I hope people realize that we don't have any objective info about what is going on and it is really hard to be aware of how things really are, especially for the elder people. And the more we get excluded from the other world, especially civilized world, the less is the opportunity for our nation to have free access to the objective information. Which is only good for current regime.
Basically, all, literally ALL the sanctions are aimed against our civilians and will leave current regime unharmed if not even more powerful.
Not to mention that thousands of McD restaurants, Pepsi factories and hundreds of other western companies were providing tens of thousands jobs for people who are now going to face most extreme and brutal economic crysis and unemployment.
Our country's next obvious manuver, and steps are already being made in that direction, is close cooperation with China.
We are just people trying to live. We are against any kind of aggression and hope that peace will soon be established. No people should die in stupid wars. I really hope this all ends well.
We are a great nation, and we are a european culture. I can only imagine how hard it is going to be for me and millions of russians to accomodate with eastern culture and this whole new world. It is just sad that people of my generation (born in 1996) are constantly having their wings broken. First in 2014, then Covid, now this. My whole life since I was 18 is just mess with complete uncertainty about everything. I cannot plan anything anymore. I dont even know what is going to happen next hour.
Welcome to the forums!
You are raising a concern I had myself, many Russians must now be saying 'why are we not doing more business with those who do not care so much about what our international polices and actions are?' That is not to say Russia could do without the Western market, but they could look more to other global sectors.
Trading blocks help create ally blocks and linking Russia to China would not help stability on the global stage. But some sanctions had to be done, my concern is that our media driven leaders and our social media driven citizens will push the sanctions way too far.
the "west" is isolating itself or should I say cancelling itself? All by design. Pivot to Asia nearing completion.
China and Russia have always been bed buddies. No major change to world operations is happening other than every country worth a shit in this world that isn't China is vehemently against Russia and has turned them into a pariah. China isn't speaking out against Russia because they want to use the Russian example here to do the same to Taiwan later.
This is actually not true. China and Russia had a contentious relations for a while. They even had border disputes between their soldiers. As a general rule tho, while rivals, it's been more of a simmer than actual conflict.
Not to get too political, but some people think that America and China are historic enemies, when we are the number one consumer of all their shit.
Yes, and they are the number one consumer of our debt
dang right!
As I understand it, China was the only nation keeping the American Dollar from tanking hard, as apparently even America is not doing a good job from keeping the USD from crashing.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
China and the US are tied to the same anchor rode. If the West tanks, who does China sell to? Now, any time they think they can go it alone, they can bring it down. Russia is not a substitute.
Had a friend whose books were popular in Poland back in the day. He had an account full of Zlotys that he could not get. Was considering a trip to Poland to use some of it up. The game companies are looking at sales in Rubles that they can't easily access now, so they make this move. Win/win for them.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
The United States pretty much had to impose sanctions. Yes, they bring a lot of collateral damage, both to businesses and to humans. And yes, the situation is hurting people in Ukraine, in Russia, and in a lot of other places around the world that rely on trade with either of them. But the alternative of not imposing sanctions would be even worse.
If Russia rolled to an easy victory, then Putin would conclude that invading Ukraine was a good idea, and would move on to invading the rest of Georgia, or Azerbaijan, or Latvia, or somewhere else. Most of the countries that border Russia have good reason to fear that Russia will invade.
And it's not just about Russia, either. Plenty of other dictators pondering their own bad behavior are watching to see how this plays out. China considering an invasion of Taiwan is merely the most obvious. If it looks like Putin comes out ahead and the rest of the world doesn't do much in response, then that's a green light for more wars that bring more collateral damage.
Unfortunately, it's very unlikely that sanctions will convince a chastened Putin to order the Russian army to retreat in humiliation. Even if that would be the best option for Russia, it would be personally disastrous for Putin, as it would leave him politically wounded. Dictators need to look invincible. Once a dictator starts losing and people think that he is likely to be overthrown, people are far more likely to act to make that happen.
As such, I only see three ways that this can end:
1) Russia successfully subjugates Ukraine and Putin gets to do whatever it is that he wanted to Ukraine. 2) Putin gets killed or overthrown. Unless he flees into exile, if he gets overthrown, he'll probably get killed in the process. 3) Some deal gets worked out that allows Putin to claim victory and withdraw, thus allowing Ukraine to also claim victory.
