show me where I have lied please many people on mmoprg have called me lair and can't prove it.
    You're clearly fraudulently trying to claim back a refund. That is in it's very nature a dishonest and false action. 
    KyleranBig.Daddy.Samedi
  • Capt_SnugglesCapt_Snuggles Member UncommonPosts: 163
    edited January 2022
    Kyleran said:
    You can spam your links all you like. Doesnt alter the fact that:

    1. You pledged in 2013 under a certain set of TOS and agreement, agreeing the ship was in concept. 
    2. You pledged an additional 6400USD minimum since then, even under the new agreements. 
    3. You've since melted your 890J and therefore that agreement, as you've put those funds into a new pledge which you have already admitted was the Polaris. 

    You've 'enjoyed' plenty of gametime, continued to pledge post 890J release, and therefore is a moot point. 

    Your eligibility and likelihood of a refund is as likely as me becoming a US president; and i'm British....

    You have literally zero chance of a refund, and any court of law would swing in favour of CIG, especially given the light of some of your posts and the double-standards you're attempting to push, and the defamation attempted. 

    I'd quit before it costs you more than 7000USD personally.... 

    Or sell the 890J on the grey market and be in profit. But that requires you to actually do something other than whinge. 

    I am not going to fight with you law is the law period! all my link pictures all point to what CIg has publicly advertised or topics related to adverting.

    I won the discussion on the spectrum about the 890 jump being an exploration ship.

    now, what is a purchase, donation or pledge needs to be cleared up.

    I live in Canada we very strict laws I doubt CIg can get away with  misleading adverting or TOS and sure other countries would be very interested in.


    it was really nice to see lawyers school CIg white knights on laws. What is a purchase, donation or pledge.
    Canadian laws do not apply as you agreed to the following "contract" which the EULA / TOS clearly state at the very top they are such. (More than once you agreed) 

    You done fu$ked up....bad...better hope a government protection group one day decides to take up your cause as no lawyer is going to, especially if it can't be litigated as a class action so no money in it for them.

    "You and RSI agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between RSI and you individually. To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.

    E. Location

    Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded."

    So no, even your mother country of Finland's laws can't save you.

    ;)




    I really don't know what the hell you're talking about

    anyway here are some quotes from the spectrum
    And this here is the proof in the idiot-pudding. 

    He's quoted contractual legals that you've already agreed to. 

    You're quoting cherry picked/misunderstood opinions on a public forum. 

    are you suggesting am I a lair? yes or no?
    Not suggesting; stating. Yes, you're a liar and fraduster. It's the only logical deduction now. Either that, or an absolute idiot. Perhaps both. 

    really your stating I am a lair then show me where I have lied please many people on mmoprg have called me lair and can't prove it.


    so why are you running from y questions if Iam such a great lair

    people on mmmoprg claim I was from Finland so show me where i stated I am from Finland please.
    You technically did state you were from Finland, which was already made clear to you in a prior post. 

    And you are most certainly not a great liar. Infact, pretty terrible. 
    KyleranBig.Daddy.Samedi
  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    Capt_Snuggles said:
    blackdreamhunk said:
    I bought the 890 jump based adverting and what early game devs said the 890 jump would be. The was advertised as an exploration ship I have posted many advertisements.
    Now I am told the 890 jump is some kind of transport ship.  I am now told CIg can do whatever they want with the 890 jump because of TOS

    So is the 890 jump a pledge, donation, or purchase, please..

    You were also told early on it was a concept and subject to change.

    You're were also told early on of what CIG could do as you signed the agreements. 


    Your failure to read is your mistake. And you seem fixated on making it into a bigger one. 

    are you saying that CIG can change the 890 jump from an exploration ship to a useless transport ship or a useless roleplaying ship?

    I would like a yes or no answer, please.
    You're quoting other people's opinions. You've not stated anything from CIG that they've changed it's role. Infact, it's clear from the ship stats page that it hasn't changed. Touring - a subset of Exploration. It's been a VIP yacht from the beginning.

    You're only upset because of other peoples opinions apparently. 



    I don't care for  you opinions what is the 890 jump a pledge, purchase or a donation answer the dam question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Kyleran
  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    Capt_Snuggles said:
    blackdreamhunk said:
    Capt_Snuggles said:
    Kyleran said:
    You can spam your links all you like. Doesnt alter the fact that:

    1. You pledged in 2013 under a certain set of TOS and agreement, agreeing the ship was in concept. 
    2. You pledged an additional 6400USD minimum since then, even under the new agreements. 
    3. You've since melted your 890J and therefore that agreement, as you've put those funds into a new pledge which you have already admitted was the Polaris. 

