Hidetaka Miyazaki Talks Elden Ring's Open World, Lessons from Playtests, Multiplayer, and Accessibil

System · January 2022

Hidetaka Miyazaki Talks Elden Ring's Open World, Lessons from Playtests, Multiplayer, and Accessibility | MMORPG.com

Ahead of next month's Elden Ring release, FromSoftware's Hidetaka Miyazaki gave an interview in which he discusses the game's testing feedback, the choice of a beautiful and gruesome open world, multiplayer, and more.

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eoloe · January 2022

My $60 are ready.

IceAge · January 2022

One Ring to Rule Them All !!

strawhat0981 · January 2022

Whenever a from software game comes out I just get so happy.

kitarad · January 2022

This looks fantastic. I cannot play it. Too difficult the combat but it looks amazing. I'll watch some let's play when it does .

laserit · January 2022

kitarad said:

This looks fantastic. I cannot play it. Too difficult the combat but it looks amazing. I'll watch some let's play when it does .

I don’t see how adding accessibility into a game can be negative in anything. I like how games add things like story mode so as many people as possible can enjoy the game.

It takes nothing away from others enjoyment and is a win win imho

Slapshot1188 · January 2022

I'm a bit put off by the limited multiplayer. Was hoping to play this with friends but it looks like you can just "call for help" to have people join for a limited encounter.

YashaX · January 2022

eoloe said:

My $60 are ready.

Already pre-ordered!

Scorchien · January 2022

mMmmm Spider Senses are tingling on this ..

Not in a good way

finefluff · January 2022

It will be their masterpiece and probably their last "souls" type game for a very long time. Demons' Souls, Dark Souls 1, 2, 3, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Elden Ring. I imagine they will want to try other genres now. There's rumors of a new Armored Core (mech game).

ConstantineMerus · January 2022

finefluff said:

It will be their masterpiece and probably their last "souls" type game for a very long time. Demons' Souls, Dark Souls 1, 2, 3, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Elden Ring. I imagine they will want to try other genres now. There's rumors of a new Armored Core (mech game).

There are rumors about Bloodborne 2 as well.

Linif · January 2022

ConstantineMerus said:

finefluff said:

It will be their masterpiece and probably their last "souls" type game for a very long time. Demons' Souls, Dark Souls 1, 2, 3, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Elden Ring. I imagine they will want to try other genres now. There's rumors of a new Armored Core (mech game).

There are rumors about Bloodborne 2 as well.

Oh I do so hope those rumors are true.

lahnmir · January 2022

Scorchien said:

mMmmm Spider Senses are tingling on this ..

Not in a good way

If it turns out to be really good, can we start yelling ‘Ohh shut up Scorch’ in every single thread about the game?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Scorchien · January 2022

lahnmir said:

Scorchien said:

mMmmm Spider Senses are tingling on this ..

Not in a good way

If it turns out to be really good, can we start yelling ‘Ohh shut up Scorch’ in every single thread about the game?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Absolutely , I've never ducked from being wrong , and welcome it .. I hope it proves me wrong ..

Ill be the first to admit it .. But something is really buggin me with this entire presentation and PR , it feels like they are holding back .. We will find out soon enough..

finefluff · January 2022

ConstantineMerus said:

finefluff said:

It will be their masterpiece and probably their last "souls" type game for a very long time. Demons' Souls, Dark Souls 1, 2, 3, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Elden Ring. I imagine they will want to try other genres now. There's rumors of a new Armored Core (mech game).

There are rumors about Bloodborne 2 as well.

I think Bluepoint is either working on that or a remaster. Sony owns the IP and Bluepoint, so if there was another game, it would be from them.

The_Korrigan · January 2022

laserit said:

kitarad said:

This looks fantastic. I cannot play it. Too difficult the combat but it looks amazing. I'll watch some let's play when it does .

I don’t see how adding accessibility into a game can be negative in anything. I like how games add things like story mode so as many people as possible can enjoy the game.

It takes nothing away from others enjoyment and is a win win imho

Pretty much what's stopping me from buying.

I'm deeply attracted in a RPG, with a cooperative multiplayer mode, and with G.R.R. Martin in its shadows, but I'm too old to deal with "Dark Souls" kind of frustrating gameplay.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2022-01-28-dark-souls-creator-hidetaka-miyazaki-discusses-elden-ring-difficulty

Not good, not good... not good at all.

Viper482 · January 2022

Scorchien said:

mMmmm Spider Senses are tingling on this ..

Not in a good way

It's the hype man, we've been taught to mistrust it due to all the hype gone wrong.

ConstantineMerus · January 2022

finefluff said:

ConstantineMerus said:

finefluff said:

It will be their masterpiece and probably their last "souls" type game for a very long time. Demons' Souls, Dark Souls 1, 2, 3, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Elden Ring. I imagine they will want to try other genres now. There's rumors of a new Armored Core (mech game).

There are rumors about Bloodborne 2 as well.

I think Bluepoint is either working on that or a remaster. Sony owns the IP and Bluepoint, so if there was another game, it would be from them.