If the war is clearly going badly for Russia, then (2) likely ends it. Whoever succeeds Putin likely isn't personally invested in his invasion of Ukraine and can end it in exchange for sanctions being dropped. This doesn't require Putin's successor to be benevolent; it could just as well work that way even if he's more evil than Putin.
Either (1) or (2) could easily take years, which would be devastating for the people involved. Most of the world's economy can adjust in time to not trading with Russia or Ukraine, but Ukrainians would suffer tremendously, and Russians would also suffer quite a bit, too.
Option (3) could happen quickly, but will take some real creativity, and the more time passes, the harder it will be to pull off. War is always a net loss for the world, and bigger wars are bigger net losses, making it harder for both sides to simultaneously have a colorable claim for having come out ahead.
The American assassination of Qasem Soleimani is perhaps the best example of (3) that I have. Iran has long been the world's main state sponsor of terrorism, so Trump ordered the assassination of their top military official who had been responsible for much of the mischief.
Iran pretty much had to retaliate, but needed to do so in a way that didn't force America to further escalate the situation. So they launched a number of missiles that landed in the desert near an American military base in Iraq. The immediate reaction from America was, ha ha, they missed, everything is fine. So America didn't need to escalate the situation.
But Iran's leaders needed to be able to claim for their domestic audience that they had won the confrontation and avenged Soleimani's death. Merely launching some missiles that land harmlessly in the desert doesn't do that.
Shortly after that, there were some bizarre stories in American media to the effect that those Iranian missiles that didn't hit anything had somehow caused horrible brain injuries to a bunch of Americans who had to be evacuated. Weirdly, this wasn't followed by a bunch of hand-wringing commentary. After publishing the stories claiming that it had happened, American media all across the political spectrum basically acted like it hadn't and the stories had never existed.
This is my speculation, but I think that the stories were made up to give Iranian leaders something that they could publicly point to in order to say, see, we avenged Soleimani. Meanwhile, they'd quietly take home the intended lesson that they had pushed too far, which got Trump to smack them in a creative way that they cared about.
Of course, then came COVID, which prevents us from knowing what would otherwise have happened in subsequent months. But after that quick exchange, both sides were able to drop the matter without further escalation. Of course, it's much harder to quietly drop an invasion involving more than a hundred thousand troops.
You're right, that whole exchange with the killing of the Irani "mastermind" was odd, in retrospect. It disappeared from the media fairly quickly and without fanfare, if I recall.
Thank you for posting here and welcome to the forums.
But for others here, I'd like to add to what he said. You know how hard it is to figure out what is actually true and what isn't even in a society where people are free to say whatever they want without being prosecuted for it? Even if you think you've personally got it all figured out, just think of how hard it is for those buffoons on the other side who believe all sorts of crazy things.
Well, it doesn't get any easier to figure out what is actually true if you live in a society like Russia where saying something that the government doesn't like can land you in prison or worse.
Exactly. We have been stripped of our right to be free in our public opinion years ago. People fear for their families, so they will never say anything against the current regime. I would never post anything like that on russian forums or social networks, because they are being watched and posts like these could lead to some real bad consequences.
Not to mention that since this so called "special operation" (here in Russia we legally cannot call it war, cos if you do that, you would get in jail for a few months) we lost a few popular and credible liberal radio stations, websites, TV channels. Despite them being quite popular and well-known, they were just shut down and that's it.
Feels like I'm living in North Korea sometimes, cos there's no where to flee since everyone hates you if you're russian. We're unwanted in any part of civilized world.
I know it all sounds like whining compared to what the ukranian people are going through but after all both of our peoples are going to suffer and I only wish the best for those who had to leave their homes cos that's all I can do.
Well Cuba would probably still welcome you.... Oh, nevermind...
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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In the News, Russia just reduced a lot of copyright protections, and basically officially sanctioned and supported pirating software.
This should be fun to watch unfold.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
they have been insulating themselves from us for a while. That should tell you something.
