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  • PurplePepePurplePepe Member UncommonPosts: 122
    The United States buys hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil from Russia every month. We have not stopped even with the Ukraine war. So you can virtue signal all you want by not gaming and pouring out vodka but it is meaningless. 
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  • fineflufffinefluff Member RarePosts: 561
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    Really, if you boycott Russian games, for the same reasons, you should boycott US games too.

    Russia doesn’t make many interesting games though. At least, I’ve never been interested in one, except Tetris.
    ConstantineMerusKyleran
  • BLNXBLNX Member UncommonPosts: 275
    If boycotting Russia means boycotting Tetris, then we have a real problem here...
    delete5230Kyleran
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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    Scorchien said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Well , no , it started about Fallout , unless you are saying it's OK  to support the Russian pub/ dev other products .. my follow up  comment was about 1c in general , very little of the world evolves around Kyleran outside his litterbox
    It started with Kyleran saying he boycotts Russian games and then you incorrectly stating that Fallout is developed by a Russian company. When someone corrected your mistake and Kyleran expressed his relief at the fact that Fallout isn't actually developed by a Russian company, you replied with:

    So ,  , if it's a Dev it's OK to boycott , but if it's a publisher it's OK to consume .. ...

    Got it ..  lol

    Which made no sense since no one was suggesting that.
    1c publishes Fallout in Russia yes 

    1C also publishes ans dev games internationaly ..yes
      1C is a dev and pub .. so the discussion branched to 1c in its entirety 

    Conversations evolve and branch . For most people it's not hard to follow along ..

    So it's like saying you want boycott Herrs potatoe chips while eating Herrs pretzels 
    How the conversation should have went.

    Kyleran: "I have no problem boycotting Russian Games"
    Scorchien: "Thought you were a Fallout fan .. if so 1C is. Russian dev.."
    worldsbestdad: "1C is a russian publisher. They had nothing to do with the development of any of the Fallout games, their involvement was publishing the game to Russia."
    Scorchien: "Oh, my bad"

    Instead you decided to make an insinuation that made no sense given the context, then changed the goalpost and talked about 1C's other games internationally. And now the little insults "For most people it's not hard to follow along".

    [Deleted User][Deleted User]KyleranIselinYashaX
  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    A university in Milan banned Dostoevsky. They backed out of their decision quickly but when an academic institute does something this stupid what else can be expected from anyone else. Ah yes, beating the crap out of Asian people and boycotting their businesses when COVID hit. 

    I have so many nice memories from Americans. US staged a coup in my country and toppled a democratic government to control our oil. Shot down a commercial airplane during a war that US was neutral to force ceasefire. Killed an innocent friend of mine in a drone strike who was a doctor who went back to his country to help his people, inside a school that was turned into an emergency medical aid center. I can write pages. But these three should suffice to know where I'm coming from. 

    In my entire life I have never hated any Americans for it. Never wanted anyone to be hurt. Heck I even donated to the US veterans a couple of times because I don't blame them. They too are the victims of politicians in my opinion. I don't even blame the people who support those politicians because the world isn't black and white. 

    What I'm going to do is to buy every Russian game that I currently don't own on PSN. I also outsource some work to a Russian company from time to time, I don't have anything for them to do right now but I'm going to make a large advanced payment since they only work for clients from UK and I guess they have lost a lot if not all of their clients. 

    It is funny that everything seems to be fair game here unless you are talking about P2E games or something. That gets banned on the clock. 

    As I said before, I mind the hypocrisy above everything else. And the sheer amount of it that I'm reading here has made me not want to be a part of this community anymore. I understand it doesn't mean anything, but it means something for me. Enjoy spreading your hate. 

    Peace. 
    finefluffMendelVermillion_Raventhal[Deleted User]
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Well , no , it started about Fallout , unless you are saying it's OK  to support the Russian pub/ dev other products .. my follow up  comment was about 1c in general , very little of the world evolves around Kyleran outside his litterbox
    It started with Kyleran saying he boycotts Russian games and then you incorrectly stating that Fallout is developed by a Russian company. When someone corrected your mistake and Kyleran expressed his relief at the fact that Fallout isn't actually developed by a Russian company, you replied with:

    So ,  , if it's a Dev it's OK to boycott , but if it's a publisher it's OK to consume .. ...

    Got it ..  lol

    Which made no sense since no one was suggesting that.
    1c publishes Fallout in Russia yes 

    1C also publishes ans dev games internationaly ..yes
      1C is a dev and pub .. so the discussion branched to 1c in its entirety 

    Conversations evolve and branch . For most people it's not hard to follow along ..