I'm not absolutely sure but as far as know Bluepoint is working on the PS5 upgrade and rumor is FromSoftware is working on the sequel.

Neoyoshi · January 2022

I like the idea that the open world environment will play a roll in tackling difficult encounters; I have never been good at this games from FromSoftware, but I'm optimistic about the prospect of having more stealth tactics- which is where more of my gaming strength lay.

Sovrath · January 2022

The_Korrigan said:

laserit said:

kitarad said:

This looks fantastic. I cannot play it. Too difficult the combat but it looks amazing. I'll watch some let's play when it does .

I don’t see how adding accessibility into a game can be negative in anything. I like how games add things like story mode so as many people as possible can enjoy the game.

It takes nothing away from others enjoyment and is a win win imho

Pretty much what's stopping me from buying.

I'm deeply attracted in a RPG, with a cooperative multiplayer mode, and with G.R.R. Martin in its shadows, but I'm too old to deal with "Dark Souls" kind of frustrating gameplay.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2022-01-28-dark-souls-creator-hidetaka-miyazaki-discusses-elden-ring-difficulty

Not good, not good... not good at all.

I wouldn't go that far.

He says that they design their games so that players can overcome adversity. I can confidently say that is how I approach Dark Souls. Though I do have Dark Souls II and III in my steam list.

My thought was, if I can practice and learn the guitar I can practice and learn a controller as the keyboard and mouse for Dark Souls is still "iffy" for me.

Am I amazing? no. Have I downed a few bosses with the first try? Yes! That's a great feeling. Sometimes the defeats drain my energy and I put the game down in order to take a break.

Some say the games aren't difficult but if that was true then this conversation wouldn't be happening. There is truth to the fact that the games get a lot more forgiving the higher you go in level.

Unfortunately many don't get that high as they give up in the lower levels. My opinion is that people don't take the correct attitude and that is their biggest downfall. Instead of finding the deaths funny, finding your mistakes amusing, and getting an enjoyment out of failing, people take it out on themselves, the game and just rage quit in worst case scenarios.

To help that, I've gone into fights with the thought "let's see if I can play my best but STILL die 5 times." Or some such thing. So dying was the real goal. You then relax, and lo and behold sometimes you don't die at all.

If players would shift their paradigm a bit they might be able to enjoy these games and do reasonably well.

Mendel · January 2022

Scorchien said:

lahnmir said:

Scorchien said:

mMmmm Spider Senses are tingling on this ..

Not in a good way

If it turns out to be really good, can we start yelling ‘Ohh shut up Scorch’ in every single thread about the game?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Absolutely , I've never ducked from being wrong , and welcome it .. I hope it proves me wrong ..

Ill be the first to admit it .. But something is really buggin me with this entire presentation and PR , it feels like they are holding back .. We will find out soon enough..

This interview gives me the feeling that it will be mostly a solo game. They are hoping that the players 'embrace the need for help'. No talk about incentives to group up for help and a seeming 'grouping is secondary'/'everyone can overcome' attitude.

With that kind of attitude, how will it distinguish itself from other wanna-be MMORPGs? They talk about art work. There are any number of pretty games that turn out to be empty. Will Elden Ring be great or just another on the inferior pile?

Iselin · January 2022

I've never thought of this as anything other than a single player game with some minor multiplayer interactions like in all previous souls games.

I don't get all the comments about it not being multiplayer enough. Where's that coming from? Did they hype it as multiplayer?

Sovrath · January 2022

Iselin said:

I've never thought of this as anything other than a single player game with some minor multiplayer interactions like in all previous souls games.

I don't get all the comments about it not being multiplayer enough. Where's that coming from? Did they hype it as multiplayer?

I think it's more about players supplying their own narrative. I've never seen them advertise it as a multiplayer game.

Just as an open world game similar in game play to some of their other games, where you can get help from others.

Arglebargle · January 2022

Sovrath said:

The_Korrigan said:

laserit said:

kitarad said:

This looks fantastic. I cannot play it. Too difficult the combat but it looks amazing. I'll watch some let's play when it does .

I don’t see how adding accessibility into a game can be negative in anything. I like how games add things like story mode so as many people as possible can enjoy the game.

It takes nothing away from others enjoyment and is a win win imho

Pretty much what's stopping me from buying.

I'm deeply attracted in a RPG, with a cooperative multiplayer mode, and with G.R.R. Martin in its shadows, but I'm too old to deal with "Dark Souls" kind of frustrating gameplay.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2022-01-28-dark-souls-creator-hidetaka-miyazaki-discusses-elden-ring-difficulty

Not good, not good... not good at all.

I wouldn't go that far.

He says that they design their games so that players can overcome adversity. I can confidently say that is how I approach Dark Souls. Though I do have Dark Souls II and III in my steam list.

My thought was, if I can practice and learn the guitar I can practice and learn a controller as the keyboard and mouse for Dark Souls is still "iffy" for me.

Am I amazing? no. Have I downed a few bosses with the first try? Yes! That's a great feeling. Sometimes the defeats drain my energy and I put the game down in order to take a break.