Now under the guise of these sanctions they are free to completely disconnect from the corrupted west. Next china will disconnect (through Taiwan) and the west is basically done.
once thats done they can get on with their belt and road project which doesn't go to america. This is what you get for hosting the parasite.
they have been insulating themselves from us for a while. That should tell you something.
Now under the guise of these sanctions they are free to completely disconnect from the corrupted west. Next china will disconnect (through Taiwan) and the west is basically done.
once thats done they can get on with their belt and road project which doesn't go to america. This is what you get for hosting the parasite.
enjoy your $10/liter gas and $100 steaks.
I just cooked a brisket, cost me 98 Dollars, took 12 hours to cook fully, and I ate that for 3 days, was.. amazing.
So I enjoyed the hell out of my 100 dollar cut of meat.. I hope you all do too.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
they have been insulating themselves from us for a while. That should tell you something.
Now under the guise of these sanctions they are free to completely disconnect from the corrupted west. Next china will disconnect (through Taiwan) and the west is basically done.
once thats done they can get on with their belt and road project which doesn't go to america. This is what you get for hosting the parasite.
enjoy your $10/liter gas and $100 steaks.
I just cooked a brisket, cost me 98 Dollars, took 12 hours to cook fully, and I ate that for 3 days, was.. amazing.
So I enjoyed the hell out of my 100 dollar cut of meat.. I hope you all do too.
I raise my own cows...and eat them. Now I just need my own oil well.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
The United States pretty much had to impose sanctions. Yes, they bring a lot of collateral damage, both to businesses and to humans. And yes, the situation is hurting people in Ukraine, in Russia, and in a lot of other places around the world that rely on trade with either of them. But the alternative of not imposing sanctions would be even worse.
If Russia rolled to an easy victory, then Putin would conclude that invading Ukraine was a good idea, and would move on to invading the rest of Georgia, or Azerbaijan, or Latvia, or somewhere else. Most of the countries that border Russia have good reason to fear that Russia will invade.
And it's not just about Russia, either. Plenty of other dictators pondering their own bad behavior are watching to see how this plays out. China considering an invasion of Taiwan is merely the most obvious. If it looks like Putin comes out ahead and the rest of the world doesn't do much in response, then that's a green light for more wars that bring more collateral damage.
Unfortunately, it's very unlikely that sanctions will convince a chastened Putin to order the Russian army to retreat in humiliation. Even if that would be the best option for Russia, it would be personally disastrous for Putin, as it would leave him politically wounded. Dictators need to look invincible. Once a dictator starts losing and people think that he is likely to be overthrown, people are far more likely to act to make that happen.
As such, I only see three ways that this can end:
1) Russia successfully subjugates Ukraine and Putin gets to do whatever it is that he wanted to Ukraine. 2) Putin gets killed or overthrown. Unless he flees into exile, if he gets overthrown, he'll probably get killed in the process. 3) Some deal gets worked out that allows Putin to claim victory and withdraw, thus allowing Ukraine to also claim victory.
If the war is clearly going badly for Russia, then (2) likely ends it. Whoever succeeds Putin likely isn't personally invested in his invasion of Ukraine and can end it in exchange for sanctions being dropped. This doesn't require Putin's successor to be benevolent; it could just as well work that way even if he's more evil than Putin.
Either (1) or (2) could easily take years, which would be devastating for the people involved. Most of the world's economy can adjust in time to not trading with Russia or Ukraine, but Ukrainians would suffer tremendously, and Russians would also suffer quite a bit, too.
Option (3) could happen quickly, but will take some real creativity, and the more time passes, the harder it will be to pull off. War is always a net loss for the world, and bigger wars are bigger net losses, making it harder for both sides to simultaneously have a colorable claim for having come out ahead.
The American assassination of Qasem Soleimani is perhaps the best example of (3) that I have. Iran has long been the world's main state sponsor of terrorism, so Trump ordered the assassination of their top military official who had been responsible for much of the mischief.
Iran pretty much had to retaliate, but needed to do so in a way that didn't force America to further escalate the situation. So they launched a number of missiles that landed in the desert near an American military base in Iraq. The immediate reaction from America was, ha ha, they missed, everything is fine. So America didn't need to escalate the situation.
