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A different WoW/Blizzard rant
Askatan
Member Posts: 313
While I personally enjoyed WoW for a few weeks, I have a few major complaints.
Firstly, WoW seems dumbed down to an extend it is denying a true feeling of reward
or success especially in later levels.
PvP is badly implemented, especially the network code adds to frustrations.
but the real topic here is the players. the community is so bad, it is only
surpassed by GW in percentage of morons playing the game. And GW (I
just bought factions and like it) is not even a true MMORPG in my eyes.
WoW has brought a lot of new players to the MMORPG side--it is accessible, easy to play and rewarding at the first few levels. This is where WoW truely shines. I have yet to see a game that makes getting in so much fun and so easy.
However, the attitude of those players is like that of the game company: arrogance and blind to the necessity of improvement.
Yes, WoW is a polished game at 1-40 but it becomes a threadmill with no point whatsoever at 40+.
Yes, Blizzard created with Warcraft a successful brand that influenced
the gaming community. But let's not forget, they were heavily
"influenced" by the people who created Warhammer MANY years earlier
(and warhammer has, instead of Warcraft, far superior lore and offers
something NEW to the whole Lord of the Rings rip offs most fantasy
worlds are). They were also "influenced" by command & conquer
(warcraft 1 was nothing but a cheap ripoff, a C&C with orks).
What upsets every long term player of computer games is how
full Blizzard are of themselves. They seem to believe, they created the
holy grail. They did this in terms of cashflow, but they did not CREATE
anything in terms of gameplay. all their products are "finetuned"
ripoffs of other peoples creativity.
They make good products. I wont deny that. with the exceptions of the
Diablo line, I fully enjoyed most Blizzard games (at least to some
extend). But they are no creators. And the people who play the game are
even less. Sometimes it seems the other way around.
What is even more upsetting is, how they piss on their customers. Where
other companies (I simply HAVE to cite CCP there, the EVE creators)
invest a huge amount of money into their games to make them better,
Blizzard gives NOTHING back. Where EVE multiplied their amount of
content and ships (only a few dozend at the beginning, several hundred
now) and extended the game in FOUR FREE vast addons, Blizzard sat on
their hands. Even the infamous SOE made EQ2 much better and extended
the game with (FUN!) PvP and content.
It nearly seems pointless to add my biggest complaint here, as the WoW fans are famous for their learning-immunity,
but I do it anyway:
it is totally and utterly OK to be a n00b. what is NOT OK is, thinking,
just because you can handle a simple-mode MMORPG, you have any right to
start flaming other games. Or behaving like you are something better.
Stop being so defensive about all the flaws of WoW and stop defending
EVERYTHING Blizzard does, starting at the so called "art" of the game,
continuing to the badly implemented PvP, the restriction of high level
items to people who have no life and the incredibly SMALL SIZE of that
crap servers and their grade school network code.
If you customers would be a little bit more critical and if you
ACTUALLY HAD more experience with OTHER games, you would know, that 90%
of what Blizzard does to their customers is simply unbearable.
All the towns on the server I played were empty, except the Ogrimmar. I
never experienced a big group PvP without lag. I couldnt change to
another server because my server had FEWER players than those I wanted
to change to --which WAS the reason I wanted the change in the first
place. Necessary ingredients were so expencive only players with
secondary chars and triple the time I could invest were able to afford
them, the NEED for 3rd party programes that are needed to make the game
playable--the original UI is not even a joke and so on....
I really cannot understand why some games make it possible for everyone
to play with everyone while WoW has these rediculously small
players/server ratio. I wont start talking about EVE (150.000 players
as cusomers on one server, 26.000 at the same time, cluster CAN handle
about double), no, I will mention the VERY old Anarchy Online which
allowed about 5 to 10 times the player amount on their servers than
Blizzard allowes. Of course, Anarchy Online is larger... but wait!...
And that's another point. the world seems too small for a "world".
