Originally posted by Nimuel Alot of people think this way...
"if they can come up with some way to keep the game as complex as a PC game should be and port it to the consoles... sure, why not?"
And yea, sure, why not? Only problem is it's not possible, the PC is a much more complex sytem with such extreme possibilities for customization, alterations, adaptation that it leaves the static console systems waaaaay behind. If they do port the game to consoles the PC version will be continuosly punished for it.
Consoles are great for platform games and the likes, short term games in other words... On a PC a longrunning product can evolve along with the technology and last for a long long time, even upgrade the engine as the standard of home computer systems rises after a few years.
I for one will not even bother to buy WAR if they make it a cross console game... I already know i wont like it...
Dude... both the Xbox2 and the PS3 bury the specs of the system you are sitting behind right now.
There is NO reason this couldn't happen.
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Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by Nimuel Alot of people think this way...
"if they can come up with some way to keep the game as complex as a PC game should be and port it to the consoles... sure, why not?"
And yea, sure, why not? Only problem is it's not possible, the PC is a much more complex sytem with such extreme possibilities for customization, alterations, adaptation that it leaves the static console systems waaaaay behind. If they do port the game to consoles the PC version will be continuosly punished for it.
Consoles are great for platform games and the likes, short term games in other words... On a PC a longrunning product can evolve along with the technology and last for a long long time, even upgrade the engine as the standard of home computer systems rises after a few years.
I for one will not even bother to buy WAR if they make it a cross console game... I already know i wont like it...
Dude... both the Xbox2 and the PS3 bury the specs of the system you are sitting behind right now.
There is NO reason this couldn't happen.
I made 2 points, both of them refering to the fact that consoles are static systems, only the seccond point is in any way related to specs.. and it doesnt matter, the console is static...
Seccondly, no, the PS3 specs does not exactly bury my system (altho i do admit the specs are impressive), and by the time WAR comes out i will have upgraded even more. I realize not everyone is a gfx artist that needs a system as powerfull as that, but then again, it doesnt matter, a game can be continuously molded, adapted, upgraded for a PC audience, simply because a PC can outlive a console. The console is stuck where it is (there are other reasons for this such as the console companies unwillingness to become too flexible because that would essentially make the systems into pc's, and god forbid the consoles would become customizable and multisystem compatible, that's exactly what they dont want).
"There is NO reason this couldn't happen. "
I KNOW this can happen.. that's what i'm afraid of...
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." - Henry Mencken
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
"And what would you do with a brain if you had one?" - Wizard of Oz
im 100% against this ... keep PC MMO's as PC mmo's .. keep console games as console games .. i for one dont jive with the current generation of console gamers ... they annoy me ...
I'm an old school gamer .. i come from the days of the atari 7800 ( yea there are people older-school than me, 2600 for instance) ...
but i been through atari 7800, nintendo, snes .. turbo graphics 16 + cd ... all the way up to the dreamcast .. and that was my last system ... it was then that the console market took a turn for the wrong ( in my humble opinion) when companies like sony and microsoft ( working with computers i have larned to hate both companies) came onto the scene and turned games into generic .. cloned .. unoriginal pieces of crap geared towards quick fixes ..and short attention span gamers ...and put the old school cmpanies like sega, neo geo, and NEC out of business ( they are working on nintendo now)
if they invade the MMO genre .. expect EVERYTHING to be dumbed down for the console crowd ...
im hoping warhammer ( although i accept it will be a lot like WOW) will still retain complexity in combat and PVP
not to mention all the independent companies and publishers will be put out of business
Originally posted by Neurox1 im 100% against this ... keep PC MMO's as PC mmo's .. keep console games as console games .. i for one dont jive with the current generation of console gamers ... they annoy me ... I'm an old school gamer .. i come from the days of the atari 7800 ( yea there are people older-school than me, 2600 for instance) ... but i been through atari 7800, nintendo, snes .. turbo graphics 16 + cd ... all the way up to the dreamcast .. and that was my last system ... it was then that the console market took a turn for the wrong ( in my humble opinion) when companies like sony and microsoft ( working with computers i have larned to hate both companies) came onto the scene and turned games into generic .. cloned .. unoriginal pieces of crap geared towards quick fixes ..and short attention span gamers ...and put the old school cmpanies like sega, neo geo, and NEC out of business ( they are working on nintendo now) if they invade the MMO genre .. expect EVERYTHING to be dumbed down for the console crowd ... im hoping warhammer ( although i accept it will be a lot like WOW) will still retain complexity in combat and PVP not to mention all the independent companies and publishers will be put out of business
I completely agree. (As I stated in my previous post) The current console gamer has the depth of a puddle.
