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Legends of Aria Drops Free to Play Version and Plans Only a 'Play and Earn' Model | MMORPG.com

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Free to play is no longer planned for Legends of Aria, which dropped plans to have both web3 and F2P versions, but will now have a single-shard 'play and earn' model.

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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,485
    They gotta pay people to play this?
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  • DekahnDekahn Member UncommonPosts: 107
    Can we just stop talking about these kinda games period?
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,014
    Dekahn said:
    Can we just stop talking about these kinda games period?

    and it is always crappy games to start with...then they tack that on too to make it even worse.
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  • eoloeeoloe Member RarePosts: 864
    Dekahn said:
    Can we just stop talking about these kinda games period?

    Even, if I am for now against this kind of model, I want to stay informed. I don't want this website to apply a P2E censorship.

    This is a real gaming industry trend. Ignoring it would be IMO worse than learning/discussing it.


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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    eoloe said:
    Dekahn said:
    Can we just stop talking about these kinda games period?

    Even, if I am for now against this kind of model, I want to stay informed. I don't want this website to apply a P2E censorship.

    This is a real gaming industry trend. Ignoring it would be IMO worse than learning/discussing it.



    We haven't given the 'ignoring it' option much of a try; every day there's another article shoving this concept down our throats.

    I'm not convinced that I should be interested in *any* kind of play to earn model.  I don't see why I would want my game to become like a job, in any fashion.



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  • TheDalaiBombaTheDalaiBomba Member EpicPosts: 1,493
    edited July 2022
    Tiller said:
    They gotta pay people to play this?
    What would really be hilarious is a decade from now, if players making money off your game becomes an entitlement not unlike how getting the game for free has started to become one already today.

    "Yea, your game is a lot of fun, but I play games to make money, so unless you're willing to pay me, I'll just play something else that will."

    Oh wait- that's how streamers and "influencers" work already.
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  • slowz2secretslowz2secret Member RarePosts: 449
    Another dead game trying to grab as much as they can with these crypto bros that are so dumb to play these.
    Kyleranstarstorm777DekahnCogohi
  • eoloeeoloe Member RarePosts: 864

    Mendel said:


    eoloe said:


    Dekahn said:

    Can we just stop talking about these kinda games period?



    Even, if I am for now against this kind of model, I want to stay informed. I don't want this website to apply a P2E censorship.

    This is a real gaming industry trend. Ignoring it would be IMO worse than learning/discussing it.





    We haven't given the 'ignoring it' option much of a try; every day there's another article shoving this concept down our throats.

    I'm not convinced that I should be interested in *any* kind of play to earn model.  I don't see why I would want my game to become like a job, in any fashion.






    It is not about "your games". It is about a current gaming industry trend.
    It not "shoved down your throat". It is a presentation of a P2E "game".

    And again, I am not interested to play LoA or any P2E game. But since I don't play them, I am still curious about them and their players.

    Therefore, let's not exaggerate and go a little bit beyond the belly button approach.
  • TokkenTokken Member EpicPosts: 3,649
    I used to play LOA, does this mean I lose all my characters, skills and gold I developed? Then they expect me to start over...... not gonna happen.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited July 2022
    So are people going to suddenly buy pre-leveled characters just because that is now legal and part of the game in a turd no one cares about? I thought a base prerequisite of RMT was a very popular game with servers bursting at the seams and this game sure as shit is not that.

    Cute that they also got gaming sites to say "web3" as if the term was anything other than a trendy meaningless term cryptobros like to throw around so they don't have to use the C word.

    Mmorpg.com is so on the leading edge of gaming trends and leading us all to that metaverse in the sky... amiright?
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Tokken said:
    I used to play LOA, does this mean I lose all my characters, skills and gold I developed? Then they expect me to start over...... not gonna happen.
    Over at massively they covered that. Apparently the old legacy servers are merged into one and it will be in what sounds very much like maintenance mode without actually calling it that.
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  • TheDalaiBombaTheDalaiBomba Member EpicPosts: 1,493
    Iselin said:
    Tokken said:
    I used to play LOA, does this mean I lose all my characters, skills and gold I developed? Then they expect me to start over...... not gonna happen.
    Over at massively they covered that. Apparently the old legacy servers are merged into one and it will be in what sounds very much like maintenance mode without actually calling it that.
    Iirc that server isn't even receiving the updates the P2E servers will receive despite the clients being identical beyond the monetization systems, so it's less than maintenance mode imo.
    Kyleran
  • iicecubeiicecube Member UncommonPosts: 58
    When it dying but in the end it went f2p to milk it another round before it gone.
    That why most people dont play this kind of game when p2p turn into f2p
  • AbimorAbimor Member RarePosts: 919
    I gave this game a pretty big sum when it was called shards it had real potential the leadership is just so I don't even know what to call it they just keep changing.
    Tokken
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,651
    edited July 2022

    eoloe said:


    Dekahn said:

    Can we just stop talking about these kinda games period?