    So it's like saying you want boycott Herrs potatoe chips while eating Herrs pretzels 
    How the conversation should have went.

    Kyleran: "I have no problem boycotting Russian Games"
    Scorchien: "Thought you were a Fallout fan .. if so 1C is. Russian dev.."
    worldsbestdad: "1C is a russian publisher. They had nothing to do with the development of any of the Fallout games, their involvement was publishing the game to Russia."
    Scorchien: "Oh, my bad"

    Instead you decided to make an insinuation that made no sense given the context, then changed the goalpost and talked about 1C's other games internationally. And now the little insults "For most people it's not hard to follow along".

    I forgot , your semantics guy ..

    Of course for the smart kids when discussing a Corp and boycotting them it would not be restricted to a single product.  The discussion could lead to the Corp as a whole and what support they get .  

    The other kids only see the small picture ( but but but , " it was about Kyleran and Fallout "

    We should all strive to not be the other kid ..
    Get a grip on your yourself .. it's a big world
    YashaX
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    Scorchien said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Well , no , it started about Fallout , unless you are saying it's OK  to support the Russian pub/ dev other products .. my follow up  comment was about 1c in general , very little of the world evolves around Kyleran outside his litterbox
    It started with Kyleran saying he boycotts Russian games and then you incorrectly stating that Fallout is developed by a Russian company. When someone corrected your mistake and Kyleran expressed his relief at the fact that Fallout isn't actually developed by a Russian company, you replied with:

    So ,  , if it's a Dev it's OK to boycott , but if it's a publisher it's OK to consume .. ...

    Got it ..  lol

    Which made no sense since no one was suggesting that.
    1c publishes Fallout in Russia yes 

    1C also publishes ans dev games internationaly ..yes
      1C is a dev and pub .. so the discussion branched to 1c in its entirety 

    Conversations evolve and branch . For most people it's not hard to follow along ..

    So it's like saying you want boycott Herrs potatoe chips while eating Herrs pretzels 
    How the conversation should have went.

    Kyleran: "I have no problem boycotting Russian Games"
    Scorchien: "Thought you were a Fallout fan .. if so 1C is. Russian dev.."
    worldsbestdad: "1C is a russian publisher. They had nothing to do with the development of any of the Fallout games, their involvement was publishing the game to Russia."
    Scorchien: "Oh, my bad"

    Instead you decided to make an insinuation that made no sense given the context, then changed the goalpost and talked about 1C's other games internationally. And now the little insults "For most people it's not hard to follow along".

    I forgot , your semantics guy ..

    Of course for the smart kids when discussing a Corp and boycotting them it would not be restricted to a single product.  The discussion could lead to the Corp as a whole and what support they get .  

    The other kids only see the small picture ( but but but , " it was about Kyleran and Fallout "

    We should all strive to not be the other kid ..
    Get a grip on your yourself .. it's a big world
    Oh look, more passive-aggressive insults...lol.
    [Deleted User]YashaX
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Well , no , it started about Fallout , unless you are saying it's OK  to support the Russian pub/ dev other products .. my follow up  comment was about 1c in general , very little of the world evolves around Kyleran outside his litterbox
    It started with Kyleran saying he boycotts Russian games and then you incorrectly stating that Fallout is developed by a Russian company. When someone corrected your mistake and Kyleran expressed his relief at the fact that Fallout isn't actually developed by a Russian company, you replied with:

    So ,  , if it's a Dev it's OK to boycott , but if it's a publisher it's OK to consume .. ...

    Got it ..  lol

    Which made no sense since no one was suggesting that.
    1c publishes Fallout in Russia yes 

    1C also publishes ans dev games internationaly ..yes
      1C is a dev and pub .. so the discussion branched to 1c in its entirety 

    Conversations evolve and branch . For most people it's not hard to follow along ..

    So it's like saying you want boycott Herrs potatoe chips while eating Herrs pretzels 
    How the conversation should have went.

    Kyleran: "I have no problem boycotting Russian Games"
    Scorchien: "Thought you were a Fallout fan .. if so 1C is. Russian dev.."
    worldsbestdad: "1C is a russian publisher. They had nothing to do with the development of any of the Fallout games, their involvement was publishing the game to Russia."
    Scorchien: "Oh, my bad"

    Instead you decided to make an insinuation that made no sense given the context, then changed the goalpost and talked about 1C's other games internationally. And now the little insults "For most people it's not hard to follow along".