    You've 'enjoyed' plenty of gametime, continued to pledge post 890J release, and therefore is a moot point. 

    Your eligibility and likelihood of a refund is as likely as me becoming a US president; and i'm British....

    You have literally zero chance of a refund, and any court of law would swing in favour of CIG, especially given the light of some of your posts and the double-standards you're attempting to push, and the defamation attempted. 

    I'd quit before it costs you more than 7000USD personally.... 

    Or sell the 890J on the grey market and be in profit. But that requires you to actually do something other than whinge. 

    I am not going to fight with you law is the law period! all my link pictures all point to what CIg has publicly advertised or topics related to adverting.

    I won the discussion on the spectrum about the 890 jump being an exploration ship.

    now, what is a purchase, donation or pledge needs to be cleared up.

    I live in Canada we very strict laws I doubt CIg can get away with  misleading adverting or TOS and sure other countries would be very interested in.


    it was really nice to see lawyers school CIg white knights on laws. What is a purchase, donation or pledge.
    Canadian laws do not apply as you agreed to the following "contract" which the EULA / TOS clearly state at the very top they are such. (More than once you agreed) 

    You done fu$ked up....bad...better hope a government protection group one day decides to take up your cause as no lawyer is going to, especially if it can't be litigated as a class action so no money in it for them.

    "You and RSI agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between RSI and you individually. To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.

    E. Location

    Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded."

    So no, even your mother country of Finland's laws can't save you.

    ;)




    I really don't know what the hell you're talking about

    anyway here are some quotes from the spectrum
    And this here is the proof in the idiot-pudding. 

    He's quoted contractual legals that you've already agreed to. 

    You're quoting cherry picked/misunderstood opinions on a public forum. 

    are you suggesting am I a lair? yes or no?
    Not suggesting; stating. Yes, you're a liar and fraduster. It's the only logical deduction now. Either that, or an absolute idiot. Perhaps both. 

    really your stating iam a lair then show me where I have lied please many people on mmoprg have called me lair and can't prove it.
    You're clearly fraudulently trying to claim back a refund. That is in it's very nature a dishonest and false action. 

    asking for a refund isn't lie do you even understand the meaning of the word lie???
    Kyleran
  • Capt_SnugglesCapt_Snuggles Member UncommonPosts: 163
    blackdreamhunk said:
    Capt_Snuggles said:
    blackdreamhunk said:
    I bought the 890 jump based adverting and what early game devs said the 890 jump would be. The was advertised as an exploration ship I have posted many advertisements.
    Now I am told the 890 jump is some kind of transport ship.  I am now told CIg can do whatever they want with the 890 jump because of TOS

    So is the 890 jump a pledge, donation, or purchase, please..

    You were also told early on it was a concept and subject to change.

    You're were also told early on of what CIG could do as you signed the agreements. 


    Your failure to read is your mistake. And you seem fixated on making it into a bigger one. 

    are you saying that CIG can change the 890 jump from an exploration ship to a useless transport ship or a useless roleplaying ship?

    I would like a yes or no answer, please.
    You're quoting other people's opinions. You've not stated anything from CIG that they've changed it's role. Infact, it's clear from the ship stats page that it hasn't changed. Touring - a subset of Exploration. It's been a VIP yacht from the beginning.

    You're only upset because of other peoples opinions apparently. 



    I don't care for  you opinions what is the 890 jump a pledge, purchase or a donation answer the dam question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    So you dont want my opinion, but want my opinion? 

    Is this the same as 'youre from Finland, but not from Finland'? 

    Or that you own an 890J but you dont own an 890J?

    KyleranBig.Daddy.Samedi
  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    edited January 2022
    Kyleran said:
    You can spam your links all you like. Doesnt alter the fact that:

    1. You pledged in 2013 under a certain set of TOS and agreement, agreeing the ship was in concept. 
    2. You pledged an additional 6400USD minimum since then, even under the new agreements. 
    3. You've since melted your 890J and therefore that agreement, as you've put those funds into a new pledge which you have already admitted was the Polaris. 

    You've 'enjoyed' plenty of gametime, continued to pledge post 890J release, and therefore is a moot point. 

    Your eligibility and likelihood of a refund is as likely as me becoming a US president; and i'm British....

    You have literally zero chance of a refund, and any court of law would swing in favour of CIG, especially given the light of some of your posts and the double-standards you're attempting to push, and the defamation attempted. 

    I'd quit before it costs you more than 7000USD personally.... 

    Or sell the 890J on the grey market and be in profit. But that requires you to actually do something other than whinge. 