But Iran's leaders needed to be able to claim for their domestic audience that they had won the confrontation and avenged Soleimani's death. Merely launching some missiles that land harmlessly in the desert doesn't do that.
Shortly after that, there were some bizarre stories in American media to the effect that those Iranian missiles that didn't hit anything had somehow caused horrible brain injuries to a bunch of Americans who had to be evacuated. Weirdly, this wasn't followed by a bunch of hand-wringing commentary. After publishing the stories claiming that it had happened, American media all across the political spectrum basically acted like it hadn't and the stories had never existed.
This is my speculation, but I think that the stories were made up to give Iranian leaders something that they could publicly point to in order to say, see, we avenged Soleimani. Meanwhile, they'd quietly take home the intended lesson that they had pushed too far, which got Trump to smack them in a creative way that they cared about.
Of course, then came COVID, which prevents us from knowing what would otherwise have happened in subsequent months. But after that quick exchange, both sides were able to drop the matter without further escalation. Of course, it's much harder to quietly drop an invasion involving more than a hundred thousand troops.
OR the Western media will erase anything positive Trump did.
Occam's Razor? What's more likely some mastermind under table play by Trump to save face for Iran or the media just ignoring positive press for Trump?
If this happened under a progressive Democrat and the media wasn't shouting everything positive from the rooftops then maybe your theory would seem more plausible.
If the MSM ever gives positive credit to anything Trump has done, or ignores something he did negatively then yeah, that would be very abnormal.
The United States pretty much had to impose sanctions. Yes, they bring a lot of collateral damage, both to businesses and to humans. And yes, the situation is hurting people in Ukraine, in Russia, and in a lot of other places around the world that rely on trade with either of them. But the alternative of not imposing sanctions would be even worse.
If Russia rolled to an easy victory, then Putin would conclude that invading Ukraine was a good idea, and would move on to invading the rest of Georgia, or Azerbaijan, or Latvia, or somewhere else. Most of the countries that border Russia have good reason to fear that Russia will invade.
And it's not just about Russia, either. Plenty of other dictators pondering their own bad behavior are watching to see how this plays out. China considering an invasion of Taiwan is merely the most obvious. If it looks like Putin comes out ahead and the rest of the world doesn't do much in response, then that's a green light for more wars that bring more collateral damage.
Unfortunately, it's very unlikely that sanctions will convince a chastened Putin to order the Russian army to retreat in humiliation. Even if that would be the best option for Russia, it would be personally disastrous for Putin, as it would leave him politically wounded. Dictators need to look invincible. Once a dictator starts losing and people think that he is likely to be overthrown, people are far more likely to act to make that happen.
As such, I only see three ways that this can end:
1) Russia successfully subjugates Ukraine and Putin gets to do whatever it is that he wanted to Ukraine. 2) Putin gets killed or overthrown. Unless he flees into exile, if he gets overthrown, he'll probably get killed in the process. 3) Some deal gets worked out that allows Putin to claim victory and withdraw, thus allowing Ukraine to also claim victory.
If the war is clearly going badly for Russia, then (2) likely ends it. Whoever succeeds Putin likely isn't personally invested in his invasion of Ukraine and can end it in exchange for sanctions being dropped. This doesn't require Putin's successor to be benevolent; it could just as well work that way even if he's more evil than Putin.
Either (1) or (2) could easily take years, which would be devastating for the people involved. Most of the world's economy can adjust in time to not trading with Russia or Ukraine, but Ukrainians would suffer tremendously, and Russians would also suffer quite a bit, too.
Option (3) could happen quickly, but will take some real creativity, and the more time passes, the harder it will be to pull off. War is always a net loss for the world, and bigger wars are bigger net losses, making it harder for both sides to simultaneously have a colorable claim for having come out ahead.
The American assassination of Qasem Soleimani is perhaps the best example of (3) that I have. Iran has long been the world's main state sponsor of terrorism, so Trump ordered the assassination of their top military official who had been responsible for much of the mischief.
Iran pretty much had to retaliate, but needed to do so in a way that didn't force America to further escalate the situation. So they launched a number of missiles that landed in the desert near an American military base in Iraq. The immediate reaction from America was, ha ha, they missed, everything is fine. So America didn't need to escalate the situation.