    I forgot , your semantics guy ..

    Of course for the smart kids when discussing a Corp and boycotting them it would not be restricted to a single product.  The discussion could lead to the Corp as a whole and what support they get .  

    The other kids only see the small picture ( but but but , " it was about Kyleran and Fallout "

    We should all strive to not be the other kid ..
    Get a grip on your yourself .. it's a big world
    Oh look, more passive-aggressive insults...lol.
    Lol.. they are very direct ...

    Have a nice weekend 
    Kyleran
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    Scorchien said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Well , no , it started about Fallout , unless you are saying it's OK  to support the Russian pub/ dev other products .. my follow up  comment was about 1c in general , very little of the world evolves around Kyleran outside his litterbox
    It started with Kyleran saying he boycotts Russian games and then you incorrectly stating that Fallout is developed by a Russian company. When someone corrected your mistake and Kyleran expressed his relief at the fact that Fallout isn't actually developed by a Russian company, you replied with:

    So ,  , if it's a Dev it's OK to boycott , but if it's a publisher it's OK to consume .. ...

    Got it ..  lol

    Which made no sense since no one was suggesting that.
    1c publishes Fallout in Russia yes 

    1C also publishes ans dev games internationaly ..yes
      1C is a dev and pub .. so the discussion branched to 1c in its entirety 

    Conversations evolve and branch . For most people it's not hard to follow along ..

    So it's like saying you want boycott Herrs potatoe chips while eating Herrs pretzels 
    How the conversation should have went.

    Kyleran: "I have no problem boycotting Russian Games"
    Scorchien: "Thought you were a Fallout fan .. if so 1C is. Russian dev.."
    worldsbestdad: "1C is a russian publisher. They had nothing to do with the development of any of the Fallout games, their involvement was publishing the game to Russia."
    Scorchien: "Oh, my bad"

    Instead you decided to make an insinuation that made no sense given the context, then changed the goalpost and talked about 1C's other games internationally. And now the little insults "For most people it's not hard to follow along".

    I forgot , your semantics guy ..

    Of course for the smart kids when discussing a Corp and boycotting them it would not be restricted to a single product.  The discussion could lead to the Corp as a whole and what support they get .  

    The other kids only see the small picture ( but but but , " it was about Kyleran and Fallout "

    We should all strive to not be the other kid ..
    Get a grip on your yourself .. it's a big world
    Oh look, more passive-aggressive insults...lol.
    Lol.. they are very direct ...

    Have a nice weekend 
    Well at least you admit that you had to stoop down to insults. Could have saved everyone some time if you had just admitted you were wrong to begin with.

    Have a nice weekend  ;) 
    [Deleted User]YashaX
  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,852
    Kyleran said:
    jitter77 said:
    I don't understand the boycott Russia this and that.  The majority of the Russian people and probably alot of the Russian soldiers don't want this war.   Not sure why we would be punishing russian athletes / games / whatever when they have nothing to do with what Putin or the govt does.    
    The only way to punish a government  (outside of by force of arms) is through it's commerce which impacts it's people unfortunately.

    I haven't read the entire thread, so apologies.
    You are absolutely right. 
    There's also the effect of the pressure an unhappy population puts on their leadership. 

    None of us wanted this, but it's here. The world needs to react in the strongest measures possible, like it or not. 
    Forgrimm[Deleted User]KyleranArglebargleYashaX

    Once upon a time....

  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    Well , no , it started about Fallout , unless you are saying it's OK  to support the Russian pub/ dev other products .. my follow up  comment was about 1c in general , very little of the world evolves around Kyleran outside his litterbox
    It started with Kyleran saying he boycotts Russian games and then you incorrectly stating that Fallout is developed by a Russian company. When someone corrected your mistake and Kyleran expressed his relief at the fact that Fallout isn't actually developed by a Russian company, you replied with:

    So ,  , if it's a Dev it's OK to boycott , but if it's a publisher it's OK to consume .. ...

    Got it ..  lol

    Which made no sense since no one was suggesting that.
    1c publishes Fallout in Russia yes 

    1C also publishes ans dev games internationaly ..yes
      1C is a dev and pub .. so the discussion branched to 1c in its entirety 

    Conversations evolve and branch . For most people it's not hard to follow along ..

    So it's like saying you want boycott Herrs potatoe chips while eating Herrs pretzels 
    How the conversation should have went.