I swear, if I hear "Grand Theft Auto is the best game EVAR!" one more time, hell is coming loose.
Originally posted by busdriver I have to agree with Neurox1, if there is one thing that would stop me wanting to play this game its deffinetly the 'console kiddies'.
Making this game playable on a console would definately hurt its long term playability for me. I can understand that a company like Mythic would love to have access to the 15 million or so xbox360 users at the end of next year, and fear that temptation.
The game would almost certainly suffer from a PC gamer's perspective if it were re-engineered to appeal to a console market, and I'm not talking about polygon counts or processing speeds.
For starters, there would be legions of console gamers who would decide to play the game either without a keyboard or while using primarily the hand controller. This obviously means they will not participate in many of the text conversations that bring the typical mmorpg to life and foment the friendships that can last years.
Also, the expected lifetime of a good quality mmorpg outlasts the expected lifetime of a console. We should be expecting the first expansion about 18 months from release, or early 2009. How many PC gamers will look forward to an expansion programmed to be compatible with a four year old console? If the game is actually decent, it should have a dedicated playerbase until sometime around 2012.
In modern MMORPG games there has been incredible leaps in the ability to offer flexible GUI interfaces for players to tweak. It is now the norm for players to be able to go online and download mods for games to improve the playability or look of the game. Although there are mechanisms for the xbox360 to d/l approved content, I don't think that M$ is really going to allow people to d/l, unzip or generally mess around in the directory structure of a console. Either console gamers get locked out of the mods, or the modifications themselves will be prevented to stop putting the xbox users at a disadvantage.
For many PC gamers, making WAR compatible with a console would make it a much less attractive prospect and would likely mean that they would try it and then migrate over to other mmorpgs when they became available.
personally id hate to see it go to xbox 360 .. its not a breaker for me in that if it does ill still check the game out ( which ir rare i wouldnt do so for another game)
but preferably id like to keep the console kiddies away ... oops theres another one ( *swings the fly swatter* )
Doesn't surprise me that it was done, or done so quickly.
The only real difference between the Xbox and the PC is that the Xbox is just a standardized PC. An Xbox release may not be such good news for Mac/Linux users. Since Mythic will probably be using the Windows API to make the game, you would probably need Wine for Linux to emulate the windows environment.
But still, the Xbox is just a standard PC, I may be mistaken but can't you even get a keyboard and mouse for them just like you can with the PS2?
For the people who like to fret though I include this snippet from that same article:
"To be clear, Mythic is not announcing an Xbox 360 version of Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning, but in what was purportedly a period of only six weeks, the developer has managed to get its game up and running on Microsoft's new console simply to prove that it can be done."
I can't imagine playing an MMO without a keyboard or mouse. Everquest did it on the PS2, with a keyboard said to be optional. But that was a completely different game from the original. I’d hope that if they do try to take over the console MMO market, they’d do what EQ did and not have console and PC players playing together on the same servers.
Originally posted by cybercannon I doubt it will happen. For the people who like to fret though I include this snippet from that same article: "To be clear, Mythic is not announcing an Xbox 360 version of Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning, but in what was purportedly a period of only six weeks, the developer has managed to get its game up and running on Microsoft's new console simply to prove that it can be done."
But you see, the question is really why it was done... A game company doesn't have people spend 6 weeks on porting a game just to prove they can do it and then annouce it to the world that, yea, they could do it...
The way i see it is they're sending a clear mesage to M$ that the door is open, this is what we can do, now show me some green and we can do bussiness... It doesnt necessarily have to have anything to do with WAR, they might just be interested in showin M$ that here's an engine (and indeed a company) that can provide for your stinking consoles (oops, strike that.. damn delete button is stuck.. ohwel ) too...