In EVE some player solved the anniversary riddle CCP had put up and was
rewarded with an ingame statue in the busiest star system (often 400+
players flying around there--no lag any more since hardware upgrade).
EVERY PLAYER could and still can see that statue. The player is famous
now and you can meet him/her ingame.
If a player allliance annects a few star systems, you can read about it
on the official pages of EVE, you can see the alliance space and the
player empires on a daily map. and that counts for ALL players of EVE.
If you fuck up or behave like an idiot, you cannot change servers. If
you achieve sth great, or if your corp / alliance achieves sth, your
achievement affects ALL PLAYERS as it creates player lore.
That player lore is completely absent in WoW. Due to the countless
servers with only a handful of players on them, nothing really counts.
Player lore can never emerge nor would it matter.
THAT is maybe the greatest flaw of WoW as it makes a MMORPG into a slightly bigger version of a simple multi player game.
Blizzard has always been a "fine-tuner". Now they are fine tuning the milking process invented by SOE
Askatan
Comments
Funny, a WoW rant, and without reading it, I just hit CTRL+F and typed in EVE and tada! its mentioned in the post
but after that obvious encounter, I did read the entire post.
and....
don't fool yourself, this is the same rant we have seen over....and over...and over....and over...and over...and over again.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
funny, I thought calling EVE a bad game was more important to you than any original and ACTUAL topic. And guess what? I was right.
I did never say something like EVE is the better game and it would be stupid to say
that. you cannot compare them, they are too different. What you CAN
compare is, how some companies handle similar problems, or how some
games try to deal with gameplay issues.
and a tip among friends: you dont even need the search option! you just need to recognize the poster name! mine tells you, I like to write about EVE. I know that, because I just did, and you posted the same bullshit in a thread that WAS truly and only about EVE. I created that thread.
so if you were not only a troll, but a clever one, you could just go on and copy paste the same BS you usually post in EVE threads and you would be done with your trolling in even less time and go back to your not-having-a-life
but maybe that would be too easy ^^
Ryzom is everything WoW fails to be.
Such as unique, complex, supportive of roleplaying, great community, deep evolving player-affected story, etc...
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In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on August 13, 2008.
funny, I thought calling EVE a bad game was more important to you than any original and ACTUAL topic. And guess what? I was right.
wrong, sorry
I did never say something like EVE is the better game and it would be stupid to say that. you cannot compare them, they are too different. What you CAN compare is, how some companies handle similar problems, or how some games try to deal with gameplay issues.
and a tip among friends: you dont even need the search option! you just need to recognize the poster name! mine tells you, I like to write about EVE. I know that, because I just did, and you posted the same bullshit in a thread that WAS truly and only about EVE. I created that thread.
so if you were not only a troll, but a clever one, you could just go on and copy paste the same BS you usually post in EVE threads and you would be done with your trolling in even less time and go back to your not-having-a-life
but maybe that would be too easy ^^
My point is, that your post is the same rant that we have seen oh so many times. heck, we have a whole section full of it, do we really need another one?
In your perspective EVE is better than WoW. But in my perspective both games suck. And I think both statements are right. There is nothing to justify as it is a personal opinion. But I can try to explain why I see it this way.
In the case of WoW, repetitive behaviour delivered is not fun. Leveling the first character, just as you did, can be entertaining. But I was never able to level a second one. I just couldn't. Running instances could also be a blast the first time, but gets old pretty fast. After 50 times running the same instance you begin to hate going there! The same could be said, to a larger extend, of killing the main bosses as Ragnaros. PvP in WoW is even more sad because of the honor point farming, as I was a fan of the outdoor PvP (and crashing the server with city raids
All in all, I recommend WoW to any player who is not extremely hardcore and new to the mmorpg scenario. But I know they will not play WoW for a long time, specially after they are burned out of the game by the voices of other 40 people (kids) in one of those hyped raids.