    Kyleran: "I have no problem boycotting Russian Games"
    Scorchien: "Thought you were a Fallout fan .. if so 1C is. Russian dev.."
    worldsbestdad: "1C is a russian publisher. They had nothing to do with the development of any of the Fallout games, their involvement was publishing the game to Russia."
    Scorchien: "Oh, my bad"

    Instead you decided to make an insinuation that made no sense given the context, then changed the goalpost and talked about 1C's other games internationally. And now the little insults "For most people it's not hard to follow along".

    I forgot , your semantics guy ..

    Of course for the smart kids when discussing a Corp and boycotting them it would not be restricted to a single product.  The discussion could lead to the Corp as a whole and what support they get .  

    The other kids only see the small picture ( but but but , " it was about Kyleran and Fallout "

    We should all strive to not be the other kid ..
    Get a grip on your yourself .. it's a big world
    Oh look, more passive-aggressive insults...lol.
    Lol.. they are very direct ...

    Have a nice weekend 
    Well at least you admit that you had to stoop down to insults. Could have saved everyone some time if you had just admitted you were wrong to begin with.

    Have a nice weekend  ;) 
    I realize the dicussion branched off into 1 C as a whole and im sorry if that was to much for you to keep up with ..

     But you keep trying im rooting for you .

    YashaX
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    Scorchien said:
    I realize the dicussion branched off into 1 C as a whole and im sorry if that was to much for you to keep up with ..

     But you keep trying im rooting for you .

    It branched off into 1C as a whole so you could move the goalpost rather than admit that your original comment was factually incorrect and your follow-up insinuation didn't make sense within the context of the discussion at that time. Anyway, I have zero interest in having a discussion with someone who resorts to insults and snide remarks.  So in the famous words of our resident rabbit Erillion, "Have fun".
    [Deleted User]IselinYashaX
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Forgrimm said:
    Scorchien said:
    I realize the dicussion branched off into 1 C as a whole and im sorry if that was to much for you to keep up with ..

     But you keep trying im rooting for you .

    It branched off into 1C as a whole so you could move the goalpost rather than admit that your original comment was factually incorrect and your follow-up insinuation didn't make sense within the context of the discussion at that time. Anyway, I have zero interest in having a discussion with someone who resorts to insults and snide remarks.  So in the famous words of our resident rabbit Erillion, "Have fun".

    No, go read the Title of the thread again ..

    Boycotting Russian games.


      Now breathe ..

      Its about Russian Devs .. So at that point in the discussion it was a good point to let people know that 1C is a Russian International Dev..

      Again sorry if it is to much for you to keep up with ..

      Sorry i carried the discussion to the point of the entire thread..

       I will try to keep things simple for you next time ..

      Like

      See Forgrimm run..

     

     

    YashaX
  • MadBomber13MadBomber13 Member UncommonPosts: 133
    Going to boycott this thread as it has devolved into personal attacks and nitpicking and discussing geopolitics in a gaming forum is laughable and amusing at best, soul achingly depressing in a have-lost-faith-in-humanity sort of way.

    Join the movement! 
    Forgrimm
  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 4,198
    ConstantineMerus said:
    A university in Milan banned Dostoevsky. They backed out of their decision quickly but when an academic institute does something this stupid what else can be expected from anyone else. Ah yes, beating the crap out of Asian people and boycotting their businesses when COVID hit. 

    I have so many nice memories from Americans. US staged a coup in my country and toppled a democratic government to control our oil. Shot down a commercial airplane during a war that US was neutral to force ceasefire. Killed an innocent friend of mine in a drone strike who was a doctor who went back to his country to help his people, inside a school that was turned into an emergency medical aid center. I can write pages. But these three should suffice to know where I'm coming from. 

    In my entire life I have never hated any Americans for it. Never wanted anyone to be hurt. Heck I even donated to the US veterans a couple of times because I don't blame them. They too are the victims of politicians in my opinion. I don't even blame the people who support those politicians because the world isn't black and white. 

    What I'm going to do is to buy every Russian game that I currently don't own on PSN. I also outsource some work to a Russian company from time to time, I don't have anything for them to do right now but I'm going to make a large advanced payment since they only work for clients from UK and I guess they have lost a lot if not all of their clients. 

    It is funny that everything seems to be fair game here unless you are talking about P2E games or something. That gets banned on the clock. 

    As I said before, I mind the hypocrisy above everything else. And the sheer amount of it that I'm reading here has made me not want to be a part of this community anymore. I understand it doesn't mean anything, but it means something for me. Enjoy spreading your hate. 