    Even, if I am for now against this kind of model, I want to stay informed. I don't want this website to apply a P2E censorship.

    This is a real gaming industry trend. Ignoring it would be IMO worse than learning/discussing it.





    No. Amplifying it.. giving it a reach far beyond their small fanbase... that's far worse.

    History has shown this time and time again with these things. A fire with no oxygen will die. But one well fed with air and fuel... well it can become all consuming.

    It's isn't CENSORSHIP to not act as the PR for this stuff. Nobody is saying that folks should be banned for talking about it.... but giving it visibility and free promotion? Hell no.
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  • RidrithRidrith Member RarePosts: 859
    edited July 2022
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  • TweFojuTweFoju Member UncommonPosts: 1,236
    So sorry to see what have become of Aria, i used to be their earliest Alpha tester, i was probably the few people to log into their server for the first time ever since it's opening.

    I used to play for a few months, the IP had so much potential, dev had to ruin it

    So What Now?

  • TheDalaiBombaTheDalaiBomba Member EpicPosts: 1,493

    eoloe said:


    Dekahn said:

    Can we just stop talking about these kinda games period?



    Even, if I am for now against this kind of model, I want to stay informed. I don't want this website to apply a P2E censorship.

    This is a real gaming industry trend. Ignoring it would be IMO worse than learning/discussing it.





    No. Amplifying it.. giving it a reach far beyond their small fanbase... that's far worse.

    History has shown this time and time again with these things. A fire with no oxygen will die. But one well fed with air and fuel... well it can become all consuming.

    It's isn't CENSORSHIP to not act as the PR for this stuff. Nobody is saying that folks should be banned for talking about it.... but giving it visibility and free promotion? Hell no.
    I agree, and think it's pretty important to delineate today: an outlet simply choosing not to highlight, platform, or cover something or someone does not amount to censorship.

    Censorship prevents one from the public expression of views or actions.  Not being covered, or honestly even being banned from a specific site, does *not* prevent one from expressing or practicing their views publicly.  As such, it falls short of censorship in the common use sense imo.


    Even if we specify censorship to mean moderation on this specific site, Slap is right that advocating the site staff not highlight something is still not the same as censoring the topic from discussion.
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
     :) 
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    It actually sounds pretty damn cool.

    Pay for a box, in this case you NFT avatar and play. Craft/mint NFT items and toss them on the auction house just as you would in any other mmorpg. 

    Done with the game, sell your avatar, and items. 
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    edited July 2022
    bcbully said:
    It actually sounds pretty damn cool.

    Pay for a box, in this case you NFT avatar and play. Craft/mint NFT items and toss them on the auction house just as you would in any other mmorpg. 

    Done with the game, sell your avatar, and items. 
    Hmm, gamers have been doing that since UO, probably even longer.

    Developers discouraged such for "reasons", most selfish of course, but some for the good of the game.

    This is not the improvement you claim it to be.

    Here's an example.  One challenge games have is to provide enough money sinks to prevent game economies from imploding due to runaway mudflation.

    In EVE (and I imagine many MMORPGS) do you know what one of, if not the biggest money drain is?  Players leaving the game, either temporarily or permanently.

    When I left EVE over 5 years ago I basically took 80B ISK out of circulation.

    Imagine the negative impact had I been able to sell my ISK for crypto on my way out.  Amplify that by a hundredfold if some of the players whose weath actually is in the trillions did the same.

    There are so many other ways selling items of power could destroy the gameplay. Imagine if the in game stations in null sec could be sold for crypto.

    No need to fight a war taking over a star system or region, just offer enough crypto to buy it all outright to seal the deal.

    Incoming attack by rampaging Pandemic Legion forces? No worries, hop on the Crypto market and beef up your alliance fleet with as many dreadnoughts and supers as you can afford to repel the assault.

    PL force, sensing such a move might decide to try and buy up all of the available stock beforehand, pushing the market place prices way up and now everyone is playing an entirely different sort of "meta" game.

    Now, perhaps if such exchanges were limited to only NFT based cosmetics then not nearly such a big deal except in games where cool cosmetics can be crafted and sold by players.

    Except I think that ship sailed long ago when cash shops became the rage, most games these days sell the best cosmetics in their stores leaving player made choices far fewer than in days of yore.

    Even that game you always tout, when you leave that great character you built should be retired, not sold to someone else so they can continue it's legacy without having to do the work it took you to get it there.

    It's one big reason I've never sold any character I've created in any game, it just doesn't seem "right" to do so.

    Others with "different" moral standards don't feel the same of course, but that's OK, Madonna taught me we all live in a "material" world.

    ;)




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  • starstorm777starstorm777 Member UncommonPosts: 114

    iicecube said:

    When it dying but in the end it went f2p to milk it another round before it gone.

    That why most people dont play this kind of game when p2p turn into f2p



    agree, BLESS UNLEASHED doing same damn thing. They should have let it die the first round.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,651

    eoloe said:


    Dekahn said:

    Can we just stop talking about these kinda games period?