Speaking about EVE, as you mention it I will also give my opinion. The game sucks from the very beginning with the long afk trips, the pirate door ganking, corp thieves, and in general an unbalanced risk vs. reward system. You can lose all what your corp has done in a matter of minutes, even if you work carefully against it happening. The crafting is also very bad once you discover that to get a blueprint is some kind of lottery joke.
About the number of players or various server thing, let me clarify you this conception error. It's like saying that Chinese language is more important than English because because it has more speakers. You don't care about the total numbers, but just about the people you speak with.
Also, I'm not impressed by the numbers of people that can be in a same zone. WoW allows a few hundreds (200, 300?) before server crash. EVE is also in the hundreds number. Maybe L2 provides the best server stability at about 1000+ players in same region before unplayable lag. But the difference is not enough as to speak wonders of one over the other.
So there you have, just another rant that says the same but in other way, and I do not need to open a new thread!!
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Like an above poster said, WOW = MacDonalds. Your rant is like complaining that the lettuce on your Big Mac isn't fresh and crispy like in the picture. Blizz / MacD with their 'billions and billions served' doesnt care.
I don''t really know when Humankind will die out but i''m guessing about 6 years before WOW.
-BarCrow
WoW is guilty of being successful.
I liken WoW to a Punk Band that has "sold out".
Take Green Day for example.
Did Green day actually change thier format? Or did the masses just buy into what they were already doing?
There are a certain type of fan (and gamer) that refuses to like what the masses like. Regardless. If WoW were a perfect game, there would always be those self proclaimed individualists who find the game "too mainstream' .
If EvE online ever got huge like World of Warcraft you can bet a significant portion of the original player base would cry "sell out" even if EvE did nothing but become successful doing what it is doing today.
I hate Greenday too. Bullet In A Bible? Bullet In Billy Joe's Fu**ing Head!
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What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Game On!
1.No consequence for acting like a jerk.What i mean is take SWG when it 1st launched.1 character per server imho created a community.It meant that if you acted like a jerk players would brand you for what you were.
2.CoH/CoV easy leveling.It is so easy to level up in most mmo's now noone has dedication to a single character.
3.No real reason to participate in PvP.(points dont mean much to me i want your friggin gold)
4.By having no real reason to PvP it is common knowledge that the horde usually outnumbers alliance typically 2 to 1 on most servers.
5.Instancing for hours on end is for me a game killer.Im not 14 years old with nothing else to do.
6.No exp for killing a player on a PvP server is yet another reason for me to not play WoW.
7.The only rewarding PvP in WoW is in the battlegrounds,yet another instance.
Want to ENJOY an mmo?
Dont start a guild and dont be a leader or volunteer to be coleader or captain.
Just play the damn game:)
you simply cannot compare players/zone and players/solar system. EVE doesnt crash, even if there are 600 people in one solar system. this is just the same BS you hear from people how dont know jack about EVE.
SECONDLY: you REALLY REALLY cannot compare 25k+ players on one server which can still be called "low population" to WoW's 2000 (which means it is RED and overpopulated)...
either you troll, or you have no idea how much more advanced the EVE server cluster is, compared to the WoW stuff.
EVE does NOT CRASH EVER if in one zone are too many players. never happened, never will, and I saw 600+ quite often in ONE zone, which is half the population on a average WoW server. WoW starts lagging even with 20 players at close range. so pls..... dont compare this
and: could anyone stay on topic? this is not about EVE, even if some trolls want it that way.
what is your opinion about Blizzard's way of treating the 5 mil customers? where are the free expansions? why cant the company allow more players on their servers?
I like a good rant, and this one was well written. Also thank you for proof-reading and going the extra mile.