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." - Henry Mencken
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
"And what would you do with a brain if you had one?" - Wizard of Oz
Just bumping it since there apear to be people asking these questions again
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." - Henry Mencken
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
"And what would you do with a brain if you had one?" - Wizard of Oz
Originally posted by ::blank:: Originally posted by starman999 haha... i cant stand you.. how can you say wii would have opera.. and assume that 360 will have ie..ASSUME? man..im glad people here know what they are talking about. first off..i dont think this will happen.. secondly if it does.. of course ie will go to 360, but why would you say opera would go to the wii? thats just stupid talk... you are just trying to sound more intelligent than you are.. there is no way you could know opera would go to wii.. plus there are way better browsers out there. and as for the game being on 360, that would be cool, i have a 360..but i think i would still use my pc. Its way more effecient for an mmo.. but it would still be cool.
The console market is desperately struggling to break more into the online gaming market. Halo 2 pretty much proved that there was money there, if only because people on consoles like gaming with lots of people online, just like has been done since FPS first went online.
That, and EQOA, while not a smashing hit, definitely made enough money to justify the development of more and more MMORPGs for the console.
The problem here is that the next generation of MMOs might just push the technology more than it's really capable of handling. Getting something to run on the 360 is nifty, sure. Can you ensure consistancy? Can you patch it as reliably as on the PC? Hell, will the gameplay be impacted any?
I think this is one of those "hardcore hacking" things you'll hear about - like the kid who hacked the iPod to do other stuff, and modders who were fudging around with the original Xbox all to hell and back - and that it'll eventually fall by the wayside. But I could be wrong, and they just might see it as profitable.
As for running on the same servers, given how compatible the 360 is with most any Windows box anyway (I mean, crap, it's just a glorified Windows console anyway), I don't think there'd be any problem with getting WAR on 360 to run with the PC counterparts. Seems like it'd be good business, anyway, if it could be done.
This is really just another, "Wait and see" kind of deals. I'd say the odds are against WAR being on the 360, though, other than hacked versions of such.
But we'll just have to see what ends up happening...
yup it would sell better they already fixed the issues on 360...if they do this they could sell hella lot more..plus 360 make it pretty...theres a good chance plus EA has got em so they got the funds
I'm not against this at all, but that doesn't mean I'll play it on 360, a console go out of date every few years. There really isn't any point on playing an mmo on a console when th at console will be obsolete. I also find subscribing to mmo' on consoles tedious.
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There is NO reason this couldn't happen.
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Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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There is NO reason this couldn't happen.
I made 2 points, both of them refering to the fact that consoles are static systems, only the seccond point is in any way related to specs.. and it doesnt matter, the console is static...
Seccondly, no, the PS3 specs does not exactly bury my system (altho i do admit the specs are impressive), and by the time WAR comes out i will have upgraded even more. I realize not everyone is a gfx artist that needs a system as powerfull as that, but then again, it doesnt matter, a game can be continuously molded, adapted, upgraded for a PC audience, simply because a PC can outlive a console. The console is stuck where it is (there are other reasons for this such as the console companies unwillingness to become too flexible because that would essentially make the systems into pc's, and god forbid the consoles would become customizable and multisystem compatible, that's exactly what they dont want).
"There is NO reason this couldn't happen. "
I KNOW this can happen.. that's what i'm afraid of...
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." - Henry Mencken
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
"And what would you do with a brain if you had one?" - Wizard of Oz
im 100% against this ... keep PC MMO's as PC mmo's .. keep console games as console games .. i for one dont jive with the current generation of console gamers ... they annoy me ...
I'm an old school gamer .. i come from the days of the atari 7800 ( yea there are people older-school than me, 2600 for instance) ...
but i been through atari 7800, nintendo, snes .. turbo graphics 16 + cd ... all the way up to the dreamcast .. and that was my last system ... it was then that the console market took a turn for the wrong ( in my humble opinion) when companies like sony and microsoft ( working with computers i have larned to hate both companies) came onto the scene and turned games into generic .. cloned .. unoriginal pieces of crap geared towards quick fixes ..and short attention span gamers ...and put the old school cmpanies like sega, neo geo, and NEC out of business ( they are working on nintendo now)
if they invade the MMO genre .. expect EVERYTHING to be dumbed down for the console crowd ...
im hoping warhammer ( although i accept it will be a lot like WOW) will still retain complexity in combat and PVP
not to mention all the independent companies and publishers will be put out of business
I swear, if I hear "Grand Theft Auto is the best game EVAR!" one more time, hell is coming loose.
If WAR wants to take on and secure a spot in the MMO market... going to the next gen consule AND PC is the right business decision to make.