    Peace. 
    The problem most people only have Western views of things. Ukraine is a white European country and wow here comes the outrage.  Some country in Africa/Middle East gets rolled in and nobody blinks an eye. 

    Western Countries have been using the world outside the eyes of it's people as playgrounds for decades. You didn't see boycotts of the Alliance that invaded Iraq on flimsy if even if true premise. Biden voted for that war that killed millions directly and indirectly. Now he's self righteous.

    But yes fuck the Russian government. Fuck most governments.   
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  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 3,029
    A team of locals down the road makes Russian games outside of Russia. So, it's only them your affecting.

    This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

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  • RungarRungar Member RarePosts: 1,132
    i only boycott things that im not allowed to boycott. 
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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    edited March 2022
    Some Russian players of Elden Ring got booted from the game lately, game was removed from their lib and they got a refund apparantly.

    Seems like those financial sanctions against Russian banks and the like are taking effect even in steam as steam is probably unable to get the money they are owed for the game purchase.


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  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,852
    Vermillion_Raventhal said:
    ConstantineMerus said:
    A university in Milan banned Dostoevsky. They backed out of their decision quickly but when an academic institute does something this stupid what else can be expected from anyone else. Ah yes, beating the crap out of Asian people and boycotting their businesses when COVID hit. 

    I have so many nice memories from Americans. US staged a coup in my country and toppled a democratic government to control our oil. Shot down a commercial airplane during a war that US was neutral to force ceasefire. Killed an innocent friend of mine in a drone strike who was a doctor who went back to his country to help his people, inside a school that was turned into an emergency medical aid center. I can write pages. But these three should suffice to know where I'm coming from. 

    In my entire life I have never hated any Americans for it. Never wanted anyone to be hurt. Heck I even donated to the US veterans a couple of times because I don't blame them. They too are the victims of politicians in my opinion. I don't even blame the people who support those politicians because the world isn't black and white. 

    What I'm going to do is to buy every Russian game that I currently don't own on PSN. I also outsource some work to a Russian company from time to time, I don't have anything for them to do right now but I'm going to make a large advanced payment since they only work for clients from UK and I guess they have lost a lot if not all of their clients. 

    It is funny that everything seems to be fair game here unless you are talking about P2E games or something. That gets banned on the clock. 

    As I said before, I mind the hypocrisy above everything else. And the sheer amount of it that I'm reading here has made me not want to be a part of this community anymore. I understand it doesn't mean anything, but it means something for me. Enjoy spreading your hate. 

    Peace. 
    The problem most people only have Western views of things. Ukraine is a white European country and wow here comes the outrage.  Some country in Africa/Middle East gets rolled in and nobody blinks an eye. 

    Western Countries have been using the world outside the eyes of it's people as playgrounds for decades. You didn't see boycotts of the Alliance that invaded Iraq on flimsy if even if true premise. Biden voted for that war that killed millions directly and indirectly. Now he's self righteous.

    But yes fuck the Russian government. Fuck most governments.   
    You two seem to me to be operating with only partial information. 
    But you're not being specific so, while I can guess to most of it, I'm not going to bother. 

    Once upon a time....

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,058
    Asm0deus said:
    Some Russian players of Elden Ring got booted from the game lately, game was removed from their lib and they got a refund apparantly.

    Seems like those financial sanctions against Russian banks and the like are taking effect even in steam as steam is probably unable to get the money they are owed for the game purchase.


    Oh yeah, definitely what happened to those gamers.  Steam can't do business with Russians since the banks are locking them all out.

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  • OldKingLogOldKingLog Member RarePosts: 601
    *Ambles innocently into thread* * does a quick skim of the posts* ....


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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    finefluff said:
    Really, if you boycott Russian games, for the same reasons, you should boycott US games too.

    Russia doesn’t make many interesting games though. At least, I’ve never been interested in one, except Tetris.
    Alexey Pajitnov (the creator of Tetris) didn't actually make any money off of Tetris until 1996.  When he originally created the game in 1984 in the Soviet Union, individuals weren't allowed to make money like that as everything was officially owned by the communist government.

    He moved to the United States in 1991, so today, he's an American, and the Russian government doesn't still make money off of him.  Boycotting all people and things that are ethnically Russian would be stupid.
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  • TokkenTokken Member EpicPosts: 3,649
    Not everyone in Russia condones what's happening in Ukraine.  Boycotting Russia is too generalized.
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