    I am not going to fight with you law is the law period! all my link pictures all point to what CIg has publicly advertised or topics related to adverting.

    I won the discussion on the spectrum about the 890 jump being an exploration ship.

    now, what is a purchase, donation or pledge needs to be cleared up.

    I live in Canada we very strict laws I doubt CIg can get away with  misleading adverting or TOS and sure other countries would be very interested in.


    it was really nice to see lawyers school CIg white knights on laws. What is a purchase, donation or pledge.
    Canadian laws do not apply as you agreed to the following "contract" which the EULA / TOS clearly state at the very top they are such. (More than once you agreed) 

    You done fu$ked up....bad...better hope a government protection group one day decides to take up your cause as no lawyer is going to, especially if it can't be litigated as a class action so no money in it for them.

    "You and RSI agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between RSI and you individually. To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.

    E. Location

    Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded."

    So no, even your mother country of Finland's laws can't save you.

    ;)




    I really don't know what the hell you're talking about

    anyway here are some quotes from the spectrum
    And this here is the proof in the idiot-pudding. 

    He's quoted contractual legals that you've already agreed to. 

    You're quoting cherry picked/misunderstood opinions on a public forum. 

    are you suggesting am I a lair? yes or no?
    Not suggesting; stating. Yes, you're a liar and fraduster. It's the only logical deduction now. Either that, or an absolute idiot. Perhaps both. 

    really your stating I am a lair then show me where I have lied please many people on mmoprg have called me lair and can't prove it.


    so why are you running from y questions if Iam such a great lair

    people on mmmoprg claim I was from Finland so show me where i stated I am from Finland please.
    You technically did state you were from Finland, which was already made clear to you in a prior post. 

    And you are most certainly not a great liar. Infact, pretty terrible. 
    it was a quote I mean it's clear it was a quote so again your the lair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    don't you mean people on MMORPG are dishonest like you are???

    Kyleran
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,654
    False Flag
    Kyleran

    All time classic  MY NEW FAVORITE POST!  (Keep laying those bricks)

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  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    edited January 2022
    I bought the 890 jump based adverting and what early game devs said the 890 jump would be. The was advertised as an exploration ship I have posted many advertisements.
    Now I am told the 890 jump is some kind of transport ship.  I am now told CIg can do whatever they want with the 890 jump because of TOS

    So is the 890 jump a pledge, donation, or purchase, please..

    You were also told early on it was a concept and subject to change.

    You're were also told early on of what CIG could do as you signed the agreements. 


    Your failure to read is your mistake. And you seem fixated on making it into a bigger one. 

    are you saying that CIG can change the 890 jump from an exploration ship to a useless transport ship or a useless roleplaying ship?

    I would like a yes or no answer, please.
    You're quoting other people's opinions. You've not stated anything from CIG that they've changed it's role. Infact, it's clear from the ship stats page that it hasn't changed. Touring - a subset of Exploration. It's been a VIP yacht from the beginning.

    You're only upset because of other peoples opinions apparently. 



    I don't care for  you opinions what is the 890 jump a pledge, purchase or a donation answer the dam question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    So you dont want my opinion, but want my opinion? 

    Is this the same as 'youre from Finland, but not from Finland'? 

    Or that you own an 890J but you dont own an 890J?


    stop running from my questions

    what is the 890 jump? pledge, purchase, or donation

    the 890 jump marketing looks pretty clear to me it says deep space exploration period!!!

    the chair man letter looks pretty clear to me.



    Kyleran
  • DrSatanDrSatan Member UncommonPosts: 76
    edited January 2022
    Oh. My god.

    This dumpster fire is still going on??

    It's sunday morning. You.. SERIOUSLY..... have nothing at all better to do with your lives than see who can tack the most exclamation points to unanswerable meaningless questions?

    This thread still being alive is an affront to the natural order, let it die. it died the moment you let this dips*it hijack and repeatedly necrorape it back into existence.

    Starting to think this is one person with severe split personality disorder yelling at himself...
    blackdreamhunkKyleran
  • blackdreamhunkblackdreamhunk Member UncommonPosts: 478
    DrSatan said:
    Oh. My god.

    This dumpster fire is still going on??

    It's sunday morning. You.. SERIOUSLY..... have nothing at all better to do with your lives than see who can tack the most exclamation points to unanswerable meaningless questions?

    This thread still being alive is an affront to the natural order, let it die. it died the moment you let this dips*it hijack and repeatedly necrorape it back into existence.

    Starting to think this is one person with severe split personality disorder yelling at himself...

    I don't care for your opinions either
    KyleranBig.Daddy.Samedi
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