We can rant and rave all we awant about WoW, but the truth of the matter is that it's a great beginner mmo, and that's it purpose if ya ask me. I don't think the community is full of morons, but I will say it's full of non-traditional gamers. People you'd never see on a more complex mmo...yet. WoW has got alot of competition coming after it in the next 2 years and the longer thos new players paly it the more curious they are going to be at what else is out there. I got my gf addicted to WoW, and after getting a couple of toons to endgame she's starting to look around. Heck she even signed up for a beta! This coming from a woman who thought gaming was for uber-geeks and no-lifers. Now that's great! So for all it's flaws it has and still does serve it's purpose as an introduction to an ever expanding genre.
Yeah, WoW is like a gateway drug. Totaaaaly dooood!
The biggest problem in my eyes is what Blizzard did with all their succes
Nothing, apsolutely nothing...
Not only that it taken them almost 6 months to actually finish the game initial features (battlegrounds, honour system) - but also aditional free content is a joke , while expansion promises nothing really NEW
And than apsolutely worst ingame support - Blizzard cares nothing for their players - and they are not afraid to show it to your face.
In one word they created a good game , but they are doing everything to ruin it in the long run
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
Ryzom also doesn't have a tenth of the content that WoW does. Don't get me wrong, I think ryzom is a wonderful game but comparing the two isn't just apples and oranges, it's a tiny shack being compared to the empire state building.
Which by the way is what makes SoR so great and also what gives WoW such a hard time.
Anyways, I'm still amazed that people just don't get WoW, as if it's this all-encomposing completely mysterious bazar phenomena. It's really not, it is actually quite simple. It's a good game, actually, it's a great game. It may not be for you, or for me for that matter but people have a great time playing it.
Those that don't are typicaly the one's that take it way to seriously, they take the game to seriously, the community to seriously and everything entirely to seriously. Oh and I'll be the first to admit to having done the same thing, during my time in WoW I had a good time but I got bored after awhile because being an experienced gamer, I just could not stop myself from taking it seriously.
It is quite simply junk food for the brain, as someone posted earlier, and they make NO apologizes at being just that.
And THANK god for that, I mean seriously, we the MMORPG community have become so damned STUFFY, self rightcheous and snobby we can't see past our own noses now and our clamering for that "Perfect" hardcore game.
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I'm going to defend WoW here becuase well it is WoW.
I'll keep it simple. WoW is the best fantasy mmorpg out NOW.
Now to your post.. All MORPGs have the grind and it a simple reason content can't be produce fast enough.
What with all this that WoW so simple? I guess becuase you never got past 41 you couldn't face challenging players.
and why do people complain they can't do mc? it only takes 15-30min to get to luci or you can do ZG/AQ. You was just to busy grinding 41-42. What takes only acouple hours that you couldn't find a guild that raids only acouple hours a day.
I agree that the customer servers for WoW is crap but don't compare it to a game with only 20k online players to millions online players.
Also, Why are you confuse that TOWNS are not as much populated as CITYs.
WoW is a fan base game of the warcraft series. You play in the world of warcraft. It has it own lore.
I love playing warcraft for it fast pace action that requires quick thinking.
EDIT: BTW im still waiting for a mmorpg out there with better PvP but it a long wait.
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"Any free people have the right to choose how it wants to be govern thats the essence of democracy. It's sad when America has chosen for the stability and consistency of a dictatorship and doing it democratically" -utnow
Quick thinking? Well almost every human brain out there has the capability to think quick, i mean it woudl rather bad if we all had to stand and think for 10 mins before deciding what key to press each time. I tought a 6 year old to play WoW a while back, and let me tell you, he picked it up pretty darn quick and could play well too.
Better PvP? Almost every game out atm has better PvP, for example DAoC which despite all its flaws, has amazing PvP/RvR. Though i do agree on a whole that we need to take PvP to the next level in MMO's.
Originally posted by katriell
Such as unique, complex, supportive of roleplaying, great community, deep evolving player-affected story, etc...
Ryzom is everything WoW fails to be.
agreed, hands down, stfu everyone
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