But Iran's leaders needed to be able to claim for their domestic audience that they had won the confrontation and avenged Soleimani's death. Merely launching some missiles that land harmlessly in the desert doesn't do that.
Shortly after that, there were some bizarre stories in American media to the effect that those Iranian missiles that didn't hit anything had somehow caused horrible brain injuries to a bunch of Americans who had to be evacuated. Weirdly, this wasn't followed by a bunch of hand-wringing commentary. After publishing the stories claiming that it had happened, American media all across the political spectrum basically acted like it hadn't and the stories had never existed.
This is my speculation, but I think that the stories were made up to give Iranian leaders something that they could publicly point to in order to say, see, we avenged Soleimani. Meanwhile, they'd quietly take home the intended lesson that they had pushed too far, which got Trump to smack them in a creative way that they cared about.
Of course, then came COVID, which prevents us from knowing what would otherwise have happened in subsequent months. But after that quick exchange, both sides were able to drop the matter without further escalation. Of course, it's much harder to quietly drop an invasion involving more than a hundred thousand troops.
OR the Western media will erase anything positive Trump did.
Occam's Razor? What's more likely some mastermind under table play by Trump to save face for Iran or the media just ignoring positive press for Trump?
If this happened under a progressive Democrat and the media wasn't shouting everything positive from the rooftops then maybe your theory would seem more plausible.
If the MSM ever gives positive credit to anything Trump has done, or ignores something he did negatively then yeah, that would be very abnormal.
Interestingly enough a recent study of 200K posts on Reddit by Harvard researchers points to evidence that dropping the "T" word or saying "shit" may stop online conversations more frequently than Godwin's law.
Perhaps it isn't the media who stop conversations or fail to acknowledge the accomplishments of past Presidents, rather it's everyone else who just prefer not to talk about them on forums or even news sites which aren't related to political discussions?
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yeah, blizzard is one of them, i dont think it will hurt Russia and it's not necessary to do that, Game is game, not politics, we all are people, besides, there is very very bad effect on normal players. As blizzard is preventing Russian to continue subscriptions, a lot Russian farmers are unable to farm for wow Eu region anymore, the result is gold value of wow token is dropping, which make the normal players even hard survive ingame.
we can see from below images that the gold value of wow token in US and EU region are dropping rapidly
The United States pretty much had to impose sanctions. Yes, they bring a lot of collateral damage, both to businesses and to humans. And yes, the situation is hurting people in Ukraine, in Russia, and in a lot of other places around the world that rely on trade with either of them. But the alternative of not imposing sanctions would be even worse.
If Russia rolled to an easy victory, then Putin would conclude that invading Ukraine was a good idea, and would move on to invading the rest of Georgia, or Azerbaijan, or Latvia, or somewhere else. Most of the countries that border Russia have good reason to fear that Russia will invade.
And it's not just about Russia, either. Plenty of other dictators pondering their own bad behavior are watching to see how this plays out. China considering an invasion of Taiwan is merely the most obvious. If it looks like Putin comes out ahead and the rest of the world doesn't do much in response, then that's a green light for more wars that bring more collateral damage.
Unfortunately, it's very unlikely that sanctions will convince a chastened Putin to order the Russian army to retreat in humiliation. Even if that would be the best option for Russia, it would be personally disastrous for Putin, as it would leave him politically wounded. Dictators need to look invincible. Once a dictator starts losing and people think that he is likely to be overthrown, people are far more likely to act to make that happen.
As such, I only see three ways that this can end:
1) Russia successfully subjugates Ukraine and Putin gets to do whatever it is that he wanted to Ukraine. 2) Putin gets killed or overthrown. Unless he flees into exile, if he gets overthrown, he'll probably get killed in the process. 3) Some deal gets worked out that allows Putin to claim victory and withdraw, thus allowing Ukraine to also claim victory.
If the war is clearly going badly for Russia, then (2) likely ends it. Whoever succeeds Putin likely isn't personally invested in his invasion of Ukraine and can end it in exchange for sanctions being dropped. This doesn't require Putin's successor to be benevolent; it could just as well work that way even if he's more evil than Putin.