    Even, if I am for now against this kind of model, I want to stay informed. I don't want this website to apply a P2E censorship.

    This is a real gaming industry trend. Ignoring it would be IMO worse than learning/discussing it.





    No. Amplifying it.. giving it a reach far beyond their small fanbase... that's far worse.

    History has shown this time and time again with these things. A fire with no oxygen will die. But one well fed with air and fuel... well it can become all consuming.

    It's isn't CENSORSHIP to not act as the PR for this stuff. Nobody is saying that folks should be banned for talking about it.... but giving it visibility and free promotion? Hell no.
    I agree, and think it's pretty important to delineate today: an outlet simply choosing not to highlight, platform, or cover something or someone does not amount to censorship.

    Censorship prevents one from the public expression of views or actions.  Not being covered, or honestly even being banned from a specific site, does *not* prevent one from expressing or practicing their views publicly.  As such, it falls short of censorship in the common use sense imo.


    Even if we specify censorship to mean moderation on this specific site, Slap is right that advocating the site staff not highlight something is still not the same as censoring the topic from discussion.
    I'm not even talking about anything like de-platforming.  If these developers want to come on here and have a chat.. LET THEM.  More speech is good.  

    I just think it's dangerous to act as a PR arm for these companies by basically taking their own releases which go to a tiny audience and shooting them out to a huge audience.  With little to no pushback or questioning.

    But if the staff of this game want to come have a discussion.. heck yeah.  Come on down!


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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    edited July 2022
    Kyleran said:
    bcbully said:
    It actually sounds pretty damn cool.

    Pay for a box, in this case you NFT avatar and play. Craft/mint NFT items and toss them on the auction house just as you would in any other mmorpg. 

    Done with the game, sell your avatar, and items. 
    Hmm, gamers have been doing that since UO, probably even longer.

    Developers discouraged such for "reasons", most selfish of course, but some for the good of the game.

    This is not the improvement you claim it to be.

    Here's an example.  One challenge games have is to provide enough money sinks to prevent game economies from imploding due to runaway mudflation.

    In EVE (and I imagine many MMORPGS) do you know what one of, if not the biggest money drain is?  Players leaving the game, either temporarily or permanently.

    When I left EVE over 5 years ago I basically took 80B ISK out of circulation.

    Imagine the negative impact had I been able to sell my ISK for crypto on my way out.  Amplify that by a hundredfold if some of the players whose weath actually is in the trillions did the same.

    There are so many other ways selling items of power could destroy the gameplay. Imagine if the in game stations in null sec could be sold for crypto.

    No need to fight a war taking over a star system or region, just offer enough crypto to buy it all outright to seal the deal.

    Incoming attack by rampaging Pandemic Legion forces? No worries, hop on the Crypto market and beef up your alliance fleet with as many dreadnoughts and supers as you can afford to repel the assault.

    PL force, sensing such a move might decide to try and buy up all of the available stock beforehand, pushing the market place prices way up and now everyone is playing an entirely different sort of "meta" game.

    Now, perhaps if such exchanges were limited to only NFT based cosmetics then not nearly such a big deal except in games where cool cosmetics can be crafted and sold by players.

    Except I think that ship sailed long ago when cash shops became the rage, most games these days sell the best cosmetics in their stores leaving player made choices far fewer than in days of yore.

    Even that game you always tout, when you leave that great character you built should be retired, not sold to someone else so they can continue it's legacy without having to do the work it took you to get it there.

    It's one big reason I've never sold any character I've created in any game, it just doesn't seem "right" to do so.

    Others with "different" moral standards don't feel the same of course, but that's OK, Madonna taught me we all live in a "material" world.

    ;)




    You isk would have been crypto and you would have sold it for USDC when you were done.

    Isk would have to be more than what it is. It would have to the currency of EVE. There has to be real in game demand from real use. 

    Aaaan would it be a bad thing if someone offered 1,000,000, to the guild owning a sector? Js 
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  • eoloeeoloe Member RarePosts: 864




    eoloe said:




    Dekahn said:


    Can we just stop talking about these kinda games period?





    Even, if I am for now against this kind of model, I want to stay informed. I don't want this website to apply a P2E censorship.

    This is a real gaming industry trend. Ignoring it would be IMO worse than learning/discussing it.








    No. Amplifying it.. giving it a reach far beyond their small fanbase... that's far worse.



    History has shown this time and time again with these things. A fire with no oxygen will die. But one well fed with air and fuel... well it can become all consuming.



    It's isn't CENSORSHIP to not act as the PR for this stuff. Nobody is saying that folks should be banned for talking about it.... but giving it visibility and free promotion? Hell no.



    "History has shown this time and time again with these things. A fire with no oxygen will die. But one well fed with air and fuel... well it can become all consuming."

    I think it is already too late for this to happen... at least in the near future. Millions are already invested and P2E games are pumping out like crazy.

    You are very naive if you think that just stopping talking about it will stop this heavy machine.

    For it to die now, it will need at least a decade if it dies at all.
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