Some say the games aren't difficult but if that was true then this conversation wouldn't be happening. There is truth to the fact that the games get a lot more forgiving the higher you go in level.

Unfortunately many don't get that high as they give up in the lower levels. My opinion is that people don't take the correct attitude and that is their biggest downfall. Instead of finding the deaths funny, finding your mistakes amusing, and getting an enjoyment out of failing, people take it out on themselves, the game and just rage quit in worst case scenarios.

To help that, I've gone into fights with the thought "let's see if I can play my best but STILL die 5 times." Or some such thing. So dying was the real goal. You then relax, and lo and behold sometimes you don't die at all.

If players would shift their paradigm a bit they might be able to enjoy these games and do reasonably well.

My 'correct attitude' is that I don't like that sort of game play. Not interested in suffering through hairshirt games. Not interested in continually replaying stuff til I learn the trick. Don't like checkpoint saving. There was a time when hardware and memory constraints were such that that made a certain sense. Now it has evolved into a stylistic decision. A decision I don't like, but hey, not every game is for everyone.

When I look at my game backlog, fitting into game styles I don't prefer starts to look like a poor use of my time.

cheyane · January 2022

Here's the thing I feel that people who manage to play a game like Dark Souls and kill the mobs do not really understand that certain people just cannot do it. They think that if you practice enough you'll eventually get it and that the reason you don't is because you give up.

For me I get massive headaches when I keep trying. I mean really bad headaches from trying and trying. I was trying to get across a cliff and progress in Shadow of the Tomb Raider. I tried like a 100 times and may be made it twice then faced my next obstacle after that and kept dying again. I just don't have the motor ability to succeed. Most people say you can achieve that by practice but it's because they have never actually faced this inability themselves. Not everything can be solved this way and it is horribly unfun and not worth it even when you manage it after a hundred tries. I just felt drained and completely wasted. Thank goodness it was the demo and I had not bought the game.

I prefer to just watch the game on youtube if I really want it.

I could play Horizon Zero Dawn because they had a lot of assisted climbing.

I am not saying games should make that allowance for people like me . I merely wish to dispel the notion that the reason we never get past the first past is because we are not trying enough.

lahnmir · January 2022

Sovrath said:

The_Korrigan said:

laserit said:

kitarad said:

This looks fantastic. I cannot play it. Too difficult the combat but it looks amazing. I'll watch some let's play when it does .

I don’t see how adding accessibility into a game can be negative in anything. I like how games add things like story mode so as many people as possible can enjoy the game.

It takes nothing away from others enjoyment and is a win win imho

Pretty much what's stopping me from buying.

I'm deeply attracted in a RPG, with a cooperative multiplayer mode, and with G.R.R. Martin in its shadows, but I'm too old to deal with "Dark Souls" kind of frustrating gameplay.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2022-01-28-dark-souls-creator-hidetaka-miyazaki-discusses-elden-ring-difficulty

Not good, not good... not good at all.

I wouldn't go that far.

He says that they design their games so that players can overcome adversity. I can confidently say that is how I approach Dark Souls. Though I do have Dark Souls II and III in my steam list.

My thought was, if I can practice and learn the guitar I can practice and learn a controller as the keyboard and mouse for Dark Souls is still "iffy" for me.

Am I amazing? no. Have I downed a few bosses with the first try? Yes! That's a great feeling. Sometimes the defeats drain my energy and I put the game down in order to take a break.

Some say the games aren't difficult but if that was true then this conversation wouldn't be happening. There is truth to the fact that the games get a lot more forgiving the higher you go in level.

Unfortunately many don't get that high as they give up in the lower levels. My opinion is that people don't take the correct attitude and that is their biggest downfall. Instead of finding the deaths funny, finding your mistakes amusing, and getting an enjoyment out of failing, people take it out on themselves, the game and just rage quit in worst case scenarios.

To help that, I've gone into fights with the thought "let's see if I can play my best but STILL die 5 times." Or some such thing. So dying was the real goal. You then relax, and lo and behold sometimes you don't die at all.

If players would shift their paradigm a bit they might be able to enjoy these games and do reasonably well.

The oversight is that people don’t realize that dying and doing it over again are an essential part of the Souls genre, you are supposed to learn through defeat. Many call the dying part failing and give up, the dying part is an essential part of the experience though. This has been boiled down to the indeed toxic ‘git gud’ but there is truth in there, learn, adapt, try again. And then, by the skin of your teeth, succeed.

Sekiro for instance ups these stakes times hundred. It is a ruthless rock, paper, scissors game of blocking, dodging and parrying where you have to learn every enemy move and learn how to time each countermove perfectly. You do so by trying, dying, adapting. The Souls game leave room for cheesing, levelling etc. Sekiro strips all of that away and leaves the essential part in tact, honed to perfection and more brutal than anything Souls can ever throw at you.

The Soulsborne genre requires a different mindset, defeat and dying are simply lessons to learn, not failure. You don’t even have to be fast for the Souls games (Sekiro is a different matter), just patient, methodical and composed.

Got Elden Ring preordered, we’ll see how it turns out.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

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