Either (1) or (2) could easily take years, which would be devastating for the people involved. Most of the world's economy can adjust in time to not trading with Russia or Ukraine, but Ukrainians would suffer tremendously, and Russians would also suffer quite a bit, too.
Option (3) could happen quickly, but will take some real creativity, and the more time passes, the harder it will be to pull off. War is always a net loss for the world, and bigger wars are bigger net losses, making it harder for both sides to simultaneously have a colorable claim for having come out ahead.
The American assassination of Qasem Soleimani is perhaps the best example of (3) that I have. Iran has long been the world's main state sponsor of terrorism, so Trump ordered the assassination of their top military official who had been responsible for much of the mischief.
Iran pretty much had to retaliate, but needed to do so in a way that didn't force America to further escalate the situation. So they launched a number of missiles that landed in the desert near an American military base in Iraq. The immediate reaction from America was, ha ha, they missed, everything is fine. So America didn't need to escalate the situation.
But Iran's leaders needed to be able to claim for their domestic audience that they had won the confrontation and avenged Soleimani's death. Merely launching some missiles that land harmlessly in the desert doesn't do that.
Shortly after that, there were some bizarre stories in American media to the effect that those Iranian missiles that didn't hit anything had somehow caused horrible brain injuries to a bunch of Americans who had to be evacuated. Weirdly, this wasn't followed by a bunch of hand-wringing commentary. After publishing the stories claiming that it had happened, American media all across the political spectrum basically acted like it hadn't and the stories had never existed.
This is my speculation, but I think that the stories were made up to give Iranian leaders something that they could publicly point to in order to say, see, we avenged Soleimani. Meanwhile, they'd quietly take home the intended lesson that they had pushed too far, which got Trump to smack them in a creative way that they cared about.
Of course, then came COVID, which prevents us from knowing what would otherwise have happened in subsequent months. But after that quick exchange, both sides were able to drop the matter without further escalation. Of course, it's much harder to quietly drop an invasion involving more than a hundred thousand troops.
OR the Western media will erase anything positive Trump did.
Occam's Razor? What's more likely some mastermind under table play by Trump to save face for Iran or the media just ignoring positive press for Trump?
If this happened under a progressive Democrat and the media wasn't shouting everything positive from the rooftops then maybe your theory would seem more plausible.
If the MSM ever gives positive credit to anything Trump has done, or ignores something he did negatively then yeah, that would be very abnormal.
Interestingly enough a recent study of 200K posts on Reddit by Harvard researchers points to evidence that dropping the "T" word or saying "shit" may stop online conversations more frequently than Godwin's law.
Perhaps it isn't the media who stop conversations or fail to acknowledge the accomplishments of past Presidents, rather it's everyone else who just prefer not to talk about them on forums or even news sites which aren't related to political discussions?
Not sure what you are implying here. Are you saying 95% negative press coverage has to do with reddit posters not continuing a discussion?
Come on now, I know you are not that unaware, at least I hope not.
I don't care if you think he is the worst or best President, but you cant really deny the media coverage is heavily 1 sided can you? Really?
Not sure what you are implying here. Are you saying 95% negative press coverage has to do with reddit posters not continuing a discussion?
Come on now, I know you are not that unaware, at least I hope not.
I don't care if you think he is the worst or best President, but you cant really deny the media coverage is heavily 1 sided can you? Really?
Have... have you ever watched Fox News?
There's literally an entire side of the media ecosystem that sings the praises of anything conservative and demonizes anything liberal. Just like the other way around.
This victim complex some people have about trying to make out like conservative viewpoints are being attacked is boring, wrong, and unproductive. Stop it.
Trump got hate from almost all sides because he said and did stupid and insulting things. He was an idiot who thought he knew better than everyone else. That's it. There is no conspiracy. He was a dumbass jerk who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, and that's why he got a lot of extra critique.
Not sure what you are implying here. Are you saying 95% negative press coverage has to do with reddit posters not continuing a discussion?
Come on now, I know you are not that unaware, at least I hope not.
I don't care if you think he is the worst or best President, but you cant really deny the media coverage is heavily 1 sided can you? Really?
Have... have you ever watched Fox News?
There's literally an entire side of the media ecosystem that sings the praises of anything conservative and demonizes anything liberal. Just like the other way around.