QFE
The game would almost certainly suffer from a PC gamer's perspective if it were re-engineered to appeal to a console market, and I'm not talking about polygon counts or processing speeds.
For starters, there would be legions of console gamers who would decide to play the game either without a keyboard or while using primarily the hand controller. This obviously means they will not participate in many of the text conversations that bring the typical mmorpg to life and foment the friendships that can last years.
Also, the expected lifetime of a good quality mmorpg outlasts the expected lifetime of a console. We should be expecting the first expansion about 18 months from release, or early 2009. How many PC gamers will look forward to an expansion programmed to be compatible with a four year old console? If the game is actually decent, it should have a dedicated playerbase until sometime around 2012.
In modern MMORPG games there has been incredible leaps in the ability to offer flexible GUI interfaces for players to tweak. It is now the norm for players to be able to go online and download mods for games to improve the playability or look of the game. Although there are mechanisms for the xbox360 to d/l approved content, I don't think that M$ is really going to allow people to d/l, unzip or generally mess around in the directory structure of a console. Either console gamers get locked out of the mods, or the modifications themselves will be prevented to stop putting the xbox users at a disadvantage.
For many PC gamers, making WAR compatible with a console would make it a much less attractive prospect and would likely mean that they would try it and then migrate over to other mmorpgs when they became available.
personally id hate to see it go to xbox 360 .. its not a breaker for me in that if it does ill still check the game out ( which ir rare i wouldnt do so for another game)
but preferably id like to keep the console kiddies away ... oops theres another one ( *swings the fly swatter* )
The only real difference between the Xbox and the PC is that the Xbox is just a standardized PC. An Xbox release may not be such good news for Mac/Linux users. Since Mythic will probably be using the Windows API to make the game, you would probably need Wine for Linux to emulate the windows environment.
But still, the Xbox is just a standard PC, I may be mistaken but can't you even get a keyboard and mouse for them just like you can with the PS2?
I doubt it will happen.
For the people who like to fret though I include this snippet from that same article:
"To be clear, Mythic is not announcing an Xbox 360 version of Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning, but in what was purportedly a period of only six weeks, the developer has managed to get its game up and running on Microsoft's new console simply to prove that it can be done."
I can't imagine playing an MMO without a keyboard or mouse. Everquest did it on the PS2, with a keyboard said to be optional. But that was a completely different game from the original. I’d hope that if they do try to take over the console MMO market, they’d do what EQ did and not have console and PC players playing together on the same servers.
The way i see it is they're sending a clear mesage to M$ that the door is open, this is what we can do, now show me some green and we can do bussiness... It doesnt necessarily have to have anything to do with WAR, they might just be interested in showin M$ that here's an engine (and indeed a company) that can provide for your stinking consoles (oops, strike that.. damn delete button is stuck.. ohwel
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." - Henry Mencken
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
"And what would you do with a brain if you had one?" - Wizard of Oz
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." - Henry Mencken
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
"And what would you do with a brain if you had one?" - Wizard of Oz
Opera To Wii Press Release
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WAR on the 360?
It could be good.
It could be bad.
The console market is desperately struggling to break more into the online gaming market. Halo 2 pretty much proved that there was money there, if only because people on consoles like gaming with lots of people online, just like has been done since FPS first went online.
That, and EQOA, while not a smashing hit, definitely made enough money to justify the development of more and more MMORPGs for the console.
The problem here is that the next generation of MMOs might just push the technology more than it's really capable of handling. Getting something to run on the 360 is nifty, sure. Can you ensure consistancy? Can you patch it as reliably as on the PC? Hell, will the gameplay be impacted any?
I think this is one of those "hardcore hacking" things you'll hear about - like the kid who hacked the iPod to do other stuff, and modders who were fudging around with the original Xbox all to hell and back - and that it'll eventually fall by the wayside. But I could be wrong, and they just might see it as profitable.
As for running on the same servers, given how compatible the 360 is with most any Windows box anyway (I mean, crap, it's just a glorified Windows console anyway), I don't think there'd be any problem with getting WAR on 360 to run with the PC counterparts. Seems like it'd be good business, anyway, if it could be done.
This is really just another, "Wait and see" kind of deals. I'd say the odds are against WAR being on the 360, though, other than hacked versions of such.
But we'll just have to see what ends up happening...
It would be best to try and to get them to run on the same servers! more people to play with!
It is also a good business move as it opens up a larger market for them to sell their game to!