This victim complex some people have about trying to make out like conservative viewpoints are being attacked is boring, wrong, and unproductive. Stop it.
Trump got hate from almost all sides because he said and did stupid and insulting things. He was an idiot who thought he knew better than everyone else. That's it. There is no conspiracy. He was a dumbass jerk who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, and that's why he got a lot of extra critique.
Looks like you got triggered. You can cry and moan about people saying the truth and try to play it off as nothing to see here. At the end of the day even liberal news sites agree Trump has more negative press than any US president.
Not sure what you are implying here. Are you saying 95% negative press coverage has to do with reddit posters not continuing a discussion?
Come on now, I know you are not that unaware, at least I hope not.
I don't care if you think he is the worst or best President, but you cant really deny the media coverage is heavily 1 sided can you? Really?
Have... have you ever watched Fox News?
There's literally an entire side of the media ecosystem that sings the praises of anything conservative and demonizes anything liberal. Just like the other way around.
This victim complex some people have about trying to make out like conservative viewpoints are being attacked is boring, wrong, and unproductive. Stop it.
Trump got hate from almost all sides because he said and did stupid and insulting things. He was an idiot who thought he knew better than everyone else. That's it. There is no conspiracy. He was a dumbass jerk who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, and that's why he got a lot of extra critique.
Looks like you got triggered. You can cry and moan about people saying the truth and try to play it off as nothing to see here. At the end of the day even liberal news sites agree Trump has more negative press than any US president.
So keep spinning, but we know the truth.
Way to avoid the point.
He got more negative press because, as I obviously mentioned, he was one of the most unlikable *people* to hold the presidency in the modern age.
You can hem and haw all you like, but that's the reality. Be an asshole, get treated like one. If that surprises you, the world must seem like a really tough place to navigate.
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You are raising a concern I had myself, many Russians must now be saying 'why are we not doing more business with those who do not care so much about what our international polices and actions are?' That is not to say Russia could do without the Western market, but they could look more to other global sectors.
Trading blocks help create ally blocks and linking Russia to China would not help stability on the global stage. But some sanctions had to be done, my concern is that our media driven leaders and our social media driven citizens will push the sanctions way too far.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
As I understand it, China was the only nation keeping the American Dollar from tanking hard, as apparently even America is not doing a good job from keeping the USD from crashing.
Had a friend whose books were popular in Poland back in the day. He had an account full of Zlotys that he could not get. Was considering a trip to Poland to use some of it up. The game companies are looking at sales in Rubles that they can't easily access now, so they make this move. Win/win for them.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
If Russia rolled to an easy victory, then Putin would conclude that invading Ukraine was a good idea, and would move on to invading the rest of Georgia, or Azerbaijan, or Latvia, or somewhere else. Most of the countries that border Russia have good reason to fear that Russia will invade.
And it's not just about Russia, either. Plenty of other dictators pondering their own bad behavior are watching to see how this plays out. China considering an invasion of Taiwan is merely the most obvious. If it looks like Putin comes out ahead and the rest of the world doesn't do much in response, then that's a green light for more wars that bring more collateral damage.
Unfortunately, it's very unlikely that sanctions will convince a chastened Putin to order the Russian army to retreat in humiliation. Even if that would be the best option for Russia, it would be personally disastrous for Putin, as it would leave him politically wounded. Dictators need to look invincible. Once a dictator starts losing and people think that he is likely to be overthrown, people are far more likely to act to make that happen.
As such, I only see three ways that this can end:
1) Russia successfully subjugates Ukraine and Putin gets to do whatever it is that he wanted to Ukraine.
2) Putin gets killed or overthrown. Unless he flees into exile, if he gets overthrown, he'll probably get killed in the process.
3) Some deal gets worked out that allows Putin to claim victory and withdraw, thus allowing Ukraine to also claim victory.
If the war is clearly going badly for Russia, then (2) likely ends it. Whoever succeeds Putin likely isn't personally invested in his invasion of Ukraine and can end it in exchange for sanctions being dropped. This doesn't require Putin's successor to be benevolent; it could just as well work that way even if he's more evil than Putin.
Either (1) or (2) could easily take years, which would be devastating for the people involved. Most of the world's economy can adjust in time to not trading with Russia or Ukraine, but Ukrainians would suffer tremendously, and Russians would also suffer quite a bit, too.
Option (3) could happen quickly, but will take some real creativity, and the more time passes, the harder it will be to pull off. War is always a net loss for the world, and bigger wars are bigger net losses, making it harder for both sides to simultaneously have a colorable claim for having come out ahead.
The American assassination of Qasem Soleimani is perhaps the best example of (3) that I have. Iran has long been the world's main state sponsor of terrorism, so Trump ordered the assassination of their top military official who had been responsible for much of the mischief.
Iran pretty much had to retaliate, but needed to do so in a way that didn't force America to further escalate the situation. So they launched a number of missiles that landed in the desert near an American military base in Iraq. The immediate reaction from America was, ha ha, they missed, everything is fine. So America didn't need to escalate the situation.
But Iran's leaders needed to be able to claim for their domestic audience that they had won the confrontation and avenged Soleimani's death. Merely launching some missiles that land harmlessly in the desert doesn't do that.
Shortly after that, there were some bizarre stories in American media to the effect that those Iranian missiles that didn't hit anything had somehow caused horrible brain injuries to a bunch of Americans who had to be evacuated. Weirdly, this wasn't followed by a bunch of hand-wringing commentary. After publishing the stories claiming that it had happened, American media all across the political spectrum basically acted like it hadn't and the stories had never existed.
This is my speculation, but I think that the stories were made up to give Iranian leaders something that they could publicly point to in order to say, see, we avenged Soleimani. Meanwhile, they'd quietly take home the intended lesson that they had pushed too far, which got Trump to smack them in a creative way that they cared about.
Of course, then came COVID, which prevents us from knowing what would otherwise have happened in subsequent months. But after that quick exchange, both sides were able to drop the matter without further escalation. Of course, it's much harder to quietly drop an invasion involving more than a hundred thousand troops.
You're right, that whole exchange with the killing of the Irani "mastermind" was odd, in retrospect. It disappeared from the media fairly quickly and without fanfare, if I recall.
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Lemme guess: the MSM is evil, amirite??? It's so fucking predictable it's sad.
Choose your acronyms more carefully.
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This should be fun to watch unfold.
Now under the guise of these sanctions they are free to completely disconnect from the corrupted west. Next china will disconnect (through Taiwan) and the west is basically done.
once thats done they can get on with their belt and road project which doesn't go to america. This is what you get for hosting the parasite.
enjoy your $10/liter gas and $100 steaks.
So I enjoyed the hell out of my 100 dollar cut of meat.. I hope you all do too.
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I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
OR the Western media will erase anything positive Trump did.
Occam's Razor? What's more likely some mastermind under table play by Trump to save face for Iran or the media just ignoring positive press for Trump?
If this happened under a progressive Democrat and the media wasn't shouting everything positive from the rooftops then maybe your theory would seem more plausible.
If the MSM ever gives positive credit to anything Trump has done, or ignores something he did negatively then yeah, that would be very abnormal.
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Perhaps it isn't the media who stop conversations or fail to acknowledge the accomplishments of past Presidents, rather it's everyone else who just prefer not to talk about them on forums or even news sites which aren't related to political discussions?
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Come on now, I know you are not that unaware, at least I hope not.
I don't care if you think he is the worst or best President, but you cant really deny the media coverage is heavily 1 sided can you? Really?
There's literally an entire side of the media ecosystem that sings the praises of anything conservative and demonizes anything liberal. Just like the other way around.
This victim complex some people have about trying to make out like conservative viewpoints are being attacked is boring, wrong, and unproductive. Stop it.
Trump got hate from almost all sides because he said and did stupid and insulting things. He was an idiot who thought he knew better than everyone else. That's it. There is no conspiracy. He was a dumbass jerk who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, and that's why he got a lot of extra critique.
So keep spinning, but we know the truth.
He got more negative press because, as I obviously mentioned, he was one of the most unlikable *people* to hold the presidency in the modern age.
You can hem and haw all you like, but that's the reality. Be an asshole, get treated like one. If that surprises you, the world must seem like a really tough place to navigate.